/lit/ - Literature

>>19649326
What do you mean by value?

>>19649326
That if I wanted to remain sane and happy that I should avoid reading Schopenhauer

I have learned that 99% of it is utter crap. The exceptions are the ones more grounded in reality. Kant and all the others are pure crap. But even then you realize that even the philosophers who speak some sense are still pretty clueless, and that one only needs Jesus Christ in his life in order to live well.

>>19649344
>Needs Jeebups Cry-sst to...

Stopped reading right there.

>>19649337
good joke

>>19649344
>I have learned that 99% of it is utter crap.
You never read a 100 philosophy books.

>>19649360
He means 99% of one book

If you're living according to some other dead faggots personally philosophy then you're living wrong.

I'd rather not tell you.

>>19649326
That philosophy is a genre of art. Just like an artist try to interpret the world within his own framework same thing goes for philosophy too. Value is a subjective term but yes philosophy opened up my mind and gave me the opportunity to discover Truth and salvation. Reading philosophy also gives you a certain pride(at least mentally or spiritually) even if you're poor, knowledge is power kinda thing.

>>19649326
Plato makes some interesting points about drinking in Laws that have modified my own drinking habits. Since I'm in the US drinking is a major social activity among young people. I've never liked it much but Plato helped me find value in it as a social outlet and measure of self-control. Montaigne has a good essay on it too but with the opposite conclusion

>>19649379
So you can't name one thing

>>19649326
I can't say there's any single-greatest lesson I learned from it, and I wouldn't say I'm a strict adherent to it, but Marcus Aurelius's Meditations had a very huge impact on me which I'm grateful for. it really was an awakening in a sense. up until that point, in my 19 years of living, I was living very passively. there were some things I would think about, and I had some self-awareness about me, but not nearly as much as after I read that book. it was embarassing to an extent, to realize how passively I was living life, how unaware I was of my motivations, my thoughts, the motivations and thoughts of those around me, how people likely perceived me, how I perceived them.

>>19649326
I fear death less than i used to.
It's inescapable and out of my reach. It's not worth worrying about it.

>>19649390
Well you can say learning philosophy gives you power

>>19649326
Cicero helped me to understand that all philosophy should be done solely to support the elites of the public thing, and encourage traditional religion and morality, without ever becoming bogged down in intellectual philosophy which is forever prone to natural skepticism.

>>19649451
I don't know about that.

>value
Every day I know less, but feel more.

>reading philosophy for "self-help" and "moralizing"
>not reading philosophy to understand the development and history of thought

>>19649326
Don't waste your time with philosophy unless you want to have a better conception of God or if you want to use it to justify your politics.

>>19649326
That life might be shit but the best way to rebel against that is to live on and strive even if we know we'll fail. It also gave me a healthy respect for apparently schizo beliefs that turn out to be tenable, or at least, able to be constructed in a more or less rigorous way that forces you to engage with them seriously, like the existence of God or some kind of absolute, eternal recurrence, infinite regresses, etc.

>>19649326
Well, reading philosophy & differing worldviews can help us develop new perspectives, and help us attain greater cognitive flexibility. In turn, it also makes it easier for us to make connections between new concepts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Engaging in philosophical discussion also helps us to avoid our built-in cognitive biases, making us more creative

The most dangerous and ignorant worldviews tend to be black-and-white. If you can remain open to these new subjects, they may not provide all the answers, but can at least benefit all of us with new perspectives and ideas

>>19649392
This. Meditations was by far the most impactful philosophy book and changed my life for the better. That said Plato was also really helpful in terms of how it thought me to think in A certain way

>>19649480
stfu

>>19649326
Philosophy teaches you methods of thought. Little maxims and factoids are just stray benefits. Plato, Descartes, Kant (maybe Schopenhauer instead), Nietzsche and Cioran are what I'd recommend to most people. Not because they're "TRUTH" but because of their paths of thought + entertainment value (all philosophy is entertaining to those who engage in it)

>>19649973
For modes of thought, need to read Foucault or Heidegger if you've read Nietzsche in my opinion. Geneological, historical and Being-centered thinking is all in Fritz's œuvre.

>>19649981
NO* need. Typo.

>>19649984
Sorry for shitting up the place w/ 4 seperate posts (i'm tired) but I absolutely have to add Whitehead to the list and maybe the only phenomenologist worth reading in the current year, "Body and World" by Samuel Todes

>>19649973
also that's not to say the stray benefits are meagre or sparse, they just aren't the main benefit of engaging with philosophy. There are definitely some nuggets of wisdom all over philosophy, but those are usually contained explicitly in the Moralist writings (Montaigne-Cioran) and implicitly in literature.

>>19649338
But schop wrote a book on how to live a good life.

>>19650026
>Don't care and listen to music
I mean it's not bad advice, but I was hoping for something more.

>>19649326
I have learned nothing.

>>19649460
So you learned to be a cuck

>>19650026
Schopenhauer inherited so much money from his father that he never worked in his whole life. I can't imagine Schopenhauer as a wageslave middle class fag writing that book as a Pessimist. Ligotti wrote The Conspiracy Against the Human Race and he is from working class background.

>>19650053
Disturbs me people think that a writer not being a slave is somehow a repudiation.

>>19650851
Well Schopenhauer himself admitted that if it wasn't for his inheritance he would've never wrote his Magnum opus. I am not disagreeing with his pessimism but I am saying that with wealth one can spend a less shitty life. I live in 3rd world and I would say that large chunk of problems here are financial. Money causes so much suffering that it's ridiculous to ignore this factor.

>>19649344
another christer who hates philosophy

>>19650873
Oh sorry, I genuinely thought you were implying something completely different.

Schopenhauer taught me that happiness is a fleeting feeling that comes and goes, it should never be a goal in life because it can never be permanently attained.

>>19649326
I call him the reconsiliator. Because that's what he does. He just brings everything into perspective.

>>19649326
That I should dance.

>>19649326
Ask questions. Consider the multiplicity of perspectives. Doubt them all.

>>19650873
He only said that as an oblique jab against Hegel and friends being university professors who got paid to philosophise. I.E. 'I had the intellectual freedom to write this work, which, if I'd been under the constraint of a state-sanctioned job I'd never have been able to write due to how daringly ingenious and rebellious it is.

>>19649326
Define what it means for a concept to be 'learned' by an individual

>>19651414
But there is Truth to that statement. Most of great artists of past were from wealthy families. Art is fundamentally bourgeois.

>>19651403
based.

>>19649392
So now you're more active? Or are you just more aware of your ongoing passivity?
>>19651431
define concept
define individual
I think most of you just learned to ask more questions instead of answering them.

>>19649326
Nietzsche: Stand your ground, know yourself and your worth, don´t trust dogma, become a better you.

Arelius: Some things you can´t change. Just accept the past and take whats been given. Be a man and do the right thing. Don´t let your mind be disrupted by the flux of being.

Aristotle: Be moderate. Strive to be virtious. His list of virtues are great qualities to have.

Plato: Escape the cave, remember there are shadows on the wall. Search for the sun. Wherever the winds of reason take us, there we must sail. The best society is not necessarily the one you think at first. Have deep discussions with friends.

Locke: All the pwer is yours and it is up to you what freedom to give away.

Spinoza: The world is rational and so are you.

Hegel. The hermeneutic circle is not a circle but a spiral which raises itself upwards. So do you, society and nature.

Rousseau: The will of the folk is an actual force which must be recognized.

Jung: The language of the mind is one of symbols.

All of the abowe helped me to cope with life. To understand people and the society they constitute. As a mere man I cannot pierce the veil. But it has given me knowledge of the veil and the tools to glimpse behind it. I am no longer a slave to circumstance, the indoctrination from society, surroundings or even my own biological (personal) inclinations but a free and independent intellect. One who has realized the connection between my own and the divine intellect.

But MOST IMPORTANTLY. I know wether someone is full of shit and I can, with confidence, separate the bullshit from reasonable speech. The most beautifull and usefull gift of all.

>>19651603
The rare effortpost. I'm not OP but thanks for sharing.

>>19649326
nothing of value was learned

>>19651603
It's time for you to read Sextus Empiricus

Assassin's Creed: nothing is true, everything is permitted.

>>19651800
You jumped out of the window rather than taking stairs? I am glad you took stairs my dogmatic friend.

>>19651806
That's a maxim of "Hassan-i Sabbah" the leader of original assassins.

>>19651833
That's cool. Learned something new today.

Does this assassin fellow have any writings?

>>19649350
>Stopped reading there
You mean at the very end? This is what most of us do

>>19651833
I am not sure but Jorjani mentioned something about the order of Assassin in the middle of this talk. But you should listen to the whole thing it is interesting

https://youtu.be/zwWP75r6owQ

This >>19651871 was for >>19651849

>>19649326
i don't read philosophy to learn anything or extract any value. i read it because my stupid brain is insatiable and won't stop thinking. wish i could return to monke but i don't have a choice.

As a mentally ill retard, Machiavelli taught me to stop feeling ashamed of myself, to do what my situation necessitates, which has pretty much solved my problems. This is just the first thing that comes to my mind when I think about the practical uses of philosophy.

>>19650026
>>19650032
>>Don't care and listen to music
>Mfw I was right all along.

>>19650873
>I am saying that with wealth one can spend a less shitty life. I live in 3rd world and I would say that large chunk of problems here are financial. Money causes so much suffering that it's ridiculous to ignore this factor.
Enlightened anon. I came to similar conclusions lately.

>>19651403
Based. Everyone reading this please strive to dance well with a pretty girl.

>>19649344
>I have learned that 99% of it is utter crap.
This applies to anything related to Humanity, not just philosophy.

>>19651821
>he doesn't use windows to enter and exit
ngmi

>>19649326
I've learned that none of it is the be-all-end-all gospel. More importantly, religious and conservative philosophy got me out of the liberal mindset of progress where everything in existence must always PROGRESS according to dubiously defined metrics or else everything sucks and is meaningless. There is no progress, no utopia. The world moves in cycles and is largely out of our control. It's helped me let go stop looking for meanings in ideologies that demand that you regard the present as intolerable and the past as irredimable.

>>19654281
pretty based

>>19651488
>So now you're more active? Or are you just more aware of your ongoing passivity?
I am more active, but I meant that I'm more aware and thoughtful of what I do. before I gave much of what I did little to no thought. not to say I'm completely active in that sense now, but certainly much more so than before having read the book.

>>19649344
Based and Christ loving

>>19649326
More intellectuals are hacks.

Reality is not that complicated.

The complicated thing is to accept what is hard to know and what we probably will never know.

Because of the aftermentioned point most intellectuals just fill the "ideas spaces" with complete and absolute bullshit.

So we go back to the first point. Most intellectuals are hacks.

>>19651603
you are a great man anon
thanks for the post

>>19649326
It's all proud human intellectually constructed sophism all ending is pointless and meaningless nihilism and thus can all be disregarded for the foolish inanity that it truly is.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."

"For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,11whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain."