/lit/ - Literature

>>19228998
>You don't really like Chesterton and O'Connor do you?
I do.

>>19228998
yes

>>19228998
Nigga, you've never read Chesterton (fiction or non). Even Scientologists like Gaiman rec Chesterton.

>>19228998
No I prefer Belloc.

>>19229004
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>>19229026
Sorry I think it's best we stay friends >.<

>>19228998
someone post it.

>>19229058
this?

>>19228998
>trad cath
>talking to a woman
>he thinks women have souls
oh nonono ngmi

>>19229058
>>19229063
I have this one as well

>>19229067
Seethe and cope

>>19228998
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1695/pg1695-images.html

>>19229063
>>19229069
ya thats it. cheers, anon.

how into chesterton and oconnor? never read trad cath lit

>>19229063
What uh... am I looking at? Whose feet are those?

>>19229091
O'Connor's novels are trash, ignore Wise Blood and read A Good Man is Hard to Find first and then maybe Everything That Rises Must Converge. Beyond that idk but you're better off reading other writers though she's only rated on here because of the trad-cath larpers.

>>19229093
https://www.youtube.com/c/paperbackdreams

4u

>>19228998
I wouldn't insult Chesterton by calling him tradcath
>>19229026
Belloc is too much of a schizo to fall into the category

>>19229101
>I wouldn't insult Chesterton by calling him tradcath
Haven't actually read him desu

>>19229101
>I wouldn't insult Chesterton by calling him tradcath
I wouldn't call anyone a tradcath qt all.
Seriously where did this stupid term come from? 13 years of catholic school plus a catholic college, never fucking once heard anyone utter the term "tradcath" until a couple years ago ok the internet. Its a fucking meme. Stop it. Just say catholic.

You can't be a tradcath if you died before Vatican II ended.

>>19229097

“Harcourt sent my book [Wise Blood] to Evelyn Waugh and his comment was: 'If this is really the unaided work of a young lady, it is a remarkable product.' My mother was vastly insulted. She put the emphasis on if and lady. Does he suppose you’re not a lady? she says.”
― Flannery O'Connor, The Habit of Being: Letters of Flannery O'Connor

>how into
O'Connor, start with A Good Man Is Hard to Find. Chesterton, The Dumb Ox.

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>>19229116
Anon I think it was the tradcaths who started calling themselves tradcaths.

>>19229116
Get a load of this tradcath larpers

>>19229123
must be taking a bbc

>>19229116
It's a shorthand way to refer to traditionalist Catholics, who have been around for over 50 years. Most lay Catholics are not aware of them (3/4 of Catholics have never heard of traditionis custodes, the big Papal decree that aims to drive traditionalists to extinction or schism) because they keep to themselves and have an elitist outlook.

>>19229146
>t.average tradcath larper

>>19229116
A tradcath is a Catholic who believes the modern church is too liberal and tolerant. James Martin and Raymond Burke are both Catholic, should we make no distinction between them?

>>19229155
But, to be fair, the term has been watered down to the point that every Catholic who isn't a Catholics For Choice member that supports gay trans priestesses is called a tradcath by morons on the internet.

>>19229067
how would women be admitted to heaven if they had no souls? what a dumb thing to say

>>19229168
He's a tradcath anon he doesn't really believe anything he says

>>19229160
>A tradcath is a Catholic who believes the modern church is too liberal and tolerant
So every non-white catholic?

>>19229067
What kind of self-respecting Catholic thinks that Our Lady has no soul?

>>19229174
That's an over simplification. Tradcaths take reactionary stances towards internal church changes, like avoiding novus ordo liturgy in favor of Tridentine mass and refusing to update away from the Douay-Rheims translation (or the equivalent in their language). The Latin mass thing is THE biggest issue for traditionalist Catholis, which is why the pope threatens it specifically whenever he thinks the traditionalists are stepping out of line. The infamous traditionis custodes order came about because Francis derangement syndrome among traditionalists was causing them to develop crypto-sedevacantist beliefs that went unchallenged in their Latin mass churches.

>>19229050
Great news I didn't want your goblin ass anyway

>>19229123
whats the context? ive been away for a while

>>19229146
No. This is your mentally ill tranny mind in effect.

>>19229261
Nothing, it's not her and she's not fucking a nigger. It is a bunch of cuck fetishists trying to gaslight everyone.

>>19229200
>reactionary
You aren't using that word correctly, you halfwit.

>reactionary

>>19228998
I'd like to cream this girl but she's so annoying I just couldn't

>>19229322
The pope himself said that they do the things they do because they want to reverse course to reach an imaginary past.

>>19229063
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>>19229314
Cope

>>19229392
the pope is a fucking retard toeing the WEF line

>>19229408
>oy vey i've been found out

>>19229421
Dialate

>>19229392
>imaginary past.
the tridentine mass was... imaginary! didn't happen bro

>>19229200
My family still buys the Douay-Rheims as confirmation gifts, but I've never heard them call themselves tradcaths. They're just buying the same Bible their parents gave them.

>>19229424
JUST

>>19229440
I'd say there's a difference between tradcaths (elitists who think everybody else is a modernist heretic) vs. people who just like old aesthetics. Not everybody who attends old masses and prefers old translations is a tradcath, but all tradcaths do those things with some ulterior motives on top.

>>19229091
Chesterton's What's Wrong with the World

>>19229160
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>>19229459
Minor grade autism; tradcath isn't being used here to refer to as an actual ideology, it's an insult against zoomers who larp as traditionalist catholics because its anti-modern. You can see the disconnect here >>19229101 because Chesterton today is exactly what an actual traditionalist Catholic would be- devout, educated, and went to tridentine mass. Zoomer ones just post anime girls on twitter

>>19229505
is chesterton whats wrong with the world? I didnt think he was that bad

>>19229526
Perhaps you should return to Twitter

>>19229575
Its ironic because all the trad larpers hang out on twitter

>>19229097
>ignore Wise Blood
Why though? Wise Blood is unironically a great novel.

What about Walker Percy and his Love in the Ruins? I have only started reading this in polish.

>trad-cath
Traditional Cathy?

I think it's fair to call TradCaths inherently reactionary, not because of this or that policy issue, but because they fall on the right-hand side of really big political questions, because that's where the Church falls.

For example, take the idea of separation of Church and State. The Church is vehemently opposed to it, and not even Vatican 2 reversed this stance. The Church has always believed it has a role to play in the running of the State. Yet this idea is very far to the right of most of the modern West, which has internalized the American idea of the "wall of separation" between Church and State. So, if one truly followed Catholic teaching on this issue, one would indeed be reactionary.

There's also the Church's inherent preference for monarchy and aristocracy as forms of government, it's suspicion of both communism and capitalism, its suspicion of democracy, that sort of thing. You'd absolutely be a reactionary if you followed all of the Church's political teachings and tried to put them into practice.

>>19229691
Shut up tranny

>>19229691
>church clings to outmoded political structures and steadily loses relevence in the developed world
Very cute predicament you've got there christers

>>19229681
nice 1 punchy

>>19228998
It feels good to be a Catholic.
>St. Augustine of Hippo
>Flannery O'Connor
>Shusaku Endo
>Evelyn Waugh
>Seamus Heaney
>Toni Morrison
>Ernest Hemingway
>J.R.R. Tolkien
>Jack Kerouac
>Walter M. Miller Jr.
>Gene Wolfe
>Mary Karr

Who's the girl?

>>19229894
Democracy as a widely accepted system of government isn't going to make it another century, the Church was smart to wait it out.

>>19229050
I like to dissect girls. Did you know I'm utterly insane?

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>>19229069
Divine.

>>19229101
>t. Never read Belloc

>>19229123
Blacked

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>>19228998
How the fuck would you even go about not really liking Chesterton? His writing is extremely enjoyable, top-3 of the English language without question. As Anon already pointed out, even unbearable lefty faggots like Chesterton.

>>19229091
With Chesterton, start with The Man Who Was Thursday. Go in cold, read nothing about it. Then once you've found your face again after it got exploded off, look at some of his essay collections, All is Grist or All Things Considered for example.

>>19229069
>tfw no arthoe feet
Why even live?

very homely ho

>>19229691
Reactionism is the only position left for the sane person.

>>19229627
It's a boring and ugly book that is held back by its obsession with Catholicism. I really don't care, I don't think anyone has ever said anything interesting about blasphemy and when you have such a great backdrop as the American south, which other more talented writers have excelled with, it's such shame to exclusively write about religion and a waste of time and effort to read it.

paperbackdreams is my goto booktuber
she is the forgotten weapons of ya novels

>>19228998
No, the only books I read are the Bible, the church fathers, Hagiographies and St Thomas Aquinas.

>>19229069
As a non foot fetishist, are these quality feet or are we making fun of her?

>>19230707
Chesterton's lasting legacy is Father Brown reruns on cable.