/lit/ - Literature

>Talentless incel grifter jumps on the anti-woke bandwagon...
Imagine my shock

>>19308100
if you're a white, straight, male gentile, you are not getting published

you have to come to terms with that and then find workarounds, and this man did

>>19308100
the irony is you complaining about this is admitting there is female privilege in publishing

>>19308100
>Talentless
Not so talentless that he couldn't get published by pretending to have a vagina.

>>19308100
The reason why you’re hostile towards this is because you’re unable to reconcile with your fragility.
It’s much easier to call someone an incel than to cognitively acknowledge discrimination that you perpetuate, or even potentially benefit from.
Incel, by the way, used as an accusation or insult implies that you gauge the value of the male character on how sexually active he is with women, which is an expression of your internalized misogyny and advocation of rape culture

>right wing populous newspaper
dropped. women don't have it easier, you just need to deflect the blame from yourself for why your life is shit

>>19308177
>women don't have it easier,

repeat it thrice more, it might be true

>>19308182
cope more. work on yourself instead of blaming others

>>19308104
>straight male gentile
FTFY
Spaniards aren't white and even they had to pretend to be women to be published.

Companies/Publishers can platform/publish who they want you dumb commies. The government isnt going to open a "fair" publishing company for you. Start your own if you dont think its fair

>>19308219
It's not about changing laws to "fix" reality, it's about acknowledging a prejudice. I mean, they're free to publish whoever they want, but the preferences are there, and they force people who are just as capable to work harder than others in order to prove their worth.

>>19308229
Tough shit thats reality. Almost every sector of employment has prejudices, if they think they can sell more with a young woman they are going to do it. Should modeling companies be forced to hire fat balding men?

>>19308233
Yes. Actually, since they’re hiring ugly fat women all the time. Bout time you double standard roasties missed out too.

Women in publishing are more like squatters in an abandoned building.
In a way it’s our own fault for abandoning the building.
But it really made perfect sense because the building was becoming a money pit. Sinking in more and more money and work for less and less value in return.
Don’t waste your time trying to fix traditional publishing

>>19308233
>>19308219
Biden won

>>19308241
if that market is making money then whats the problem. maybe the dude shouldn't write sappy black mirror knockoffs if he wanted to be taken seriously by more serious publications

>>19308254
The problem is the individual discrimination. Are you dense? The whole racial and gender crusade of the past decade has been predicated on the opposite of reality.
White men are disproportionately missing out on all opportunities despite at-least the same competency, because of the narrative that white men are privileged and have no trouble when it comes to career and education, etc.
But occurrences like OP, coupled with the data of hiring by race/gender in all fields in publishing, university education, academics, any intellectual field whatsoever, show less and less white male participation.
The narrative is that white men don’t want to be involved but refer to OP, the man did not change his work, he changed his gender and the work was suddenly more acceptable. This is blatantly what is going on in every facet of the aforementioned institutions and industries and is morally wrong, not based on meritocracy and does nothing to do anything to help equality whatsoever.
It’s just yet another sign that there’s a new underclass.

>>19308271
not reading your commie wall of text

>>19308277
You think I’m a commie because I’m not a soulless capitalist who jerks off over the market? Grow up.

>>19308200
Maybe you should tell that to women who blame the patriarchy?

>>19308277
>>19308254
>>19308233
>>19308219
Absolute retard

>>19308100
>Talentless
And yet as soon as publishers thought he was a woman, he was considered a great writer. Is the bar for women so much lower? Or is there a bias against males in the publishing industry?

>>19308177
Several people did experiments job hunting with fake identities. Brown people and women were the ones who got BY FAR the most opportunities, even with inferior qualifications.

>>19308277
>commie
Holy shit roasties are fucking retarded.

>>19308200
Dude publishing is completely dominated by women, especially short fiction periodicals.

>>19308477
Both

>>19308271
>The narrative is that white men don’t want to be involved
Feminists are huge hypocrites, and they often use against men the same arguments that they deem inacceptable against themselves. Examples:
>Well, men are only a small portion of our industry/institution because they're not interested in joining.
>Women can reject motherhood with abortions, but men can't reject fatherhoods by signing their rights away. They must be forced to be fathers even if it ruins their lives, and that's somehow fair because "if he didn't want kids, he shouldn't have had sex". But denying a woman an abortion with the same argument is evil.

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>>19308479
Where? The only controlled experiments I've seen showed that Black names get great fewer call backs than Hispanics or Whites.

>>19308496
>Black names get great fewer call backs than Hispanics or Whites.
Complete fucking lie. Unless by "controlled" experiment you mean some kikery where the black names had just a middle school diploma and violent felonies on their resumes, while whites had PhDs.

>>19308177
Being a woman in a western first world country in 2021 is like winning the lottery.

>>19308155
>>19308271
>>19308490
Based. May god bless you.

>>19308104
This is accepting the narrative, dont accept it sirs make your own. Reject. Repeat. Rejoice.

>>19308233
and what if they would sell approximately the same but choose to exclude the male solely on the basis of his being male?

>>19308244
>Don’t waste your time trying to fix traditional publishing
Problem is alternatives like self-publishing are not particularly viable and web publishing has its own problems (which probably speak to the greater, cultural/civilizational problem at hand here).

>>19308095
Honestly when does this become discrimination?

They're going to start forcing authors to have webcam sessions with the diversity team to prove they are true believers and truly POCmenists

>>19308155
It was bait. I was baiting you.

>>19308743
Usually when things get too feminized and claustrophobic men fuck off to the basements or the mountains or the deserts and start their own thing. Eventually normies get involved and then women and things get too feminized and godawful so men fuck off and start their own thing
Lather rinse repeat
That’s how the arts work

>>19310127
An age old cycle. Makeup, high heels, politics, writing, education, boy scouts, the military, etc. All of it is very feminine now and the world is worse for it.

>>19309126
face filter blackface, ez

>>19308502
They used identical resumes and only switched names at random.

Where is there one showing blacks gett more responses?

>the matriarchy is keeping us down!!
does /lit/ really

>>19308271
>White men are disproportionately missing out on all opportunities
A little, there's strong mechanisms working against the imbalance us white men enjoy
>>19308271
>underclass.
no way, too strong a word.
As a 6' white male with blue eyes I really can make my way easier than so many others, identifying the current efforts to balance things out, which btw I think is a bit misguided and obnoxious sometimes, is in no way forcing me into an underclass, that's crazy talk.

But if you're a talentless, directionless white guy, I guess you could get all resentful. There's no end of right-wing shitbirds waiting to jerk you off.

>>19308701
Nothing? Really?
Get a fucken grip.

>>19308727
>This is accepting the narrative, dont accept it sirs make your own.
Very great but I'm not sure how this can be accomplished. The only open door is to join the "right wing" landscape and advertise yourself on Gab and all strings attached. but this way you're boxing yourself out of the rest of the entire world and into a specific niche context that is only interested in politics and outrage. The problem with the "alternative" environments is that there is no diversity of interests. An example is art, if you want to break away from mainstream social media and all its politics, the only context you can find if you want to make art, unless you have brain damage and your idea of art includes pornography is I guess the whole "right wing" thing, and on those platforms there is absolutely no art. Creative shit is in a particularly difficult spot if you don't want to be ultra-liberal because pretty much for the whole last century all the arts have been extremely liberal, ruled by extremely liberal people. There's nothing you can really do to "fight the system" when it comes to creative endeavors. Modern conservatives don't really care much about anything but politics and that's probably the biggest problem about conservatism, the conservative's identity is like 95% politics, just like a tranny's identity is 95% politics. The only difference is that the ultra-liberals rule over all creative industries and outlets, and the vast majority of more moderate people with various interests happen to dwell within reach of the ultra-liberals. Right-wing environments for publishing or I would say promoting your work, although that's a dirty word, are completely devoid of moderates who sort of lean there politically.

>>19308100
Agreed. Women are brave and don't have to hide behind pseudonyms to get published.

>>19308095
Just put on some nail polish, dye your hair up real gay and claim to be queer. Then, once the foot is in the door, you can stop being a queer and claim to be a "demisexual", which is basically faggyshionable tumblrspeak for having the sexual mores and appetites of a conservative, traditionalist christian, where you only want to fuck someone if you're spiritually bonded and emotionally invested in the person.

Easy. Even easier if you're american and don't check any of the boxes - just claim to be hispanic or part native american. Elizabeth Warren built an entire career out of it, and it only really backfires if you go full retard and claim to be black like Talcum X or Dolezal. Unlike being black, no one, literally no one can tell if you're hispanic or not.

You think it's undignified, but art has always been debased by the need for patronage. It's part of the game and has been for a long time. A nasty part, sure, but unless you're of aristocratic background and inherited wealth, life is going to be full of indignities.

>>19311015
>You think it's undignified, but art has always been debased by the need for patronage.
This is absolutely false. You have dozens of accounts of artists like Repin or Sargent who were offered to do something that went against their integrity and refused to do so. Just because artists were paid to work - and the greatest works of art ever made were in fact made through payment and not just because someone had a random fancy to make them - doesn't mean that artists in the past were prostitutes with no integrity. In fact many of the great creative people in history lost their patronage, were condemned to exile or even put to death because they wouldn't compromise their integrity. Absolutely none of the artists today would lose a penny over integrity, let alone die for anything.

>>19309260
>Twas merely a jest you pleibian, how couldnt you see that

>>19308496
I'm not him, but I found this:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888
It's a natural experiment, which in my mind is even more trustworthy than an artificial experiment (in this case).

I searched "black blind resume study" and I found this link:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html
(one of the first few responses, not the first response)

tl;dr, the old study had names that poor black people have (lakisha, jamal) vs names that all white people have. the new study compared common non-poor black names (washington, jefferson) with common white names.

It would be interesting to see a study of poor black names vs poor white (southerner) names (bubba, pervis)

>>19308100
Nigger!

>>19308727
live in reality

>>19308095
But isn't this exactly what minorities and women always had to endure that started this mess? So we are seeing what has happened in real time, but to (white) men. I am leaning somewhat against affirmative action, but I think minorities should be highlighted without necessarily artificially lifting them up to the highest tier.

>>19310883
>There's no end of right-wing shitbirds waiting to jerk you off.

>>19308095
What's unironically easier guys to be successful in current year writing biz? Pretending to be a woman and keep yourself a secret or pretending to be a tranny and crossdress and don't make a secret of yourself only of your true self

>>19308095
bitch bitch bitch. all men ever do is bitch. oooh, I had to modify my behavior in order to get what I want in a specific environment, waaah! yeah, you and everybody else, pissbaby.

>>19308095
I have no ethical qualms about doing this myself but I always wonder would it hurt me in the long run? I doubt I'd be able to hide it forever

>>19313242
Nobody would object if black people organized and started publishing books made by blacks. It's not like a rapper or whatever wouldn't have the cash to start a publishing company. Actually this would be "diversity" done right. But the intent isn't promoting minorities, the intent is removing white males and replacing whites with blacks, even though blacks don't read, so that white women can virtue signal about buying books they won't read. It's all just really anti-white-male bullshit so that white people go extinct.

>>19312759
>poor white (southerner) names (bubba, pervis)
lmao who the fuck would hire someone named pervis or bubba, they seem more of a joke than jamal

>>19314060
Fembrained as fuck. You're the cancer of our culture, woman

>>19314049
Go be a groomer some place else you disgusting pedo tranny fuck.

>>19308253
Who?

>>19308253
I dont know why people care about this , Biden , Trump and any other american politician are just the exact same shit

>>19308203
Spaniards are at least white-adjacent, his point still stands.

...do anons actually read books written by women?

>>19315370
Sappho, 源氏物語, and fanfiction

>>19315370
>he didn't start with the Bronte sisters
ngmi

All the posters ITT should put their money where their mouth is and buy my book.

All the diversity stuff is real, and a lot of it is ideological (canadian council for the arts, for example, explicitly states that it will consider "representation" and "voice" when awarding grant money- ie, you darkies better tow the line and if you're a straight white man you can get fucked) , but equally as much of it is financial. Take Markus Dohle, the CEO of Penguin Random House, for example. The aggressive push he's taken the Anglo literary establishment towards young adult fiction aimed at diverse women is entirely based on marketing statistics and the desire to appeal to the single biggest emerging consumer market, which is a growing generation of young third world women who now have disposable incomes and know how to read.

But look, it's never been easier to start a publishing house. Your average author can easily make $5 per book sold, with enough left over to go towards publishing operations, promotions, etc. Mathematically speaking, an obedient and consistent consumer base of around 3,000 disaffected young white men would be enough to pay for consistent production, translations, etc. of the kinds of books dweebs here like to decorate their bookshelf with. The problem is that the average contrarian that browses /lit/ would rather pirate their books and blame the jews when authors stop writing books for them.

Roberto Calasso, the publishing giant in Italy, said that any publishing house is essentially a bookshelf of carefully curated titles. The creation and continued existence of these bookshelves is dependent on steady patronage. There are many publishing houses that don't exclusively cater to wokeshit (FSG is a notable one, owned by Macmillan Publishers which consistently produces decent stuff), but short of moving their operations to rural India like Arktos, small or 'fringe' publishing is unlikely to survive.

>>19315409
I dropped Wuthering Heights desu, too full of women's hysterics

>>19308743
I made $80 on 1 free Facebook ad for my book the other day

>>19310883
Major cringe vibes.

>>19308100
>Talentless clearly not he got published
lol might want to check all those female authors you buy are actually female

>>19316327
What demographic group did you target?

>>19316327
How'd you get a free facebook ad?

>>19316434
Local city buy & sell page

>>19314060
be careful what you wish for inshallah

>>19315550
Thoughts on Antelope Hill?

>>19310883
Why do white male lefties hate themselves so much and kiss the feet of anyone else. It is so cringe.
Oh well, when whites are gone maybe the world will improve with less faggotry and feminism spreading like a disease across the globe. It can really only be a net good for other men.

>>19315550
>an obedient and consistent consumer base of around 3,000 disaffected young white men would be enough to pay
I say it unironically, 3000 young white readers worldwide who will actually buy your book at cover price is almost impossible to achieve unless you are already famous.
Disenfranchised white males act like complete niggers when it comes to consuming media, especially digital or digital-izable media. They're most likely poor, if they're not poor they're extremely hedonistic and immoral. It's a really shitty audience ngl. This is probably why everyone abandoned them as soon as another consumer base that was slightly more naive and idealistic came up. Women actually buy shit.