/lit/ - Literature

>>20305374
Any series like the Broken Empire? Either as shamelessly edgy, or with an MC as clever and asshole-ish. FUCK I love Jorg, the evil bastard.

>>20305408
My favorite part about this picture is that right wingers are dying out and mostly grey, kek

Novels for this feel?

>>20305426
We should burn their books too.

>>20305415
>It's another "hooded dude with a sword" cover
Is this the equivalent to "military dude with a gun walking at you" from video game covers?

>>20305447
I barely read Chinese books and I still felt like this was the most understandable image ever. Damn.

>>20305408

>>20305447
If that's the ironic parody opening to a story I'm extremely interested in reading/watching it. Even if it isn't, that's an amazing hook and someone should write a story based on it.
How would it go?
An initially played straight story where the MC is that guy's distant descendant and sets off on an adventure only to gradually realize the whole thing was made up bullshit and none of it actually happened that way?

>>20305499
I do not care nigger the series was based

>>20305592
I was just commenting on a trend. The book may be good or not I don't know.

>>20305499
I want more "military dude with a gun walking at you" books personally. There's not enough good mil sci-fi in this world.

Anyone have any good recommendations for fantasy books where the characters go on an adventure? Lots of traveling. Not in the mood for high stakes action or politics. Just a few lads going on a nice adventure. Basically The Hobbit. I've got Earthsea lined up to read next but need some more recommendations.

Thanks lads

>>20305625
Discworld? Color of Magic was a fun book, though I just found a site with free audiobooks and was listening to it(the Nigel Planer version).

Need some more SFF recommendations that are mainstream enough to be on free audiobook sites.

>>20305447
Holy BASED picked up

>>20305447
Is that cradle manga?

>>20305673
Cradle's plot isn't remotely similar to that

>>20305673
It's a parody of every xianxia/wuxia thing.

>>20305426
Oh yeah we need even more wokism and globohomo shilling in Scifi.

typos and mistakes sure are starting to become more frequent the more i read into book 4...

>>20305549
I'm sorry anon, it's the lead-in to a villain transmigration comedy.

Guy dies in the middle of rageposting about how this webnovel dropped all the promising plots to become harem-of-the-week bullshit with an idiot cast. Guy transmigrates as the villain teacher and is told that if he wants to complain, he can go on adventures to fill in the plotholes and boost everyone's IQ himself. Guy does a really good job at this because for all his shitposting he really enjoyed the novel, thought the novel MC was a badass, enjoys the genre, and fucking loves all the weird monsters and plants.

any books akin to neon genesis evangelion?
humanity fighting different huge monsters in sci-fi setting

>>20305723
Berserker, by Fred Saberhagen.
>Long ago, in a distant part of the galaxy, two alien races met—and fought a war of mutual extinction. The sole legacy of that war was the weapon that ended it: the death machines, the BERSERKERS. Guided by self-aware computers more intelligent than any human, these world-sized battle craft carved a swath of death through the galaxy—until they arrived at the outskirts of the fledgling Empire of Ma

>>20305723
NGE is such a bitch. It makes you realize that this is such a good concept, and then refuses to deliver.

>>20305447
Its not even up to date, Goodkind and Gene Wolfe are dead by now, only the old fuck and the fattie are possible alive on the right half, I don't recognise them

>>20305763

The final 2 movies were a crime against humanity

>>20305686
You are not allowed to say that on /sffg/ anymore. Delete your reply or the tranny janny will do it for you.

>>20305767
meant for
>>20305426

Reject Reverend Insanity trash, embrace wonderful The Wandering Inn

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I tried Warlock of the Magus World yesterday, today I shall attempt to fill the void with yet another progression fantasy, this time 'The Legendary Master’s Wife', I am in for a good time? I especially crave that good zero-to-hero or just concrete, EARNED progression. Cheat abillities that make all the work for the protagonist make me puke.

>>20305770
Tell me about it.
There's just nothing else out there that combines creative bestial alien design with semi-grounded military infrastructure.
Ah fuck. Maybe one day someone else will do it justice.

>>20305774
>I tried Warlock of the Magus World yesterday
How did you find it?

>>20305771
Twitter tranny refugees have taken over here.

>>20305794
Can't say tranny anymore.

>>20305782
Anno lost his love for the franchise. By the end he hated it and wanted to fuck the fanbase as hard as he could. Final scene was the ultimate fuck you to the people who made his career. It's a real shame they ran out of money and couldn't finish it properly the first time around before Anno's ego ruined the franchise

>>20305798
I'll say mentally challenged gender mutant now.

>>20305805
seems like appropriate replacent for tranny. Do you have any suggestions for pozzed and coomer?

>>20305813
Brainwashed and Demonically Possesed

jolenta wanted to fucc

>>20305774
The Beginning After the End kinda has this, but it doesn't really happen until like chapter 250 where he gets his ass kicked, loses everything, and permanently loses the ability to use mana

>>20305783
>How did you find it?
You mean, where did I download it or whether I liked it?
If first, then https://z-lib.org/ has a lot stuff. These days if the book isn't on zlib, I don't even bother with looking at other places.

If you mean whether I liked it, then no, it's trashy. OP protagonist that instantly gets relatively OP to his circumstances, out-plays everyone around him with his muh superiority, everyone is in awe of him, unless of course he 'hides his strength.' Ugh, the worst type of novel, I want Progression to be EARNED. This is cheap and unfulfilling as fuck.

>>20305794
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>>20305819
Janny, please do your job and and take out the trash.

For those who've finished the Wizard Knight can I pick your brain about the Most Low God scene? I got the reference to Dante's inferno but I feel like I missed a lot. Why did Able go down there in the first place? Why did satan turn tail and run like a bitch? What caused the earthquakes or avalanche or whatever?

>>20305856
I'm pretty sure ZLib and Libgen have like 99% overlap in terms of ebooks, but Libgen doesn't restrict your number of downloads via IP. ZLib is nice thanks to thumbnails and ease of downloads though

>>20305856
>mass replying faggot posting OFF-TOPIC garbage
GENTLEMEN...you know what to do.

>>20305856
>muh stakes
Oh fuck off. You have so much of this already, instant OP is a breath of fresh air.

>>20305856
Me on the left

What are some of the most entertaining books you've ever read

>>20305935
Discword series by Terry Pratchet

>>20305374
>tfw headmate gf gives you a handjob while you are trapped in the prison hole of a larp wizard village
Why didn't Thecla fuck men, by the way?

>>20305774
Okay, fuck this, I read 12 chapters of 'The Legendary Master’s Wife'and I am losing brain cells trying to read this, you will tell me that this is too soon to drop it, but all signs point towards it being trash. Massive infodumps, weird dialogues, transmigrator shit. I don't even care if it has some good ideas or characterization, I'm not a native english speaker but the translation is simply unbearable, my brain refuses to acknowledge what I read as story, it's borderline incoherent. And to think it was reasnlated by a PERSON, while there are people who read machine trasnlations, what kind of degenerates are they?

Fuck this, I just can't, I am dropping LMS and moving to I Shall Seal The Heavens. I think I will scratch every fan translated work off my reading list if ISSTH is also trash, I don't need to endure this. I can read thousands of good books that don't hurt me as I read them. Well, time will tell.

>>20306091
Why don't you reread LOTR?
Stop reading webnovel trash

>>20306091
just read LotM

>>20305935
Christopher Moore’s Bloodsucking Fiends. Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove, Lamb, and A Dirty Job were good too.

>>20306091
So this is literary masochism.

>>20305374
what is the go to sanderson to see if i like him

Anyone listened to The Wandering Inn audiobooks? Is the narrator any good or no?

>>20305717
Interesting concept
Is that just a concept or is there an actual novel about that?

>>20306174
Mistborne is his most popular series. Stormlight Archives is probably his most ambitious. Warbreaker is a decent one off if you don't want to try a series first.

>>20305374
It would've been better if I had come across this at the beginning of the year. The below source is Cordasco's attempt at cataloguing all SFF translated into English. It has quite a lot from all over the world. This month is a focus on Asian works. For the purpose of her list, and this month, it only includes traditionally published works, as far as I can tell, and excludes light novels. Her list is for speculative fiction, but even so, some of them are of questionable inclusion.

Source:
https://www.sfintranslation.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RyMOXmi1Zd4yvuTVHQcw5gka8YLZ1In42GJn6Rhh12E/edit#gid=67096027

Credit: Rachel Cordasco

CHINESE WEEK
NOVEL
Baoshu The Redemption of Time
Can Xue The Last Lover
Can Xue Frontier
Can Xue Love in the New Millennium
Chen Qiufan Waste Tide
Chi Ta-wei The Membranes
Dung, Kai-cheung Atlas: The Archaeology of an Imaginary City
Hao, Jingfang Vagabonds
Koonchung, Chan The Fat Years
Lei, Xu Search for the Buried Bomber
Liu, Cixin The Three-Body Problem (Book 1)
Liu, Cixin The Dark Forest (Book 2)
Liu, Cixin Death's End (Book 3)
Liu, Cixin Ball Lightning
Liu, Cixin Supernova Era
Ma, Jian China Dream
Qi, Tang To the Sky Kingdom
She, Lao Cat Country
Su, Wei The Invisible Valley
Tse, Dorothy Snow and Shadow
Wang, Jinkang Pathological
Wang, Lixiong China Tidal Wave
Wu, Ming-Yi The Man with the Compound Eyes
Yan Ge Strange Beasts of China
Yan, Lianke The Day the Sun Died
Yong, Jin The Book and the Sword
Yong, Jin A Hero Born (The Condor Heroes, Book 1)
Yong, Jin A Bond Undone (The Condor Heroes, Book 2)
Yong, Jin A Snake Lies Waiting (The Condor Heroes, Book 3)
Yong, Jin A Heart Divided (The Condor Heroes, Book 4)

ANTHOLOGY
Broken Stars: Contemporary Chinese Science Fiction in Translation
Invisible Planets: Contemporary Chinese Science Fiction in Translation
Sinopticon
New Voices in Chinese Science Fiction
Touchable Unreality
The Reincarnated Giant: An Anthology of Twenty-First-Century Chinese Science Fiction
The Way Spring Arrives and Other Stories: A Collection of Chinese Science Fiction and Fantasy in Translation
That We May Live: Speculative Chinese Fiction

COLLECTION
Can Xue I Live in the Slums
Fan, Huang Zero and Other Fictions
Han, Song A Primer to Han Song
Ji Yun The Shadow Book of Ji Yun: The Chinese Classic of Weird True Tales, Horror Stories, and Occult Knowledge
Liu, Cixin The Wandering Earth
Liu, Cixin To Hold Up the Sky
Oobmab The Flock of Ba-Hui and Other Stories
Xia Jia A Summer Beyond Your Reach

>>20306091
>'The Legendary Master’s Wife'
The title itself is enough to tell you it's garbage.

>>20306091
Bro you are reading webnovels. What the fuck.

>>20306194
It's an actual completed webnovel, but transmigrator guy's efforts to be nice to the novel MC accidentally turn the novel MC gay, I'm sorry again anon.

>>20306283
>implying webnovels aren't the avant garde medium that will bring about the next wave of sff
Guess you aren't as big a fan of speculative fiction as the rest of us. /sffg/ is a webnovel general now.

>>20306185
>Anyone listened to The Wandering Inn audiobooks? Is the narrator any good or no?
I've heard a lot of good opinions, and the voice actor has done dozens of audiobooks for other prominent series.

>>20305686
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>>20305819
all the same schizo

>>20306337
Ok tranny

how do I into C.S. Lewis

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>>20306383
screwtape letters

>>20306383
Narnia.

>>20305856
>I want Progression to be EARNED.

THANK you. Honestly, I don't understand why there's so many stories out there where it's any different. I want to sit on my lazy ass and read about somebody else's sweat blood and tears, not about how they power up from this one neat trick that personal trainers don't want you to know about!

There's still enough out there that get it right, thankfully, like The Whispering Crystals series, which I'm reading now. Would recommend!

>>20305794
It's sad. Last thread, people were talking about how there is actual discussion now. But all these refugees discuss is shitty ass webnovels.

>>20306605
Then discuss the books you want to discuss you whiny bitch.

>>20306618
I do faggot. And it gets lost in all the "discussion" of webnovel trash.

>>20306634
Tough titties then, no need to shit up the general.

>>20306648
Did you miss my initial post? That was my entire point. You fags are already doing that with this webnovel garbage.

>>20306383
space trilogy is great as well.

>>20306656
>wah wah wah
Sounds like the only one with a problem is (You). Here's a thought, go back to r/Fantasy or r/Bakker or wherever you came from.

>>20306689
>some anons are complaining about how these threads have become pozzed
>a different anon recommends those complaining going back to r*ddit
Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

>>20305540
I do like that these authors could have this disagreement and still work with one another.

>>20306853
seethe

>>20306590
I tried reading Whispering Crystals, but I have trouble reading first-person present tense stuff for whatever reason. First-person past tense, whatever, it's fine, but present tense always feels off.

>>20305540
In terms of how well-known they are today, anti-war btfos pro-war just with Asimov, Heinlein, and Roddenberry right?

>>20306911
Heinlein is on the pro-war side. But the anti-war certainly has the more famous authors.

HOLY SHIT I WAS RIGHT. Damn dude, you are a pathetic little bitch. Seek help
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>>20306353

>>20305625
>I was a sword when I reincarnated
its a webnovel so its shit tho

>>20305728
These books sound cooler than they actually were.
>berserkers powered by unpredictable nuclear decay
>berserker does something retarded
>i was being random

>>20306174
an iq test

>>20306946
Doubtful. The jannie is just hilariously biased and will delete anything that is anti-trans, fag, or woman.

>>20306974
tranny jannies tranny jannies everywhere

>>20306974
You're not fooling anybody.

>>20306990
Ok schizo.

>>20305867
I think you're overthinking it.
>why did he go down there
Wolfe wanted him to.
>why did he run
Able is already like a god to the aelf, who are just one world below him. The only reason people fear aelf is because they don't know how to call them as a god would. Able figured that out, so imagine what he could do to something three worlds below him.
>what caused the quakes
Pretty sure that was just indicative of the whole "most high = most low" illusion crumbling.

>>20307029
Why is this shit called 'Fantasy Web Novel' when it's all Chinese shit. There are numerous interesting web novels that actually were written in english, not poorly translated by starving students who did it to procrastinate from studying.

>>20307117
Probably the samefag who made some of the other shitty charts.

>>20307029
Judging from the mangos Ascendancy of a Bookworm is indeed amazing, I'm a Spider is good and Kuma Kuma Bear is bad. So that fits the placements. Reincarnated as a Sword's manga is trash aswell tho, is the web novel better or the ranking questionable?

>>20305085
Kevin J Anderson and Rebecca Moesta.

I know /sffg/ hates KJA for ruining Dune, but Young Jedi Knights is peak YA.

So when does the Wandering Inn get good? I'm on volume 2 chapter 4 and it's agressively mid.

>>20307117
Why would I read english webnovels instead of english literature?

>>20305625
>recommendations for fantasy books where the characters go on an adventure
Chase the Morning by Michael Scott Rohan might be right up your alley. Or the Deathstalker series by Simon Green, which is a really wild mix between baroque novel, scifi and fantasy.

>>20307274
Why read?

>>20305723
The Titan, Wizard Demon trilogy by John Varley.

>>20307117
because there aren't any good english webnovels, and no your minimum word count word salad doesn't count

>>20305935
The Flying Sorcerers by David Gerrold and Larry Niven has got to be one of the funniest scifi books ever written.

>>20307253
>So when does the Wandering Inn get good? I'm on volume 2 chapter 4 and it's agressively mid.
Volume 2 and three are generally considered the lower points, but are still good, especially stuff like Esthelm arc. I recommend you to finish at least volume 3 before deciding whether to continue, it only gets better, massively better.

>>20305374
I Don't understand this wording. Is it supposed to not make any sense?

>>20305426
You tell em, goy!

>>20307253
Never.
You fell for a meme.

Joss Whedon via Cassandra Clare’s HP fanfic ruined a generation of fantasy writers and now everything needs to be ironic and have quips every five seconds. Also Shrek.

>>20307327
>he can't grok the wording

>>20307327
What particularly is troubling you? The entire joke seems to be that Smith thinks he's food, and so somebody saying "feel like breakfast", as in, does he want breakfast, confuses him because why ask food if it feels like food, or something to that effect.

>>20305723
Iron Widow, though it’s (1) shit and (2) plagiarized from Darling in the Franxx.

/m/ will have better answers.

>>20307401
I unironically read "feel like breakfast" as "do you want some breakfast" and missed out on the literal interpretation of the sentence which is why I was confused

I suppose that only goes to show how funny language can be

>>20307310
It never gets good, it however remains consistently decent.

>>20305856
I wish I could see the posts you are kvetching about. In general I think there is too much moderation, which leads to faggots expecting and demanding more of it and that only shits up the site for the real users. Ideally nothing that wasn't illegal would be removed, it would just be hidden in such a way that regular users could still see it if they wanted.

https://www.4channel.org/feedback

To the anon who was shilling for this a while back, you failed to mention how the protagonist, who is a first person narrator of his own story, goes into a several page digression on how he studied sex magic for several years as part of his academy training, which included having sex with his smoking hot research partner, a rich daughter of an old imperial family that wasn't interested in a relationship just sex for research purposes.

He does not go into any mechanical detail about how sex magic works and only talks vaguely about how much sex he was having on a daily basis, and how his association with her research was how he established himself as magical researcher in good standing. Sex magic was never mentioned before this, or even hinted to exist, at any point. So the protagonist's experience, even expertise at it, is pretty much as irrelevant as if he revealed a talent for limericks and studying under a renowned limerick master for years. It's only brought up at all because he needed to meet with his former research partner. Not for sex magic reasons, though. He simply needed somebody rich and influential to get the word out to help him, and she was the only wealthy, influential person he knew that would give him the time of day. And there was no implication sex magic was going to be relevant at all in the story after this.

To sum up: you could remove all references to sex magic from this book and lose nothing. It is something he inserted into the story as background flavor, without any connection to the plot or existing characters, and which does not in any way change our understanding of events or people we've seen so far. In fact it does not even serve to characterize the protagonist as a lusty, virile young man since he already got that across in a previous flashback narration where he talked about how he chased tail all the time as a baker's son, and was successful more often than not.

So I just wanted to say: thanks for recommending me this story, it's really fun and I hope it gets even saucier. Stay based.

>>20307441
Yeah, that's the entire joke is this guy is misinterpreting an incredibly normal idiom as its literal meaning.

>>20307464
>it would just be hidden in such a way that regular users could still see it if they wanted.
That's basically what deleting is. If you use 4chan X you can still see deleted posts as hyperlinks to the archive. Deleting a post doesn't do anything on its own, it has to also be deleted from the archives for it to be really erased, and archives only do that for illegal material.

What are some fantasy/adventure stories where the protagonist gets new equipment relatively often? Not chinkshit, of course, I'm very familiar with their love of giving their protags new goodies.

>>20307543
Unironically Percy Jackson and Harry Potter.

>>20307483
It peeks at book one. I dropped the series at book 3 / 4.

>>20305415
I haven't found anything quite as moral questionable, but try the blade itself for nine fingers

Any new sci fi or fantasy books about romance?
Still on the fucking hunt for that Male protagonist, female vampire romance fantasy book.

>>20307639
>Male protagonist, female vampire romance fantasy
a fellow man of culture I see. unfortunately, all I've found so far in that vein (lol) is self-published smut and none of it was very good

>>20306974
dude it was all the same poster. cope

>>20307671
as I feared...
I hate how the female market has a death grip on the vampire subgenre

>>20307639
> Still on the fucking hunt for that Male protagonist, female vampire romance fantasy book.

Christopher Moore’s Bloodsucking Fiends, although the female vampire is newly turned and the male and female leads have equal protagonist time. Also it takes place in 90s San Francisco.

>>20307639
>Male protagonist, female vampire romance
Life and Death: Twilight Reimagined?

>>20307693
Twilight was what ignited the interest, but Life and Death was what set it in stone.
Too bad there's only that, it got me so bad I even bothered reading some of the fan fictions written for it that finishes the rest of the series.

>>20307639
>Still on the fucking hunt for that Male protagonist, female vampire romance fantasy book.
>>20307671

>>20307483
>To sum up: you could remove all references to sex magic from this book and lose nothing
It was used to build character background and some backstory in a creative sort of way, it was useful. One of many reasons I liked Spellmonger is because eventhough there is sex in story it was kept to a minimum and used at right time and in a right way.

>So I just wanted to say: thanks for recommending me this story, it's really fun and I hope it gets even saucier.
>Stay based.
Thanks, I will. Just so you know I also shill Reverend Insanity ;)

>>20307639
In Her Name by Michael R Hicks.
You are welcome, coomer.

Have any of you degenerates read Gormenghast?

>>20307769
This one?
Alien and Human romances are always so fun.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/62231-in-her-name

>>20307741
I liked spellmonger but it's gotten less good for me as the endless series has progressed.

Kinda like inuyasha, it just went on too long and lost connection with what made it fun.

Now theres not only kingdom politics, and elf politics but the ocean critters, the people on the other side of the planet and then also some galactic politics.... But instead of dealing with any of this we are going to spend a book an a half escorting a tribe of perpetual boyscouts... Give me a break.

>>20307483
Are we so low that we recommend coomer shit now

>>20307817
Yes.
Coomers make the world turn.

>>20307817
>Sex exists, despite never being shown or gone into detail on, so it's coomer

Why do I enjoy reading webnovels so much more than actual novels?

>>20307817
For a few weeks it was going fine. Should have bullied webnovel consoomers more, now this place is flooded with chinkshit and coomers.

>>20307826
Actual Novels are book authors write for themselves, it's a one off thing.
Webnovels are books that need continued support to survive, so must constantly spam that wish fulfillment button in your brain to keep you hooked.
also less restrained since it's not going through a publishing I guess.

>>20307826
Self insert is a hell of a drug
God I wish I was Klein

>>20307791
No. This one https://authormichaelhicks.com/series/in-her-name/

>>20307801
It has it's lows and highs but it really goes downhill when Minalans wife starts getting involved in various matters. She should have been kept as unimportant supporting character

>>20307483
>To sum up: you could remove all references to sex magic from this book and lose nothing.
Ah so this is like a book written by Rothfuss

>The Wandering Inn Book 2
>55h 19m remaining

>>20307986
Just reread rings bro

>>20307986
>touching the gobo slut book 2 after how book one went

>>20307817
>now
Need I remind you about the so-called acclaimed author known as James Joyce?

>>20307483
>He does not go into any mechanical detail about how sex magic works and only talks vaguely about how much sex he was having on a daily basis, and how his association with her research was how he established himself as magical researcher in good standing. Sex magic was never mentioned before this, or even hinted to exist, at any point. So the protagonist's experience, even expertise at it, is pretty much as irrelevant as if he revealed a talent for limericks and studying under a renowned limerick master for years.
So you know how I feel when Arcane Ascension's main character was suddenly made gay

>>20308002
>acclaimed
By pseuds only.

>>20308009
>Arcane Ascension's main character was suddenly made gay
what the fuck
I dropped this shitshow on book 1 but man

>>20308009
>made gay
He's never stated to not be into guys, so he's not "made" gay. And he's still never actually sexually attracted to people at all. He likes women romantically too.

>>20307986
Your not listening at 3x speed?

>>20306314
I think that's true and to the good, but when people engage with webnovels they must learn to do so in a webnovel way. That guy was coming at it pretty high.

Anyone here read Brom? I loved this one.

>>20308043
Stop trying to defend this shit in every thread.
It's surprise gay shit, and we readers don't like it.

>>20306213
It gets worse with the sequel, The Legendary Master's Wife's Boyfriend

>>20308036
Why even read something like that unless your gay yourself?

>>20308227
>It gets worse with the sequel, The Legendary Master's Wife's Son's Boyfriend
Ftfy

After months, MONTHS, I'm finally only 400 pages away from finishing the Malazan series, and good fucking riddance. I've never read something so incoherent and pointless. At least it's not as intentionally subversive as GRRM crap, but whichever anon recommended it to me, I hope you bite the inside of your lip the next time you're chewing and it hurts really bad.

>>20308242
This is the correct reaction to reading Malazan.

>>20308242
yeah I had the same reaction, it's far too convoluted. Book 2 with Coltaine and his army in the desert was good though, apart from that I don't think I enjoyed much of Malazan. Karsa's barbarian adventures were kind of fun at the start but that sort of devolved quickly

I think the author also intentionally didn't wrap up some plot points so he could sell some spin off series

>>20307826
There's so much less of a barrier to entry. You can scroll and click on next chapter for an instant boost in engagement. This is more convenient and engaging than either paperbacks or pdfs.

>>20305828
Severian pls go

>>20308242
Why the fuck would you keep reading it?

>>20308242
Isn't malazan like 10m words? Why would you read it if you don't like it

>>20305408
Feels kinda dishonest to consider Tokien/Wolfe/Lewis as 'right wing' just for being Christian. All three of them tended to avoid politics and generally held up christian values like compassion humility and honesty that you can fit in both a left or rightwing worldview.

My favorite part of Malazan was what's his face stabbing the Crippled God as he's ascending or whatever and another character asks him why he did that or what's going on in general and what's his face is all, "lol 2deep4u." Some truly stellar writing.

Does anyone else think Vandermeer’s annihilation trilogy stinks in comparison to City of Saints and Madmen?

>>20308374
>>20308380
Call it the completionist's curse. I also asked for the last few books for Christmas gifts, so I already had the whole series on my shelf and figured I may as well persevere and finish it off.

>>20308036
It happened in book 1. But apart from that, Mrs Lincoln, I thought it wasn't too bad.

>>20308043
Getting excited and saying yes when a man asks you to be his date to the ball is gay. If you are a man, that is.

>>20308511
I read it more as "this guy barely knows what he's into and is just confused when asked to prom but says sure because he's not opposed to it". The end result seems to be an asexual character whose romantic interests aren't really limited by gender.

>>20308432
Wolfe was a right wing libertarian who even made political donations, but a lot of the other writers on the "right wing" side are pure cope. Rightoids are in utter denial that they're just nostalgic for the libruls of yesteryear, because their own breed so rarely brings forth great artists. Speculative fiction has always been inherently left leaning. After all it attracts the sort of people who like to dream up better alternatives to our own world. That's the bread and butter of left wing thought.

>>20308542
I read it as Glorious Motherland has exceeded quota at the tractor factory again, Natasha.

>>20308545
>Wolfe was a right wing libertarian who even made political donations, but a lot of the other writers on the "right wing" side are pure cope. Rightoids are in utter denial that they're just nostalgic for the libruls of yesteryear, because their own breed so rarely brings forth great artists. Speculative fiction has always been inherently left leaning. After all it attracts the sort of people who like to dream up better alternatives to our own world. That's the bread and butter of left wing thought.

>number 1 bestseller on Amazon for sword & sorcery is Berserk
>zero literary agents interested in Berserk-like stories
>zero markets interested in Berserk-like stories

is the western publishing industry this fucking retarded?

>>20308576
People who enjoy Berserk-like stories don't read novels. They play Elden Ring. Only women still read. That's why almost the entire publishing market is geared towards their interests.

>>20308576
I haven't read it. Is it ideologically correct? Are there surprise gays?

>>20308576
Blacktongue Thief was a pretty decent, new "sword and sorcery" book. The world building is especially nice, with how it convincingly portrays goblins as a legitimate threat to humanity.

>>20308599
Yes

>>20308599
It was inspired in part by a classic BL manga.

>>20308242
>At least it's not as intentionally subversive as GRRM crap
You sound like you're sub-90 IQ

>>20308599
there's gays and they're all baddies

>>20307741
>It was used to build character background and some backstory in a creative sort of way, it was useful.
I disagree, as elaborated on in that post actually. It didn't really add anything essential to his character because his earlier flashbacks and his horndogging after Alya sort of established him as a skirt-chaser. But it's not as if I'm unhappy about it, just thought I'd bury the lede on that post to have some fun.

does alt-history count?

>>20308716
go ahead
One of these days I'm going to remake this general into the genre fiction general, or /gfg/ for short.

>>20308716
Only if its either fantasy or science fiction.

>>20308728
that would be cool

>>20308576
>Berserk-like stories
Edgy shit for teenagers and BL rape shit for the mentally deranged?

no god series when

>>20308817
non-god series NOW!

>>20308592
>Only women still read. That's why almost the entire publishing market is geared towards their interests.
That's true and it is very sad. I'm yet to find a fantasy series that portraits male friendship as good as Rings did, without going into gayshit love or bullshit like this.

Thoughts on the bear and the maiden fair?

>>20308242
Tavore is a plot device and you will not get an ending.

>>20308839
That you should stop repeating the same fucking question in every thread.

How did it take so many thousands of years to abandon the bullshit that was the Hero's Journey for the superior isekai?

>>20308592
>That's why almost the entire publishing market is geared towards their interests.
No, it's because they won't get EGS by pandering to males. Guys can't beat the ideologue with a money printer.

>>20305856

>>20308855
>the superior isekai
Chinks are really desperate today aren't they

>>20308855
>isekai
progression fantasy*

>>20308873
While Heroes usually follow the main goal of wanting to protect the status quo (e.g. "drive out the evil demons and bring peace to the land.") they are usually characterized by their humanity despite their power. They guard the current order of the world, aside from maybe some "malicious" elements, which however, more often than not, conveniently bother and provoke the hero of their own accord instead of having the hero move actively against them and their deeds.

The usurpers are very different, however. At the moment of truth, they won't reaffirm their humanity, but rather make the choice to abandon it, but at the same time maintain a certain range of personal principles and strictly uphold those. Then they will pursue power in all shapes and forms by any means possible as long as it doesn't contradict his key principles, all while actively reshaping the world and destroy the status quo themselves (sometimes this is done subconsciously or with the usurper even outright denying the notion both in speech and even first-person narration, yet still doing it anyway). It eventually leads to apotheosis and often continues all the way to surpassing the "origin", e.g. the creation god(s) or such, which makes the usurpation complete.

It contrasts and challenges the usual notion to keep the concept of humanity sacred, or the kind of "this is beyond us and would only lead to disaster to involve ourselves in" mindset.
Chink cultivation often follows something along these lines as well, though it's usually done with the "Abyss" within like the first 50 or so chapters and then spends 2000+ chapters with the final 2 points.

>>20308242

>>20305085
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21748.Ilona_Andrews

I have not read any of their books since they seem to be aimed toward the female demographic.

>>20308964
They look cute, its very cool they write together.

>>20308964
cute

>>20308964
>The vampire stared at me, his mouth slack as Ghastek assessed his options. I took a couple of forms from my desk, put them into the vamp's mouth, and pulled them up by their edges.
"What are you doing?" Ghastek asked.
"My hole puncher broke."
"You have no respect for the undead.”

>>20307837
You can't say coomers. It is another banned word on /sffg

>>20308592
>Only women still read. That's why almost the entire publishing market is geared towards their interests.

Uroboros, leftists snowflakes monopolized key positions in the publishing industry publishing only leftist shit. I don't read that shit so they don't see me as a market segment they can go after.

Hell about 70% of what I read is foreign translations these days.

I'm willing to bet had the Witcher series been authored by an American our publishing industry would have torpedoed it in it's infancy.

Walder Frey did nothing wrong

>>20309185
Are you just going to keep repeating this shit every thread now?

>>20309185
Robb Stark did a few things wrong.

>>20309191
Cry about it

>>20308876
So usurpers are based chads and HERoes just some weak feminine chuds. Though to be fair the concept of usurper is good but execution is always lacking.

The situation with chink (web) novels xanxia/wuxia is actually not even worth discussing. I have recently discovered chinese wuxia live action tv shows and frankly they are horrible and take the soulless meme to a completely new level. Anything produced in china today has to pass strict commie filter to be released(or be banned), that completely kills any kind individuality and makes it all the same with that 80s comunist cinema feel.

>>20309191
Pretty sure that's the same spammer autist. It's his MO anyway, just copy/pasting posts over and over again in order to smother actual discussion.

>>20309226
>Though to be fair the concept of usurper is good but execution is always lacking.
I'll cut it some slack as a novel innovation relative to the tired structure it's compared against. Let's see how it evolves.

>>20308855
>>20305447

>>20309260
How's Campbell's shriveled cock taste?

>>20257263
>>20257320

ok. I finished Words of Radiance. The second book of the Stormlight Archives series. And I actually liked it. Surprisingly.

I think the second book justifies its length, as opposed to the first. There's more major events that occur throughout the book. But I think what helps the second book out a lot, is that book 1 left so many plot threads open ended, that book 2 was able to pay them all off. Book 2 was revelation after revelation. Sanderson didn't have time to bloviate like he usually does, because there were too many events he had to touch on.

I have to admit that the stupid flying anime battle at the end got me excited.

The only thing I'm really disappointed about: is that Sanderson didn't commit to hacking Kaladin's arm off. As soon as that happened, I was shocked. Because I didn't think Sanderson had the balls to seriously maim a character who relies on both of his hands. But then only a couple of paragraphs later, he immediately has his arm back. That was disappointing. Because as I was trying to understand how Kaladin might go on with 1 arm, the idea came to me: Stormlight is temporary. So perhaps Kaladin needs storm light to power the arm. I mean, the arm was still there, it was just turned into stone. So maybe it acts like dead weight normally. But then he breathes in stormlight, and his arm returns to life temporarily. It would make for an interesting weakness, while still not crippling him entirely. Hell, maybe he could use his dead arms as a means to deflect attacks that is too risky for his good arm.

All that went through my head in a minute, just before reading that he restores his arm with zero consequences. What a let down.

>>20307543
I have trouble remembering if it’s relatively often but Severian from Book of the New Sun gets some cool gear every once and awhile.

>>20305374
Is The Inverted World by Priest any good? And what about other books by him?

How the FUCK do I figure out what to read
I have read nothing but Vance and Wolfe for the last year because I don't know any other authors who can please me

>>20307543
Cugel's saga

>>20309413
I just read masturbatory literary trash these days.

>>20309413
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Oecumene
I found this trilogy surprisingly good if a little quirky.

>>20307639
Pic related isn't ABOUT romance, but the two MCs you see on the cover are in love.

>>20309413
Do what I do, and pester /sffg/ for recommendations.

>>20309413
Sounds like you don't really enjoy fantasy, you just enjoy these two particular authors.

>>20309281
WoR is the peak of Stormlight Archive so far, the next two books don't live up to its hype moments or its continuous developments of multiple story arcs. Kaladin in particular is a letdown in books 3 and 4, considering how great he was in books 1 and 2.

>>20309542
No fantasy and sci fi is all I read, I just don't know who's good and who's shit, and the majority of authors are shit

>>20309413
>How the FUCK do I figure out what to read
By reading them, how is this a hard concept to understand?

>>20309413
Lower your standards, try new shit/subgeneres, don't look at shit like goodreads or other ratings sites and just jump into a story.

>>20309572
>and the majority of authors are shit
So, in other words, you don't really like fantasy. You just like those two authors, who happen to write fantasy. Exactly like I said. Objectively, you do not like most fantasy, and you're unhappy because you keep trying to read it despite clearly not enjoying fantasy as a genre.

>>20309591
maybe instead of being a couch psychology sherlock holmes faggot you could recommend him some books

>>20309603
Why? He doesn’t like fantasy.

>>20309413
>>20309572
Read Dragon ball by Akira Toriyama, if you don't like that, then you're truly lost.

>>20309591
I read a ton of fantasy, but I agree most authors are shit. Cope.

>>20309572
Try some of the other older more classical authors. Zelazny, Howard, Moorcock, etc...

>>20309591
Bruh

>>20309281
Good luck with Oathbringer, TWoK and WoR were the most enjoyable books I've read in years but I still couldn't power through it. Just had this persistant feeling I wasn't "getting it". Maybe I'll come back after reading other Cosmere shit.

>>20309413
For more Vancian style stories read Schuyler Hernstrom.
For more Wolfian style stories read John C. Wright.
There's also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Quest_for_Simbilis

>TFW no cute and smug dragon god daughter
Why Live?

>>20309614
You don't like fantasy, then. Fantasy doesn't exist in abstract, it is a body of work that exists in the real world. And you hate most of it, ergo you hate fantasy.

>>20309603
There is no psychology at work here, it's a really simple observation that doesn't require any kind of insight. If you claim to hate most of a genre's published works then you clearly don't enjoy reading the genre.

>>20309782
Nope. You are completely wrong here. Fantasy is not a "body of work" rather it does exist as an abstract.
Perhaps you could argue that "I do not like fantasy books", but that is very different from saying "I do not like fantasy".

>>20306383
Start with Tolkien's poem Mythopoeia, then move onto Narnia or the Space Trilogy.

>>20305625
>>20305677
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>>20306289
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>>20309572

Careful, according to our resident tranny only images should pertain to literature, and fan generated pictures don't count for some incomprehensible reason. The tranny will give you a 3 day ban from all boards for posting your pictures. Because you see 4chan is not really an image board when trannies are involved.

>>20309837
>muh pozzed janny boogeyman

>>20309858
Don’t reply to him, that autistic spammer is just seething that his shit is getting deleted and ban because of it.

>>20309837
Don't post about chinkshit or webshit and I won't report your posts.

>>20309784
never reply to me with 80IQ logic again

>>20309865
Really, you report wandering inn because it is a we novel and every cultivation series because it's "chink shit"? I think you are the tranny larping as an anon.

Any other stories where the protagonist gets killed halfway through?

>>20309879
Getting killed is commonplace. Meet the death god or whatever, get respawned or sent to another plane of existence etc. There are hundreds of stories where the MC get's killed. Some he gets killed routinely.

Is Malazan Book of the Fallen worth reading? All I've heard about it is that it's long, dark, dense and complex. However I'm also aware that it's 10 books so I'm just wondering for those who finished the series, if it was worth reading to the end, how the series olds up compared to other well known fantasy works

>>20309914
No. It's awful.

Requesting loli fantasy recommendations.

>>20309914
It's the final boss of my TBR list. I keep adding shit and trying to find shit to read to avoid starting Gardens of the Moon lol

>>20309918
No, now fuck off already.

>>20309916
>Malazan
Do you mind elaborating (Without spoilers)?

>>20309914
>Is Malazan Book of the Fallen worth reading?
Read it and find out, anon.

>>20305549
Just read Absalom Absalom

>>20309933
It really feels like the writer is making everything up as he goes along (which he very could have been). It's needlessly long and bloated; even the writer admitted this. Things seem to happen just to happen, characters that weren't important at all suddenly become important out of nowhere, characters you thought would become important later on don't. The humor is especially bad. ESPECIALLY bad.

It's fine if you just want to read about crazy fantasy shit happening left and right on a ridiculous scale, but don't expect a coherent overarching story or anything to make sense by the end. There's also some awful YAS KWEEN SLAYing that, even before I became an anti-feminist chad, I thought was obnoxious and out of place.

>>20309970
>even before I became an anti-feminist chad
Yikes, people actually refer to themselves like this?

>>20309996
>Yikes
you have no leg to stand on

>>20307639
Genivieve series and Ulrika series from WHFB

>>20309914
Malazan reads like the type of word vomit they put in MMORPGs to contextualise all the quests of "Gather seventy-eight pieces of ogre navel flint".

>>20309914
Malazan is great, and brings intense filtration to most who try to read it. It will get easier to read as you go along.

>>20309996
>people actually refer to themselves like this?
He's from /r9k/, that should tell you more than enough.

>>20310003
>WHFB
unsure what this is
Ulrika popped up this
https://www.goodreads.com/series/78943-ulrika-the-vampire
and genivieve popped up this
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181409.Genevieve

>>20305374
Recommend some engaging fantasy with nice prose, please. I'm finishing Lyonesse, and while it was nice, the narration was basically my favourite part, and I did doze off here and there, also can't really say I ever cared about the story or its characters.

>>20310009
Warhammer Fantasy Battle, it's an alternate Warhammer Universe (like Warhammer 40k or Age of Sigmar) that takes place in a Grimdark, High Fantasy not-Earth. Humans, Dwarves, Elves, Orcs, Giants, Chinamen, etc

>>20310013
>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>>20310013
If you want something relatively new, I'd recomend Blacktongue Thief

>>20310013
Tigana

>>20305625
If you don't mind reading YA then the Belgariad. It is also as horny as Mushoku Tensei if that is a pitch for you

>>20310022
This one looks really good I"ll add it to my backlog.

>>20309996
>>20310007
Please go be faggots somewhere else.

>>20310022
Woke shite no doubt.

>>20310114
>Muh everything new is pozzed
Jesus fucking Christ, get your head out of your bussy

>>20309914
I bought the first two books but im too scared to start, I heard good stuff about it and also people saying its the last boss of epic fantasy and how its hard to understand.

>>20310158
The complexity is greatly over stated. Unfortunately, so is the quality. It's a very mediocre series. Probably, the worst of the big series that people usually shill (aka WoT, GoT, etc.).

Whats the coziest fantasy you read?

>>20310138
Prove it isn't.

>>20310179
Some people really prefer it over WoT and GoT, there is also a cool band about Malazan that sound really epic.

>>20310182
New books are really good, I read a book that was released 2021 called Slewfoot and it was really good and even better than some hyped old books.

>>20310189
And I'd say those people are wrong. Obviously, at the end it's all down to opinion. But I found Malazan to be very poor. It's essentially a Forgotten Realms books at a larger scale.

>>20309413
Try Matthew Hughes. Explicitly writes Vance-like books, and is pretty good at it.

>>20306174
the emperor's soul
shadows for silence

Is it just me or what?

Is buying a kindle worth it or should I just keep reading on my phone?

>>20310420
I bought a kindle specifically so I can read when my power goes, out, since I also lose mobile reception when that happens. Aside from that? Not really.

>>20310420
Buy one of those cheap android tablets with a huge screen instead.

Anything good/interesting to read on Royal Road or self-pub shit? Asides from the already recommended stuff I've seen here like Mother of Learning and Paranoid Mage.

>>20310490
I tried Book of the Dead on RR recently and it was okay. It's a LitRPG unfortunately, but it manages to not go super hard on that aspect, enough that I could sit through it. Or hell maybe I'm just developing a tolerance for it given how much of that shit is getting shoveled lately.

>>20310495
Fuck I hate LitRPG's, I'll check it out though, thanks for the rec

>>20310490
>Anything good/interesting to read on Royal Road or self-pub shit? Asides from the already recommended stuff I've seen here like Mother of Learning and Paranoid Mage.
Worth the Candle
The Wandering Inn
Cradle
Dungeon Crawler Carl
A Journey of Black and Red
Never Die Twice
Pefect Run
Blue Core (same author as Paranoid Mage, but somewhat NSFW)
We Are Legion (Sci-fi)

Battle of hurin keep

10/10

>>20310512
I keep forgetting Cradle is self-published. That's a surprising success story for self-publishing, huh. Don't see much of that with fantasy these days.

>>20310512
>Worth the Candle
is Not worth the candle
would love to take back the time I wasted reading this.

>>20306926
I can't find any good audiobook version of Starship Troopers. The one that exists rn has a shit narrator(Blackstone Audiobooks version).
Help.

PS Black...stone? Black...rock? HMMMM

>>20310564
>Starship Troopers.
there are 2-3 versions on audiobook bay

>>20310490
>calamity of a reborn witch
>the perfect run

if you like guilty pleasure litrpg
>azarinth healer
>beneath the dragoneye moons

cultivation
>beware of chicken
>ave xia rem y

that being said, none of these are complete, save for the perfect run.

>>20307297
Having any quality standards removes the who web novel genre tho. Might as well read one that isn't written like a tourist asking for directions.

>>20309591

>>20310642
Beware of Chicken is basically just "What if a xianxia protagonist just wanted to live a nice life", right?

>>20310722
it's a parody, yes. but it's more than that i think. it's also about a powerful sentient chicken.

>>20308545
I hadnt heard about his political donations but even then i think hes generally not commited to any movement and seems to float somewhere inbetween. He's friends with Le Guin so clearly cant be as right wing as some people here like to believe he is, and professes to hold a sort of ecclectic mixture of 'far left and far right' views, whatever that means.

>>20310783
Bakker > Wolfe

Bakker is a based authoritarian
Wolfe is a librul of pozzed misery

What are some hidden gems that you wouldn't tell the undeserving normies about

>>20310825
The normie will never understand the creative power of Bakker, that's why in goodreads they seethe and cry because women are non-supreme.

>>20310825
The Radix tetrad of course because normalfags don't take psychedelics so they could never fully enjoy anything like the recommended book(s), Dick novels, and the like. Now that I think about, it explains why sffg is r/fant and r/progfant refuse because we get the same newfags asking the same questions, defending the same trash, and receiving the same ~15 recommendations.

>>20310825
If the normie is based, recommend the bakker supreme, if the normie is pozzed, make him go to the gym.

>>20306091
Okay, I've read 58 chapters of ISSTH and the difference in quality is quite drastic, the writing is just average, but it no longer hurts to read, the trasnlator did a decent job in my eyes. However, the story is just boring. There are glimpses of interesting character from MC, but it's just TELLING me who he is, instead of showing me. Like, I am here to read about the character, not get description of his personality whenever something happens. Here's an example of what it looks like (not from the story, just how it typically looks like).:

>Meng Hao's soul was utterly dominated by his enemy's Foundation Stage cultivation, he could not compare.
>But Meng Hao was was determined and stubborn individual, despite his sagely background, thus he persevered and struck back!

People make fun of Defiance of the Fall for being a cultivation litRPG, but after reading dozens of cultivation stories DoTF I can confidently say that it's the best cultivation story out of every I've read, not repetetive, interesting progression, deep and fascinating cultivation system, not to even mention Dao descriptions and epiphanies which should be a go-to example how it should be done. Why do I mention DoTF? Because it's good. I don't need to read 200 painfuly average chapters before there will be an interesting arc or an idea introduced, wasting dozens of hours just reading some stupid shit.

I don't think ISSTH is bad, not really, just boring and uninteresting. When MC got a cheat item, I thought it will be at least interesting, analyzed and gave its proper weight. But that's just a tool for MC to be special, just a plot device without any substance. People say it gets better in the second book. It might, but the story is extremely long and the second books starts, what, 200+ chapters in? I read several hours and I'm just at 58, and that with some skimming. This is just not worth it. Even an average book will get me more enjoyement, fulfillment and interesting concepts or ideas than this.

I think I'm just done, I tried those chinese webnovels, and all I'm getting is dissapointment, only Reverend Insanity kept me reading for ~400 chapters, but I just gave up because it just wasn't that interesting except for Fang Yuan's character. Still, how many times can I read about him samrtly out-manouvering his opponents and coming on top due to bullshit knowledge? It gets old pretty fast. Seriously, the bar for chinese webnovels is so fucking low it's not even funny, just have any interesting idea and then execute it competently and boom, you get a masterpiece. I feel bad for chinese, the best age to live in as an enthusiast of literature yet all they get is trash, and they might not even know that it's trash because they haven't got any opportunity to read something better.

I will give myself 1-2 more hours of reading ISSTH and then drop it if there's nothing interesting, then I remove all chinese webnovels from my reading list. Will check Lord of Mysteries, though.

>>20310867
Writer supreme

>>20310867
>after reading dozens of cultivation stories DoTF I can confidently say that it's the best cultivation story out of every I've read
How's it compare to Cradle?

>>20310867
Do a homo cultivation novel before you quit. Might as well hurt yourself in a new way!

Recommend me a fun popcorn story with good fights.

>>20310867
that's the same feeling i get from a lot of the recommended cultivation stories as well. the main character usually too dissapointing and uninteresting for me to keep going.

>Will check Lord of Mysteries
nice.

>>20309970
>Things seem to happen just to happen, characters that weren't important at all suddenly become important out of nowhere, characters you thought would become important later on don't. The humor is especially bad. ESPECIALLY bad.
Can you give some examples of those?

>>20310029

Yeah I enjoyed Belgariad. The first book and last book were kind of lame but everything in between was good. They visited some really interesting locations, I really liked Nyissa

>>20310867
I always feel a little odd that DotF is considered cultivation. Yeah, it has cultivation, but the protagonist doesn't really interact with that at all. It's tangential to him, he's going at it more like a standard LitRPG. That said, I do still like it, though it has piss-poor characterisation as nearly everybody except Average so far has been functionally the same character.

>>20310873
>How's it compare to Cradle?
Difficult to compare, as while both as progression fatansy cultivation stories, they have different focus. Main difference is that Cradle is a book series, while DoTF is a webnovel. DoTF target is steady schedule, five times a week at the same time, so that you have something to look up to every day. Cradle obviously will be a more polished and tight story, but not necessarily better if we consider how good are both stories performing relatively to their goals.
Cradle is defnitely more focused on characters and relationship between them, and the story is good most of the time, progression is more of a framework there. In DoTF the progression is the focus, and the story isn't bad, compared to other often recommended cultivation stories it is very good. But it isn't as focused on characters, even though the few that are developed are interesting, especially the MC's companion Ogras, who's absolutely hilarious to me. If there's one aspect in which DoTF absolutely outshines Cradle, it's world building. The world is massive beyond belief and I found it much more interesting to Cradle's, countless different races and places. Dao visions the MC undergoes often have stories within them, i.e. Dao of Heaviness(?) have a vision of a man protecting his planet from destruction at the end of time. The story being LitRPG might be weird at first, but there are serious plot reason why System (also known as Ruthless Heavens) exists, and to me it makes DoTF one of the more interesting settings, leaning heavily into System's existence and how it came to be. It also isn't just a framework for the story to work, but at times could be even considered a character on its own.

Now, if I had to choose only one of those to exist...I wouldn't be sure which I would choose. Cradle is good, one of the best Progression Fantasies, but it lacks the scope and deepness that DoTF posseses, especially the length. Honestly, I think I'd be leaning more towards DoTF than Cradle.

>>20307310
I've had Wandering Inn on my TBR for ages but I put it off since it's fucking long and isn't finished but that image makes me want to start reading today

>>20310995
I agree they're difficult to compare, but I generally stepped away from the latest Cradle stuff feeling like I took in more than from a DotF binge. It may just be me being a character-focused reader, and the utter lack of interesting characters in DotF (even Ogras is only kinda funny to me, I'm not against him he's just kinda there), coupled with a no-personality MC leads me to prefer Cradle. I think Cradle weirdly sells its scope better, despite DotF having a much wider scope that we see more glimpses of, because we actually see more of what the scope is like in Cradle for those who can see it all. Whereas in DotF, we're always looking in on things at the ground level. DotF has more creative worlds I'd suppose, but Cradle has a more interesting single world to me.

>>20310998
The artist, Enuryn, is amazing.

>>20310564
I'm assuming you are talking about James Lloyd. He's not particularly theatrical in his reading performance but I think it's fine. He kinda captures how I would expect Johny Rico...a teenage boomer. It's a short book and stand alone so I wouldn't expect a lot of variety.

>>20310849
Hi. I'm guessing you are the only other anon who has read Radix (im currently reading it)and I would like to ask you something. Is the ending of radix good?
I'm on the part where sumner is on miramol and nothing really has happened, apart from a few psychedelic episodes, it's been boring. So should I keep going?(there's still a hundred pages left)

what in the world is going on with APGTE book4? things are really spirraling out of control suddenly. and in a way where i'm not sure if this was planned by the author.

>>20311108
How so?

>>20311205
well alright, this was more of a kneejerk reaction to me reading about ratface and the other higher ups in callow getting killed offscreen, again while catherine is out of town. but seeing how abigail was set up before this, it was probably intended.

>>20311097
It has been several years and I honestly do not remember exact details although I do recall more things happening near the end with a big shitstorm. If you have enjoyed it so far you may as well complete it. It is a bit long and ambitious for the first entry not that you really need to read them all to get the entire picture or anything.

If you have to ask, the answer is no.

This is a general, not a specific. Why do a few always try to take it over until stopped to push for one specific thing? If you always want to talk about just that one thing, then make a thread about it. If that can't survive, that just goes to show it was only ever a few at most trying as hard they could to promote their preferred stuff.

>>20311221
Not that guy but i thought APGTE had a really bad habit of just dropping characters suddenly

>>20311033
Bad opinion desu.

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>>20310518
Tolkien is great.

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>>20311612
Fuck off.

>>20311615
rude

>>20311612
Were you really that fucking desperate to shitpost?

>>20311618
Then don’t make a thread when we’re in page 4 you dumbfuck.

>>20311625
yes I felt the need. Now that I have made a new thread I feel much better. Thanks for asking.

>>20311638
Christ, you're pathetic.

>>20311657
Thanks, you too

>>20310733
Is it good?

>>20311709
Not him, but it’s good for what it is.

>>20311714
Parodying the xianxia story?

>>20311728
Basically, it’s a good slice of life if you’re into that sort of thing.

>>20309782
Sturgeon's law

>>20310029
>YA
>horny

>>20311770
You've never been a young adult?

>>20311743
>it’s a good slice of life if you’re into that sort of thing.
Might as well read it if I want something comfy then.

>>20311770
>tfw no horny tsundere dryad waifu

>>20311770
Speaking of YA and its horniness, the last time I delved into that territory I got whacked over the head with sudden cuckshit, so that was an unpleasant surprise. But I guess I deserve it for reading something with a stronk first person girl protagonist riding on the Hunger Games bandwagon. YA has been truly and completely conquered by the female readership.

>>20307779
I've published articles on it. Peake is incredible. Titus Groan and Gormenghast are 10/10. Titus Alone is tough to get through.

Requesting loli themed science fiction or fantasy recommendations.

>>20311957
No, fuck of already.

>>20311960
I'm trying to desu, haram series, and they worked for a while but they just aren't working anymore.

Is it page 9 or page 10 that we make a new general?

>>20311770
>>20311893
Speaking of horniness, why there isn't any book chart for Fantasy Erotica? I know that harems are popular right now, but there's more than that. Just now I'm reading 'Good Intentions' and it's urban fantasy, one of the hottest and most titilating fantasy books I've read. It's seriously weird that no one has done one, even weird horror genres etc have one in the book chart folder. Do I have to make a erotica/nsfe book chart myself? I mean, it's an incentive to read even more of that, but it's weird that no one has made one so far. I'd probably do one for men, mainly (although some are more universal than simple male gaze, even read by women). Female Erotica is more mainstream, 'A Court of Thorns and Roses' etc, so a book chart for that would be just top selling books from amazon, kek.

>>20311994
Ideally, page 10. Why?

>>20311994
Dude, just use this thread. No need to make a new thread.

>>20311997
I remember an anon was trying to make a chart months ago, but that was during the time of the spammer so sadly it never went anywhere.

>>20311957
Perilous Waif by E William Brown

>>20311960
I read one where a guy was put in stasis and woke up in post apocalypses and there were all these thirsty girls but he made a rule that there was no fun allowed for girls under 16, even though the prevailing culture was allowing it as soon as they were breedable.

This I read the Heinlein one where the immortal Lazarus had twin clones of himself that were 10 year old girls constantly talking about jumping his bones but nothing interesting ever happened.

There was another handline where brother and sister slaves get jiggy and marry each other but there was no POV of the action.

>>20312021
Thanks, I'll give it a read.

>>20311997
oof
good intentions
turns to cuck shit later on.

>>20312000
Just curious really.

Is Mage Errant any good?

>>20312081
no

>>20312098
How come?

>>20312103
Read it and find out.

>>20312108
Have you read it?

>>20312130
Yes

>>20312081
It's alright for what it sets out to do. If you want to healthy friendships in party of friends/companions, Eldritch fantasy monsters, and strange cities/cultures it's for you. It's decent to mediocre for books 1-4, peaks at book 5, then book 6 is 700 pages of disappointing filler to set up the finale.

>>20312151
How are the action scenes?

>>20312157
There's some creative and varied use of magic, but fights didn't really stand out to me until book 5 when things get really crazy. A lot of the memorable fight scenes is when their teacher has to kick ass, he's basically Konan from Naruto, a paper mage who can make flying blades of paper and paper armor.
The main problem is that the books don't feel even in terms of quality, books 2, 4, and 5 are vastly better than the rest imo

>>20312181
Are they very long?

>>20312157
Creative. The magick system is detailed and enjoyable to read about.
I would like to mention that anon managed to memory block the underage gay sex that becomes prominent around book 3 or 4 and is thrust into your face, no pun intended.

>>20312181
I'll probably check it out. From the sound of things I've read worse.

>>20312193
If you want a magic school story that's not Mage Errant or Harry Potter, I'd recomend Mother of Learning, it's free to read. I enjoyed it vastly more than Mage Errant.

>>20312208
>I'd recomend Mother of Learning,
Seconding this, its a good story for what it is.

>>20312248
I wonder what's going on with the guy who was asking for recommendations, he was supposed to start reading MoL and haven't posted for days now. He's probably so engrosed he doesn't do anything else.

>>20312254
I know I definitely tend to binge read when I'm enjoying a story. Especially for lighter reading like webnovels or popcorn fantasy.

>>20312188
First couple of books are 200-something pages, then they get bigger and bigger, latest is 600+. I think the first book is the weakest, because it rushes through a lot.

>>20312254
I mean it's unironically a 10/10 story compared to the dogshit he was reading and already reviewed. MoL has some issues like a slow start, annoying MC (for some people) at the start, and probably a few plot holes and logic leaps thanks to the time loop. Despite that it's still a pretty concise, well thought out story with a planned and good ending that fits the premise and nature of the time loop.

>>20312282
I keep meaning to read it, myself, but I have trouble sitting down and reading webnovels, and it's only partially published as of right now, yes?

>>20312287
I don't think there's any difference between the Royal Road version and the self pub version on Amazon. I didn't really notice any gramatical errors or typos on the Royal Road version, I assume the author retroactively fixed any errors since RR was the 2nd place he hosted the story.
Just give it a shot, read up to I think like chapter 8 or so and see if you want to continue.

>>20312309
It's not that, it's just I have an easier time reading a whole published thing than a web novel. I also just have problems with Royal Road's layout for reading.

>>20312327
>It's not that, it's just I have an easier time reading a whole published thing than a web novel. I also just have problems with Royal Road's layout for reading.
RR has a lot of options for reading, font size, background opacity and color...I don't get how anyone can have problems with the layuout when you can just customize it.

>>20310949
It's been years since I read it so my memory is very fuzzy for Malazan, but here's some examples I remember:
>Things seem to happen just to happen
I remember feeling this way when the first big villain of the series shows up. It felt like he came out of nowhere.
>characters that weren't important at all suddenly become important out of nowhere
I remember this example vividly; it was in the last book and a character who had not been important AT ALL suddenly became the most important character to what was happening at that time (a big battle I believe). Hell we even got PAGES of his backstory out of fucking nowhere just to make it seem less retarded (it didn't work).
>characters you thought would become important later on don't
This would be a character's magical son. I can't remember either of their names, but the father was raped and the magic demon chick who raped him gave birth to his son who we're led to believe is gonna be an important character at some point.... and he isn't. He does nothing of importance.

>>20312334
I admittedly hadn't experimented much with those. I also have a tendency to read more on my phone, but I'm sure Royal Road on mobile works fine.

>>20312327
There's fan made (I think) epub versions of the compiled chapters, if that helps.
>see pic

>>20310194
None of this is true.

I'm liking this new direction this general is taking.

>>20312208
>I'd recomend Mother of Learning, it's free to read.
Is it a first good novel to try? I don't read webnovel or whatever they're called.

>>20308432
>>20308545
Heroic Fantasy is inherently conservative. It's why all grimderp (which relies heavily on subversion) writers are leftshits.

>>20312360
Grimdark doesn't really rely on subversion. It's just its own thing.

Just finished way of kings as my first sanderson book. Anyone know where I go from here? Should I continue with stormlight series, or go back and read up on mistborn and elantris? Any order recommendation?

>>20312372
You can read Stormlight without really knowing Mistborn, though it's recommended you at least read Warbreaker because it ties in quite a bit. They're all connected, but the connections are pretty much on the level of "if you know you know".

>>20312369
Grimderp is literally Epic Fantasy subverted. It most definitely IS NOT its own thing.

>>20312359
It's the one I started with. After that I read APGTE and Worm.
If you want a zoom zoom progression fantasy that's basically a westernized Korean power fantasy webnovel, try TBATE

>>20312387
These web novel names are gonna get to the point where I just gloss over when people shorten their names. I know what APTGTE and TBATE are, but already my brain's mixing the two up just from those shorthands.

>>20312381
Is mistborn good enough for me to take a break from stormlight before I pick it back up?

>>20312387
>TBATE
I am heavily into webnovels and I can't recall ever seeing those letters, what story is it?

>>20312408
The Beginnning After the End, unfortunately you have to slog through like 250 chapters before it gets good imo. Not worth reading if you can't stand cringe, and it's also an isekai.

favorite anthology?

>>20312340
tfw Beak was one of the best Malazan

>>20312381
>though it's recommended you at least read Warbreaker
Don't do this. I was memed into reading it and it was an intolerable slog. Just stick to Stormlight Archive. Maybe do Mistborn if you feel like it.

>>20312406
I mostly enjoyed the first book, and the next two were just okay. I personally read Stormlight up to WoR, then... Basically the rest of the Cosmere, then the rest of Stormlight, because I wanted the full picture, but it wasn't really worth it in retrospect.

>>20311768
An example of idiocy masquerading as folk wisdom.

>>20309805
Are we not talking about fantasy books? I guess I thought you were smart enough to track the conversation without me having to be super specific, but given your tendency to read things you hate I should have guessed you had crippling autism.

First Law vs Book of the New Sun vs Gormenghast?! I will only read one fantasy series this year and I must choose!

>>20312359
>Is it a first good novel to try?
Basically, yeah. It's already finish and should give you some insight on what to expect from other web novels.

>>20312497
>insight on what to expect from other web novels.
This is especially true for the MC archetype that permeates in webnovels.

>>20312519
The "always looking for the best way to improve in their current situation" archetype?

>>20312495
I've read all of them. I like Abercrombie for easy entertainment but if you are only going to read one fantasy series this year then go with Peake or Wolfe. I'd recommend Gormenghast over New Sun but both are brilliant.

>>20312522
No, the self-insert characters that are introverted, unsociable, awkward loner archetype

>>20312557
>No, the self-insert characters that are introverted, unsociable, awkward loner archetype
Problem is, MoL is one of the only stories that tackle that in a serious way, both for the reasons and change of these character traits. In comaprison, amny other stories come short. Unsocial loner is a stample of the literature in general, but that's what you get when unsocial loners are the prime writing group.

>>20312570
I'm not ragging on MoL because of it, merely saying that because of it, that MC archetype permeates in other webnovels. Though I don't blame it, I blame the other webnovels trying to bandwagon its sucess.

>>20312360
the only thing inherintly conservative is contempt for women, minorities and people of lower social station. if a work endorses betterment of the common people's lot in some way it's already halfway towards being socialist fiction. fun fact: asoiaf's obsession with noble houses makes it crypto conservative, not leftist at all.

>>20312557
At least the story tackles that issue. Unlike the others.

>>20311997
Yeah I wish someone would compile a list
Maybe throw in scifi ones too
The only ones I know about are Wizard's First Rule and Kushiel's Dart

>>20312556
Ok thanks

>>20311997
I should reread the last books now that I'm into cuck shit

>>20312591
You're projecting, tardo.

>>20312625
Yeah, and I commend it for it, still doesn't change the fact that other hack writers use the MC archetype.

>>20312387
>>20312497
Does it start slow or fast? Because I notice that some webnovels do way too fast on the first arc. Or something.