/lit/ - Literature

Anyone?

>>19870407
aren't those for actual little kids?

>>19870488
middle grade imo, but still. I just really wanna know wtf when one with this last book.

>>19870407
I did some googling (since I have to do it for you) and found this in wikipedia: "...the Baudelaires decide to leave the island with Beatrice in order to honor their parents' wishes. Despite their fears about the outside world..." so it looks like it speaks about the author's escapism from the real world and being yourself I guess.

>>19870407
The moral of the story is that a good mystery has no conclusion. We learn almost nothing about what is happening because to answer the audience's questions would ruin the mystery. It's basically the Lady and the Tiger turned into a 7-book series.

Kids book that was meant to wrap up a long running series. Nothing to deep, just about the importance of family. Bucks the good vs evil trope, showing that Olaf had a human side as well.

lmao, thank you for this post

>>19870561
Okay, but what's the deal with the... tribe? that was on the island when they got there? Like, it's just something that feels out of place in a series of otherwise believable out of place things.

>>19870570
It is never explained who the original colonists were. Many of them are castaways who washed up on shore, or the descents of castaways. Ishmael has convinced them to hate and fear the outside world.

>>19870570
Ishmael's probably a reference to Moby Dick, the tribe a reference to Peter Pan and the lost boys. It's not deep, just a plot device where the author decided an inhabited island offered a better narrative than a deserted island. I think the Peter Pan reference is fitting, as the orphans are growing up. Asserting logic and reason against illogical conundrums.

I think I only got to the Grim Grotto before I aged out of them and never finished. I was getting sick of all the VFD shit anyway lol. They were really a different kind of vibe though.

>>19870600
>>19870605
Eh, fair enough. I remember sitting there going "wtf, why is this a thing, what's the point, where is this nigga going with this?" while reading it originally and never getting a satisfying message. It just felt too overly symbolic to simply be a plot device to make it more interesting.

>>19870610
>VFD shit
Dude... it was so much, and again, learning what it actually meant felt like such a let down that I didn't believe that's actually what it was. Maybe coming from a family heavily involved in my hometown's actual VFD made it seem less "mystical" tho.

I think I dropped it at the Grim Grotto. LS was taking too long to churn out books and I was rapidly approaching 14. I’ll pass them down to my kids but sounds like it didnt get better in quality after the first 6

>>19870614
You are a "Catcher in the Rye" kinda guy, buddy boy.

>>19870621
>learning what it actually meant felt like such a let down that I didn't believe that's actually what it was

yeah exactly why I lost interest

>>19870407
The world is more complex than children think and life doesn't wrap up nicely.

>>19870407
It's been fucking forever since I read these books so excuse me if I schizopost for a bit. All I really remember that there were a bunch of references to Moby Dick. I think the very friendly snake is supposed be that question mark sea monster or some shit. The island might have been a stronghold for VFD before it got abandoned and later run by castaways. Ishmael might have been a VFD leader before he became a cultist. The island is supposed to represent "paradise" for the castaways who are persuaded by Ishmael to stay away from the outside word and remain ignorant for their safely. The Bauldeliers and later the arrival of Olaf and Kitt bring knowledge which obstructs the illusion of escapism. Olaf poisons paradise both literally and figuratively by challenging Ishmael's ethos. The radishes parallel to the apple in genesis in that they both bring knowledge. With the case of the raddishes, it's the knowledge of the cure for the poison. Ishamael's reluctance to use the radishes at end might be because he'd rather have himself and his people die than break the illusion. The snake/sea monster is the personification of mystery which is what strives people to want to obtain knowledge and leave blissful ignorance. This is why the Bauldiers and later Beatrice end up leaving the island at the end of the book. The island is a cope for those that want to abandon all that they know but are compelled by intuition to leave "paradise" to an unknown fate. To the reader, their paradise is to be satisfied with a concluded story but are denied so when not all loose ends are tied.
>>19870407
>Was he trying to do some kind of "religion bad" posting
Probably, the New Atheism movement was big in the mid-late 2000's
>>19870544
I think it's implied somewhere that they fucking died
>>19870621
It's obvious that it was meant to be some free masonry/ Illuminati shit that uses Fire Departments as a front.

>>19870807
No, I'm not. I fucking hate that book.

It's literally just postmodern text for kids; you got filtered

>>19872466
>postmodern
oh, that's why I didn't care for it.