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>"One of the reasons that the gifted Hemingway never wrote a good novel was that nothing interested him except a few sensuous experiences, like killing things and fucking—interesting things to do but not all that interesting to write about. This sort of artist runs into trouble very early on because all he can really write about is himself and after youth that self—unengaged in the world—is of declining interest. Admittedly, Hemingway chased after wars, but he never had much of anything to say about war, unlike Tolstoy or even Malraux. I think that the more you know the world and the wider the net you cast in your society, the more interesting your books will be, certainly the more interested you will be".

>> No.19646892

>>19646878
Filtered atheist homo

>> No.19646895

>>19646878
Big words from someone who's even lesser than a minor writer and who's remembered for the controversial shit he said and did rather his work.

>> No.19646903

>>19646878
Penises are literally designed to go into vaginas. Why does the vagina self-lubricate when a woman is horny? In preparation to receive the penis, which gets hard for the same purpose. And what occurs when intercourse reaches its natural conclusion? Life. Here we can easily see that the telos of the penis is to penetrate the vagina, not another man's bumhole. Anyone who can't realise that is not worth listening to.

>> No.19646904

>>19646878
Completely agreed. Hemingway BTFO'd by one of his fellow homosexuals.

>> No.19646908

>>19646892
No, he’s right. Are you an aspiring writer? Take the advice.

>> No.19646923

>>19646908
Old man and the sea lends itself to many interpretations butters

>> No.19646959

>>19646923
Okay. I’m not judging Hemingway, I read one short story (two counting Baby Shoes) but he is known for being flat and plain speaking with themes of war and women troubles and war.
Not especially interesting to me because of his myopic view of the anarchists, but I try not to hold it against him.

>> No.19646968

>>19646959
What do you anarchists do if a large foreign military invades?

>> No.19646982

>>19646959
The tip of the iceberg is flat, plain and cold

>> No.19646989

>>19646959
You're the fake butterfly. The original butterfly literally loved Hemingway. Stop the larp, faggot.

>> No.19647001

>>19646878
I've read a lot of Hemingway and while he occasionally writes about killing, I would hardly say it's one of his most frequent themes. As for fucking, there is very little of that indeed. Not sure what GV is on about here.

>> No.19647022
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>>19646968
Pic related addresses this about the Spanish Revolution. They tried “workers seizing the means of production” method, long romanticized, but you have to cast a larger net. Organize 60+% or more.

>>19646989
What did I love about him? He’s alright. Not hating him.

>> No.19647124

>>19647001
he said those experiences interested him, not that he wrote about them

>> No.19647406

Based Vidal.

>> No.19647420

>>19647124
and what's wrong about that? what interested Vidal other than politics (pleb interest) or buttsex (degenerate interest)?

>> No.19647432

>>19646895
das right, get that foo, fuck dat muthafuka

>> No.19647433

>>19646959
Which story? I think Hills Like White Elephants (1927) completely contradicts the "flat" characterization. A Moveable Feast (1964) is also quite good.

>> No.19647594

>>19646878
I read his novel Julian and he kept implying that emperor Julian found his half-brother sexually attractive, which was weird (and I checked if there was any evidence for that and there wasn’t). In fact, his novel Julian is full of gay and pederastic characters. Julian’s own half-brother is described as engaging in lots of gay sex (although no evidence either). He even described Arintheus, who was historically a Gothic Roman army officer and a devout Nicenian Christian, as a pederast.

I checked to see if there was any of evidence for this and literally none. Oddly Vidal never implies or says all Christian priests were pederasts in his book, but I guess no catholic scandals yet when he wrote the book.

>> No.19647601

>>19647433
Well Lighted Place

>> No.19647617

>>19647601
Did you read it because Joyce recommended it or because Hemingway thought it was his best?

>> No.19647628

>>19647594
Gore didn’t find the priesthood sexy. It’s all about esthetic and surface. That’s why he hated on Hemingway: seeing only surface makes Hemingway seem dull.

>> No.19647659

>>19647617
Because anonymous recommended it.
It was okay.

>> No.19647664

>>19647594
do you know what a novel is

>> No.19647838

>>19646878
Very accurate. Manliness (yes, I know Hemingway was a fag that faked it) is essentially self involvement.

>> No.19647849

>>19646878
Gore Vidal was really one of the shittiest writers in American letters in the 20th century, and I don't even like Hemingway.
The way he admitted to getting filtered by Pynchon, Barth, Barthelme and others was utterly laughable.
He's a minor television personality at best. I am not from America and nobody here in my country even remembers he existed.

>> No.19647937

Perhaps I had read Hemingway during a strange time in my life, but afterwards I've considered most of the criticisms of his writing as pretty vain. It seemed to me that the strongest themes in Hemingway's writings were discomfort and suffering (though not in a manner that glorifies pessimism, by any means). On those grounds, I see no reason as to why anyone feels compelled to criticize him in such a vapid way; open to responses here, though, as it's been years and years since I've read anything from him