/lit/ - Literature

>>19477312
Picrel is you.

>>19477334
I’ve already told you faggots in the OP that when I quit sooner or later live becomes to stressful and I fall back into the addiction. That doesn’t mean I’m not trying my best to quit just that it hasn’t worked until now.

The problem with ADHD and the subsequent depression that follows is hyper-awareness: being aware that I have a severe problem, knowing what it is and it's effects on my behaviour, and yet not being able to find a solution or work through it. Keep in mind that you've finally hit the wall. Your standard coping mechanisms and maladaptive workarounds will not be sufficient for what's ahead. You currently lack the tools simply because you hadn't needed them prior.

Trying to resolve this yourself will be a more burdensome effort than it's worth. Immediately find someone to speak to about this - either an academic counsellor, undergrad advisor in your department, or if they have a center for students with learning disabilities.

I went through extremely rough years during my undergrad before I started with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and fixed those poorly established habits and coping mechanisms.

My average morning:
09:00: I should make coffee.
10:00: I should make coffee.
11:00: Boiling some water.
11:40: The water is cold, boiling again.
12:00: I've made coffee and brought it to my desk.
12:20: I forgot to turn off the stove.
13:00: I forgot to drink the coffee and now it's cold.

It's like living in a surrealist play.

>>19477336
I've kind of gotten to the phase where I hate having orgasms. Or more specifically, masturbatory orgasms. They're unfulfilling and I know I'll feel like shit afterwards, so now I'm cooming once a week on average. Edging is harder to get rid of since it doesn't have any immediate negative consequences, but my head is much clearer when I avoid it. It's day 8 and I think I'm in for a longer streak than usual. It gets easier as time goes on.

So, what's my point? I've substantially reduced my fapping by changing how I look at orgasm. It's much easier not to do it if you're sure the answer to the question "Is it worth it?" is no.

>>19477417
This but most of the time I don’t have milk or even coffee and realise this and then go to the store and forget to buy either

>>19477453
>>19477417
Also I made a rule not to drink coffee past 3:30 but procrastinate it every day until I miss my chance and then stay up all night anyway without the help because I had to take a nap earlier because I didn’t have coffee

>>19477312
I've read some of them, and at the end of the day they are books. You need to have the mindset.

I've found that out by trying No-nut-november (I know it's silly but humour me a bit) then started focusing on things I would like to do.
I realized that I had more will-power if I just had a stupid app that reminded me of things that I must do --sort of using addiction against itself.
So I am using a intermittent fasting app for weight loss, and a habit tracker for exercising, reading, studying in general.
The habit tracker app has a tomagochi-like plant which, by performing activities every day you water a bit. and it grows.

So, there you go. You might try that. (also no fap gets me frustrated sometimes)

Isolate yourself for days with nothing to do but read and meditate. Read those ADHD books. It’s better to focus on one topic than multiple if you do. I would suggest when meditating to focus on your breathing with the intention of completely silencing your mind, as in no inner monologue or images. It gets easier with time. A month should do. But you should make this self imposed isolation a regular routine in your life regardless. Best of luck.

>>19477365
>an academic counsellor
Can these guys refer you to therapists/psychiatrists?
I don't want to claim ADHD specifically without ever having gone to get diagnosed, but I definitely have something messed up mentally and it's leaving me unable to succeed in education. I'd like to get a consult and hopefully treatment of some sort, but I have no idea where to even start looking. I've never been able to bring myself to call a psychiatrists office or whatever.
It'd be a great help if I could set a meeting with my college's academic advisor and have them kickstart the process.

>>19477365
>Your standard coping mechanisms and maladaptive workarounds will not be sufficient for what's ahead. You currently lack the tools simply because you hadn't needed them prior.
This is hard to accept but resonates deeply. I got through my A-levels with good grades without studying. Not because I didn’t want to but I couldn’t. I would torture myself by staying up until the pain of that got too much so then I would finally do my assignments.

>Trying to resolve this yourself will be a more burdensome effort than it's worth.
I hate having to rely on others but I guess you’re right. I’ve tried for years to no avail.

>Immediately find someone to speak to about this
I do have a therapist for the depression, as well as an addiction counselor for the porn addiction and past mild Kratom addiction.
I just now figured out how my concentration issues are causing my other issues and that it’s unlikely I’ll be able to fix them by just working through my emotions. I’ll talk to my therapist about it next session about it. I don’t know if I should address it directly though, since I don’t want to be seen like I’m seeking drugs.

>>19477417
That sounds horrible.
Luckily after a year of trying I finally have a kind of solid morning routine. I always eat/drink the same in the morning so I can’t really forget things like that.

Maybe trying putting the ingredients on your way to the bathroom or kitchen so you literally stumble over them.
Or try to automate it if you have the money/coding ability.

>>19477471
I appreciate you trying to help.

I have used habit tracking software before but actually handwriting the tasks-to-be-done down in my bullet journal works better.
If things are time sensitive I set alarms on my phone (but leave it in another room) so I won’t forget.

NoFap doesn’t work too well for me. I’ve tried for a long time. If I don’t relieve myself daily or every second day it gets even harder to focus. I also tend to watch porn only when I haven’t yet relieved myself of the pressure.

>>19477336
>later live becomes to stressful and I fall back into the addiction
EVERY ADDICTION EVER YOU ABSOLUTE MORON
you should not be browsing this board, let along making a thread, if you're sub 90 iq

>>19477485
>Isolate yourself for days with nothing to do but read and meditate
I have assignments to do and social bonds to take care of. I also don’t live alone.

> I would suggest when meditating to focus on your breathing with the intention of completely silencing your mind, as in no inner monologue or images. It gets easier with time. A month should do.
I have been doing concentration meditation for 20-40min every day for almost a year now. It definitely helps my focus but I tend to fall off the wagon when I become stressed because of procrastination, which is when I need that focus most, in order to not fall into bad coping patterns.

> you should make this self imposed isolation a regular routine in your life
I know this kind of works but it is not a suitable strategy for me. This is exactly the kind of extreme self-discipline I meant in the OP. It works up to the point where I become depressed because I’m depriving myself of human contact and other joys. At that point I will be disciplined enough to not do anything else but not enough to do the tasks I set out to do. Instead I’ll just stare at the ceiling for hours.

>>19477518
There's a kind of hump at the three-day point. That's the first milestone to get over, and to do it you have to accept that you won't feel good during that time, no matter how many times you approach that third day. Our ancestors didn't have the privacy or the porn to do it daily, so it's our current way of living that's unusual, not reduced masturbation. It's basically withdrawal.

>>19477531
>EVERY ADDICTION EVER YOU ABSOLUTE MORON
No you faggot. I have quit drugs and video games before and successfully so. This is only true if the addiction is a coping mechanism for stress, which arguably many but definitely not all are.

>you should not be browsing this board, let along making a thread, if you're sub 90 iq
IQ is a measure of fluid intelligence, not crystalline intelligence, like you are implying.
I’m officially tested at 131iq, which is why I made it to Uni with far above average grades and without studying (which I am mostly incapable of).

>>19477490
>Can these guys refer you to therapists/psychiatrists?
At least in my country (central Europe) they can give you a list but no direct referral in my experience. Better to go to a general practitioner for a referral.
It is probably still helpful to talk to a counselor. Maybe they can refer you, maybe they can give you tips, and it’s good being on their radar to claim possible academic benefits if you get a diagnosis.

> I don't want to claim ADHD specifically without ever having gone to get diagnosed, but I definitely have something messed up mentally and it's leaving me unable to succeed in education
You should definitely get into therapy if you can. Things are never as clear cut as diagnosis make them out to be so even if you’re not ADHD it can help.
That being said you should voice your suspicion after a while because ADHD is quite often misdiagnosed.

>>19477417
Have you been reading a lot of Kafka recently, anon?

>>19477312
I just quit weed recently after 10 years of smoking on-and-off (quit alcohol 3 years). I've noticed that once I leave an addiction behind, usage of media and sugary foods goes way up. This probably has something to do with a sudden reduction in activity of the dopaminergic system. You might be experiencing something similar as you try to leave porn and the internet behind. The brain that is used to overindulging on saccharine pleasures won't just fall into discipline without significant impetus. I've been reading Nietzsche and my favorite existentialists waiting for that epiphany to come, but I'm coming to realize that the only medicine is discipline and effort. "What I am NOT, that, that is God to me, and virtue!”

>>19477573
>I’m officially tested at 131iq
> I made it to Uni with far above average grades and without studying

>>19477312
I’ve read over half of these books (YBOP, The Attention Revolution, Hyperfocus, Deep Work and Atomic Habits) and none of them worked.
What DID work was fixing my diet, taking daily walks and cutting the time I spend on this cesspool.
Still a coomer doe but at least I haven’t broken my NNN streak.

>>19477417
The most accurate portrayal of my everyday life, thanks.

>>19477438
Same, it feels like shit. I've gone down to once a month with imagination only & never looking at porn. That + month long dopamine detox for all indulgences at a time + meditation improved my life

>>19477312
No take ritalin

>>19477936
Well shit. I have a really good diet, as well as a regular exercise routine, already and don’t spend much time here usually.

>>19478053
I manage to do this every now and then for a month or two and it helps but not to the point where I’m sufficiently taking care of my responsibilities.
So sooner or later I can’t handle the stress the procrastination and following self-discipline/punishment causes and fall back into addiction.

>>19478071
I wish I fucking could man.
I haven’t gotten a diagnosis yet though and have a history of minor drug addiction so getting some illegally and self-administering probably wouldn’t be a good idea.

I took some from a friend only once and it really fucking calmed me down. Like I remember I could follow every single one of my friends words, not having to do the rewind-thing in my head, and I didn’t have the urge to fidget anymore.
It felt the same as I feel after a good workout or a successful 30min meditation session.

>>19478323
>falling back into addiction
That's the problem with being all or nothing with indulgence. You might need to balance it out a bit more, or do something differently with managing stress.

>>19477312
>While I’m good at socializing I do not go out much out of feeling guilty for not being able to fulfill my academic responsibilities.
Damn, are you me

>>19478351
A good workout is great but what it does in your mind is different from what ritalin does. Meditation is similar. They activate parts of your brain. Adhd drugs activate any particular part like reading etc. Meditation may make it easier to read but you won't be as invested in it.

>>19478409
>That's the problem with being all or nothing with indulgence
The cruel thing is I know that but I just can’t keep it to a moderate level. Even with reading. If I like a book I will read it until I am done with it, barely stopping for food and bathroom breaks during the process.
Once I start having fun with something I get sucked into the activity and just do it till I hit physical limits.
I once researched how to build a bicycle for so long that I didn’t eat for a whole day.
My major is computer science and if I get started on a small coding project I loose track of time completely until it is done.
With proofs this also happens but less often since I usually have to sift through my notes to get some approach on how to do it, which can be very mind-numbingly hard

>>19478426
We would be model students if we then actually were able to use that time for studying but instead it’s mostly spent on more procrastination and summoning up the necessary self-hatred to get started, am I right?
Sucks bad.

Listen to Andrew huebermann's podcast. He's got some good stuff on how to biologically prime yourself to be more attentive and alert and so on

>>19478623
Yep, I am halfway functional though, but my social life has been mutilated for the last 12 years (in my late 20s) because if I engage in social life, my education suffers because i need huge amounts of free time to complete tasks

>>19478604
That isn't entirely bad, I experience the same thing and try to take advantage of that level of productivity. It has it's downsides though, obviously. I haven't quite fixed that issue for myself but it is possible to train yourself to do opposite action, it helps to some degree. Feels like you have to physically pull yourself away from something but the weight gets lighter as you have more practice doing it.

>>19477312
I did. After a few years of effort, I finished some formation and got an internship.

>>19478637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvDEmo6uS4

Good actionable advice in this vid:

>MORNING
-Wake up at roughly same time every day, record wake time (2 hrs before was your "temperature minimum")
-Walk outside for 10-30 minutes (forward ambulation and daylight leads to increased alertness)
-Drink 16-32 oz of water with salt
-Delay caffeinated drinks for 90-120 minutes after waking
-Fast until ~12pm
-Work/Intellectual activity should be done 4-6 hours after your temperature minimum in 90 minute bouts. If you work at a computer, keep the screen at eye level or slightly higher. White noise can help with focus as well.
-1 hr workout, 5 days per week. cycle cardio/lifting 3/2 and 2/3 days per week
>AFTERNOON
-Lower-carb lunch (mostly meat and vegetables, add bread/rice/oatmeal if you exercised). Try to not eat much past 80% full. Get omega 3s.
-Walk 5-30 minutes after lunch.
-Some form of relaxation practice.
-Another 90-minute deep work session.
-Walk 10-30 minutes around 4-5pm
EVENING
-Eat high-starchy carb dinner with some protein to improve sleep
-Take a hot shower/20 minute sauna before sleep
-Go to sleep at the same time every day in a dark, cool room

>>19477417
You forgot all of thr pc/phone browsing and time wasting in between.

>>19479184
-Work/Intellectual activity should be done 4-6 hours after your temperature minimum in 90 minute bouts.
I am confused what temperature minimum means could someone explain am i just stupid
GDR24

>>19479184
This is like vegan meat cope

>If [more] information was the answer, then we’d all be billionaires with perfect abs

t. some faggot

>>19479184
This seems like a really ineffective way to achieve anything worthwhile. The people that I see reach success don't bother trying to optimize every little aspect of their practice. They don't put thought into timing their food and drink intake. They don't try to perfect their exercise regimen. They just hammer at their goals every day for a long time. Obsessing over minutiae just gets in the way of real progress.

>>19479404
Exactly in chess we give up pieces to gain a better advantage on the board.

>>19477312
deep work was an extremely boring book. it's one concept pondered on for way too long. do normies actually need this much evidence to try something?

Most of these books are bloated and can be described in a short essay or even infographic.

>>19479404
these aren't really optimizations but simple basic habits. there is nothing there that is really making you go out of your way besides maybe adjusting your sleep habits.

>>19477312
ADHD is fake.

Unironically how do I stop my porn addiction? I'm probably at it twice a day. Can I masterbate once a day to NO porn...is that considered healthy? Or are these folks saying that masturbation in general is unhealthy?

>>19477495
>I got through my A-levels with good grades without studying. Not because I didn’t want to but I couldn’t. I would torture myself by staying up until the pain of that got too much so then I would finally do my assignments.
You’re literally me. Godspeed to us both anon

>>19480651
stop completely.

>>19480651
Get a gf

>>19477312
desd

>>19477539
Have you taken a look at holotropic breathwork?

https://youtu.be/kdaRIIIZhUc

As a dopamine fried cumbrain I had to resort to renting a cabin without electricity in the middle of nowhere next to a mountain to complete my msc thesis
Brought only food, some clothes, toilet paper, a pillow, pen/paper and required books in my subject. It worked.

>>19480561
I've never met anyone that was impressive that was like, "I gotta wait another 45 minutes until I have my coffee. Good thing I have my liter of salt water until then! Oops, almost time for another walk."
No, they just sit down, chug their coffee and work for 10 hours straight like they have every day for the last 10 years.

You can't "overcome" adhd, you are born with it. Anon please try to get a diagnosis and take meds. I tried to overcome adhd for 19 years and nothing worked. Then I took stimulants (not prescribed, I was self medicating) for one time and I felt a totally different person. For the first time I felt normal. Please try to get it over the counter maybe, or just wait till you get a diagnosis. I'm in the process of getting one, here it's hard too, I've gone to a lot of different psychiatrists because none of them wants to give meds of give a diagnosis but I think I'm near. Anon, trust me, it's worth it. Nothing else really helps. Nothing.

>>19481147
This is going to sound incredibly stupid but do stimulants like ritalin take away your "creativity" I have been refraining from going to the psychiatrist because i'm afraid ritalin (we don't have adderall in my country) might fuck away my "creativity" I'm just a fucking common lad but sometimes I like to stare into the fucking wall and dream, will ritalin fuck me up?

>>19479184
no succesful person in a field does this shit
they just work and eat/walk/relax when they feel like it

>>19481182
No just try it yourself if you don't like it you can get off it. It doesn't have long term effects on your behavior.

>>19477312
Your real problem is that you’re probably studying something you neither have to study nor want to study, and paying a lot to do it. That’s not an attention issue.

I would like to have external difficulties forced upon me. I would like to have to work hard to stay alive. I would much prefer physical exercise by necessity rather than exercising to compensate for my lack of natural exercise. I’m attracted to extremes, and I don’t know how to manifest them so easily. It’s always easy to look at porn or browse this place, or watch YouTube. But with school it’s not so wise to restrict internet as sometimes it’s helpful. I once made vows to God and with this I went a year without porn. I got cocky and vowed to not masturbate and failed after 40 days or so. Eventually I lost faith in such ideas and God altogether, so there’s no use. I just don’t know what else to do. It’s a perpetual cycle of “I can restart my life tomorrow.” I’m sometimes tempted to just stop caring about self-improvement, but I’m too obsessive to go through with that, and I don’t want o have regrets. I like the idea of dopamine fasting, the problem is my thoughts are so entertaining and intrusive that I can never escape. Inaction is my problem, I need to do things. But I guess old habits die hard.

>>19481064
>No, they just sit down, chug their coffee and work for 10 hours straight like they have every day for the last 10 years.
this is impressive to you?

>>19481236
Well you're a young adult. You should plan your failures in advance. It's steps forward at a time.

>>19479184
amazing how much cope these generate. well done

>>19481265
All that (water w) salt and you still haven't done anything monumentous.

>>19481237
No retard

it feels like we've been having this thread every other day for years

>>19477312
Anon, you should get meds. You have no idea how life changing they were to me. I struggled for years trying to fix my adhd alone but once I got access to meds my life changed. Fixing it is beyond your capabilities

>>19481554
I imagine a lot of people here struggle with ADHD. Social media in general and this site in particular are really stimulating to ADHD havers because of the constant novelty. There's always a new thread, a new post, a new (you).

I'm diagnosed with ADHD-PI. The debate around whether ADHD is 'real' or not is stupid and irrelevant. I don't agree with Foulcault on much but his relatavist analysis on the medicalisation of mental illnesses is pretty spot on. Perhaps we shouldn't medicalise them and name them as abnormal, but that doesn't change the fact that my brain works differently to the average brain. I'm 31 as well, not some hyper zoomer school kid.

I tried medication (Vyvanse) but after a month the good effects tailed off and I just found that it made me better at hyperfocusing on procrastination, and weirdly made my brain far more inclined to degenerate behaviour. I never normally watch porn, but Vyvanse led to me becoming fixated with it. That's when I knew it wasn't for me. Not saying meds don't work for everyone OP, just my experience on the matter.

The hard truth of the matter that a lot of people with ADHD will reeeeeee about is that there is a lot you can do for yourself meds or no meds, and whilst ADHD makes that hard, it still should never be an excuse. At the very least, you should be:

-Sleeping 8+ hours every night with a consistent bedtime and waking up time
-Eating a diet high in protein and fat and low in simple carbs.
-Not eating sugar at all.
-Getting adequate micronutrients, especially Vitamin D. If in doubt, check your bloodwork.
-Exercising at least 3-4 times a week but ideally every day. Lifting is probably best for a variety of reasons, but whatever gets you off the couch works.
-Meditating for at least 20 minutes every day.
-Limiting alcohol to very occasional use (and accepting that your ADHD symptoms will go through the roof the days following a heavy session) or cutting it out completely.
-Getting out into daylight for at least 40 minutes every day - ideally into nature (or a park if you're in a city)
-Cut out all video games and anything else that you find burning out your dopamine receptors (porn, social media etc)

I try to do all of that everyday. Sometimes I slip up, but for the most part I do all of those every day. And it helps me to lead a functional life. It doesn't make me superman, but they are things within my control that I can do to lessen my symptoms. You probably can't start doing them all at once if you're in a massive pit of ADHD despair. That's OK - start with the adequate sleep, and maybe the diet changes as well. Add in the rest slowly as your capacity to take on more increases as you begin to help yourself more. You got this.

Oh, and one last thing - black coffee is your friend (as long as you stop drinking it early enough in the day to be able to sleep well at night)

>>19477312
We need aslyums for you people

>>19482136
Please specify the last point. Why is black coffee a friend and when is it appropriate do drink it?

>>19482136
>but that doesn't change the fact that my brain works differently to the average brain.
you are literally asking to be average. or worst, you are literally asking they medicate in name of the average "mind". what a putrid view of yourself.

>>19482263
Did you read the rest of my post? I said I decided I didn't like meds and that I can rise above both my own mind and that of the average person with a strict routine that builds physical, mental, and spiritual discipline.
>>19482237
Sure, it was slightly tongue in cheek, but not too much. I've found that black coffee can help mitigate a lot of the worst symptoms of ADHD, without any of the horrible side effects of medication. We know it's safe because it has been drunk for thousands of years. It's natural as well, and it's tasty as fuck. I do take tolerance breaks every now and again to stop getting too addicted on it, but it is a gift to ADHD people like me.

>>19482289
>rise above
are you lying to yourself this hard?. you want to be average, all what you say is just to be a "functional" member of society. you don´t rise above anything. what im trying to say is that you need to believe in the "average mind" to accept you have a disorder called adhd-pi. it really isn´t important if you take meds or making this hard schedule in yourself.

>>19477471
what is the app name anon?

>>19482318
Literally just did this for a /pol/ thread. Under no illusion over here that my mind is above average. Post yours retard if you're going to chat shit in /lit/

>>19482334
ok. whatever, what a retard comment.

>>19482358
That's what I thought. Jog on midwit.

>>19481182
No, they don't. We don't have adderall too, I think adderal has an effect on that, but if it does you can just stop taking them (and maybe try another med). As another anon already said they have no long term effect so if you don't like them you can just stop taking them, or take them only for a few days a week and then take a break, etc

>>19482136
This is literally all bullshit, stop with the dumb opinions that medications are all bad. No, sleeping enough will not cure your adhd. Yes, having healthy habits will help when you take meds for that, because your brain has a chemical imbalance. You are born with adhd, and you will die with it. It's like autism, you can help ease some symptoms but will will be autistic for your entire life. Also: these things are extremely hard to do when you have adhd and not on medication. I have been trying to live an healthy life for years, and I have never succeded. It doesn't matter how much I try because I have an extremely severe form of adhd.
Changing habits is very good for your adhd, but most people need help to do that. Just because you had a bad experience with meds it doesn't mean OP will have one too. Also, you can try other medications.

>>19482554
Did you read the part where I said word for word:
>That's when I knew it wasn't for me. Not saying meds don't work for everyone OP, just my experience on the matter.
Of course meds help some people. I think people should try them and work it out for themselves. That's what I did. And I never claimed that good habits cured by ADHD - just that they helped lessen the symptoms, which they do. If you're going to pick an argument with me that's cool, but take a quote from something I've actually said and then argue against it rather than seething at some random bullshit you pulled out your own ass. I'll give you an example of how to do this below:
>It doesn't matter how much I try because I have an extremely severe form of adhd.
Of course it matters you retard. I'm not you, and no one but you can know what it is like to be you, but I can say for certain that there is a huge difference between doing nothing compared to at least trying to get adequate sleep, a good diet, wholesome exercise, and cultivated mindfulness. Doing all that is hard and sure, you will keep failing at it and having to pick yourself up and try again. But little by little you can build good habits into your life that even with severe ADHD means you can manage a good life. Yes you will still have ADHD but it will be more managable. I know this from experience. In my late teens and early twenties I was a huge fuck up. I could barely function. I had to drop out of med school. I was broke because I had no way of controlling money spend. I spent all day on porn and video games, and most nights drinking or smoking until the early hours, and then getting 4 hours sleep, and then doing it all again. I'm 31 now with a great job, a great wife, the first draft of a completed novel on my desk, and money in the bank. It took a whole decade of ups and downs to get here - it does not happen overnight. I made a thousand mistakes along the way and still do. But by continuing to try and refusing to become a victim of my ADHD I have built a great life for myself. You can choose to do that anon. Or you can choose to not try, to become a fat loner NEET who in ten years looks back and wonders whether things could have possibly gone any different. It's up to you.

>>19481182
My experience of Vyvanse is that when I was on it I did think slightly differently. My thoughts did feel narrower but more focused, and I guess that yeah, that may well have impacted on creativity. But I don't think it would have any long term effect when you're not on it. Try it for yourself, and if you don't like it, stop taking it. That really is the best advice - a month or two on a medication isn't going to cause any long lasting changes to your brain.

>>19481514
The antecedent of "they" was "anyone impressive"

Learn how to construct a proper sentence if that's not what you meant, ESL

>seeing this thread and contemplating how seriously and solemnly unique human beings are judging themselves based on the judgment of actual pseud-scientists-technocrats.
>stirner pic

>>19482554
>This is literally all bullshit,
No it isn't. It just depends on the severity of your symptoms. For some people with mild ADHD it will probably help. For someone such as yourself, it might not, but even if it is not a silver bullet it will improve the quality of your life if you can implement things like a healthy amount of sleep, good exercise, and diet.

Just quit caffeine and take 500mg of L-Theanine every morning to improve your concentration.

Concerning your porn addiction, caffeine is among other things a (weak) aphrodisiac, you should be able to get rid of it if you also make the porn websites inaccessible. You can do that within the browser but it's better to use the hosts file of your computer for that. If you use Ubuntu just type "sudo nano /etc/hosts" and add something like
127.0.0.1 pornhub.com
127.0.0.1 www.pornhub.com

to the bottom of the file. It should work similar on Windows but you should stop using Windows as well. It's better to use the hosts file because it takes longer to enable sites again, your consciousness has more time to react and ask if you really want to do it.

>>19482930
>>19482788
This feels > reals garbage is insane. Your vegan meat cope w drinking coffee (btw guys ppl drink tons of coffee in prison if they have adhd and it doesn't help it makes it worse, your whole brain lights up) is telling.

I'm actually going to correct the guy I'm defending since there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance but the solutions y'all are suggesting will not in a million years cure adhd and no matter how severe or less, ritalin will outwork every possible external and tangential thing you may come up with. No matter how perfect you are you still not solving the problem won't help.

>>19482972
>quit caffeine
Barely ever take it. If I do I drink green or black tea, plenty of l-theanine in that.

>take 500mg of L-Theanine every morning to improve your concentration
I used to take 400mg L-Theanine every now and then. It made me feel quite groggy and out of focus without caffeine.

>porn blockers
I have them. They work in the sense that they give me more time to think about what I’m doing. I always get around them though.

>>19482324
I use Avocation for habit tracking,
and BodyFast for intermittent fasting

>see thread
>"huh, there could be something helpful in here"
>skim read everything
>retain nothing

>>19482798
My premise was that if someone is impressive, then they work hard. You committed the fallacy of affirming the consequent. Don't worry if you don't get it right now. I know this kind of basic propositional logic is not taught in high school any more.

>>19477312
Those books are cool but you don't need any of them. What you need is to take action.

>>19483744
I have done a „dopamine detox“ a bunch of times already.
Yes it helps but it’s not a practical solution to these problems unless you want to live as a hermit.
Once the „detox“ period is over I slowly go back to old habits as coping mechanisms for the stress caused by procrastination, which does not get better too much from the detox.
Yes, I can focus slightly better, I procrastinate slightly less but I still find more than enough ways to distract myself. Be it just staring at the fucking wall, singing, dancing, drumming on my table.

>>19483838
Then you should make your detox period longer. You don't have to live like a hermit and limit yourself to lifting and reading like the pic says. I limited myself to assignments and other school work, since that's what I kept running from, and reading is one of my means of procrastination.

The pic already warns against idleness like daydreaming or staring at the wall. If you can shut yourself off from all distractions and still make yourself procrastinate, I don't know what to tell you.

>>19477312
The ADHD cycle can be very disparaging for people but I want to mention that our entire society is basically suffering from intense concentration issues. Average person is spending 9+ hours on their phone a day. The attention economy is real and it’s having horrible effects on our minds
It’s also been engineered to be one of the hardest addictions to break since it’s all encompassing. All of this is to say, with meds or without them, fixing your attention is going to be excruciating. It’s one of the hardest things you can do. But it’s in part because it was made that way

>>19477715
Habits are replaced with habits. You need to replace habits with good habits otherwise you end up with a worse habit or an addiction. There's also the whole willpower thing. Willpower wears you down so you have to avoid having the temptation in the first place so there's nothing to tempt you.

>>19477312
ADHD is a neurobiological condition that you probably won't be able to overcome simply by understanding it better. It hast do do with how your brain is wired on a fundamental level. Behavioral therapy combined with medication can assist with managing it. But knowlege of what it is will not rewire your brain. It certainly does benefit you however to know about your condition however. That knowlege just won't be curative.

>>19483947
It's true that digital tech is giving people a kind of "acquired adhd" the difference however is that if you remove the offending stimuli (take away the devices) the behavior goes away. Actual ADHD cases are like that all the time unless you get them to stop tweaking out.

>>19477312
No. ADHD is a neurological defect. I am genetically defective. Beating yourself up over it because Joe Rogan tier idiots that have never had an intellectually challenging job in their lives don’t understand and hate medications is some cutting off your nose to spite your face shit. You can become semi-functional if you get an abnormally high amount of exercise, your diet is perfect, and you take a bunch of supplements every day. Or you could just get treatment and enjoy being alive.

>>19477417
My average day:
8am: I should be studying.
...
8pm: I should be studying.

>>19483674
You're so full of shit lmfao

>>19484344
okay retard

>>19484143
>>19484113
>wanting to be reliant on meds

>>19484413
You live a very simple life. People need meds sometimes. Sometimes it's life threatening.

>>19477417
This sounds like hell

>>19484387
cope more, ESL

>>19477312
Lift weights, do cardio, sauna, just do your shit for a set time and goal a day.

>>19484634
Ngmi

>>19477417
My morning:
2:00am wake up and get ready
2:30am drive to work and get coffee for free on the way if I didn't have cold brew at home (duncan donuts updates their system every night at 2:40 and will give free coffee and sandwiches during this update)
3:00am work at costco (daily average steps from this is 11 miles)
10:00am get off work and drive to gym and lift weights and read in between sets
11:30am drive home and gorge on food
1pm stop fucking around and do some school work
4pm eat again and have a drink
6pm bed

If I quit drinking I think I would lose 30lbs within 2 months.

>>19477312
>I keep a bullet journal and a calendar, I do concentration exercises daily, I exercise regularly, I try my best to avoid excessive internet consumption
You're just an addicted weakling. I know because I am too

>>19484674
what ever you say. you know im right. this is a lit board, try to write properly.
i won't even brother arguing how fucking dumb your premise is.

>>19484797
Graduate hs before you post again

i use simple lined, hole-punched paper. each sheet lasts two days. i number the hours of the day from 7am - 10pm on the side and write out how i want my day to go.

then when im done i put it in a duotang notebook for safekeeping

>>19481064
you've probably never met anyone really impressive. they are typically very regimented people, and do things on their own time, not on yours. they won't say, "I gotta wait another 45 minutes until I have my coffee" like an autistic retard, instead they'll say "How about we meet in 45 for a coffee?"

>>19484143
>I want to be functionaaaaaal
why normies are so retarded?.

>>19484842
>>19484842
My point was that the idea that you can micromanage your daily schedule to maximize your productivity is pure folly. Actual successful people don't bother delaying their caffeinated drinks until Huberman says it's optimal. They don't wait until 4-6 hours after their temp minimum to begin working in 90 minute cycles. Successful people don't think about these things at all because it's all just unnecessary mental overhead that impedes profitable effort. Impressive people become impressive by putting in consistent, focused work toward their goals over a long period of time. Not by following Huberman's autistic productivity maximization plan. If they want a coffee, they just have a coffee. They don't wait until the optimal caffiene ingestion window according to science.
Now just because people that are successful work hard every day, you cannot infer that people that work hard every day are all successful. That is a fallacy.
Sorry if you're still confused, but I don't have time to tutor children.

>>19485079
Not him but this makes a good point. Even assuming you yourself are materially in a decent shape, how do you deal w random inspiration? Write it down for later? Ignore it?

Just about every problem I experience with focusing or getting things done comes down to lifestyle problems that I don't realize I'm letting slip in until they get bad enough to actually impede me and make me reassess. Start taking supplements, not gay snake oil or generic multivitamins. Shit like zinc, magnesium, vitamin d, etc. are all necessary for making your brain do everything it's meant to and are all almost entirely absent in people's normal diets.

>tomorrow I won't use the computer!
>use it to check mail
>5 hours pass
AAAAAAAA

>>19482334
Fuck you asshole I spent 40 mins of my life doing this bullshit only to get hit with a paywall at the end. It was super easy, would've easily beat you.

>>19485897
Do the swedish mensa one. That's accurate. I took the regular after and it was similar.

>>19485910
>Your IQ is estimated to be: 126, or more
Easy. I think I got every question right

>>19485993
It says it can't tell you your score if you get them all right or all wrong. It stops at 145 i think

>>19485993
>>19485998
That's how much i got btw but they give you 5 tests and as long as you get 98th percentile on one you get in

>>19485998
It won't tell you your score past 126 THOUGH
>>19486006
Damn should I join my local MENSA? Do I get any benefits out of it?

>>19486029
You can get cheaper car insurance but it's from some big brand so it was cheaper to get a smaller company. I never went to the meetings or anything and iq and even intelligence seems dumb to me. My friend told me to take it.

>>19486034
Maybe it's a good networking opportunity

>>19486058
Maybe, I read an article where in 2016 they were all nerdy about iq and statistics and other alt right crap. They publish a magazine for ppl to look at but I haven't seen them do anything w their subculture.

>>19486078
Is this just the Swedish branch or are they all like this? It would be funny if I come in as a brownoid and blow their minds with my iq score.

>>19486110
Lmao no it'd be dope. I don't think it's as big now as it was then but I thought it was a us one. Either way I'm sure they're still nerdy about iq scores but I do think the alt right "redpills" have been worked out already.

>>19482334
>online IQ test
BRUUUUH

>>19485144
org-capture

>>19477312
I didn't have autism before reading pic related. Now I'm a hell of an autist.

>>19483020
>Your vegan meat cope w drinking coffee
I never mentioned that in my post, I don't know what you're talking about

>>19485326
Megadose vitamin D, take like 20,000iu every day. I take modafinil everyday too which is hit or miss, but that's mainly because I have untreated sleep apnea and the NHS is a fucking terrible service that needs to die, been waiting 2 years and still haven't even been examined.

Modafinil is good shit though even if you don't have sleep problems, it's like adderal without the jittery speed rush. Everyone and their mother in silicon valley takes modafinil and microdoses shrooms or LSD, probably most effective if you add some Lion's Mane and Turmeric which you can just buy on amazon. I've finally finished growing some shrooms, going to microdose and increase my neuroplasticity. Some honorary mentions are Piracetam and Phenylpiracetam which are also capable of increasing neuroplasticity and has been used to effectively treat alzheimers

>>19489010
Well I quoted two so one of them must have had some long list about how to get 10% extra focus and the other may have supported it etc

I forgot my planner notebook at home today. It had been helping me a lot. I literally feel like I suddenly became blind and completely helpless.

>>19489601
>anon mentions taking vitamins is necessary for health
>"take speed and mushrooms lmao silicon valley bro"

>>19477312
>have ADHD
>read 4+ self help books
Bruh

>>19490396
>hyperfocus

Last year I have tried to read Capitalist Realism and in someone chapter Fisher said that ADHD is the quintessential symptom of hyper capitalism or some shit.

Can some please post that passage?

>>19482334
I score about the same and I'm confirmed at like 100 verbal and 115 spatial from a full mental evaluation irl.

>>19490439

>>19490396

>>19490414
Thank you.

I read all of those books as procrastination of other things and over the span of 2/3 days because I didn’t use the internet during that time and craved stimulation.
As I’ve also stated I’m working very hard on my concentration abilities every fucking day.

How do you even get the idea that people with ADHD can’t focus on anything?
The issue is they can’t focus on the „right“ thing. So if my studies are difficult/boring, I’ll default to the most accessible more stimulating alternative. If I set up my environment in a way that that alternative is a book then I can read the book.
If I have my phone/computer around it’s the internet.
If I have nothing interesting/stimulating around I’ll just drum a beat, sing something, play with pens or just zone out and daydream.

>>19490439
>>19491140
While I get what he means I don’t think it’s nuanced enough.
The predisposition is there even without hyper-consumerist culture and it’s distractions.

My grandfather could never sit still, he was once arrested because he was daydreaming while walking and didn’t hear the police telling him to halt multiple times.
My father spent his days in school listening and searching for new channels on the radio instead of studying. He is now always checking and answering his e-mails and a proper workaholic, while still struggling with procrastination and staying on topic when giving presentations.
I grew up with video games, high-speed internet porn, social media, easy access to drugs. I have the same tendencies as them, the hyper-consumerist environment just allowed me to develop worse habits.

ADHD is quite well studied, it’s clearly genetic predispositions that lead to it. I don’t think those predispositions developed over the last 4 generations.

Heinrich Hoffmann, a German Psychiatrist published the children’s book “Stuwwelpeter” in 1844. With “Zappelphilipp” (Fidget-Phillip) and “Hans-guck-in-die-Luft” (Hans-stare-at-the-sky) he describes two manifestations, which we would now call ADHD and ADD respectively, of these genetic predispositions quite clearly.

have you ever thought that you want to do things that aren't interesting? just give up on them

>>19491686
...someone alse will do it, don't worry :)

>>19477312
For me becoming religious literally inverted my grades since I can now focus and sitting down and reading doesn't give me a heart attack.

>>19491686
Yes, I have.

The problem is my interests change quite sporadically. I can’t start a new life every two months only because I find something else interesting. I want a family and a moderately comfortable life.

>>19492006
I do pray to Jesus Christ a lot, asking him to help me be a better student. It helps sometimes but these problems still persist.

>>19492111
Trips obviously symbolize trinity of the one true god.

1 Holy Spirit
1 Jesus Christ
1 God

At least you're still trying OP. There's a lot (not really, but still quite a few) people like you out there. Some make it, some don't. You got farther than I ever could. In my case it's fucked, I've been in front of a screen and eating fast food/ drinking soda all my life, I can literally feel the goop my brain has become, no hope left. But one method I can recommend is perhaps overindulgence. Eventually my mind becomes bored of those things. Like soda and chips for example. I had them so much I just get disgusted by them now. Didn't help me much, but it may help you

The Hunter-Gatherer pill is the greatest redpill behind ADHD of all time

>>19479184
I don't know about anything else, but white noise. White noise is your absolute best friend, is your daemon; the spirit of creativity; the conditional variable that (You), the pavlovian —'writer'— dog follow to let your ideas emerge.

Read with white noise, meditate with white noise, write with white noise. The activation of every single one of your synapses and thoughts impinging your spine for empathy, an empathy that gives you a resource, an invaluable one.

Use white noise. I post with white noise; use it, watch but most importantly, see.