/lit/ - Literature

The entirety of Avodah Zarah is one of the most Jewish things I've ever read. It's not particularly weird, it's just pure concentrated Kikery. For silliness though I'm going to nominate the bit where the dude gets his wife a dildo cast on a mold that was made using his penis, and when she injures herself with it she sues him arguing that because the dildo was based on his penis that he is halakhically responsible for injuring her during sex.

>>19183119
the talmud is just shitposting, i can't believe people dedicate their lives to studying it

>>19183131
Dude, if this is true, jewish women and specially wives really are the worst. What the fuck.

The Rabbinic Jew is a very strange being.
I've heard a rabbi in a debate with an Orthodox priest say that it's not forbidden for them to read the Gospel, but that he got a special permission from his rabbi to read it.

>>19183131
This. Avodah Zarah is just pure evil in incarnate book form.
>היה אוכל עמו על השולחן והניח לגינין על השולחן ולגין על הדולבקי והניחו ויצא מה שעל השולחן אסור שעל הדולבקי מותר ואם אמר לו הוי מוזג ושותה אף שעל הדולבקי אסור חביות פתוחות אסורות סתומות מותרות כדי שיפתח ויגוף ותיגוב:

If a Jew was eating with a gentile at the table, and left jugs [laginin] of wine on the table and a jug on the side table [hadulebaki], and he left it and went out, what is on the table is forbidden, as it is likely that the gentile handled it, whereas what is on the side table is permitted. But if the Jew said to the gentile: Mix water with the wine and drink, even the jug that is on the side table is forbidden. Similarly, open barrels are forbidden, but sealed barrels are permitted unless the Jew was out of the room for sufficient time for the gentile to open the barrel by removing the stopper, and stop it again by making a new stopper, and for the new stopper to dry.

If I buy a general Talmud from a bookstore, will it be a neutered version to hide all the goyim hatred?
How much time will it take to learn Hebrew at a level to read their writings?

>>19183268
>If I buy a general Talmud
uhh, anon....

>>19183247
>>19183226
Tell me, what does YHWH really means? And why were you punished with death if you spoke it?
Does it means what i think it means? Take into consideration im agnostic.

>>19183283
As a Christian, it means the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. There was indeed a death penalty for taking it in vain. It's not just a Talmudic thing.

>>19183283
>And why were you punished with death if you spoke it?
religious autism

>Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

>>19183283
Its a key part of the abrahamic belief system that the true Name cannot be spoken and exists only in written form. It's why Judaism is a cult of the written word.

>>19183273
I can't even begin to imagine the spiritual damage contained in those books.

>>19183268
>How much time will it take to learn Hebrew at a level to read their writings?
Years. Even for a student fluent in Hebrew, it takes about ten years to read the whole Talmud.

>>19183988
I don't need the whole Talmud, only the parts useful for polemics and subverting the Jewish religion.

>>19183268
>>19184016
>learning hebrew to read arimaic text
Nice job retard.

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>>19184016
Thats the New Testament.

>>19183986
It's pretty intriguing actually, written by the most intelligent scholars in hundreds of years.

A similar tradition in christianity is Scholasticism.

I think there's a story where God commands some Rabbis to do something.
They refuse, since the command contradicts the Talmud and the Talmud has more authority than God.

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>>19183179
If it's any consolation, the Rabbis uniformly decree that the man is not responsible for the injury.

>>19185125
I don't know if it's what you're thinking of, but I have seen one involving a Rabbi declaring that if he's wrong let the walls say so and then fall, and then they do. It culminates in Yahweh saying something like "my children have outwitted me!" or something. Anyways it's not the Talmud that has authority, but rather a discussion about the nature of "Law", Yahweh, and Jews. Jews, Judaism, and Yahweh are all connected and you can't really make a firm separation between the three. To loop back to Avodah Zarah, >>19183131 and >>19183247 to demonstrate, one of the points made in it (as to why a Jew can go to a bathhouse that is also a holy site to Aphrodite without it being "idolatry") is that Jews decide what is and is not idolatry by virtue of being the Chosen People.

>>19184030
The Talmud is about 50/50 Hebrew/Aramaic, skewing a little bit more towards Aramaic. You need to know both to read it.

>Oy Vey its Aunnada shoah

>>19185197
>I don't know if it's what you're thinking of, but I have seen one involving a Rabbi declaring that if he's wrong let the walls say so and then fall, and then they do. It culminates in Yahweh saying something like "my children have outwitted me!" or something.
Yes, I was thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oven_of_Akhnai

>>19185214

>>19185169
>>19185222
Meds

>>19185214
Just read it, reminded me of the trial by kafka.

>>19185197
>a Jew can go to a bathhouse that is also a holy site to Aphrodite without it being "idolatry"

What does the evil book explicitly say about Christians?

>ITT anons discover the Talmud is actually hilarious and very lit

>>19185125
>I think there's a story where God commands some Rabbis to do something.
>They refuse, since the command contradicts the Talmud and the Talmud has more authority than God

I've seen equivalent anecdotes in books about Catholic saints. The logic of this position makes sense, if a sacred and inerrant text is at issue.

>>19183119
is it not said somewhere else in it that Yeshua is in hell boiling in a vat of excrement?

>>19185214
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oven_of_Akhnai

That story - or at least the first part of it, up to the point where "God smiled" - can be read as a kind of parable for the Jews' rejection of Christ, and then patting themselves on the back for doing so.

>>19183283
IIRC only the high priest is capable of saying the name of God during certain time of the year in the Temple.
Of course as you well know The Second Temple is gone since the Siege of Jerusalem.

>>19186069
How does the tribe explain that they don't have the temple anymore for 2000 years? Do they not see it as at the very least very interesting that Christ predicted its destruction right before they killed Him?

>>19186099
>How does the tribe explain that they don't have the temple anymore for 2000 years?
They are very close to rebuilding it. Once the Palestinians are finally crushed, the Al-Aqsa mosque will be brought down so that the Jews can build the Third Temple. I think we’ll see it sooner than later.

>>19186099
The answer is simple, they are in denial since then. Even their sacrificial offerings are a bootleg version of the sacrificial holocaust that was allowed in the temple.

How does the Jew interpret the prophecy in Daniel 9 about the Messiah coming into the second temple, being killed and the temple being destroyed afterwards? What kind of pilpull do they use to cope with this?

>>19186123
Do you think it will happen soon? I can't see Al-Aqsa being destroyed without a major world war.

>>19186135
>they are in denial since then
This. Didn't their Talmud even state that the veil in the Holy of Holies was torn around the time of Christ, and that the crimson thread stopped turning white anymore, signifying that their sacrifices did nothing to remit sins anymore.

I can't find the Jewish Rabbinical article talking about this, but maybe some anon knows it.

>>19186141
>without a major world war.
the entire anglosphere is collapsing in on itself as europe is going its own way and china rises as the major world power. we will see the barbarians attempt to destroy the return of antiquity to power as they tried to destroy rome. those protestants. those murderers.

>>19186141
Prophecies arent real you retard. Its all manipulation of events and prediction.

>>19186159
Yeah, I'm sure Daniel was thinking about manipulating the events precisely to make this happen many centuries later.

>>19186141
>Do you think it will happen soon? I can't see Al-Aqsa being destroyed without a major world war.
Honestly, the Israelis could do anything to the Palestinians and Muslim holy sites and it wouldn’t surprise me. They won, simple as that. Sooner or later an extremist Jew will rise to power, and then the mosque will be in trouble.

>>19186165
Do you believe in the supernatural?

>>19186141
>What kind of pilpull do they use to cope with this?
Probably something like
>You see, "Messiah" actually means "Israel"! And "killed" actually means "rising antisemitism"! Please donate to Israel!

>>19186171
I'm a Christian, so of course. And even as an atheist/agnostic, you can't really discard Biblical prophecies if you are being consistent and not prejudiced against Christ.

>>19186186
Ok so youre a cuck. I see.

>>19186153
>as europe is going its own way
Europe’s fate is in Arab and African hands. I think the imminent flood of climate refugees will effectively make Europe MENA 2.0. If there is no refugee flood, Europe will continue to bumble along.

>>19186195
so the rise of antiquity, the death of the barbarian anglo-saxon, germanic, and slavic cultures. good. the old trade routes restored the old powers crowned. death to all that is life to all that was? one day it will be so, i presume.

>>19186214
You do realize a refugee flood from Arab and African nations means Europe will become a Muslim continent, right?

>>19186234
christ has been persecuted once. he cannot be destroyed. the important conditions are the recreation of antiquity and ancient powers, christ can only dominate the scene once more.

I've been eyeing the Talmud (anthology) by Penguin Classics, but I imagine all the controversial and silly bits are not included when the editors are given the choice not to do so. Still, I haven't the time or desire to read an entire bookshelf's worth of inane sophistry and resentment. What other edition do you guys recommend?

>>19186168
Israel is dependent on the western world (and the US in particular), which is going through an inarguable decline right now, with Europe experiencing the largest ethnic re-structuring of itself since the migration period of late antiquity to boot, well on the way to becoming an islamic stronghold. Without their military and financial support, the best they can hope for is mutual destruction through the Samson option.

>>19186321
haven't they rekt everyone around them in previous wars, without any direct support?

>>19185417
can someone answer this? the OP is really confusing me

>>19186321
>well on the way to becoming an islamic stronghold.
It’s insane to me that Israelis aren’t absolutely terrified of this future, which is practically a guarantee at this point. What do they think will happen to them once the UK and France are Muslim nations? That’s not even mentioning militarily weaker but still important nations like Germany which will also be Muslim majority by the 22nd century.

>>19186498
God knows. And we haven't even accounted for the hundreds of millions of negroes who will migrate northward due to the change of the climate.

>>19186620
Ultimately it’s a simple problem with a simple solution. If things get bad either Europe will use lethal force to dissuade refugees or it will be overrun with people who will have no qualms about killing the refugees trying to come in after them.

>>19186635
>If things get bad either Europe will use lethal force to dissuade refugees

The only group against whom lethal force will be sanctioned are the current natives.

>>19186657
Are you telling me israelis will be just cannon fodder if anything goes bad?

>>19186657
Hence the second part of the sentence. Arabs and Turks are not as mentally broken as whites are, they will kill with impunity to preserve their new lands.

>>19186666
Are you thinking of jews living in Europe? No, they will emigrate to Israel (remember that line from Houellebecq's Serotonin, where the narrator tells his jewish girlfriend that there's no Israel for him?), and they will hold out there for as long as possible.

The only people who stand to lose anything for real are the europeans themselves. Their governments are already openly hostile against them, would it truly be that large of a jump for these governments to use arms against them for the sake of "curbing political extremism" or "fighting fascism"?

>>19186721
There’s a reason I think Europe’s only hope is if the Turks/Arabs take over in time to prevent the bulk of climate refugees from moving into Europe. Native Europeans will cope, but they are finished as a race and everyone sort of knows it already.

>>19186721
Im talking about the country Israel. It depents on western support and with Europe becoming muslim, its over for them. They will be literally surrounded by enemies.
Lebanon with the Hezbollah. Syria with Hamas, Iran and Egypt. Now put entire Europe and Russia against them, it will be over.
They need to dominate Latin America so they have a place to come if something goes bad.

>>19186825
>They need to dominate Latin America so they have a place to come if something goes bad.
They will all move to the USA, don’t kid yourself.

>>19183273
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>>19183119
read a few pages and it seems like there's 8 million ultra specific rulings, with 80 million differences of opinion for each
How is the common kike supposed to practically apply literally any of this?

>>19185443
Brilliant exegesis.