/lit/ - Literature

>>19599628
Destroy your computer. Get off the internet. Nothing good comes of this.

>>19599628
Dumbass. You were supposed to do an actual career and do writing on the side as a hobby. Not writing full time.

God, it's like every retard on earth makes the same mistakes every fucking time and nobody listens. Same with those music fags.

>>19599628
I wish I had your freedom. I'm some pathetic "programmer." I'm just a slave and I can't even code for shit. I wish I was writing and reading all day.

Having a job and/or going back to school and knocking out a page every morning would be an improvement. So...

>>19599628
Don't listen to the normoids sending you to work or school, they're just crabs in bucket. None of them will ever produce anything memorable.

Focus 100% of your will to breaking your shitty habits and start writing properly.

>>19599634
Honestly this is excellent advice.
Also quit being a try hard faggot.

>>19599628
you're an idiot. that's certain. your arrogance has led you down a hedonistic path that you thought was unique, somehow less indulgent than the lifestyles of those around you, but in reality you just wanted to avoid the hard work that even they got through to go somewhere in life. you just wanted to play videogames in a little shack where you believed you could magically become less shallow than the puddle of pig piss you are; obviously you couldn't.

Get the fuck back into society, you idiot. You aren't above anybody. We are all born from shit and die in shit. You are no better than "normies" and you aren't special for isolating yourself. Get a real job, gain skills, get a better job, and keep going whilst you try and learn how to actually write. You will write on the side. You will get better. If you're any good you will be noticed, and if not, at least you can take solace in the fact that you aren't a piss poor NEET living in a shed scratching his arse playing videogames all day.

>>19599628
>muh dystopia
>normies are fucked man
>society is sooo degenerate
>*proceeds to play video games and coom*
are chuds really this pathetic?

>>19599628
Kys nigger

>>19599634
this. It's time to get your mind back. You'll be pleasantly surprised how quickly it rises to the occasion when released from the torturous parade of endless trivial stimulation.

>>19600024
but then how will i talk to frens?

I think if you know you want to write, you just commit and write.

>>19600037
you dont have friends
get off the internet and make some real friends

>>19599803
this right here. some people cant handle leaving society and living in isolation. its not for everybody and certainly its not for you.

Joining the other concerned people here, look up your old friends, even talk to previous teachers, or go back to family if that situation is alright, if it's too hard to go out and make new friends.

there's isolation that is productive and isolation that is destructive. this sounds destructive.

Take care

>>19599628
Get a personality--doesn't really fucking matter what it is so long as you like it and think it's cool or something. If that means day drinking, fine; if that means fucking a loose woman every other day, okay; if that means living in the woods and eating raw fish out of a nearby creek, great. But until you feel like an individual, like a real fucking person with an artistic spirit, you will never be a writer. Leave the getting good at writing thing until after you've become a person.

>>19599628
sounds like youre not going to become a writer or anything really
what are you,19?

>>19599803
>We are all born from shit and die in shit. You are no better than "normies" and you aren't special for isolating yourself
Best advice here. So many on /lit/ appear to have this massive superiority/inferiority complex where they just like the aesthetic of appearing like a special writer who is le different from the norm norms.

>>19599628

>>19600236
holy reddit

>>19601157
Quoth the beta bitch who types in lowercase

>>19601157
Actually man...forget I said that...I feel bad now...fuck

>>19601195
holy reddit

>>19599628
>diary entries
Sorry man.

>>19599729
>Don't listen to the normoids sending you to work or school, they're just crabs in bucket

This.

Being a NEET is the most kino existence if you do it right. Don't waste it. The next best thing is bouncing between skating and doing cool shit in the military.

>>19599628
you're such a larping little faggot. i have a full time career job and a successful romantic relationship, and i write more completed manuscripts than some retarded larping wusses who think they need to sequester themselves in a cabin innawoods in order to force themselves to write ever will. i work harder than you, i have more passion than you, and i will attain success unlike you.

trying to call yourself a writer when you dont actually write is just cope for being a fucking hikkineet loser who does nothing with his life.

>>19601433
>than some retarded larping wusses who think they need to sequester themselves in a cabin innawoods in order to force themselves to write ever will
bad sentence structure. 5/10
you can do better than this timmy

>>19601433
shit b8, 1 outta 8, ya fag.

>>19599628
>dropped out to become a writer
drop out and get a real job
>read 4chan, watch youtube, play vidya all day
quit 4chan, watch less, stop playing video games like a child
>actually come to think books are somehow useless, instead want to move inna woods and drop out of society completely
read books, engage with society if it deserves your interaction
>have no human contact so dont know if i am actually becoming insane, last time talked to human was months ago
get a hobby and make friends. friends are there to let you know if your going crazy. your probably not. (no. gaming is not a real hobby)
>diary entries are becoming crazier and shorter by the day, sometimes only fragments of text
do write anything if you have nothing to say
>question my sanity
this is wrong why?
>question absolute state of normies, covid mandates everywhere, dystopia unfolding
Its pretty terrible i agree
>am sure im on the right side again, not participating in this shitshow
your probably right
>realize i have no future in this society
yes you do. your just not willing to try right now
>start questioning me again, think about move inna woods again
be a man. not a bitch
>proceed to watch youtube and play vidya, sometimes scribble in diary
BE A MAN. NOT A BITCH

>>19599634
fpbp

>>19599628
stop drinking the onions. reclaim your life. vidya addiction is a real thing, quit it. get a real hobby like reading books or studying or going /out/.

>>19601341
>dying for Zion in the military
>next best thing
Oh, boy

Find a friend.

>>19599628
Go the FUCK outside. You’re literally doing this to yourself. You consume doomer media and hang out on doomer forums and refuse to interact with society because you’ve convinced yourself that it’s “evil” or “not worth your time” or “doomed” or whatever other bullshit but it’s all just a fucking cope to get over the fact that YOU failed in society. You took the riskiest bet on yourself and it didn’t pay off. Did you think you’d be a great writer? Maybe you did but you’re not that guy now and whatever you’re doing now wont make you better, so go outside, find a new goal, achieve something, talk to somebody, break your computer, get a fucking JOB and maybe the writing will come and so will the sense of purpose. If it doesn’t oh well, you’ve got your whole life to kill yourself or become a hermit, why are you giving up so soon?

>>19599628
Anon, try drugs, but only psychedelics, none of that other shit.

>>19599634
I'll not destroy it but yeah, sell it, get some money

>>19601544
>BE A MAN. NOT A BITCH
yeah I'll have to work on that

>>19600214
>this sounds destructive
I agree, but i've done it right in the past, I can do it again.

>>19601341
>The next best thing is bouncing between skating and doing cool shit in the military.
Thought about doing shit like this but won't be able to due to vax restrictions

>>19601433
living and grinding for the taxman and copulating a female once in a while is nothing to be overly proud of man. and pretending that your "successful" normie existence is somehow superior or special is even more pathetic.

>>19599803
This op. Try to become someone and if you fail spend the next 80 years of your life working for much better men believing there is merit in eating their scraps and then just die when you've destroyed your body and mind for them. Don't worry though, your family will remember you for at least one generation.

>>19601433
Does it feel good to lie to losers on 4channel? Does it?

>i work harder than you, i have more passion than you, and i will attain success unlike you

Absolute nutcase lad. I am so sorry you felt the need to type this out kek

>>19599634
No, absolutely do not listen to him. The internet is the only source of free and widely sourced information we have now. Anyone advocating that you give that up is your enemy and wants you to trust the 'common wisdom' of whatever you hear on the street or from journalists. You can do better than to be tricked by that.

>>19601270
This. Anyone who can say that, and then be so easily made to feel ashamed of that, it an utter waste of space.

>>19599628
>I'm unbound, not part of this degenerate society
>spends all his time consuming the opium of the people
lmao

>>19600172
You mean you're not my fren?

>>19601341
>The next best thing is bouncing between skating and doing cool shit in the military.
Peek teenager core

>>19599803
>you MUST conform to the system stop criticising this fucked up society and just accept it chud

cringe

>>19601938
Wtf how can you possibly be upset at someone for feeling bad about being an asshole? Mfs will do anything to make themselves feel like they aren't weak

>>19599628
Sounds like you need to read some good ol uncle Ted anon, you might even go so far as to write him a letter and see if he has some sagely wisdom for you, if you feel that his book alone isn't enough

>>19599628
You probably have repressed trauma that’s fucking you up. I’m being sincere, I was so fucking “lazy” for years until I realised I was working with insane coping mechanisms. Since going through that writing has been a pleasure and ease.

>>19599628
>currently in university
>don't like what I'm studying
>studying seems pointless, have no hope for society and have absolutely no intention of becoming a wagie
>pretty much haven't dropped out only because it'd make my parents sad
>feel like I'm going to fail this year anyway
>look at the state of the country/world and feel no motivation at all to take part in this shitshow
>pretty much just waiting for something big to happen so I have an excuse to die for a cause
I don't know what to do, anons.

>>19602797
Switch majors

>>19602797
>waiting for something big to happen so I [can do something different]...
That time, that moment, that event will never come. And if something does come, you won't recognize it as the thing that sparks your change of heart. You should set a very ambitious goal that you care about, become well-informed about it (tweaking it along the way), and then begin executing it as soon as possible. Something virtuous, something fulfilling, and something that is worth your while.

>>19602837
Nothing interests me anyway and I'm in too deep to switch to anything else now
>>19602896
I don't know, all irony aside vaccine mandates here are getting people to become very agitated and I think there might be serious social unrest in the near future. Hoping for that to be the spark.
I've always been an empty person, I don't care about anything and there's nothing in the world I really want or feel motivated by. Basically an NPC I guess.

>>19599803
Awful advice.

OP, this guy is angry you want to leave the world behind. He’s seething because he knows he will never be able to do it.

>>19602797
>>19602922
text book depression, go talk to your doctor.

>read ted kazcynski
>fall into hopeless despair
>recover, read nick land
>stop caring
>accelerate
>???
>PROFIT

>>19599628
>dropped out to become a writer
>read 4chan, watch youtube, play vidya all day

You didn't drop out to become a writer, that was just the lie you told yourself so you could read 4chan and watch YouTube and play vidya all day

>>19602975
So I can get prescribed SSRIs? What's the point?
I don't even feel depressed. I went through a genuine depressed stage and it was much worse than this. This is just apathy and lack of enthusiasm with life in general.

none of you can write for shit. i've seen your "writings"

>>19602998
More based than getting in the cagie at least

>>19603572
>not being a wfh salaried hikkikomori chad

>>19604009
I don't like pressure, autismbux are better

>>19599628
Probably you don't see it this way. Playing video games, watching youtube, doing social media, and even posting on forums, such as this one, are forms of working for free to make some wealthy guys far more wealthier. The whole thingy is work in disguise, and your participation is mandatory. Bandwidth. Fuck yeah.

>>19604177
>povertybux
>not developing a skillset you can demand money for
>not making sure you will always have an income without needing to depend on the whims of the state granting you pity
ngmi

>>19599803
amen

>>19604238
>>not developing a skillset
I'm stupid, incompetent and unmotivated. People like me used to die early but thanks to modernity now I get to survive and waste space and oxygen for a few more decades.

>>19604491
Yo dude. Not to get MPDG on you, but you're a sentient being who can write and process other people's thoughts. Like it or not, you are an organism that functions according to your will in an environment.

You can literally go out and do anything. You can decide to go do a meaningful kind of physical labor (work on a farm, go be a trailmaker with in an environmental corps, etc.), and then feel the perspective that a healthy lifestyle produces start to take hold in you. Go crew for a ship, go become an arborist.

Life is such a fucking amazing gift, and you are no different from all of us other little people seizing that within our little lives.

>>19604520
I've been told that, but every time I try anything I fail or give up. I'm either a burden or end up hating the work so much that I can't bring myself to keep going.

>>19603022
>So I can get prescribed SSRIs? What's the point?
As if SSRIs are the only possible therapy option...
>. I went through a genuine depressed stage and it was much worse than this. This is just apathy and lack of enthusiasm with life in general.
severity isnt an exclusion criteria, also the latter is almost textbook definition of depression

>>19604921
I don't think feeling bad in the world we live in is a sign of mental illness

>>19604921
Therapy doesn't work.
t. tried therapy

>>19602922
NPCs are motivated by the latest show on Netflix. Don't degrade yourself like that.
Speaking as someone who poured his heart out to his father twice in the last year regarding COVID authoritarianism, corruption, etc., and having listened to his advice, there will be no singular defining event that will be obvious to you that it's time to go all out. You need to be constantly calibrating your values, your outlook, and your long-term goals otherwise the world with chew you up and spit you out and you'll, ironically, have to cling to normie coping mechanisms just to avoid suicide. But there's a better way: to view the world equipped with clarity and ambition regardless of what the media is spewing out on the airwaves.

>>19604921
>severity isn't an exclusion criteria
Hey, pharmabro, easy on the prescriptions.

>>19605110
Therapy works
t. tried therapy

>>19599803
This. It's staggering the amount of retards on here who think they're 'above the system' but are nevertheless hopelessly addicted to video games, youtube and other forms of mass-produced digital heroin. It's such a stupid cope for the fact that they're unable or unwilling to find themselves meaningful roles in society

>>19599803
Cringe

>>19605318
liar

>>19599675
Engineer here. They hired me to be knowledgeable in this field and I'm a glorified secretary to the guy who actually knows his shit here. I spend more time reading Wikipedia and stuff on Gutenberg than I do working in my field.

>>19608351
Same, junior developer that got put doing analyst work aka nothing for the past 6 months and next 1.5 years probably. I'm only here so our client pays more in a contract. I still don't even have access to the repo . Someone else in my team tried quitting for 1-2 months but they weren't taken off payroll and they eventually came back after their other job fell through.

>>19599628
guys i'm like so insane now, here's my account of becoming totally insane which is incidentally entirely coherent and resembles nothing more than a boring person's attempt to sell their nothing of a life as compellingly deranged but don't let it distract you from how totally insane i am

>>19609077
so a paid neet? based

>>19609077
On the upside I've learned a lot about history and plagues and I've finished most of the Divine Comedy. On the downside, I don't have much joy for my field unless I have a lot of work in the lab to do. It's work to me. It doesn't bring me personal fulfillment and I don't want to spend all my time doing it. They say you should have at least one hobby in the technical field you're in, but that is bullshit. If you think of work as work, you don't want to have hobbies any way related to work. I hope it's just the holiday slump.

>>19604935
Feeling bad for no reason isn't normal.
>>19605175
Doesn't even make sense.

>>19599628
do you want to be a writer or do you just want the aesthetic of being a writer?

>>19602751
Can you elaborate pls? Tell us your secrets to getting better we need them

>>19609515
He's saying just because you aren't having severe symptoms doesn't mean you aren't diagnosable and should consider taking the meds.

>>19609693
>He's saying just because you aren't having severe symptoms doesn't mean you aren't diagnosable and should consider taking the meds.
Not what I was saying at all.

>>19609539
not that anon, but the secret is this:
to like what you produce, you must like yourself.

>>19599655
Wrong. As soon as you get yourself a “career”, it’s over for you. Try to get an undemanding and medium paying job. And in your spare time you work relentlessly on your writing. Also, it’s over for you as soon as you see your writing as a “hobby”. Writing requires of you to give up yourself wholly to it, only then it can be art, and only if it’s art it is worthwhile. You can do this like Gottfried Benn, who was a physician his whole life and only wrote in his spare time, or you can someday quit your normie job when your writing starts to pay your bills. But for most people this will never happen.

>>19609126
This. The OP is too coherent to be anything more than someone who acutely aware that he is wasting his life.

>>19609515
>for no reason

>>19609915
ok do whatever you want. good luck paying the bills and starving for the off chance that you might make enough to make a living.

>>19601631
instructions unclear, dick stuck in heroin xD

>>19599628
reminder that you are no better than a whore.

>>19599628
>>actually come to think books are somehow useless, instead want to move inna woods and drop out of society completely
>>proceed to watch youtube and play vidya, sometimes scribble in diary

>>19609944
>le society bad because i get no pussy
not everyone is as pathetic as you

>>19610022
Way to project, /r9k/nigger

>Wants to be selfmade, yet, is unwilling to preclude receiving free external support.

>Longs to be exemplar, yet, lacks experiential amplitude.

>Continues to imperientially distill texts, and watch/play audiovisual artifacts everyday, anyway.

What was his angle? was he out of line?

>>19610022
Fuck you

>>19609832
Yeah, I like what I produce—I’m proud of my poems and my paintings, for example. I’m just curious about the working through trauma based coping mechanisms that make you lazy part.

>>19599655
Fucking this. Why would anyone throw themselves into such uncertain territory for their entire livelihood? It's madness, and basically a guaranteed recipe for depression nowadays. Artsy types need to first secure a stable career that's satisfying enough to put up with, and then find their deeper sense of life fulfillment through the personal projects they put together in their free time.

>>19609770
What were you saying, then? The dialogue went, in part, like this:
you: text book depression, go talk to your doctor.
him: So I can get prescribed SSRIs? What's the point?
I don't even feel depressed. I went through a genuine depressed stage and it was much worse than this. This is just apathy and lack of enthusiasm with life in general.
you: severity isnt an exclusion criteria
It sure sounds like you're saying just because he isn't having very severe symptoms, he should still seek treatment from his doctor.

>>19602922
Bruh my spirit just drops when I read stuff like this. No one is an NPC. Life isn't a main quest that people get to be MCs of. There's a lot of life and a lot to life. Hope you can find some friends and community.

>>19604578
Okay, can you tell me what you're defining as failure? What do you mean when you say you're a burden?

In general anons, I worry about you when I close the tab for the day. I want the homies to be well, striving, and blooming!

>>19605110
Please try Reality Therapy by Glasser

>>19599628

>>19599628
>what the fuck, what do i do, any anons know this feel?
Yes. What you are experiencing is extremely common and the majority of people that quit their job/school to pursue something at home end up just like you. The social isolation also adds to the scatterbrain, lack of ability to focus and so on. You should get a job or go to school ASAP because your NEETness will ruin your life and you'll miss all your dreams and goals and it won't get better. You'll never be able to to stop reading 4cha, watching youtube and playing all day. You will never get the discipline, focus down to read and write.

>>19599628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtKNVgi4U3k

>>19599628
Oblomov is that you?

>>19599628
Oh god, just kill yourself. It's probably for the best.

>>19599628
read ted kaczynskis books and everything will make sense

>>19599708
>going back to school

and study what?

>>19601968

>>19599634
>quit the internet
>talk to people IRL
>they are complete drones who believe everything they see on TV and like one of the 10 popular things on TV, and dismiss literally every other subject as retarded/boring/schizo/lame
>the only people who are somewhat less braindead have a degree of acquaintance with the internet

>>19602797
>pretty much just waiting for something big to happen so I have an excuse to die for a cause

this. sometimes when I go to sleep. I wish I could wake up reincarnate/reborn into a different reality and body.

>>19612747
>>talk to people IRL

impossible

>>19610801
This is stupid crap that you say because you're projecting your idiotic anime porno degeneracy on everyone else. It's not a matter of discipline. The core problem is purpose, why to do things, what to do that actually amounts to something. And the vast majority of the answers are completely locked out. Imagine that you want to make artisan goods. You can't just make a thing and sell it anymore. You need to address for shipping costs; if you decide not to do it off the books and risk getting slammed (while richer people dodge for millions of course) you have to register yourself as a business and pay taxes; since normal things are completely covered by mass produced goods produced incredibly more efficiently at reduced costs, if you want to sell something you actually make you have to invent some premium aspect for what you are making. You can't just sell wooden chairs, you have to sell a walnut briar chair with a custom dragon dildo hand-carved in the middle of the seat. And you will need to sell it at a competitive price and it needs to be PERFECT or the customer will feel outraged that you disgraced his royal asshole with a not-quite-as-perfect product. Vast majority of the shit that is sold as a small shop thing over, say, Etsy is made in China. All muh handcrafted shit is a small scale industrial business owned by wealthy people (that's "family-owned" to you) and marketed as le local handcrafted thing. So you're fucked. The whole sector of non-luxury artisan goods is fucked. Every flavor of office work isn't even work, I don't regard it as work. It's just elaborate dick-wringing that makes no sense. It's not work to talk to people on the phone. It's not work to assemble images of a thing and make the price larger and, no, wait, that other shade of red is nicer, can you do that instead? This is not work, it's paid time-wasting. None of this makes any sense within nature or the design of mankind. Work is shit that you do with your hands, things that you actually make and then you use or eat. God I fucking hate the job market so much.

>>19601105
>tfw I played the Realta Nua version without having "Classic" text selected, so I didn't see this
How much other stuff did I miss, I wonder

>>19610746
>he should still seek treatment from his doctor.
correct, said treatement however isnt necessarily medication
which is implied >>19609693
>should consider taking the meds.
as something I said.

>>19599628
Maybe a simplistic suggestion but my short term advice would be to join a sparring based martial art. Boxing, bjj, judo, ect.
You'll get in shape, gain confidence, have fun, and make friends.
Life isn't "fixed" with a big revelation or grand plan that you then immediately set upon. It's small things building up and then slowly compounding.
For me, judo saved my life. I forced myself to join my university club and then forced myself to keep attending 4 nights a week throwing up out of exhaustion and getting my ass kicked. But it's so crazy, after just a couple months I was walking around with a new bounce in my step, greater mental clarity, and new ideas for my projects coming to me endlessly. And being able to directly witness progress in something difficult, like actually lasting in fights, gave me the confidence to push through other pursuits where I started off terribly.
Try it out, or any sport really

>>19601925
It is also the source of most of the worlds misinformation, as well as advertisements and “content” that intentionally make you feel like you are lacking in order to sell you products, and also most of the worlds vitriolic BS spewed by people that want to make you feel bad out of resentment, it’s also the largest source of mind numbing escapist nothings that are meant to make you forget how badly the world is fucking you while simultaneously having the unintentional effect of alienating you from any other kind of action due to the convenience of it, it’s also the source of most para social relationships with people that only know you as a target for ads or vitriol as stated before with the effect of alienating from real social relationships that would be much more constructive. But yeah, stick around, we got pdfs of meditations by big daddy Markus!

>>19613435
reminder that if you are jobless for any reason, people will cheer if you die.

>>19613563
Says the man that is on the internet no less than 7 hours a day. Unironically touch grass

>>19613857
I spend maybe 1 hour daily online.

>>19612815
I share some of your values, but I think you are too dependent on others. Some of the most interesting artists in the world have toiled for the benefit of a small or nonexistent audience, but their alienation ironically gave them great influence. Your problem is not that society doesn't have a purpose for you, it's that you don't have a purpose for yourself.

>>19599628
You are a worthless bitch-ass nigga. Your life literally is as valuable as a summer ant. I'm just gonna stomp you, you're gonna keep coming back, I'm gonna seal up all my cracks, you're gonna keep coming back why? Because you keep smelling the syrup, you worthless bitch-ass nigga. You're gonna stay on my dick until you die. You serve no purpose in life. Your purpose in life is to be on /lit/ sucking on my dick daily. Your purpose in life is to be in that chat blowing a dick daily. Your life is nothing. You serve zero purpose. You should kill yourself now. and give somebody else a piece of that oxygen and ozone layer that's covered up so that we can breathe inside this blue trap bubble. because what are you here for, to worship me? Kill yourself. I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent. I've never seen somebody so worthless in my life, I dead ass have not seen such a more worthless nigga in my life. If he has kids, oh my god imagine if a nigga like that has kids. Like imagine. Imagine if somebody like that actually has kids I would feel so sorry for his children because the nigga literally serves no fucking purpose. Imagine a father: now, we got lots of niggas with wives and kids and shit that suck dicks daily on the internet, but imagine if this nigga actually had children. This nigga's devoting the time he could be spending with his kids checking out a what autists have to say on /lit/ cucking over him relentlessly! It's crazy! I've never seen somebody so relentless to be seen. Somebody, somebody, somebody's value so worthless that they'll coming on 4chan and keep coming in this bitch over and over and over and over and over and over again we keep banning you! Nigga let me, let me, let's do you a favor. Let's go to the 99-cent store let's pick out a rope together. I'm gonna give you an assisted suicide. Let's pick out a rope together, right, and we're gonna take all the greatest troll clips, put a tv screen right in front of you. I'm gonna hang that rope on top of the motherfucking garage. We're gonna forcefully, pry your eyes open, I don't even need to do that because you're on my dick daily. We're gonna pry your eyes open, and consistently watch clips over and over and over and over and over again.

>>19614051
>for the benefit of a small or nonexistent audience
gallery owners and art "critics", yeah
that you attach Van Gogh to your argument means that you have understood nothing. What did Van Gogh amount to? What did he bring to the world? I don't care about being a "famous artist" so that my shit will be printed on t-shirts, mugs and other products for cattle consumers. How do you really enrich the world, the people in your life, how do you further a real legacy, how do you have a real place on this earth, and not a fictitious place that a bunch of businessmen have arbitrarily invented for you so that your bones can be sold. How?

>>19614098
His influence extends beyond consumerism into actual art. That's why I cited him. He influenced underground, non-commercial movements seeking new, uncomfortable horizons. This is one sense in which a legacy can be fulfilling, in advancing a frontier, but you seem to be interested in something else. I assumed it was artistic, since you're on /lit/ and not /out/ or /diy/, but you're not being clear.

>>19599634
internet and related devices are mandatory in most jobs, most relationships, etc, etc. You can avoid it like the plague, but you are only handicapping yourself. Better learn how to use them moderately

>>19614098
I think the solution is to start at the most fundamental needs to live, like eating, sleeping, water, safety, etc. Start from the beginning and maximize two things: total (or nearly total) independence from a monetary system (as well as global communcation), and health. I think even attempting to do this, let alone succeeding, will give anyone more of a sense of purpose, in a daily struggle for simply filling their bellies with your own food instead of filthy meat or arsenic-filled rice or, God forbid, Taco Bell. You don't need a lot of land to supplement with a garden. If you're an apartment dweller, I am sorry, but if you live in a house, you will have plenty of room to sequester a backyard into a small farm. Study how to raise chickens, feed them high quality clover, plant flowers to attarct bees and bugs, collect eggs. If your yard is big enough, a goat will provide tons of milk and even mohair if you get the right breed. This can be done in the suburbs, easily. Talk to your neighbors, offer to trade some of your milk (turn it into cheese, maybe) for other things you need. If enough people, even in cities, lived independent of a grocery store, knitting their own clothes from their backyard sheep and goats, trading their own chicken legs for a slab of salted pork, etc, it would work. Be the example you want to see! And that's just food. Build shelters, made of mud or rocks and twigs, out in barren land in the outskirts. Steal seeds, plant them, find a water source within a mile. You don't have to go full Kacyznski innawoods to make some kind of change to become more self-reliant and healthy, and this sort of self-reliance could, ironically, connect you to people in a way the internet or a 9-to-5 job will never provide. The cops can't do anything if enough people just start raising chickens and goats. Fuck zoning, just do it. Trade fertilizer so it doesn't rot. Do research. There's no reason not to pay minimum electricity bills to have access to internet for the sole purpose of learning and trading tips. But just remember to use the internet as a tool and nothing more. Entertainment will come not from digital sex and bing-bing wahoo but from watching the sunset, and children chasing chickens, and a harvest feast with your entire neighborhood, and singing songs in praise of God or Buddha or whoever. Money is a trap. It is a great illusion. And if you don't need money, you don't need traditional employment. Modern society has no purpose if you don't buy into their illusion. But there has always been purpose outside of it.

>>19614352
This has been my plan for a while now. I have a plan to learn some skills but it's much much easier said than done. If only I could supplement this sort of living with some sort of artisan trade on the side it would've been perfect, but the problem is that all of this is really hard to pull off smoothly. It's like all the infrastructure has been stolen from under your feet. If you want to grow tomatoest it will cost you more to grow them in water alone than it will cost you to buy them at the supermarket.

>>19614387
I've thought of this one before, too. First, it's definitely wise to collect as many seeds after the first harvest, for the next season. My mom and dad have grown tomatoes for years but never thought to just collect seeds and not have to buy batches anew. Seeds won't all start perfectly but generally speaking, you should end up with more, year after year (and 5-10 years, can start trading seeds to other independent growers). Second, with the water issue, one approach is to use public water, like at a park, but this is filthy. The cheapest method is going to be long-term, and that's collecting rain water. A more expensive method is digging a well. I haven't done this yet but plan to. I don't care if it's illegal, I'm going to dig into the aquifers and siphon. The last method to solve the water problem is arguably the first, best one: move somewhere next to a water source, like a river or lake. It's not feasible if you're like most, at least not at first, but it's the best. Contamination in run-off isn't an issue unless you're downstream of factories or paper mills. Foothills, not quite mountains, are probably great places to live, with cleaner water but not as harsh living as in mountains.
I'm not an expert, I'm just like you, so I'm going to do as much research as I can on optimal growing methods with respect to water and soil composition. It's definitely a bad idea to plant the same thing in a spot over and over. We gotta start somewhere. Even the smallest change, like collecting rainwater or growing veggies or getting discount milk by doing labor for your local farms, is better than nothing.

>>19599628
>drop out of society
Tao is that you?

>>19613947
Doubt

>>19614387
>pull off smoothly
anon if you think life is smooth for anyone you are misinformed. if you keep waiting for a smooth route to appear your toxic now will last until the end of your days. discomfort is your only escape.

>>19614752
by smoothly I meant not failing miserably

>>19599628
Take meds

>>19613563
>people will cheer if you die
Why would I care?

>>19616813
When you die your reward is Heavens, which is sharing with blessed sould contemplation of God's Love, and that's an infinite happiness beyond most pleasure you can get on Earth.

>>19617153
But it's wise to give a good legacy here, since love starts with kind words and acts to your bros

>>19617153
*souls
s and d are close in the keyboard

>>19617155
That reminds me of Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra

>>19600024
How long will it take?

>>19599628
The only solution is to kys op

>>19617240
Depends how old you are. As a rule of thumb take your age/10*2 weeks. So if you're in your twenties it takes about a month. This rule breaks down past 40 though.

>>19617304
Thanks buddy. See you on the other side.

>>19599628
>>dropped out to become a writer
top jej

>>19599803
Sir please get back in the cage, your unpaid break is over and Mr. Goldstein-Silverberg must farm money

>>19599628
It's ok anon. If you don't like to participate in society then you won't be able to get "successful", not for long anyway, you won't get big or rich or anything (because you clearly aren't interested in this) so you'll be forced to wageslave forever.
However since you want to move innawoods I suggest you first buy a small plot of land in the countryside and start a small, easy to keep farm. Just because you aren't innawoods right now doesn't mean that you can't start preparing.

>>19599628
keep living
drink a little
write or don't
drink a little more
keep living
do something
listen to good music
smile, it's gonna be okay

>>19601433
>i work harder than you, i have more passion than you, and i will attain success unlike you
kek

Let's all anons love each other

>>19618584
Fuck off and die.

>>19599628
become an hero, anon!

>>19618595
OF course I'll die, I wait everyday for that moment

>>19618595
I sincere ask you, do you really mean what you say? Honestly

>>19599757
>Honestly this is excellent advice.
Yet you didn't take it

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>>19605356
>unable or unwilling to find themselves meaningful roles in society
There's no such thing as a meaningful role in a meaningless, atomized society. You can pretend that you have one, though, and then you can watch as we still descend deeper and deeper into dystopia with each passing year. You can't change the world for the better from within a system specifically designed to prevent you from doing so.

>>19618595
Love ya too babe

>>19599628
>dude i have no identity so i will larp as a doomer in order to get internet points and while at the same time destroying my life!

>>19610772
I mean that nothing I do succeeds. Not due to external factors but because of my own shortcomings. People say it's a matter of somehow finding something worth doing but there's no such thing. Most days I'm fine but often it feels like life is limbo and I don't belong here, that there's nothing for me to do here.

>>19619628
You have your soul with you, and God's Love

>>19619738
I don't feel like that's enough

>>19612815
lord digression

>>19619769
Listen. You are a soul. You are in this world because karma wants you to fullfill a mission. Be patient. Look inside your heart, what hurts, what wishes, what cries, what laughs. Feel it in you, and have some hope. Everything will be ok. Good luck

>>19619769
You may add me in facebook, I use this pseudonym there as well

>>19619769
I'll write a short story for you. Have you played a Zelda game? Well, you are Link, but IRL. The mission is to save the Princess. Use that imaginaria to become crazy and ask yourself who is your Princess and where is she. You have to get her. It's what life has chosen for you.

>>19619769
The world was new, and we discovered
our skin to give a tender pleasure
So lucky us to have each other
forgot that bliss won't last forever
But who would care? We did enjoy
convenient shape of girl and boy
We ate with lust forbidden apple
So heavens must destroy this couple!
A tiny seed of guilt and shame
became the weed that cursed a day
With no more smiles, or eyes to wink
we torn apart to sigh and think
Forgot with haste, but still I miss
eternal taste inside her kiss!

>>19619769
— What's life been? — An exam of love,
smiles and tears, fighting and hope!
We've found divine two eyes that look
and read, with time, the soul of books
This only chance for being brave
before we have to close the grave!
To scream and laugh, to hug and dance,
to cry and kiss. This only chance
In the end, you'll have a kingdom:
a happy realm of memory and wisdom
Listen! The old couple under a tree
have whispered a secret for being free.
— We both, somehow awaiting our death
enjoy for now the luxury of breath.

>>19619769
Being a writer is about exposing your feelings. That's an infinite source of complain, since the world is so shitty at the moment. You must say what's wrong. So we all share that feeling and do something better. We trust you, anon

>>19599803
I would prefer not to.

The river that flows forward in time
contains all the nows that build up your life
Your birth, your childhood, your innocent crime
the nights you have dreamt with a fantasy wife
Every dancestep, every movement in chess
Every clothe you put on whenever you dress
Every laughter, every pain and every tear
Every time you complain with no one to hear
The struggle to fight suicidal ideas
The days that your wound required to heal
The novel you read amazed by the plot
The sky you immersed, surrounded by dots
All ordered and nice, so what's the deal?
Perhaps soul's immortal. Forever. For real.

>>19599634
>>19599757
>>19600024
>>19601547
>>19614166
cucks. all you praise is normiedom and flattering your masters. you're bugs breeded for your purpose.

>>19599628
Stop playing vidya and browsing youtube, find yourself a spot, sit in it and force yourself to write. Or don't whatever it's your life.

>>19610685
It will have an effect on your quality of writing. A writer who writes full time will almost always be better than one who does it as a hobby. Even still, there's nothing sane about working a 9-5 for decades just to end up dying like a dog in old age, as everyone does.
>>19610801
This, sort of. I don't think that being NEET is the problem, what's the problem is being NEET and having the internet. When you don't have the internet, reading and writing becomes extremely easy because it becomes the most entertaining thing to do.

>>19610685
Bug-hands typed this

>>19599803
Retard. I'm pretty much OP except I have a STEM degree and no writer ambitions. I still can't get a job and am increasingly out of options for the future. Society doesn't reward hard work anymore. I thought the way you do for a long time and forced myself to study and work hard at things I hated, but the truth is that I am better than most people, which is why I am not satisfied with a life of shit while they are. So I don't need to follow their way of life anymore.

>>19599803
Our society as it is has only existed since the babyboomers were born, solidified by World War 2 wherein the status quo was set with blood. The only precedent lies with them, and they are currently reaching retirement age and getting shit on completely. We are all born and shit and die in shit is right, and it's arrogant to assume that getting a job and participating in a system that wants you dead because you think with enough money, and enough work, you can somehow control the future. You are a slave, and you will pay for the existence of the likes of OP with your money.
>>19600875
That's because it is. Even the most vapid, ignorant, and retarded try hard has more worth, substance, and superiority compared to the average normie, by simple virtue of actually trying.
>>19605356
Nonsense. If you're living off the system without working, even if you're a hedonistic slug, you are literally above the system with slaves sweating for you. Your place in society is punching in and punching out because you think you need to for the sake of richies, welfare mommies, and autistic neets scamming medical insurance.

I need no retorts or refutations, thank you. Tomorrow I will do as I please, and you all will feed me, and in your heart of hearts would let me fuck your wives.

>>19621475
Based. Not sure how you can’t get a stem job in this economy if you really are better than most people though

What anon must ask thyself is what is valuable in this life

if jk rowling can do it so can you, put x amount of hours into writing per day / week

Hey! It's Christmas! Snow! :D

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