/lit/ - Literature

>>19471487
I think excrement is mentioned in mythology, though I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. Myths certainly mention disconcerting bodily functions more often than you'd expect for something about divine beings. The Bible, too. Dysentery and diarrhoea are often described in war memoirs. Psychoanalysis discusses shit (and man's horror of it) a lot. Ernst Becker discusses it at length in The Denial of Death. And didn't Milan Kundera describe kitsch as "the denial of shit"?

>>19471487
Read some Bataille

>>19471487
Ulysses

>>19471487
There isn't? My Diary Desu is filled with pooping. That's pretty much the only thing I do all day

>>19471487
I was just thinking about this the other day, in conjunction with the Bechdel test. With how useless it is to determine good literature, I figured we could instead judge books based off of in their character takes a shit and how well described it is.
I call it "The Bristol Test."

Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.

And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it.

Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.

Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.

Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, behold, I will break the staff of bread in Jerusalem: and they shall eat bread by weight, and with care; and they shall drink water by measure, and with astonishment:

That they may want bread and water, and be astonied one with another, and consume away for their iniquity.
Ezekiel 4:9-17

>>19471510
I just recently have been reading a lot of greek and norse mythology, I read all of Hamiltons Mythology, I'm not saying that it's in any way exhaustive but there was not a single case of pooing. If you can find an examples I'd be genuinely interested.

>>19471577
To be fair, I remember Hamilton's Mythology being a bit sanitised. I'm not even sure if it's Greek mythology I'm thinking of or mythology more generally

>>19471487
You'll want 20th century German existentialism for that.

>>19471590
kek

>2011
>i am forgotten

>>19471641
Let me slightly rephrase my OP.
Why is there never pooing in good literature?
See picrel.
Now what I'm wondering is why was pooing not one of the things summoned by the medievals to worship God?

>>19471487
Read Knausgård
>>19471590
German excrementalism

>>19471487
The serious answer to this is because material reality is the waste product of spiritual reality and bodily waste is the waste product of that material reality. So it doesn't get much more detached from anything lofty.

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>>19471487
Isn't there an entire chapter in Gravity's Rainbow about a dude eating and chewing shit from the queen's asshole in front of an entire court of people and cumming while doing so?

it's covered a great deal in this book
great book btw

>>19471487
Because it's fucking disgusting and just an unimportant chore we have to do.

Sancho shits his pants and Don Quixote throws up lol!

>This beautiful and nearly flawless travel memoir is marred by this unfortunate sentence on page 121: "On the way to the library, I made kaka in my pants." Wha? Here's this fabulous surreal narrative about Greece, and suddenly the narrator doesn't just shit himself, he "makes kaka?" Skip page 121. (less)
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goodreads on colossus of maroussi

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>>19471577
Maui, the polynesian sun god gets swallowed by a whale (sunset) and then comes out through the anus of said whale, on the other side of the world (sunrise). That’s the closest thing to pooping i can think of right now

>>19471842
I'm not saying it should be included in art, like this >>19471824 sounds disgusting and I'll never read that shit. But you say it's (a) disgusting, and (b) unimportant. It's definitely disgusting but it is definitely not unimportant. Normally revolting things that are important are very moving to us, disease, decay, mangled corpses, but poo we treat differently. What is different about poo?

>>19471869
It's unimportant as in it is just a minor task that we have to do. It's not like food or water where you actually have to go out of your way to get it to survive. Shitting just happens as an unwanted side effect of eating that we have to put up.

>>19471891
>Shitting just happens as an unwanted side effect of eating
I wish. Zeus has punished me with the worst torture known to mankind, constipation

>>19471954
and thats what makes it so shit (hehe) its disgusting and such a menial annoying task you have to over focus

>>19471957
Absolutely
We should revolt against the gods and engineer ourselves a better body, with a better way of excreting, or without the need to in the first place

>>19471984
very true

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>>19471522
this you retard op. maybe read a real book instead of pop lit.

did jesus take shits?

>>19472140
Yes

>>19472140
He wanted alone time to pray and take care of business.

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>>19471984
Psyllium husk. Trust me. It's like shitting marshmallows and it's over in under a minute. The only downside is that consuming psyllium husk is like forcing yourself to swallow thousands and thousands of slimy, rapidly expanding insect eggs. I don't have a problem with that because I'm a sexual deviant

>>19471487
Bataille. De Sade.

>>19471487
“Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.”
Are you even trying OP?

>>19471487
Slaughterhouse 5 has a scene of intense shitting.

>>19471487
This is fucking disgusting. Who's the anal retentive nigger that keeps posting about this.

Durrrr any poopy book for nigger like me?
Keep acting like that and you'll end up like Gargantua and Pentagruel.

>>19471516
Don't fucking read Bataille. Bataille was kiked out the wazoo! Literally inheritted Walter Benjamin's manuscripts after his death.
If you think he's based, you need to get a grip.
This psyoping of Nietzsche and pigeon-holing him into being a leftist is the biggest faggot cope I've ever had the mispleasure of dealing with.

>>19471510
Could someone give me an example/recommendation of psychoanalysis on shit?

OP has a point, when was the last time you read about burping in classical literature?

Test

>>19471487
It's because golden age humans did not poop. This is obvious. We are a much more fallen race at this point.

>>19471487
Read the marquis de Sade, especially 120 Days of Sodom, wherein he mentions a lot of pooping. For example, how old lechers would pay very young girls, some of them street urchins, others servant girls and what not, to poop and pee for them, sometimes in chamber pots or even in their own culottes (i.e. panties). In fact, that huge tome is basically an 18th century paean to poor working class girls peeing and pooping for old leches and misers.

>>19471487
There is, but you just don't know about it. Look "Gracias y Desgracias del Ojo del Culo" by Francisco de Quevedo.

>>19473664
>wherein he mentions a lot of pooping.
get a grip, man

>>19471487
Start with Hogg

>>19472971
Mishima liked Bataille

"I was a young kid, just starting college, first time living in a dorm and all the rest. It was a big dorm, basically an apartment-like complex. The laundromats were in the basement; start using them soon after I move in. I use them at night. Orphaned panties and bras are a common sight, principally in the lost and found, but also forgotten in dryers and what not. I get the urge to discretely confiscate some while doing my own laundry (an excellent alibi, kill two birds with one stone, etc). Decide best time for the mission is late at night. So I go down, coast is clear; put my laundry in the washer; look around and notice a basket full of fresh girl's dirty laundry. Like a vulture I alight and take a quick scan. I find my rancid prey and steal them quick: couple of appetizing, dainty panties. Then as I'm getting ready to leave I notice another laundry basket with yet more feminine booty to plunder. I go at it and quickly find more stale unmentionables to nab: my stash consists of four or five used knickers, which I readily put in my backpack and skid-addle. When I reach my dorm room I'm flushed, hot and bothered, and ready to sniff out my prize. But when I take them out what do I find: not once, not twice, but thrice (from the two respective baskets): *shit* that's so thick, layered, and caked that it looks like mud (but it hell doesn't smell like mud, but rather like what it is: old, sour-smelling, dried poop). I think to myself is it possible that this is a common occurrence in this supposedly bourgeois and civilized college I attend? Is it possible that it's a quotidian matter that girls either don't know or just don't bother with a half assed effort to wipe well? Doesn't so much caked on shit, in a little thin and dainty cotton panty, end up stinking to high heaven during class, lunch, cheerleading practice, whatever it easy these literally dirty-assed girls were doing with their day? I expected to find girl's dirty laundry, which I did: but hidden in those baskets was the fact that the school was full of dirty girls. Girls who it literally appeared would have been better off still wearing diapers--certainly as far as the massacre committed to their panties was concerned."

>>19472966
>Who's the anal retentive nigger that keeps posting about this.
It’s a Jewish autist

>>19471683
yes

>>19472140
he if could go for 40 days withouth eating, he could spend that much time withouth shitting too

>>19471487
This book goes into pooping at length and its role in japanese culture

>>19471487
Pantagruel and Gargantua, Don Quixote, Gulliver's Travels all contain pissing and shitting jokes.

>>19471487
Pooping is actually a capitalist invention and didnt exist until 1887 to benefit the toilet market.

similar to bicameral theory Im sure you can belive that before a certian time period (HOMER) man did not poop

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>>19472966
No reading comprehension. I said why isn't pooping included in literature, not 'I want to read about shit, recomend me lit' I don't want shit in what I read, and If I come across some modern writing with some description of pooing I'll close that book. I'm wondering at what exactly is different about shit compared to other base animal things that it can not be included in literature.
>>19472966
Not him.
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>>19476090
Interesting. I can see why you'd want to beleive that the golden age men did not poo, but curious that they can still bleed, sweat, spit, sleep, they can do everything that comes along with an animal body, but not poo.
>>19476079
>jokes
Yes I thought as much, so is poo the root of humour? Think about it, it might have been the first joke, and everything else are immitations of it. A lot of humour relies on pointing out what in a man is closer to animal than divine. Slapstick does this, even mocking someone for being ugly or having an ugly feature is this, fart jokes are definitely this.

>>19476478
>If I come across some modern writing with some description of pooing I'll close that book
retard

>>19476028
Shit, I recommended that book here. Maybe I should actually read it

>>19471683
>Now what I'm wondering is why was pooing not one of the things summoned by the medievals to worship God?

We use the visual landscape more than we recognize. We, atleast as men see pee, we see spit, blood, cum and sweat. But when we poop we simply look at the button that takes that god forsaken matter out of sight as soon as possible.

>>19471487
here ya go

>>19471487
if you were talking to someone you've never met would you talk about shitting

>>19471487
In Child of God the main character Lester Ballard takes a shit

>>19472368
Seconding the Psyllium husk. My strategy is to take a shallow drinking glass, put about a tablespoon of dry husk powder in it, then use the high pressure spray setting on the kitchen sink to blast it and mix it with water and swallow that as fast as possible. If you give it any time to "dissolve" with the water it will turn into a sludge with the foulest texture of anything that has ever been in my mouth. The taste is neutral. The texture is hellish. Anyway a few times a week I swallow some psyllium husk powder before bed and drink tons of water, and the next morning taking a shit is perfect. i think it helps to push everything out.

>>19472971
Bataille was a leftist only for a little while retardo

>>19471487
Because humans need to see themselves as separate from animals

Men shitting is common as a form of vulgar humor, but I can't think of any authors writing about women shitting other than GURM.

>>19471487
It's interesting when Michel De Montagine talks about this aspect of ourselves and really puts into presepctive how absturd Human Beings are, even those we consider "great".

He writes: ‘to learn that we have said or done a stupid thing is nothing, we must learn a more ample and important lesson: that we are but blockheads… On the highest throne in the world, we are seated, still, upon our arses.’ And, lest we forget: ‘Kings and philosophers shit, and so do ladies'

He would also say things like imagine Plato writing the Republic, a timeless work of art, and think about how many times he farted while writing that. He holds up a mirror to ourselves as being inadequate by default. "Our life", Montaigne writes, "consists partly in madness, partly in wisdom"

>>19481663
based post and based Montaigne

>>19481663
I came here to post this. Montaigne makes some excellent points about our less aesthetically pleasing bodily functions. one could say he was the first SHITposter

>>19481663
>think about how many times he farted while writing that.
Absurd, so obviously true but so far from your imagination.

>>19482507
Haha indeed

>>19471487
Patrick Suskind mentions shitting multiple times in Perfume.

>>19471487
tfw when nobody wants to actually be reminded who we are

tfw all books are cope

tfw books about pooping is doomer philosophy

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>>19482809
Extremely based, shitting is an existential terror

>Excreting is the curse that threatens madness because it shows man his abject finitude, his physicalness, the likely unreality of his hopes and dreams. But even more immediately, it represents man's utter bafflement at the sheer non-sense of creation: to fashion the sublime miracle of the human face, the mysterium tremendum of radiant female beauty, the veritable goddesses that beautiful women are; to bring this out of nothing, out of the void, and make it shine in noonday; to take such a miracle and put miracles again within it, deep in the mystery of eyes that peer out-the eye that gave even the dry Darwin a chill; to do all this, and to combine it with an anus that shits! It is too much. Nature mocks us, and poets live in torture.

Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

>>19471487
Freud, Zizek, Deleuze, Jung, social anthropology. All of the great schizos value the shitter.

>>19482955
Does this mean that scat fetishists are immune to existential terror?

>>19471487
There is. Read the first law by abercrombie joe.