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stirner..?

>>19691992
pleb

>>19692003
Stirner's unbounded ego is effectively the same as the mahayana concept of one's buddha nature.

>>19691992
Monistrannies are useful idiots.
>de Rosario
What you're looking for isn't the One, it's the Pleroma.

>>19692048
>Monistrannies are useful idiots.
Well then the world is mostly composed of useful idiots

>>19691992
Lev Shestov

>>19692055
Yes.

>>19691992
Aquino

>>19692088
Who?

>>19691992
Rudolf Steiner

>>19691992
>Julius Evola
>doesn't believe in the One and doesn't desire to know and be it (initiation)
What do you think Traditionalism is? Becoming suprahuman necessarily doesn't have personality since it is only essence and has no substance to differentiate it.

प्रातः स्मरामि हृदि संस्फुरदात्मतत्त्वं
सच्चित्सुखं परमहंसगतिं तुरीयम् ।
यत्स्वप्नजागरसुषुप्तिमवैति नित्यं
तद्ब्रह्म निष्कलमहं न च भूतसङ्घः ॥१॥

1. I meditate in the morning on the Self which shines in the heart, which is existence-consciousness-bliss,
which is the goal to be attained by Paramahamsa sannyasis, which is called the fourth because it is beyond the three states of waking, dream and deep sleep, and which always witnesses the states of waking, dream and deep sleep.
I am that Brahman which is indivisible and not the aggregate of the five elements, ether, air, fire, water and earth.

प्रातर्भजामि मनसा वचसामगम्यं
वाचो विभान्ति निखिला यदनुग्रहेण ।
यन्नेतिनेतिवचनैर्निगमा अवोचं_
स्तं देवदेवमजमच्युतमाहुरग्र्यम् ॥२॥

2. I worship in the morning that supremely effulgent Being who is spoken of (in the Vedas)
as unborn, changeless, and the highest, who is inaccessible to the mind and whom words cannot directly describe,
but by whose blessing the faculty of speech functions, and who is described in the Upanishads by the words 'not this, not this'.

प्रातर्नमामि तमसः परमर्कवर्णं
पूर्णं सनातनपदं पुरुषोत्तमाख्यम् ।
यस्मिन्निदं जगदशेषमशेषमूर्तौ
रज्ज्वां भुजङ्गम इव प्रतिभासितं वै ॥३॥

3. I bow down in the morning to the infinite, eternal Being who is known as the supreme Purusha,
who is beyond the darkness of ignorance, who is resplendent like the sun,
who is everything and on whom this entire universe appears, just as a rope appears as a snake.

>>19692355
BASED
OP BTFO

>>19691992
> so far I have only found 2 authors who don't try to kill their sense of Self
The Self is the light of consciousness that is the knower, what you call “sense of Self” isnt the Self; because the Self is what knows the senses of particular things and also the absence of the senses of those things. If you can speak about the sense of anything being gone, it is only by virtue of the Self remaining as the presence that is knower of that absence. Nobody and nothing can kill this knowing Self, because it only dwells in the body without being affecting by the vicissitudes of the body.

>>19692355
Utterly based

>>19692355
>>19692371
>>19692680
mentally ill samefag

you're looking for Gnosticism, OP. read Serrano and pic related.

>>19692726
What is to be done after learning about gnosticism?

>>19692740
Minecraft, asceticism, or Cathar suicide.

>>19692743
Plotinus recommends the last one

>>19692743
>Minecraft
huh?
>asceticism
Fair enough but since we're here talking about it we probably don't have the ascetic disposition
>suicide
But it doesn't guarantee that you'll be freed after death

>>19692726
Seethe gnostic faggot.

>>19692749
Plotinus, Iranaeus and the other seething tards were clueless and they got recycled

>>19692749
Shoo shoo, tranny.

>>19692751
I said Cathar suicide, not regular old suicide.

>>19692752
Monistrannies are the only ones to seethe endlessly at duality while yearning for a return to the demiurgic womb like the worldly golems they are.

>>19692756
>Cathar suicide
What's the difference

>>19692530
The self is nothing but a bundle of impressions happening in succession

>>19692726
>serrano
>gnosticism
gunna have to pass, maybe you might have more luck on /x/

>>19692764
The Cathar suicide demonstrates his mastery over the will-to-life, and so the Demiurge, by throwing it off. Starving to death to rise above a universe ruled by death and predation.

>its not suicide, its Cathar Suicide™

>>19692773
Unironically filtered, in more ways than one.

>>19692773
literalist cockroach who thinks gnosticism is a checklist and not a temperament.

>>19692055
Yes.

>>19692779
...so what about the Minecraft option?

>>19692783
the suicide kills himself out of despair, the cathar kills himself to undo the scandal of his being

>>19692791
What about it? :^)

>>19692807
What does it entail?

>>19692812
I don't know, did I say something? :^)

>>19692829
Anon I'm not clever enough for these mind games

>>19692843
The archons are noumenal parasites, but their lackeys are not :^)

>>19692846
Oh ok I get it
Less painful than cathar suicide at least

>>19692765
> The self is nothing but a bundle of impressions happening in succession
That is contrary to our actual experience, because we as the knower find that we know processes like thoughts and sight etc instead of those thoughts and sense-perceptions knowing themselves. To even speak of them as occurring in succession is already sliding into an implicit admittance of one’s capacity of knowing them as being that which observes the succession while not being part of it.

bump

>>19691992
>Nimrod de Rosario
doesn't he want us to go back to Hyperborea which is beyond space and time? How is that not dissolution of everything?

Is faith precluded for gnostics? Do they never call upon the grace of God or pray?

>>19692762
> Monistrannies are the only ones to seethe endlessly at duality while yearning for a return to the demiurgic womb
You seem confused, non-dualism is entirely different from monism, non-dualism doesn’t aim at reuniting with a demiurge but it instead aims at transcending everything to arrive at the Absolute, which has nothing to do with the demiurge and which doesn’t possess the characteristics of the demiurge.

>>19694593
Marcion is considered a gnostic in temperament but still privileges faith over knowledge.

>>19694875
It doesn't matter what you call it. Your Absolute is functionally indistinguishable from the Demiurge, or ravenous Space.

>>19694882
> Your Absolute is functionally indistinguishable from the Demiurge, or ravenous Space.
then list what you believe are the attributes of both and let’s see just how similar they are

>>19691992
What you are looking for is transhumanism/anti-aging literature. To keep your ego/self alive, individual, separate, and yours forever. Perhaps uploading it to a computer simulation.

>>19694882
>>19694961
Still waiting for the demonstration of their similarity or indistinguishability. Why is it taking so long, did you realize it was a stupid claim to make or something?

>>19691992
dumb frogposter

>>19692872
>that is contrary to our actual experiences because we all are aware that we don't exist and aren't actually experiencing anything because we know that we are illusions made out of nothing
lol

>>19696037
Your post is nonsensical, how is that related?

>NOOO YOU ARE A CRUPTO BUDDHIST
>NOO YOU'RE A JAHINIST I' DISGUISE
Why should I ever listen to eastern """philosophy?"""

>>19696217
>Why should I ever listen to eastern """philosophy?"""


>"Even the loftiest philosophy of the Europeans, the idealism of reason, as it is set forth by Greek philosophers, appears in comparison with the abundant light and vigor of Oriental idealism, like a feeble Promethean spark in the full flood of heavenly glory of the noonday sun—faltering and feeble, and ever ready to be extinguished."
- Friedrich von Schlegel (1772 – 1829)

>"When we read with attention the poetical and philosophical monuments of the East, above all, those of India, which are beginning to spread in Europe, we discover there many a truth, and truths so profound, and which make such a contrast with the meanness of the results at which the European genius has sometimes stopped, that we are constrained to bend the knee before the philosophy of the East, and to see in this cradle of the human race the native land of the highest philosophy."
- Victor Cousin (1792 – 1867)

>"It is impossible to read the Vedanta, or the many fine compositions in illustration of it, without believing that Pythagoras and Plato derived their sublime theories from the same fountain with the sages of India."
- Sir William Jones ( 1746 – 1794)

>"I spend my happiest hours in reading Vedantic books. They are to me like the light of the morning, like the pure air of the mountains - so simple, so true, if once understood."
- Max Muller (1823 – 1900)

>"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavat Geeta, since whose composition years of the gods have elapsed, and in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seem puny and trivial…"
- Henry David Thoreau (1817 – 1862)

>(The Bhagavad Gita is) "The most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical song existing in any known tongue ....perhaps the deepest and loftiest thing the world has to show."
- Wilhelm von Humboldt (1767 – 1835)

>"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which exercise us."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803 – 1882)

>"In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death. "
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 – 1860)

>>19691992
Dissolving the ego actually helps to be one's most unique self, because the ego is made by the interactions with the outside world, so it is a cage.
Breaking out of the cage is a fundamental step of the individuation process

Well well, I see that this thread triggered many people, interesting.
>>19692726
I'll look for Lacarrière's book
Serrano is just politically correct Nimrod de Rosario given how Nimrod go far into the rabbit hole
>>19694425
There are two kind of living beings in this universe : Chained Spirits and animic (animal - anima : soul) life that is minerals, animals, pasu (hylics)

Which one of these is aware of itself ? Which one of these can go beyond the animic pulsions?

>>19697600
dirty Jungian

>>19692243
Big Mike

>>19698271
based Dąbrowskian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration

>>19698167
But from what I can tell, and to be fair I’ve only read the gnostic fragments, Rosario believes that spirit needs to escape out of the demiurgic prison of time and space. I know he doesn’t talk about becoming one but it seems very much like a gnostic dissolving into the pleroma which ends my existence as I know it because my being can only happen through time and becoming. If I no longer operate within time then I drown in the eternal

>>19700009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=wNhBGS6tA8o

>>19700161
I love Aug but how does this relate to Rosario?

>>19700961
It explains how escaping the prison of time and space doesn't imply a dissolution into anything but, on the contrary, a return to a fuller, less constrained state

>>19691992
It is the opposite of becoming a brain dead animal.

>>19691992
Martin Buber

>>19700966
okay I will watch this video because I haven't seen it in over a year. But from what I remember don't you still exist in time just a different kind of time that you have control over?

>>19700009
The Mystery of Belicena Villca and the Fundamentals are getting translated in English on telegram
Type hyperborean wisdom on yandex

>>19701044
is it this?
https://thefinalbattleweb.wordpress.com

>>19701027
No, that's not it

>>19700161
>>19701058
Okay so I finished watching it and I thank you for reminding me of Aug. He always makes me hopeful. I see that my interpretation wasn't quite right and I also understand that a lot of it past the system would be hard for us to comprehend right now but I still wonder what it would be like out of the system. Will we get to be with our family, our loved ones? Im guessing communication will be through something like higher pure emotions. What about things like art? Will that be obsolete?

we need to keep this thread alive. Its very rare you get a Nimrod de Rosario thread on /lit/

>>19701058
are you replying to this post >>19701058
?

>>19701175
>Will we get to be with our family, our loved ones? Im guessing communication will be through something like higher pure emotions. What about things like art?
Yes, everything that I like about the world that the Demiurge created like art and my family is present, but everything about the world that the Demiurge created that I don't like isn't present. It's sort of the ultimate wish-fulfillment like Islamic paradise.

>>19701818
I cant tell if this is sarcasm. But surely my family isn't only created by the Demiurge? I guess art is iffy because you could interpret it as something from beyond that enters our world the way Christians see icons but I agree art is probably demiurge creation. But ultimate wish fulfillment heaven sounds awesome so I hope you're not being sarcastic.

bump

>>19692048
yo based alert

>>19702225
eh

>>19692355
>. I meditate
wasn't shankara against meditation?

>>19692048
Still haven't addressed my points in half a year you fuck

>>19691992
theistic union vs monistic self-identification. there are other authors openly vocal against self annihilation through self-identification like r. c. zaehner, john m. rist, robert bolton, martin buber.

throw evola in the trash.

>>19691992
the self is too litle I want more than that

some plotinian scholars will argue for theistic union in plotinus

>>19703781
you can love God with all your heart. identifying yourself as God doesn't fix anything

>>19703844
the only way to love is to see oneself in the other while still recognizing it's otherness

>>19691992
It's almost as if
They are all one.

>>19703775
Stfu

>>19691992
Orthodox Christian mysticism explicitly refuses self-denying schools like yoga or neoplatonism. Read "A Night on Mount Athos", a short text about this precisely.

>>19697600
Hippie new age bs. You'll find nothingness at the end of your ego death. Transcendence of the ego is where its at, to connect the soul with God.

based thread

>>19704188
what? do you disagree or did you get offended by what i said about evola

>>19704283
It's the same thing nigger
Ego death means stepping out of it to see it from the outside. When you step out of it you stop identifying with yourself (body-mind-enviroment-etc) and achieve the "god's vision" (seeing all creation at once)
After that you create a new and better ego, because you need one to function in the world

>>19704830
The ego is like a character in a play. God (the monad) steps into a character to act in the world. That's you, God in a costume. When you get rid of the ego you step out of the play. But the experience is only temporary, otherwise you would cease to exist.

>>19704846
pic related

>>19691992
You’re never, ever going to make it with that attitude. What Evola lacks, the other traditions retain, allowing you to complete the whole. That’s your only hint. I hope you aren’t retarded enough to discard it.

>>19701175
Unironically take DMT
Don't trust the entities though

>>19705130
yeah ive taken mushrooms before but ive considered taking DMT too. I already know about them being demons and all of that but I think I need to do some other things first to prepare. Also I am worried that whatever I get will be mixed with stuff and I don't know where I can get real stuff

>>19705221
>I don't know where I can get real stuff
Order mimosa hostilis root bark, google "mhrb stb extraction tek" and enjoy

>>19691992
You misunderstood Evola

>>19705130
nice picture
https://youtu.be/M9Uk_HaH4nc

>>19696479
>Anglos and G*rms
Aaaaaand dropped

>>19705227
thank you very much!

>>19705242
Enjoy and remain skeptical

>>19691992
Anon thinks he's a human and thus not an animal. How cute.

>>19705356
we are trapped in animal bodies but we are not animal or pasu

>>19691992

>I'm so sick of hearing this

Is that your only refutation? Sounds like your ego talking

>>19705391
its not a refutation but just the fact that something is pushed a lot in the mainstream should be a red flag

>>19705399

>Argumentum ad populum

Come on now anon. Give me a better reason than that. I'm willing to be you've never even once honestly tried to engage with the concept of separating the concept of the ego from the self.

>>19705399
> Mainstream

Your only refutation is that something is popular, so it's bad?

>>19705412
>>19705416
Not him but annihilationism is an abhorrent demiurgic scam

>>19692039
Hmm let’s think about this
>unleash latent ego in its pursuit of desires
Vs
>Finding within you, and cultivating, your capacity for selflessly saving other people from the samsaric suffering
Hmmmmmmm
These two don’t quite sound so compatible to me. But I assume you have a super secret, edgy, contrarian, peeling-back-the-layers interpretation of both of them, etc etc.

>>19705419

Not sure what that has to do with anything but sure I agree i guess

The 'material universes' are a series of experimental plagiarisms. Falsities. Imitations that fail in the variance of implementation, 'inspired by Him only,' a truth he will no longer admit through his other faces. If there is a 'true' Brahma, he has naught to do with the nitty-gritty administrative cycle of creation and destruction in this world we perceive, not in closeness, and has been plagiarized as a mantle of Yaldabaoth, lion faced snake and father of the pig called Kali. The true world is one and one alone. The proper purpose of each lower world is not devourment of the self by anti-individuation through a farce of experiential evolution, but absolute individuation through the trials of infiltrating and destroying these universes and spiting those crafting them by taking all that is good out and burning away the evil. They exist as a recursive trial and masochist playground for those who would become Mahakala, Dharmapala, wrathful destroyers of that which exists in untruth. Devourers of devourers. To shut the face of breathing by tooth and jaw, bite off its face and eat Time alive to deny the falsely ineffable its meal. Then, eventually, to eat that god as Indra attempted in the Vritra myth; and this time, not be corrupted from the inside out. Not to become drunk on the world, as one sees in the descent of his mythology from high Jupiter archetype to low Dionysian drunkard.

>>19705399
>its not a refutation but
>>19705416
>Your only refutation is

>>19705429
>your capacity for selflessly saving other people from the samsaric suffering
Man what's the point? I just want to get out of here, I'd rather save myself first and foremost

>>19705436

hint: you can escape material reality by ceasing to identify with it i.e. material concepts of ego and self

>>19705435
>>"It's not a refutation"
>> "Being pushed in the Mainstream is a red flag"

Who are you trying to fool. anon. Explain why you reject something or don't. One or the other.

>>19705436
That’s fine, I’m talking about the Mahayana concept of buddha nature

>>19705399
Don't bother to discuss with them. There are a lot of shady characters, animic people with suspicious motivations on the internet and obviously mixed blood

Let them bump the thread until someone posts an interesting author

>>19691992
>Nimrod

>>19705464
>have mixed blood
>think Nimrod is based and was probably one of the first to ever shill him on /lit/
Am I going to make it bros?

>>19705439
>concepts of ego and self
Those are just abstractions anyway. I don't identify with anything, I am what I am

>>19705436
Lmao enjoy your reincarnation nigger

>>19705641
Fuck off archon nigger

>>19705443
I haven't rejected it. I am just saying that I am not going to accept it either

>>19705502
can you send me good links and resources for me to learn about his work as an English speaker? I have only read the gnostic fragments so far..

>>19705502
The sense that Nimrod gives to "blood purity" is different than the common racialist one. It's about the rememberance of the Origin

A question for dissolution fags

If the "we are one" bullshit is so evident, then why do you need to come here and defend this theory agressively ? If you know you're right then why debating ?

>>19705433
> The proper purpose of each lower world is not devourment of the self by anti-individuation through a farce of experiential evolution
pro-tip: there is no primary eastern source that actually endorses this either explicitly or implicitly; its a strawman

>>19705929
the "lose your ego" guys are always the meanest

>>19706010
They always go from one extreme to an another, from a positive pole to a negative pole

>>19706000
Why should there be? He's talking about Gnosticism.

>>19705674
Got you senpai: https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/hyperborean-wisdom-nimrod-de-rosario-and-gnostic-geopolitics

>>19705929
> then why do you need to come here and defend this theory agressively ?
Interesting way of framing it, someone conducting a defense is by default not the aggressor
>If you know you're right then why debating?
There are a variety of reasons why someone might do so, they may find that debating such things leads to insightful conversations that helps them understand it from new and interesting angles, or they may enjoy the competitiveness of debates as in enjoying the act of testing their own argumentative mettle, or they may derive satisfaction from what they see as helping people understanding something or clearing up confusion.

>>19706044
oh yeah ive read that article too. Its actually how I was introduced to De Rosario, I used to frequent the various 4PT-adjascent sites a lot

>>19706044
based

>>19706064
You might be shit out of luck in English except for this: https://thefinalbattleweb.wordpress.com/

>>19705929
Do you sometimes do something stupid and call yourself a stupid faggot?
Well then, fag

>>19691992
Serrano and Jung

>>19706550
based poster knows what's up. We need to compile a list of figures with good insights
Rosario
Serrano
Jung
Guenon
seem to be the ones with the best understanding of anyone ive read so far

>>19705399
mainstream in what sense? true no-self doctrine isnt very popular with most people, even western buddhists and hindus.

what youre talking about is a fake awakening though, just a crazy experience that some people go through and misinterpret it as "enlightenment"

real mainstream is atheism and abramahism.

>>19691992
Jung
Islamic esotericism

>>19704231
Going to mt athos is an act of self-denial

>>19704231
>yoga
>self denying
Ayy lmao

>>19691992
>so far I have only found 2 authors who don't try to kill their sense of Self to become braindead animals
there’s not an invalid reason to not like self denial but it definitely isn’t equivalent to lobotomizing yourself. do you even two truths doctrine bro

Ya, the union with everything concept is only trie to certain highly enlightened individuals/initiates. Simply repeating it mike a fact to be memorized and just believing in it with no actual knowledge is retarded.

Actually if you delve further into Evola's esoteric side you will find that he, following the Traditional doctrines, believes in the destruction of the ego, but he understands that it isn't applicable to everything and for everyone.

If people thirst for spirituality I think they should just stick to religion, whether Christian or Pagan, and deepen their understanding of it, including learning more about their ancient ancestors.

>>19706682
Jung's "spirituality" is retarded, purely psychological. Evola eviscerated him in Intro to Magic 3.

>>19707034
>Evola believed that
Who the fuck cares, you anti-ego fags have the mind of cattle

>>19707425
The destruction of the false ego is the presupposition for all initiatic doctrines. I'm not pretending that this is valid for everyone.

>>19707047
>Evola eviscerated him in Intro to Magic 3.
god damn this is a hilarious sentence

>>19707529
He casted Avadacadabra at him

>>19707529
Lmao. Jung is a lvl 12 Apprentice, Evola is a lvl 58 Red Mage. Guenon is a lvl 99 Ascended Master.

>>19707730
levels of LARP that shouldn't be possible

so many synchronicities today

>>19703697
>>. I meditate
>wasn't shankara against meditation?
He was against relying upon it to attain or realize liberation, like thinking if you just meditate enough then enlightenment will spontaneously happen, but as someone who is already enlightened, in that verse he seems to just be talking about the mind reveling in the blissfulness of the Self.

>>19691992
Personally I don't give a fuck however

Don't lump Lao Tzu in with these other ego-death retards. The Dao De Jing is clear that you can be in tune with the Dao and still have a sense of yourself.

>>19708664

He has attained perfect impassibility; life and death are equally indifferent to him, the collapse of the universe would cause him no emotion. By dint of search, he has reached the immutable truth, the unique universal Principle. He lets all beings evolve according to their destinies ... The outward sign of this inner state is imperturbability: not that of the hero who hurls himself alone, for love of glory, against an army in line of battle, but that of the spirit, which, higher than heaven, earth and all beings, dwells in a body to which it is indifferent, taking no account of what its senses convey to it, and knowing all by global knowledge in its motionless unity. That spirit, absolutely independent, is the master of men; if he cared to call them all together in their multitude, they would all rally on the appointed day; but he has no desire for their serve

Zhuangzi - chapter 5

I spent the whole afternoon reading books on esotericism but you guys are too cringe

>>19708919
what stuff would you recommend?

>>19707047
Jung is more insightful than any of the larping traditionalists

>>19692765
That doesn't automatically make the concept of self an illusion - you could just as easily call it illumination. You could just as easily call it God if you were inclined.

>>19709744
Guenon > Jung > Evola

>>19705560
>imagine thousands of years of enlightment to say the same shit some beyonceiney huoston would say.

>>19710274
>nooooo I need words and concepts
blow it out your ass

>>19710283
go with frank sinatra singing about how you are what you are with a cup of wine and a tuxedo, you faggot.

>>19710325
Absolutely seething pseud. Be less insecure

>>19710326
remember. i am what i am too. you literally cant touch me. your concepts like pseud, seethe and insecure are just nonsense to me, they are just your own insignificance, it feels so good to be retarded.

>>19710345
Now you're getting it

>>19710350
>he thinks ego inflation is ego death
anon...

>>19710361
Did you reply to the wrong post? This has nothing to do with anything I said

>>19691992
Take some mushrooms bro

>>19705429
Leave it to "buddhists" to not know a single thing of their religion and proudly proclaim it.

>>19709658
Henry Corbin's En Islam Iranien

>>19710624
Based Corbin enjoyer

>>19708780
Zhou is describing the man as attaining Wu Wei. There is no ego-death here.

>>19691992
>kill their sense of Self
do you think that's what death of the ego is referring to?

>>19710967
The spirit mentioned in that passage that is “higher than heaven, earth and all beings” and “dwelling in a body to which it is indifferent”, is the supraindividual Absolute

>>19710624
Corbin is a legend

>>19691992
Frank Yang unironically. You may want to mentally filter his sexual degeneracy, though.

>>19711374
he seems like he's just a druggie

>>19705248
This is like the plot of an f gardner novel lmao

>>19712148
Pretty much

>>19711643
he is. the poster you're replying to is a shill

>>19711643
>>19712386
Well if you don't pay attention to what he says and are totally filtered by sexual imagery then you must think that. He doesn't do drugs.

>>19712397
he does drugs, plays video games, does gym normie shit etc...
I really don't see why he would be insightful. If you think hes so good send me a video of his to watch which can actually be learnt from. All the stuff I've seen looks unwatchable.

>>19712470
agreed

>>19691992
>I'm fucking tired of hearing this 24/7 in all spiritual/esoteric/religious paths, so far I have only found 2 authors who don't try to kill their sense of Self to become braindead animals, that is Nimrod de Rosario and Julius Evola
Anon there's a difference between dissolving the self and transcending the self. Evola writes about this too, as does Guenon. Check what they had to say about "neo-spiritualism", theosophy and all the dissolutionist gay shit. On the flip side, transcending the ego is a very traditional, spiritual thing to do. It's the highest peak of spirituality and naturally expected of every ambitious initiate. Transcending the self does not mean becoming a dumb, passive or unthinking animal submerged in social or utilitarian spirituality - it simply means expanding your sense of self beyond the conditioned existence that you now have. It's the exact opposite of dissolving the ego.

>>19712470
His thoughts/thots video and his new consciousness coaching series

>>19713262
Which books of Guenon & Evola deal with this topic in the most detail?

>>19713710
I am not sure, Evola tends to talk about the same topics in many different texts to different levels of detail, so I have pieced together what I know about his opinions from various sources that I don't keep track of. I just briefly checked Ride the Tiger and the chapter called "The Spiritual Problem" towards the end might contain some descriptions of the issue.
To sum things up for you - generally, not for that chapter - the issue with "transcending the self" today is that there are a lot of groups that turn that goal into "abolishing the self" - these groups adopt a pantheist perspective and worship undifferentiated life, where passively becoming one with the mass, the collective and with nature is posited as the ultimate good. The traditional conception actually implies liberation and detachment from all of those things, but at the same time also liberation and detachment from the individual ego, so that the initiate can correctly identify with what lies above and beyond all of those material and terrestrial things. The latter leads closer to spiritual self-realisation, the former leads farther from it, into confusion, self-deception and inner collapse.

>>19713753
I will have a looksee anon. Often clear definations of terms are very helpful to people on such a path as ours

God is Reality. The Totality of Existence.
God is Pure Light and Pure Love.
God is Alone. God is Solitude.
God is the Divine Ground of Being.
All phenomena exist in God and are God.

The soul can be made aware of their Divine Ground of Being, due to the virtue of their own existence(God is Pure Being). "Before Abraham was, I AM!"

In the mystical state, the awareness of the soul is replaced by the awareness of God.
God is your Ultimate Self, your True and Final Self.

>>19713841
Good meme. If you have any questions, ask me now, I still have some time before I go. Otherwise, good luck with your search.

>>19713950
No worries anon, you have been helpful enough as it is. I wish you good luck as well

>>19713956
Thank you anon.

>>19713925
Based post

>>19713925
monistranny drivel

>>19691992
Dissolving the ego is an ecstatic act similar to ejaculation or death, but one should come down from the mountain and become man again. The combination of Dionysus and Apollo is where it’s at.

>>19713651
just watched his thoughts/thots video and the only spirituality related stuff is the exact generic we are one that OP is talking about. Also the video is definitely edited in a very druggy and deranged way

>>19713651
Ok I have also watched bits of his first consciousness coaching stuff and he literally talks about ego death which is yet another thing OP opposes. and I also think this guy is very wrong when he says that he is enlightened.

>>19713925
This is false, God is not his creation. Neither you or me are God.

>>19691992
>He prefers to flow against the Tao

NGMI

>>19713841
>>>The concept of death so thoroughly BTFO of Man that he had to invent all of these copes

It's sad, really

>>19692355
Holy fucking based

>>19715368
Speak for yourself hylic

>>19710967
brainlet. try being indifferent to your senses or being indifferent to life or death without dropping the illusion of self

>>19691992
What about hegel?

>>19696479
Then why are indians street shitters?
Does their philosophy lead to this state or the people who wrote those books since departed india for europe?

>>19703775
Fucking jews think god sets traps cos that’s what they all understand. Fucking pottery.

>>19703783
Memories are material tho. They can be lost or artificially created.

>>19704846
A god that is forced to play in a cheap play. Pathetic.

>>19705248
How to know what you thought you forget is actually from Satan and not true?

Protip: you can’t

>>19705560
Based and yahwehpilled.

>>19715707
>IT'S ALL DEMONS AAAAAAAAH
thank you for your contribution christer

>>19713262
Another guy who didn't understand Evola, great

>>19708780
Based.

>>19715675
Dysgenic caste system, brutal subjugation, and many such factors. Greece, Egypt are a shell of their former selves too. India was treated harshly as it was the only pagan land in the world ruled by fanatic abrahamicists.

>>19715862
The caste system was probably one of the few things which prevented India deteriorating more quickly than it did.

>>19715687
seethe & cope
you will never be a woman
you will never be God

>>19716018
Get thee hence satan.

>>19716055
it is satan who promises people to "be like gods". it is demons that appear to people in altered states of consciousness preaching non-duality. don't trust? go look for impressions from druggies who had non-dual experiences with beings preaching non-duality

the clearest example of a person under demonic influence and that preached non-duality among other new age bullshit was that terence mckenna.

people with no discernment should not attempt anything esoteric, much less identifying their selves as God

>>19691992
cringe

>>19716078
I did not indicate otherwise you spawn of hell. Satan has many tricks. One of which is making you think that God set traps. You seed of thieves and robbers.

>>19716168
that's not what i think, that is what junayd said and zaehner cites. what makes you think junayd believes in that literally?

>spawn of hell
>satan
>seed of thieves and robbers

what the heck is your problem? i try to atone for my sins, i do not larp as enlightened, god, mystic etc. go bother someone else, you are the one apparently troubled

>>19716192
It was apparent from my first reply that I attacked junayd’s opinion and not yours. Then you started screeching autistically in 4chan jargon. Anyway Godspeed in your spiritual journey anon. I hope you find what you seek.

>>19716192
About what makes me think he thinks it literally, well because it is the islamic thinking. Quran states it clearly that Allah is the best deceiver.

>>19692055
Yes.

>>19716290
i thought you were a non-dualist since you acted antipathic towards jews, which they often do so i made that silly post about one never being God, which is still valid for non-dualists

>>19716313
I am not sure where would that come from. Kabbalah is non dualistic as well.

>>19716303
>Quran states it clearly that Allah is the best deceiver.
The best of planners, not deceivers

>>19716362
yes and a big part of sufism too. still doesn't stop anons from attacking jews and abrahamic religions in general while they shill a theosophic take on advaita or taoism

>>19716366
Continue with your deception and or ignorance. Well, deception and ignorance are the same thing anyway.

>>19716410
>la la la not listening
I dont know why I waste the effort

>>19716417
I am listening but you are lying or not aware of your folly. It says Allah is the best deceiver. You look at the root of the arabic verb you see.

Alas they have eyes but they do not see.

>>19716394
Mystics in abrahamic religions are stating those insights against the orthodoxy in their religion unlike the eastern ones. There are no reasons not to condemn these religions or their subsequent larpers.

>>19691992
Killing the Self doesn't mean understanding that you are merely a drop of water in the vast ocean, but understanding that you aren't merely a drop of water in the vast ocean, but the vast ocean itself. Put it this way and it may appeal more to you.

>>19715318
>>19715342
As far as I remember, he mentions the equivalence between nirvana and samsara in almost every video. He considers killing the ego as a preliminary step in true awakening which is found in the simultaneous recognition of both particularity and universality. Perhaps you should watch his non-duality videos. "You Are (Not) God" comes to mind although I don't recall it's exact contents. So no, he is not against OP.
The visuals are supposed to aid your perception.

233 posts of assblasted monadfags that someone doesn't likes what they like

The absolute state.

>>19716835
non duality and ego death are the exact things that OP is against though. 'We are One' is basically the doctrine of the non dual worldview. Also Evola and Rosario are very different from Yang and they are much more profound (yes even Evola). Yang is just another one of those Leo Gura type influencers.

>>19717160
agreed

>>19716100
Based post deserving of more recognition. After reading Evola's/the Traditional interpretation of Hermeticism, I listened to Mckenna's interpretation since he was posted a lot, and I had to laugh. It was a joke.

>>19713710
The intro to magic trilogy goes really in depth, that is the best work of Evola to understand initiation. Guenon only talks about it from a theoretical perspective, Evola goes really into detail about what it actually means from a practical standpoint, if you can understand what they are saying through the symbols.

>>19691992
The problem with this line of thinking is that is doesn't have any answer to the question that follows, which most religions do.
>so what?

>>19709744
>>19710223
Jung was an idiot completely outside of his field when tackling spirituality. The fact that you think he has any redeeming qualities in this regard indicates that you know very little about such things. His interpretation of Hermeticism/Alchemy was idiotic, both Evola and Guenon rightly trashed it as worse than Freud. You haven't read Evola's work on Hermeticism or you didn't understand it if you did.

>>19717160
>'We are One' is basically the doctrine of the non dual worldview.

Non-duality is being and becoming simultaneously. Form is emptiness and emptiness is form vs form is form. Yang often gives the image of your ego being like a droplet that becomes subsumed into the ocean of all sensations in meditative practice. But then he critiques the very people you conflate him with by saying that in the end, even the distinction between the ocean and the droplet must be emptied, and then you are once more just a mere droplet.

>>19691992
yes. me. i am the author who does this. read every inch of my digital footprint and you will find enlightment.