/lit/ - Literature

>>19660896
They've secured a public image that they don't really hold much power anymore, when nothing could be further from the truth.

>>19660896
The Secret Word is Ma-Ha-Bone. So I guess that spoils the end of the story.

>>19660916
Any books on the topic, then?

Join a local lodge and they will send you more books about their history and rituals than you could ever want. Happened to me. I didn't even pay the membership fees, but they kept sending these bricks that I kept tossing. I never responded to emails and eventually they started sending them as registered packages because presumably they wanted to make sure I was actually receiving their latest larp research or whatever. When I didn't collect their registered packages I guess they assumed I died or something so they eventually stopped.

>>19660916

It's basically social clubs for upper middle class wankers. It doesn't confer any power as such, but knowing all the important people in a town can be extremely useful.

>>19660958
>It's basically social clubs

>>19660916
People who talk about muh freemasons or muh jesuits are just dumb boomers that are afraid of being called antisemitic but want to seem edgy

>>19660958
That's only the lower levels, the higher ones are obviously quite secretive. As to what influence those higher levels have on other spheres of society, well that's also necessarily going to be secretive, that being literally the point.

>>19660988
You can believe Jews control the freemasons, but to say the organisation doesn't hold any power is simply blind.

>>19660938
Any recommendation if I want a cursory glance, without having to initiate myself?

>>19660990

That's not how power incentives work. You underestimate how important it is to just know the right people, and overestimate the utility of active conspiracy for individuals.

>>19661000
I find that particular debate pointless. "Is this tiny group of conspiratorial porple who control everything mostly jewish or mostly Europeans". Does it really matter

>>19661009
You underestimate the power of blackmail and murder

>>19661026


Kek, what YA novel is this?

>>19661033
Jeffrey Epstein and the chamber of secrets

>>19661016
The difference is it's not tiny, it's enormous. I explicitly said the question isn't about who the tiny group at the top is, but that the structure of the freemasons is extremely powerful.

>>19660931
If you don’t mind more academic things, triumph of the moon is a good place to begin, it’s focused on Wicca but shows how it evolved out of other occultic practices including free masonary and similar groups.

An important thing to remember when approaching it is that it is more of a model of organising (kind of like soccer or other sporting groups) than a monolithic and united body. It’s why there is such a huge variation in the actions and beliefs of different Masonic groups around the world and historically.

>>19661045
How could you understand their goals without understanding the top level?

>>19660896
Have you watched Cremaster?

>>19661057
I never said you could, but that's not what we're arguing here you absolute smoothbrain.

>>19661049
Thanks man.

Maurice Caillet - I was a freemason
I don't know if you can find it in English, but if you can read any of the romance languages just buy it and start reading. Or read anything else by Caillet on the subject.

>>19661060
The OP asks about their goals

>>19661073
To summon Satan upon the world, it's so fucking obvious holy shit

>>19661073
That's not what this conversation is about.

>>19661082
Maybe. But a)does satan actually exist, and b)isn't inconceivable wealth and power enough motive

>>19661092
>a)does satan actually exist
They don't care, because the aim itself of summoning Satan gives them, in the praxis, maximum satisfaction, and inconceivable wealth and power
>b)isn't inconceivable wealth and power enough motive
Material reasons are never the only thing that moves the élites in power. It has never been so.

>>19661063
Noted.

>>19661109
What is it s psychological thing then? They get off on larping about le demonic whatever

>>19661092
Well, all the things which seem Satanic to us are also systematically breaking down any opposition to their wealth and power.

Watch Forces Occultes, anti-Freemasonic film by Collaborationist France, the director Jean Mamy was a Freemason in the 30s. It spills the beans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-rIyvzLnrw

>>19660896
Does anyone else here live within walking distance of a lodge? I do. It's located in a kind of cozy cul de sac out of all places. It's also near the post office.

As a tangent here is a fun incident - a man who hated the Catholic Church made up bunch of stories about Freemasons worshiping Satan and summoning demons so that he could later embarrass them them for taking his fan fiction seriously

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

Lynn F. Perkins

>>19661118
They're different things honestly. A ruler could have absolute power but not do "satanic" things. You could argue that these satanic things weaken the people and so make resistance or usurpers less likely I guess.

I also find using the word satanic to mean roughly "unnatural, cruel, inversion", to be kind of retarded if you dont actually believe Satan exists. It just makes it sound silly if it's not actually an entity out there. Like it begs the question what natural order you're even referring to that the satanic forces are corrupting

>>19660988
no, masons would exist without jews too, it's just that their goals are so similar that it's barely distinguishable. in short, masons are anglo americans that act like white jews. the only reason they're less relevant is because jews are much better at it

>>19661173
Historically the values of the populace have never been eroded away as much as today. Even in a traditional tyranny, even if it were supremely powerful, there were large masses of the populace that disagreed with it or held strong to their own values.

One can describe something as 'Satanic', while not believing in Hell or the Devil literally because one has values nonetheless. Whether one can rationally hold certain values without believing in the full dogma of a religion is a question not necessary to broach here.

>>19661205
The relativity of values is itself a proposition associated with satanism though lol.

>>19661173
>don't use the word satanic cause it may confuse atheist midwits
fuck off secularization is cringe and i prefer that autheists and leftshits get filtered from the discussion from the beginning

>>19660896
William Cooper’s “Behold A Pale Horse” is well worth reading. James H. Billington’s “Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith” is also well-worth reading, being about the connection between secret societies (such as the Freemasons) and political revolutions throughout history (such as the French Revolution, particularly), his hypothesis being that they basically worked somewhat like intelligence agencies and training grounds for disseminating revolutionary ideas and messianic ideals of themselves as the ones bringing liberty to the oppressed masses with ideas of justice, equality, and freedom (or, in the terms of the French Revolution — “ Liberté, égalité, fraternité” — inspired by Masonic mottos and ideas, as Billington makes clear), even if suffering and bloodshed had to be risked to make this utopia. Billington also gets into how these same ideas later were appropriated by and/or similar to Marxist theory and thereby the Russian Revolution.

Cooper himself, coming from an entirely different, more conspiratorial, sensational, less formal angle, said decades ago that secret societies run the world and their plan is to subjugate the planet under totalitarian socialism. Today, with BLM (a Marxist group), Antifa, institutionalized critical race theory widespread throughout society and the education system, as well as Klaus Schwab’s/the World Economic Forum’s infamous “Great Reset”, this seems to be coming to fruition — and, frighteningly enough, it seems as if the general tenor of it is anti-White (using these ideals to destroy Western White society and reshape it into a multicultural globalist dystopia overseen by a small elite, using migrant crises, liberal teachings, leftist paramilitary groups on the street intimidating Whites and conservatives, and political correctness/cancel culture/censorship as the new Bolshevism).

>>19661228
I am agnostic about the existence of Satan and dont see how you could possibly know unless he came right out and visited you.

That's not my point though really, its about how people use the word satanic without really meaning satanic, which is an inversion of a divine order. Inversion itself is obviously relative to a given state of things.

>>19661258
no one asked about your beliefs and people talk about the inversion of the Christian order

>>19661286
Stop crying first of all. Satanic only means anything if there is a specific christ and a Satan. The guy I was speaking to was just talking about "values", which might exist regardless of these entities, which really can be anything.

>>19661230
Why did the elite allow the Soviet Union to fall if they wanted totalitarian socialism ?

>>19660896
1666 Redemption through Sin

>>19660916
t. freemason

>>19660896
reddit: the cult

>>19661221
>you can't believe in relativism without believing in literal Satan and Hell

FBI Records- protocals of learned elders of zion. page 5 is where the protocalls start and page 7 i think is the mention and explanation of the masons

>>19661522
You obviously can believe in relativism without being satanic. You cant believe satnism means anything if you believe in relativism.

>>19660896
https://esotericawakening.com/trail-of-the-serpent-stoddard-christina-m

>>19660896
Read the Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall to understand their beliefs a bit more. He was a Master Mason. Also read his book "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry".

I can also recommend Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry". Pike was also a Master Mason.

Personally I would recommend understanding Western esoteric philosophy and especially gnosticism if you're interested in Freemasons and other secret societies, because once you understand their foundational ideologies everything becomes clear regarding their goals, history, and current endeavours. This knowledge is especially useful today, and you would be surprised how many seemingly unrelated things in politics and world events are in fact connected and decipherable if only you understand occult symbolism.

>>19661328
It's a Hegelian dialectic.

>>19661150
making the hylics seethe
based as fuck

>>19660988
Actually a good way of putting it.

Freemasons in America are a boomer meme (both anti-masons and the masons themselves). That said some of the Continental Freemasons are actual weirdos who did a lot of fucked shit in the 20th century like killing the president of Ecuador and basically undermining French military sovereignty under the pretense of maintaining militant secularism.

>>19661150
This was happening at the same time that the Freemasons in France were actually fucking with the French military just because of how much they hated Catholicism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_Fiches

Required /lit/zophrenia
>Secret teachings of all ages
>Behold a pale horse
>Morals and Dogma

>>19662476
Continental freemason is absolutely fucked up. Its exploits range from attempted fascist coups in Italy, successful military coups in South America and worst of all allowing women and atheists to join. I can't even comprehend how they went from one to the other, I can only wonder what Napoleon's marshals would have thought about this.

>>19660896
hiram abiff and solomon's temple

>>19660896
Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. Gives you all fundamentals on Freemasonry, don't expect to read anything morally reprobate in there, these things are never mentioned for a reason.

Reading books on Hermeticism and Gnosticism gives you a good idea what they believe in and what their end goal is. My knowledge about it accumulated over the years from disconnected sources, but the Corpus Hermeticum, Book of Enoch and The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley should give you good insight for starters.

>>19661049
>An important thing to remember when approaching it is that it is more of a model of organising (kind of like soccer or other sporting groups) than a monolithic and united body.
This is a very, very important point. It is a decentralized set of local bodies with limited, but available communication and a general sense of fraternity. It is very easy for powerful or organized individuals and chapters to exert influence but is in no way any indication that all are involved.

>>19660896
Read Tempel der Freimaurer by Konrad Lerich (more critical) it contrasts well with Morals and Dogma by Pike (more affirmative).

>>19663696
this is good advice.

Another thing you should know is that in the 17th century dutch freemasonic organizations forced german lodges to accept jew. The lodges in the dutch republic were always corrupt but the corruption of general freemasonry beyond the obvious internationalist and liberal angle (against the church, against the crown, against the people) happened then and there.

>>19661003
There's probably torrents out there with that information. Visiting a lodge/library in person is perhaps one of the weirdest experiences you can do in your area.

>>19662312
hall was an honorary mason

The book Treasure Islands by Nicholas Shaxson is about offshore financial havens and how those came to be and how they're used to hide wealth and avoid tax, and how finance became a kind of new colonialism, to extract wealth from lands abroad and screw citizens here. It's interesting and important in its own right and it's by a major publisher and got normie reviews.

Shockingly though, he names Masons several times, and talks about how these financial/ political/ influence networks are heavily influenced by Masonic connections.

https://www.loc.gov/resource/mgw2.021/?q=Illuminati&sp=182&st=text

>"I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me.9 The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely, the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstanding, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am &c."

-- George Washington

>>19664767
which probably explains why his writings were better written than anything that comes out from under the pen of a master mason
not that you become a mason because the blazes of literature make you produce more of the same...

>>19663338
This is the only relevant post

Was there any good book recc ITT?

>>19665081
Treasure Islands

Follow the footnote in the George Washington link, it links to it book he's talking about

>>19663338
>>19665076
Schizo here. [Meds never taken]. Those are the books.

>>19663696
>don't expect to read anything morally reprobate in there
What kind of stuff are we talking about here?

>>19663370
Anglo-American freemasonry is basically just a social club for old dudes, the continentals are the ones who actually want to continually fuck with society, motivated by seemingly nothing other than a hateboner against Catholicism

>>19660896
freemasonry is satanic and they do evil stuff behind people's back. get saved before it's too late /lit/, it's easy to get to heaven despite what the catholic & protestant false prophets that teach work salvation will tell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOv_kvk4M8

happy new year

>>19660896
It was a Pagan secret society where revolutionary minded people were dominant in a time where almost everyone was a Christian. Freemasonry played a central role in both the American and French Revolutions, the two events that brought freedom of religion in a world where only Judeo Christianity was allowed. The famous quote of Albert Pike about Lucifer and Freemasonry gets misinterpreted. What it actually says is that Masonry was founded on Luciferian principles and he expresses the desire to keep it that way, implying that it changed. Furthermore he actually praises Adonai which is another name of the god of Abraham, the enemy of Satan Lucifer. Writings from the beggining of the 19th century claim that Weishaupt's Illuminati subverted Freemasonry and it is evident it's true. Freemasons like Franklin (who also attended Hellfire Club cerimonie) and Fouché used serpent symbolism, in fact the serpent was the symbol of America before the bald eagle. The serpent was also part of Elizabethan culture as the portraits of the queen show. The two pillars with the sun and moon also appear in that historical context on the cover of Dee's Mona Hieroglyphica.
The Masonic Luciferian New World Order is undeniable in the latter half of the 18th century.
I'm also interested in books about Freemasonry.

>>19660958
>social club
This line doesn't work anymore. If they were a social club they'd be a social club. The Freemasons objectively go much deeper than that and that's not even commenting on their integrity.

>>19667773
Pls kill yourself for posting that retard.

>>19661522
Relativism is a Satanic belief. Whether you believe in Satan or not is irrelevant.

>>19662312
A Master Mason is only the 3rd degree tho

>>19661026
you underestimate the power of my dick in your mom kek

>>19661039
would read

>>19661057
maybe the top level doesn't have such a tight control over the lower levels

>>19661059
american football, racing sidecars and zeppelins?

>>19661228
you are not OP though
make your own satanist thread

>>19667725
Wish this was more well-understood. Anglo freemasonry pretty thoroughly dislikes, and has no official relationship with, continental masonry. To the point that they will excommunicate members who dabble in the continental stuff.