/lit/ - Literature

>>19890462
Every presidential election since at least 1960 had foul play. Every losing candidate has had the grace to not point it out for the benefit of the American people's confidence until now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election#Controversies
>Allegations of voter fraud were made in Texas. For example, Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters, yet 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[63] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received 187 votes to Nixon's 24, though there were only 86 registered voters in the precinct.[63] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already "certified" Kennedy as the winner.
> Earl Mazo, a reporter for the pro-Nixon New York Herald Tribune and his biographer, investigated the voting in Chicago and "claimed to have discovered sufficient evidence of vote fraud to prove that the state was stolen for Kennedy."
>Russell D. Renka, a former political science professor at Southeastern Missouri State University,[71] acknowledged that it was more than likely that Johnson's political machine in the state's lower Rio Grande Valley counties, including the notorious Duval County, could have "managed to produce a significant number of forged votes" for Kennedy.
>Nixon's campaign staff urged him to pursue recounts and challenge the validity of Kennedy's victory in several states, especially Illinois, Missouri, and New Jersey, where large majorities in Catholic precincts handed Kennedy the election.[63] But Nixon gave a speech three days after the election stating that he would not contest the election.

God I wish

>>19890462
We are living in the consequences of the 1970s.
The 60s were a consequence of the height of US influence and affluence. This is our downward spiral

>amerifats obsessed with cultural shit

You're living the consequences of the repeal of Glass-Steagal.

Rick Perlstein fell for the Russiagate hoax. Pretty dumb guy. I read that book years ago btw, it was alright, probably libtarded but I wouldn't have noticed.

>>19890487
>culture
NOOOOO this doesn't matter!

>>19890499
It’s used by the state to divide and conquer while they pillage

>>19890516
Y'see porkie put the tranny in the pepsi commercial to divide the workers. I'm very clever.

>>19890492
I dont find it too libtard and for someone who knows only surface level stuff about the 60s I find it a clear but deep introduction.
>russia gate
how do you know what he has said outside of the books hes written?
he goes on tv, have a blog, wrote columns, twitter, etc?

>>19890555
Twitter, unfortunately. It's real sad being immediately dispelled of any illusion that someone is smart by browsing their account.

Only slightly. There was a LOT more turmoil in the 60s and 70s. Read Days of Rage.

>>19890477
we are living post 60-70 consequences, that I agree. But specifically the 70s not so much. Then again, what has had more influence on history, the social changes of the 60-70s or the rise of internet 90-00. You could really argue for the second.

>crazy race riots
>NAM
>leftist were an actual terrorist threat
>Cool music
>cia psyops in full force
>sex everywhere and less actual incels


We are a very watered down much gayer 60s I guess

>>19890572
By whom?

>>19890535
The cop riots of 2020 seem to have gone off without a hitch. Barely anyone gets what actually happened there.

>>19890575
The 70s sewed the end of the US. Social excitement during the 60s was tamped down and used bu the security state ever since. They did feed them the drugs in the 60s after all. MKultra writ large. But the economic/resource difficulties of the 70s were never resolved. Our goals have been to steal from other nations and especially take Russia. A very ambitious spider, the US

>>19890492
oh nooo he retweeted the wrong culture war meme! now i'm not allowed to read him anymore!!!

>>19890606
>the other party’s candidate becoming President was seen as a destruction of America
>red scare
>inflation
>nefarious election means
>recreational drug craze
>Space (Race)
>yokels vs yuppies

>>19890606
Pretty much, I think the right wing has a fair enough chance of winning this round though.

I think it all comes down to American power in the world desu. If America stops exerting influence either because of the rise of China or an isolationist president the neoliberal world order will crumble. It’s already the weakest it been since the 70s. Perhaps with actually decent leadership and moderating the weird tranny and feminist shit the establishment would stand a chance but I can’t see that realistically happening.

well i wish i was in the Land of Nixon
old times there are hard to miss-on
look away! look away! look away! Nixonland!
in Nixonland where I was born
niggers had no right to vote
look away! look away! look away! Nixonland!

>>19890462
Nixon was wide awake and not a vegetable.

>>19890700
>the right wing has a fair enough chance of winning this round though.
Both RNC and DNC are rightwing. They’ve been in the driver’s seat since Roosevelt died and the SS assassinated Kennedy

>>19890646
>The cop riots of 2020
Let's just sanitize the anarchist mobs or the leftist strategists who tried to take advantage of the false protest-riot dichotomy.
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>>19890499
Once material conditions of individuals reach minimum point to guarantee survival, culture and aesthetics are all that matter life. These things are the immediate experience of all conscious men, and to deny their importance is to deny that life itself is capable of having any value. Nihilism is to be expected from utilitarian mechano men who can only think about life in terms of bodily comfort and its extensions.

>>19890743
>Both RNC and DNC are rightwing. They’ve been in the driver’s seat since Roosevelt died and the SS assassinated Kennedy
As far as social policies are concerned, the Democrats are further left than any socialist party in Europe. That means they which to use their power and influence to shift all social spaces, and therefore the immediate experinces of every individual, leftwards. I know that doesn't matter to you because you think the only "real" things in the world are abstract property relations and the comfort of bodies. But it means quite a bit for people with the decency to be able to care about something other than their own personal comfort.

>>19890781
>further left than any socialist party
>because you think the only "real" things in the world are abstract property relations
genuinely a stupid individual

Has anyone read Hunter Thompson’s “Fear and Loathing On the Campaign Trail”?
It should give great insight into the era from the hippie perspective at least.

>>19890793
Property relations are more abstract than than the immediate aesthetic experience that individuals are constantly having. You only prioritize it because it is the biggest factor when it comes to your sole motivation of bodily comfort. This would be clear and immediately obvious if your were conscious on a more than a mechanical level.
I'm not trying to convince you of this. I know that it is impossible. I'm just trying to expose you for what you are in front of any human onlookers this conversation may have.

>>19890487
Its literally american history you fucking braindead moron

>>19890477
>The 60s were a consequence of the height of US influence and affluence
First half is obviously wrong since half the world was literally under communist dictatorships which blocked any US influence and the degree of influence in latin america/western europe/asia that were allies was only marginally more than today if there's any difference. Relative and absolute affluence has obviously declined in a number of ways though.

>>19890755
>Agent provocateurs don’t exist
Many fools and bad actors took to the streets, but the cops were ordered to make the mess.
Take that one crazy pedophile Rittenhouse shot. Why would they choose to let him out during a riot? I think it was an order.
>cultur is all that matters!!!
Spooky, clingy. The real things that matter most to me is the real organic culture of community. Not flags, anthems, borders, military might and shit.

>>19890895
>Many fools and bad actors took to the streets, but the cops were ordered to make the mess.
Even if provocateurs were the spark, the mob fanned the flames with all the passion they could muster. If these mobs had an interest in being more than that, they could have policed themselves and systematically removed every anarchist and anarchist sympathizer from their ranks. They declined to do this. There would have been no mess at all if the mob never assembled in the first place.
>Spooky, clingy. The real things that matter most to me is the real organic culture of community. Not flags, anthems, borders, military might and shit.
The latter are the things we as humans create in order to elevate us above the poverty of material existence. The sexualized dance music and slang you think of as organic culture is only an expression of it.

>>19890743
No they’re not you fucking retard. Fucking leftist Americans unironically think free market faggots are right wing. No self awareness or understanding of history at all.

>>19891039
Economically free market types are found in the Republican party, and the reformist “progressives” are found in the Democratic party and had pretty much run Europe. They’re not about freedom, either of them, for anything other than capitalism to flourish. One wishes for strong state power to regulate this capitalist rule, but just warn that the workforce need a nice contract. The “economic right” free marketers say screw that, I should be allowed to hire people at the lowest wage they’re willing to sell themselves for and pollute whatever place I can for my right to capital accumulation.
These are both rightwing ideologies. There’s a left that opposes them, YOU FUCKTARDED SOGGY LOG HEAD

>>19890462
No. The 60s never ended.

>>19890487
Don't ever talk about us or our son ever again

>>19891278
“Economic right” are not right wing, that’s a term made up in mid 20th century America. They’re just a strange Americanized version of 19th century laissez fairy liberals. What they want is the opposite of fascism, the state serving corporations. This is all bullshit pushed by Jews in the post war period to disenfranchise America Firsters and John Birchers in the post war period.
> https://odysee.com/@keithwoods:e/ModernRight:7

>>19891319
It is the year 2022; the 60s have ended

>>19891319
thats the point and the whole thesis of the book.

>>19891361
You're never going to make it with replies like that.

>>19891334
Yeah yeah, whatever. The Americans who call themselves rightwing and advocate exploitation in capitalist practices are the true left, whatever. They’re still right of the real left, and no, the USSR wasn’t leftism. That too is a corruption.
Left/right dichotomy is stupid anyway. There is another.

>>19891361
The troubled twenties are just starting

Were living through the consequences of 1913 actually
Something about an Island in Georgia and a train car

>>19890606
>leftist were an actual terrorist threat
>were
They still are but they've figured out they won't suffer crackdowns as much and can even get endorsed by politicians if they target individuals and low level civil servants vs the govt high levels. The ctrl+alt+right is relatively young and hasn't learned this yet.

>>19890679
>>red scare
The brown scare is more apperant but we had that as well in the 60s

>>19891039
>>19891278
It's more like economic protocols are irrelevent and there is no truly free market. America is a progressive country. The cold war was just progressive infighting

>>19891491
Leftist and crypto marxist ideologues like Keith are devoid of reality anyway

>>19891491
I'm not implying they're left either. They're their own corner of the political spectrum.

>>19891491
Also I'd drop the utopian faggotry. Your never going to get the exact society you want, and even if you did you wouldn't be satisfied with it. Plus the entire world would have to convert to make it possible, same thing with anarcho capitalism, one of the reasons why I ended up rejecting it and other materialist obsessions.

>>19891684
No, they're just progressives, they both desire to subvert and destroy traditional social bonds which they deem to be "oppressive"(all of them if you're determined enough)

>>19890475
Arguably this all started with Al gore chimping out at Dubya winning.

>>19891591
The CIA are wringing their hands with glee at fools like you.

>>19891651
Europe is more the “progressive” country. American “progressivism” is a joke. AOC does whatever momma bear tells her to do. Sanders too. He’s mostly useless.

>>19891770
depends on how you define progressivism.
They are on the forefront of Lmao tier idiocy. notmuch else.

>>19891667
Keith?

>>19891684
Ah, the four corners thing. Marginally better at political discernments

>>19891730
The culture wars are to distract from the class war. Unite with people calling themselves leftists. They just want people to get along. Don’t be racist.

>>19891770
The cia helped fund communist organizations in mozambique and toppled the egyptian monarchy. Stop being a retarded leftist

>>19891780
Aka “social-democracy”, but we have fake progressivism as much as fake socialists here too.
They’re also known as New Deal Democrats. They’re naive in their hopes for endless techno-capitalist advancement where blacks, whites, jews and cyborgs live in a solarpunk utopia

>>19891802
And toppled Iran, Chile, Sankara, murdered Che, fought China, the Soviets, Vietnam, oppose Venezuela, Cuba, etc. No, the Pentagon aren’t into communism in any way. Stop drinking that cool-aid

>>19891820
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>>19891802
can you retards stop debating cringe High School level world politics itt?
Either stick to the 60s and specifically the book or fuck off.

>>19891787
Leftists are just control freaks with retarded ideas about society. The state has always been and there is nothing natural or inevitable about communism.

>>19891836
And say what about the book?
Just whether you agree with the author or not? Because that's all this shit comes down to.

>>19891770
>The CIA are wringing their hands with glee at fools like you.
How was TikiCon btw?

>>19891836
I’m sorry, but understanding what’s going on isn’t exactly high school level around here. Sorry to have to be the one to inform you of these points.
Now try to talk about this book you’ve allegedly read. This being your thread, it’s your responsibility

>>19891910
Control freaks are authoritarian, yes. Proud boys, capitalist, nazis, police. These are all “leftists” to you?
Okay, as an anarchist I am the farthest rightwing person here. Okay?
This is just your definition. Ready to wave the red and black with us?

>>19891936
You're definition of control-freak is very reductionist, not that I'm surprised. Surely demanding people who are better than you should follow your ideology or just kowtow and die because what they are doing is basically "evil" in your eyes makes one a type of control freak.
>as an anarchist
Ah, a retard.

>>19890462
No, you’re living at the end of history where we’re so bored out of our minds that we want to relive the 60s.

>>19891958
How do you know history has ended? Are you a psychic?

>>19891955
So you’re “just the right amount of authoritarian” “leftist”
Fucking hypocrite

>>19891969
Lol, what? I'm Right. I just want society to prosper and for everybody to not kill each other. Too bad we don't agree.

>>19891988
No, you describe an anarchist here, but call me a retard for wanting the same things. Get yourself together man,.

>>19892005
I'd explain the joke but I'm not sure you'd get it either way.

>>19892016
Smugnorant. Tell it or don’t, I’m actually out/afk
Enjoy your day comrade.