/lit/ - Literature

granpa pepe!

>>20211912
Expensive, time consuming, complex, too much investment when it comes to time, effort and money for little immediate pay off. Working class people, in a time of inflated currency and government addled increase of market regulations, taxation and inflation influenced by the lobbying of mega corporations to remove the small and medium entrepreneur from the market and dominate the economy, forcing everyone to be overworked and underpaid, have no time for things like reading books.

All they have time for is immediate, mass produced and easy to consume self-indulgencies like alcohol, drugs, sex, entertainment and what not. These shit economic conditions don't allow for entrepreneurs to join a true free market economy and make money, become somewhat lavish in their accumulation of wealth and enjoy a lifestyle comfortable enough to have the free time and disposable income to dedicate to reading. Also the desire, once all basic needs are fulfilled, to enjoy these higher forms of self-satisfaction.

>>20211912
They used to
Wrote em too

they on their phones

>>20211912
because they gotta work all the time

theyre tired. why don't you read your mom or dad a book for them, huh? jerk.

BECAUSE ALL BOOKS ADVERTISED BY COMMIES ARE SHIT

WORKING CLASS READ THE BIBLE WITHOUT PROBLEM

>>20211944
Why don't they just stop being lazy?

>>20211912
They do.
>>20211942
And then there’s this. Television catered to many, but it’s an idiot box.
>>20212025
Less and less people care about the church, though some may still dust off that old book every now and again.
>>20212035
I don’t care if you’re trolling, I’d throttle your neck if I could

>>20211912
They do, just not the books you'd want them to read. Lot of Stephen King/Dean Koontz, lots of James Patterson, etc.

>>20211926
retard

>>20211912
aways on dey phones

>>20212306
>Less and less people care about the church, though some may still dust off that old book every now and again.
more and more people are going to not read a single book and consume any type of media.

civilization is dead

>>20212769
The Bible is not civilization. You’re dead and clinging to corpses.
As a result, many of your type want to kill everything off that doesn’t revere your corpses.

>>20212791
The Bible is the base of western civilization

every single part of it, from law to science was created following the principles inside the bible.

Pascal, Newton, Fibonacci, Einstein etc... all the greatest mind of humanity consider the bible as the peak of Human knowledge

NOW LOOK
NO MORE VALUES without bible people turning into disgusting animals with the only goal of coonsume another day until death

we will never reach mars, we will never discover the secret of universe because for a group of nerds who never worked 1 single day in their life, who pass their entire existance to find new way to degenerate until their complete death inside and outside bible is dumb.

BIBLE OFFER TO THE WORKING CLASS BASIC KNOWLEDGE TO USE FOR THEMSELF

ALLOWED PEOPLE TO DECIDED FOR THEMSELF?
IMPOSSIBLE IN MODERN CIVILIZATION

trump supporters are generally not that smart

>>20213245
Based commie discover the definition of Racism

lefty belive themself of being a caste of morally superior overlords.
these people are religius fanatics ready to kill everyone who oppse them
Cancer of the world

>>20213269
>proves my point

>>20211912
too busy watching the footie, shagging the wife (gettin bigga now aint she), eating the chippie, playing the FIFAs, downing the pints,
simple as, fookin fook fookin fook

>>20213313
proves that you are a retard who use the thing you hate.

Niggers are generally not that smart
this is fake because is consider all blacks as the few who commiting crime but your argument is right?

commies have no logic , are just religus fanatics.

Obey and belive no matter what
intellectual slavary

Colin Wilson was a working class lad who had a so so education but he read a ton on his own. After compulsory military service he worked a bunch of crap jobs like door to door salesman and dishwasher.
He wound up writing The Outsider mostly in the reading room of the British Museum while sleeping in a sleeping bag out on Hampstead Heath at night and otherwise being homeless. Angus Wilson lent him his typewriter and office so that he could type the book up.
Of course once he became a famous author he was no longer working class. He was now middle class.

>>20211926

Beer and cruelty is the opiate of the lower class lmao. And given more free time, they would have more of it

>>20211912
i do

>>20211912
Lower IQ

>>20211926
>Expensive
stopped reading there
glossed over the rest of your comment. just random schizo rambling about muh economy. go home to mommy, retard.

>>20211912
too busy cheerin on ngubu, yeah?

>>20211912
most people dont read books. And they dont have any social pressure to do so either. A higher class person wants to seem higher class, even to themselves, so might attempt to read.

>>20211912
they do just not what shitlibs would like them to read

>>20212811
There's literally a church on every street corner in America

>>20211912
Because average working class people where never meant to become intellectual academics or bother with abstract ideas. They where supposed to farm potatoes and grind wheat. The idea that we should all read books, go to university and become academics is ridiculous so don't be surprised when people don't read.

Their attention span is absolutely fucked by constant exposure to 10 second TikTok videos. Anything that doesn´t provide instant gratification will not be pursued.

>>20214535
Books are expensive for the working class, you idiot
>>20212318
good retort, fucktard. go back to /b/
>>20213841
>beer and cruelty
wtf does this even mean?


some of the people here should really consider suicide.

My dad was working class and he read books like Lord of the Rings, Dune, books about ww2, etc

>>20211912
My best friend and my building's super are both avid working class readers and recommend me (upper middle class and white collar) stuff all the time. My friend is a Teamster and loves Marcus Aurelius and Aleister Crowley. My super is a huge fan of Bernard Cornwell and Celine. Remember that blacks and mestizos are the underclass, not to be confused with the working class.

>>20212035
Absolutely bourgeois bait

>>20211942
You commies don't know any working class people.
The reason is they have an IQ of 90, no intellect, and would rather be watching Young Sheldon reruns.

>>20212791
We aren't the ones trying to kill everyone off who doesn't agree with us, moron.

>>20214820
Lol this is my parents, my dad screams at the football on TV.

>inb4 THEY'RE TIRED FROM WORKING ALL DAY, OK
My grandfather (died a month before I was born) read voraciously, apparently war and peace was his favourite novel, and he worked as a contractor, busting his gut laying bricks. He built my father's family home from scratch. I wish I could've met my granddad.

>>20214615
Have you ever known a single working class person or worked a single real job?
Commies all live in some imaginary 1920s larp world because they are rich faggots who hate and fear actual proles and only know them through romantic fantasy. "Ohh the poor genius working class people need to scrimp and save their pennies invetween 12 hour shifts at the coal plant to buy a book, only to get dust kicked in their face by a plutocrat when they try to read it."
Know what they spend money on? Xbox live, weed, and 60k dollar trucks. A 20 dollar used kindle and unlimited free books online is not a financial hurdle.

>>20214583
>doesn't know the difference between where and were
go till my potatoes then you fucking retard

>>20211912
They're busy working

>>20211926
>Expensive
Books are by far the cheapest commodity in terms of a price-hours ratio.
>Also the desire, once all basic needs are fulfilled, to enjoy these higher forms of self-satisfaction.
This is a good point. It is an issue of what your parents’ situation was as well though. If your parents don’t encourage reading, you are likely to end up hating it like you hate all the other shit they make you do in school. Normies 70% of the time seem to think of reading as like some self improvement activity and if they are trying to get their life together, they might read a book or two, but they treat it as something virtuous and unpleasant. It is annoying when you mention a book and a person feels the need to flatter you for even picking one up in the first place. Like as if you were bragging lol.

>>20211926
such mad COPE

>>20211926
>Expensive
kek
literally one of the cheapest hobbies

>>20214583
Post feet peasant boy

>>20214913
Your looking at them.

>>20214921
You're*

>>20214562
how many people go to that church?

How many of the priest in that church are ok with modern degeneration?

relique of an ancien era when Coonsuming wasn't the goal of life

>>20211912
I do nigger

>>20211912
Most people here are working class.

Working class doesn't just mean being a literal fucking coal miner. You're still a member even if you're working some shit office job.

>>20215179
Nope. Office job doesn't reduce your lifespan, underpay you, and throw you to the curb when you start to ware out

Get it made! Join a trade!

>>20215190
But they do. People who work in offices their whole lives have all kinds of health problems. The pay is regularly poor in comparison to the time investment required for acquiring the job. Productivity is constantly monitored and people lagging behind get the sack. Ageism is also quite prevalent in offices that are trying to have a certain look.

That's not say trades are better or easier, but the elitism over what constitutes working class is needlessly divisive when we all stand to gain from greater solidarity.

>>20211912
Theyre too busy killing themselves to prop up the playground-economy that enables you to leech, whether by dole or a non-job, enough money to indulge yourself with books.

Even stones erode my brother!

>>20215230
Stand to gain what, exactly? Bear in mind that Mickey McDonald's and Olivia Office aren't comparable in skill, experience or education. What do you think they have uniting them besides some arbitrary shared cultural affinity?

>>20215272
The fact that they're all workers, subject to employers trying to rape every last dollar from them that they possibly can.
Unity on this front means every worker has greater power to challenge their employers, exert some level of control over their surroundings, and to avoid bullshit work hours, cruel and demeaning requests, unsafe work conditions, etc.

This only works when large blocs are formed. When groups are isolated, the disruption is only small and the people in charge can easily sidestep it.

>>20215358
Yeah, that's nonsense. Disliking work conceptually doesn't mean you form some sort of anti-work cult that frames every interaction with an employer as adversarial. This is why people hate unions, pointless politicization of a simple transactional process.

>>20211926
>Expensive
It's not expensive though. Free books at the public library. Lib Gen has pretty much everything in the world for free online.
Used books are very cheap like 5-10$
>time consuming
Just as time consuming as watching netflix.
>All they have time for is immediate, mass produced and easy to consume self-indulgencies like alcohol, drugs, sex, entertainment and what not.
Literature is also mass produced. Nothing you listed there is are any less time consuming. And drugs are certainly more expensive.

>>20215171
>How many of the priest in that church are ok with modern degeneration?
>relique of an ancien era when Coonsuming wasn't the goal of life
Not many. You're just revealing that you never go to Church lol

Poor people have big TVs and small bookshelves. Rich people that small TVs and big bookshelves.

>>20215367
It's not a conceptual dislike of work, it's a real need for greater rights and protections. This is literally the foundation of labor movements which have made work actually relatively humane in the West. See China's 996 culture for the effects of when ground-up union efforts are outlawed.
>This is why people hate unions, pointless politicization of a simple transactional process
How is it anymore pointless than the formation of any other kind of political bloc? Employers will absolutely agitate for greater power on their behalf with means, like lobbying, that are practically unavailable to everybody else. So why can't the actual mass of people beneath them form together and create something mutually beneficial?

>>20215454
Except Owen and Fourier (as owners) implemented policies without unions or parties to improve the material conditions of their employees in the 19th century. Employee agitation is useless, because improvement is always necessarily top-down.

>>20215478
That's not a reliable solution. You're just depending on the kindness of employers, which is likely only extended insofar as it improves the productivity of their workers. It's also mentally cancerous, that instead of taking power yourself you just leave it in someone else's hands.

>>20215511
Why do you think employees need or deserve power? By definition, you work for them, they don't work for you.

>>20215521

>there's more of us

>chimp out and beats the shids out of him

>tell him to organize us productively for as little pay as possible and.as much as possible for us

>or we'll chimp out a again

Sorry chud, highschool never ends

>>20211926
>Expensive
Just pirate PDFs from ZLibrary smoothbrain

>>20215672
They literally imagine "working class" people in the West are going to bed hungry because they can't afford beans and using rags to sew up their worn overalls rather than buying gaming laptops and vape pens. Because they don't know any working class people and have never had a working class job.

>>20211912
Because believe or not they are generally midwits and would perefer to watch sports or shit tier netflix shows

>>20211912
Because a lot of us have kids as well which cuts our free time by two thirds. Even us fanatics can only catch an hour or two of reading a day. It's sad and frankly pathetic, but that's how the system is set up.
Gotta keep the population dumb and docile

>>20211912
It kills me that NEET virginal losers like you get to read more than I do. It's not fair and fuck you for reminding me

>>20214615
>Books are expensive for the working class, you idiot
So are phones, televisions, video games, etc. Yet the working class has no issue consuming plenty of those
Besides, e-readers makes it easy to get a big library of pirated books.

>>20211912
A lot of working class people are getting into audio books I’ve noticed. I think it’s simply the act of reading that is unappealing to them. Middleclass people usually have jobs that entail reading or go to university; working class folk don’t really interact with extensive reading as much of their work is physical.

There’s also the cultural side: if none of your friends or family read and no one around you talks about books you’re gonna be less inclined to trying it yourself. In today’s society the working class is doing quite well financially, better than much of the middleclass, reading books doesn’t appear integral to success so why would they do it? I don’t like to think the working class are inherently so dim that literature is too “advanced” for them. The underclass however are just animals who can’t fathom reading something that isn’t on a scratch card

>Americans ITT think working class just means poor

>>20211926
I work in a warehouse, when I come home I read almost every evening before bed. A coworker of mine also reads.

>>20215390
>Used books are very cheap like 5-10$
overpaying thrift stores have them for a dollar or 2 plus garage sales i have even gotten them for free

>>20215872
They’re called the working poor here.

>>20214883
>Book cheapest commodity in price to hours
Definitely not. That would be video games or television.

>>20211926
It's easily the least expensive medium to get into but I agree with the rest. Most people are too tired after work to genuinely jump into books, but I guess it also depends on what you're reading.

Because they don't want to get finessed by pedants who have zero real life or business experience into becoming some faggy communist like every other pseudo-intellectual that's lived off of inheritance money since the day they were born, and they're right for that.

>>20216963
"Trannies and gay people are important, also minorities are cool" - Definitely Karl Marx

>>20216967
Not liking those things doesn't make his ideas any less incoherent, seething troon.

>>20216985
>seething troon.
Nothing to do with politics. Your argument is more incoherent

>uhh I'm poor but... I HATE TRANNIES!
>I would like to be not poor... Marx may have the answer, but I HATE TRANNIES

>inb4 id-pol
Just because identity politics uses the word "politics" doesn't mean it has anything to do with politics. Look up the etymology of the word before you argue with me.

>>20211912
If they knew how to read, they would cease to be working class, because they'd figure out how to move upwards.