/lit/ - Literature

>>19650741
Why would I bother justifying anything to you? Your a non-entity.

>everything is a LARP
Dumb christcuck

>>19650784
Everything that doesn't involve divinizing a pallid, histrionic Jew, yes.

Mostly just teens trying to be different because they were deprived of attention when young

>>19650784
>>19650792
I'm not a christian. And you are not pagans

>>19650798
There has to be a name for them. This butchery of ancestral history as a way to distance themselves from the masses by becoming essentially the religious versions of trannies is beyond disgusting.

>>19650799
Never claimed to be
>butchery of ancestral history
What would not be a butchery from your perspective? You seem to be desperately upset that people have become aware about pre-Christian splendor and beauty throughout the Mediterranean, as well as its philosophical superiority even compared to the modern world.

>>19650811
They realize there is something deeply wrong with the erasure of culture, in part due to the Christian mindset of dumping ancestry in the ground and forgetting about it. Most of them have just been burned by christcucks being retarded christcucks and want nothing to do with it but are still religious. Then there is the elephant in the room that the categorical and ritual focus of the occult is a form of OCD management. Those have been my observations, at least.

>>19650741
>the most profound way to study theology
Is to dismiss it

>>19650821
I just don't like religious transvestites. If you want to simply gawk at the greatness of the past then fine. Turn the whole world into just one massive museum. By all means read Plato, just don't pretend to be any smarter than you actually are.

>>19650855
What are you even complaining about? It seems like you're just venting about someone who pissed you off in another thread.

>>19650855
>don't pretend to be any smarter than you actually are
Good advice

>>19650859
I just want books that tackle the phenomenon of modern "paganism"
Like confederacy of dunces but where Ignatius is a neopagan instead of a cath. Is that too much to ask?

>>19650889
It seems like you've literally invented something out of thin air to be angry about

>>19650896
I don't think I have. I personally know one and see plenty on the internet

>>19650846
The best part is when they say they hate "pacifism" but then they start angrily spinning around in their chairs when you mention the fact that "their" religion got destroyed by the supposed pacifists they hate. It's all pathetic really.

>>19650911
It's an extremely online thing. There are probably more practicing Wiccans than neo-pagans in the sense of westerners attempting reconstructed polytheism. Although maybe some of the Norse inspired groups are catching up. Either would be more written about than a generic neopaganism. But afaik no one has written a palette swap of A Confederacy of Dunces about it.

>not talking about wiccans here
you absolutely should be and this leads me to believe you have an axe to grind against chuds online.
the high school i teach at has a "crystal club". my 60 year old mother's yoga class involves burying crystals underneath plants at night to radiate the mother moon's glow. the wicca/tarot/new age section of my local new and used bookstores is perennially busy. it's not just whatever dumb young men you're angry at

>>19650926
>It's an extremely online thing
Yeah, definately. It's just annoying, like the hellenic interpreters who try and make every single pantheon fit into one unitary pantheon which just ends up being hellenism. The worst are the "apollonists" who believe all of history revolves around interracial cuckoldry between aryans and jews. Their core belief being that Dionysus is semetic and Apollo is aryan when Dionysus was one of the earliest dieties in greek culture and Apollo might actually have mesopotamian origins.

>>19650966
>when Dionysus was one of the earliest dieties in greek culture
are you sure about that one because i just read the opposite in two places recently (penguin classics' introduction to "The Theban Plays of Sophocles" and "The Oxford History of the Classical World"

>>19650952
>chuds
ishygddt
But yeah, wiccans suck

>>19650981
Huh, i'll be damned.
>Academics in the nineteenth century, using study of philology and comparative mythology, often regarded Dionysus as a foreign deity who was only reluctantly accepted into the standard Greek pantheon at a relatively late date, based on his myths which often involve this theme – a god who spends much of his time on earth abroad, and struggles for acceptance when he returns to Greece. However, more recent evidence has shown that Dionysus was in fact one of the earliest gods attested in mainland Greek culture.[15] The earliest written records of Dionysus worship come from Mycenaean Greece, specifically in and around the Palace of Nestor in Pylos, dated to around 1300 BC.[39]
Not only does that bastard Nestor have the most boring speeches in Homer he also makes me look like a fool online. Fuck you, Nestor.

>>19651008
>>19650981
One must also take into account Apollo's origins as a chthonic rather than a solar deity.

Historical or speculative fiction. It's where the History Channel overlaps with /sffg/. In most mmpb and pop sellers, putting the history/spirituality/sci-fi/fantasy stacks together limits the range of people with unusual washing habits. Normally the manga and bodice rippers are just behind it.
>tl;dr 50 years ago that's where the cowboy books were

>>19650918
The populace was converted at spearpoint for political reasons.

>>19651017
>One must also take into account Apollo's origins as a chthonic rather than a solar deity.
You're going to have to give me a QRD

>>19650741
>Are there any books that tackle the phenomenon of moderns pretending to be pagan like the ancients?
My diary.

>>19651076
Early depictions, the nature of accoutrements and symbols, and locations of shrines suggest a chthonic war god and psychopomp rather than a solar deity. His signs include the snake and his offerings were buried.

>>19651017
Apollo was foreign but not cthonic. It seems like you're actually arguing along the same lines as most so-called neopagans I've seen (that Dionysus was a more original God which existed among the pre-Doric substrate of Greece).

>>19651108
Post it then

>>19651123
I'm arguing that the mainstream Apollo is little like earlier iterations and may have some point become the conflation of two deities, one older and native.

>>19651158
In which case we are speaking of two different gods. Homer himself called Apollo an intruder from the north despite the God being central to the Hellenes. I mean there is a big enough reversal if what you said about the snake is true, because in his Doric depictions he is the killer of a large serpent. There would be almost no congruence.

>>19651193
Possibly, now that I think about it, it may have been speculation on Stratton-Kent's part, he likes to drop some absolutely batshit hot takes that sound really cool and are based in quite a bit of fact.

>>19650966
That's just some larpist idpol thing and I strongly doubt exists in person. It's not religious or communal. The actual Hellenistic period saw a great exchange of gods and the larpists are projecting the categories of their own time to a people for whom they would be entirely foreign. Classifying the racial or linguistic origins of a particular god is historical not spiritual. It implies atheism.