/lit/ - Literature

>>19153651
People tend to get into philo when they are in their 20s. It's a natural thing. Was no different from gen x, boomers, silent gen etc.

>>19153651
confirmation bias

holy shit this faggot really made a vid about neetchan
a whole generation of children are going to be infected with god is dead meme and muh will to power
god damn this retard, i hate him so much

>>19153670
Looks like Hitler's 4D chess is finally starting to see traction.

>>19153687
Explain

>>19153651
I can’t wait for this video to spawn a bunch of insufferable egotistical zoomers going around telling people living lives of unbearable suffering that they’re pathetic slave morality losers because they wouldn’t say “yes” to life: naive to their good fortune which allows them to even consider saying “yes” to life in the first place.

The Philosophy degree and my tippy top german university has had a steady increase in student number.
It has doubled in the last 12 years.
So I would say you are right.

It was the other way for me. I went to a tough school and we had to read poetry, philosophy, and classics from an early age. Now I mostly read light novels and similar trash and I'm nearly 30. Which is sad because school turned me away from the classics, I probably missed out on a lot of deeper themes because you can't understand all of it when you're young.
I mostly don't have motivation to get back into it.

>>19153651
Not really, just with everyone else, they watch some simplified medium that talks about these topics, skim Wikipedia pages, and make memes about it.

>>19153651
>Its Real
Fuck.

>>19153651
Stop posting this fuccboi

i guess now that nietzsche is mainstream i need to reject him

>>19153670
Nah it's worse. He was shilling Mishima, Aurelius etc. that would be a generation of antisocial redpill type soulless tech/biz monkeys

>>19153651
t. zoomer, no.

>>19153651
Well yeah, they aren't 17 forever. Always funny to watch a whole generation begin to realize that it does, in fact, age.

>>19153734
>fuccboi
That's oldfag

ok i watched it and what the fuck has he actually said about nietzsche?? this video was 8 mins and he just mentioned one quote, and how misunderstood the poor little man is.

unironically not a bad move considering that today's zeitgeist consists of insufferable stemfag science worshipping consoomerfags.

>>19153759
he talked about how he's not a nihilist and he believed in the affirmation of life and explained the eternal recurrence. for seven minutes that's fine

>>19153765
Nietzsche is not nuanced enough, and zoomers definitely aren’t nuanced enough to even understand Nietzsche, so I might have preferred the helots remain mindless consumers to what will likely come of zoomers getting into Nietzsche.

>>19153737
Nietzsche has been mainstream for over a 100 years

>>19153670
>>19153687
Based Pewdiepie

He should do a video on Heidegger’s Rektoratsrede next

>>19153651
It's amusing how he doesn't actually make any attempt to comparisons of previous books he's read, and the conflicts/contradictions that they have, but just talks about stale, simplified views of said book(S). It feels like he's just fed up with his fans communicating to him, and is basically saying "Look, I don't care, stop being a bitch, and stop annoying me with your trivial problems. Read these books and get gud. Also, buy my merch!". Which they should get over, but, I'd rather not have this consumerist attitude that's diluting conversations and having to come across some illiterate fag who spews a high school level understanding.

>>19153651
a handful of pewdiepie viewers starting to read Nietzsche and dropping the book =/= zoomers getting into philosophy

>>19153789
>Nietzsche is not nuanced enough
his is the very definition of nuanced, he is deeper than an ocean

i bet zoomers are totally supes gonna get into nietzsche. Get real. They're gonna attempt to read one of his books, give up and go on living as they have. Maybe less than 10 people will actually be affected with this.

>>19153765
This

At least now they’ll associate the humanities and literature with someone they admire instead of just scoffing at it

>>19153825
“seeing no one higher he mistook himself for god”
That’s you, and you’re a dumbass.

>>19153841
if you unironically still think he was an atheist your are braindead and haven't read him

Pewdiepie is a BLM cuck who sold his soul to Jewgle. Of course he's gong to shill a pseudo-rebellious philosemite who hated his own race.

>>19153848
you obviously don’t know what I’m referencing, furthering my point...

>>19153651
One thing I don't get is: pewdiepie fans from years ago would be adults by now, yet most of his fanbase is zoomers. Has his fanbase been completely wiped clean and replaced?

>>19153866
Apparently not anon, see:

>>19153866
hey pewd, don't you have enough cash?
how much is enough for you?
can't you just stop shilling shit and making vids?

>>19153651
>i will do whatever it takes not to open a book but sound like I have, even if it means discussing whether or not it is trending among teenagers on social media to say they've been reading philosophy

>>19153848
If you don't think Nietzsche was an atheist, then you lack even a passing familiarity with his work

>>19153670
>noooooo now I can't say I like nietzsche without being associated with those people noooooo

>>19153813
Lmao

>>19153740
Still better than a generation of self hating troons

>>19153866
just because people get older does not mean they stop consuming children's media.

>>19153651
oh no. does that mean we are forbidden from talking about nietzsche for the next months?

>>19154066
I think so, I mentioned ressentiment in another thread and got accused of watching "contra points"

>>19154078
pretty sure that's just a way of calling you a tranny, because that's a tranny

>>19154066
Everyone discussing Nietzsche has been called a faggot probably since Nietzsche himself was alive

No, and "man with self-perpetuating audience that can use his disposable income to do whatever he wants reads book" is not evidence of any such thing.

>>19153670
Why are you such a faggot? He didn't even say anything outrageous. Just be happy that one of the biggest role models of the 21st century is not a complete degenerate and is teaching kids about philosophy.

>>19153720
Why are you here

>>19153665
jokes on you i got into philosophy when i was 19

>>19153651

>>19153651
Based Felix.

>>19154058
>it's one or the other

Good video.

I have been on /lit/ for over ten years. I have seen every form and shade of dilettantism, not least in myself since I came here as a dilettante and God knows I remained a dilettante for many years. I can say with all honesty that this kind of zoomer dilettantism is new, different, and far shallower than what came before it. Zoomers seem incapable of taking an authentic interest in anything. Everything they engage with is getting rerouted or channeled somehow, so it never terminates in objective interest for interest's sake.

If I had to guess, the rerouting is via "identity," since everything they do seems to have an underlying tone of "what does this make me if I do it? what sort of zoomer subtype will I be by doing this?"

Either way my answer is, no, they aren't getting into philosophy. What's happening is that philosophy is doing the rounds in the zoomersphere (social media primarily, and real life as reenactment of social media secondarily) as a fad or fashion statement. None of these zoomers produce any real thoughts, instead they "follow" "influencers" and regurgitate the mottos and credos of their chosen "brand" without any understanding. They seem to have the actual philosophical understanding of a boomer housewife posting fake Buddhist quotes on Facebook.

>>19154881
>current generation is filled with troons, first generation that forced them into the mainstream and public eye
>"NOOO THE NEXT GENERATION IS GOING TO BE REDPILLED AND INCELS!!!!"

>Gets called out
>"Ummmm its not one or the other, yikes

Kys tranny, you will never be a woman
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>19154928
No homo, but I’d fuck Mads

>>19153825
No, that would be Hegel.

>>19154915
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>19153978
He was not an atheist in an Anglo sense. He was a metaphysical anti-theist ala Deleuze or Bataille. He certainly believed in an Absolute and he often dips into Gnostic and even Hermetic strands of thought at times. No surprise there considering his infatuation with masonry and his attempts at alchemy.

At least he hasn't shilled Hegel. Hegel and Nietzsche are some of the worst philosophers of the past two centuries. Not in the sense that they were unskilled or did not make some grand contribution to philosophical thought, but rather that their writings resulted in a worse world than there was before them. A bunch of zoomer 'Hegelians' is my nightmare.

Shitzsche
Shitegel

>>19153706
LMU or Heidelberg?

>>19155041
ayo im dead af

Pewds is doing his best to subtly red-pill the youger generation. Thanks, Pew.

>>19153665
For me it was 17 but I do think you're right for a lot of readers.

>>19153698
His spirit is rising from the grave.

>>19153665
>>19156251
Pewds said his greatest regret in life was not reading the classics and lifting younger.

>>19156261
Do you have a link?

>>19156261
I don't think kids should be reading philosophy. They should be gaining life experiences instead. You should get physical exercise by playing sports, which entails learning to be sociable too. Philosophy, like politics, comes afterwards, when you have experiences to reflect on.

>>19156293
I think he just meant fiction more than philosophy necessarily. You don't think Crime and Punishment or the Count of Monte Cristo have a great influence on the minds of the young?

Both music and physical exercise were after all necessary for the youth to the ancients.

Heidegger says you should study Aristotle for 10 years before reading Nietzsche.

>>19156309
he only said that because youtube didnt exist

>>19153665
Children a couple centuries ago started reading Play-doh when they were 6-8.

>>19156359
Aristocrats did all sorts of shit. Children a couple centuries ago couldn't read.

>>19153670
Sounds based to me. Maybe save more great men.

>>19156359
And look what it did to them, it produced genius-retards like JS Mill.

>>19153651
Vapid retards doing vapid retarded shit

>>19153651
based pewds

>>1915365
You can find evidence of any trend on the internet but they rarely apply strongly to the real world.
In my experience, no one I knew before uni read beyond the ya/fantasy bracket unless forced to in school.
I've been a stem fag all my life and I'm still better read than a lot of the lit/Phil students in my unis book club.

>Anyone else think that Zoomers are getting more into philosophy that's sold at every bookstore?
uh ok?

Zoomers will save us from the Millenial menace.

>Just embrace life, bro
Nietzsche is perfect for a shallow faggot like Felix who want nothing more than affirmation

>>19158660
Zoomers are the gayest, brownest generation yet. They aren't saving anything

>>19153651
The last half dozen conversations I have had with zoomers in their early 20s all left me surprisingly optimistic. Without exception, their preferences in film, music, and literature were morr substantive and geared towards pre-millennium stuff that they "just think is better". They can smell the inauthenticity of social justice era media, where ideology trumps aesthetics. They're like jaded Soviet youths. The indoctrination will have to be stronger for Alpha, there is still a strain of hope in Zoomers.

>>19153701
>implying that has not been the case with Neetchan readers since always

>>19158680
To be fair, in the first couple weeks of George of the Jungle's death there was a lot of confusion on what exactly happened. It only became clear that he was a criminal who deserved to die after the fact.

>>19154066
I hope so. Thank you based Pewds. Tired of Neechniggers

>>19154785
Doing my latest god's work anon. Saved.

>>19158764
Genuinely how so? I didn't follow any of the news at the time and only started hearing this a little while and most people still think he was wrongfully murdered.

>>19153651
Perhaps there is a segment of zoomers can lift their eyes above the gutter and gaze at the stars. Who not only don't want to get sucked into tiktok but are aware of its negative effects. I think the emptiness of the digital total environment that they are immersed in has created a tendency among smart zoomers to reflect and question. But this requires an act of resistance because the very technological forces in question inhibit and harm the faculties of critical reasoning.

>>19154686
Nietzsche was a degenerate tho. Master-Slave morality is a moral system for autistic anti-social spergs.

>>19159071
Full bodycam footage(and the footage of george being drugged up out of his mind in the convenience store) wasn't released until a few weeks after the fact. All we had was the video taken by bystanders of the cop leaning on him and him yelling "I can't breathe".

It doesn't help that the first autopsy that became public was the one that the family had done that said he had no drugs in his system.

>dimwit
Nietzsche was a nihilist
>midwit
Nietzsche wasn't nihilist <--- YOU ARE HERE
>topwit
Nietzsche was a nihilist.

any Bonevac bros itt?

>>19156303
>You don't think Crime and Punishment or the Count of Monte Cristo have a great influence on the minds of the young?
Nope, because once again, you must have life experiences to grasp those works.

>>19153665
This was the case before 2016 at least.

>>19156303
>You don't think Crime and Punishment or the Count of Monte Cristo have a great influence on the minds of the young?
Nope, because once again, you must have life experiences to grasp the meaning behind those works.

>zoomers read nietzsche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQxfXw_2HA

>>19160279
i boned your moms vac last night

>Optimistic Nihilism

>>19160404
I love The Sopranos but these parts triggered me. I think there's another where some kids are talking about Kierkegaard or something. It just feels so fake. Not because teenagers don't know philosophers or talk about them in real life, but specifically the way they are written and presented in the show feels very fake and overly direct. Like the writers are just doing it to tell the audience "look, it's philosophical, and this is what the reference is"! The scene where AJ and Meadow are talking about the Robert Frost poem felt more natural.

>>19153720
>Which is sad because school turned me away from the classics
Are you not an adult? Does someone have a gun to your head, preventing you from reading that which you're interested in?

Own your lack of interest. Your "tough" school has not had a SHRED of dominion over you for somewhere between 8 and 16 years. You don't want to read these books, and they could not "turn you away" from them any more than a stray cat from a decade ago could be "triggering your allergies" - it's asinine and wrong.

There's nothing more pitiful then living an unfulfilled life you blame on others, because you're too afraid or stupid to acknowledge being in the driver's seat all along.

>>19160279
>bored college kids living on daddy's money are the ones flocking to communism
yep, it checks out

>>19153651
This is genuinely because of Rick & Morty.

>>19153866
Anon I don't know how to tell you this but Zoomers are the Pewdiepie fans who became adults.

>>19160401
You can have enough life experience to understand them by 15. But the point being, these books give life experience. They enlighten young minds. They can come back to them when they're older and see how much they missed out.

>>19156261
lmfaoo, I was an edgy teenager who thought he was above everything else. I did exactly that, when I was like 16, I started reading about epistemology, metaphysics, political philosophy, etc., and I can tell you that it was mostly just a waste of time as back then I didn't have enough life experience and general knowledge to properly digest what i was reading. I recently reread some of that stuff and it's crazy how much just flew over my head back then. I think pewds started reading at just the right time, he didn't miss out on anything

>>19162365
this. I remember reading a wikipedia article on Kabbalah like at 18-19 and thought it was the dumbest shit I ever read. 5 years later...

>>19162380
KEK same bruh.
Some life experience made Kabbalah have an incredible amount of depth and truth.

>>19162393
And that's just Kabbalah.

What is criminal, though, is the capacity to appreciate these streams of thought really only comes in your 20s (if it ever does) given the circumstances of modern life. Schelling, Holderlin, and Hegel blew past the 30 year old me at 18. It's sad.

>>19153651
>Anyone else think that Zoomers are getting more into philosophy and literature in general? For a while all they read was YA fiction but it seems to be diversifying
No, "funny swedish man make nietzsche video" doesn't mean anything and is the most worthless anecdote I've heard to prove a point.
Zoomers have their brain rotting from being tiktokked all the time.

>>19154915
>If I had to guess, the rerouting is via "identity," since everything they do seems to have an underlying tone of "what does this make me if I do it? what sort of zoomer subtype will I be by doing this?"

Since when have the majority of people not acted like this? As far as i know, everyone is always trying to fill in his or her identity within the group they are part of.

>>19162380
>>19162393
>>19162417

>>19153759
I unironically think that the best thing one can say about nishe to people who never read him is that he is wildly misumderstood and more obscure than he seems.
you should read him for yourself with the consciousness that you also might misunderstand him if you want to really get nizche in the long run.
the video was very meh, but not bad.

>>19160455
they weren't nihilists tho?

>>19159071
>Genuinely how so? I didn't follow any of the news at the time and only started hearing this a little while and most people still think he was wrongfully murdered.
It's just pol cope for the fact that Chauvin got convicted

>>19160279
>Engels really said that
This is how you know Marxists are full of shit. They're doing sophistry to deny the fact men have agency by saying man is purely a product of their economic cirumstances. They don't seem to think that genetics would play a part in this; which is why they are quick to deny the biological aspect of man, his natural instinict to be egotistic, to defend a theory that unironically contradicts itself when it clashes with Marxist reality. If you make the argument that morality is a produt of economic relations; then you can not make the voluntarist arguments for revolution that Marxists make. Your own argument would imply that humans do not have the agency to change their economic cirumstances because economic conditions would decide what is possible. To call for revolution would mean you deny that economic conditions determine what drives system change, and not human organization.
You can not combine this form of economic determinism with historical materialism, and have the theory be cohorent with vanguardism or any form of concious economic change, and have it be consistent. Otherwise, you would be admitting Marx's theories are untestable gooblygook since he would be admitting the contradictions of capitalism would naturally lead to communism by its own reality. Which would make sense since sociology largely is not even a science because it has no control variables making replication of data without confounding variables.

>>19155031
Hegel, yes, Nietzche - no. Nietzche was the anti-Hegel. Nietzche fortold that the death of god would lead to the diasters of the 20th century - various forms of totalitarian belief would compete for the dominance of the individual.Thankfully, we got the better end of the stick.

>>19165594
>Thankfully, we got the better end of the stick.

wat. that literally happened. millions of people died. i haven't read nietzche, plz explain.

>>19165698
Nietzsche predicts what he calls "wars to determine the future of mankind," which will take place in the shadow of God. And his reasoning is that the death of God reopens the question of what we want humankind to be.
Before, in the West at least, we had a Christian answer to this, a Christian conception of the good man. But if we don't believe in that anymore, or if we can't justify belief in that anymore, we have to take up this question yet again. And Nietzsche believed the next centuries would consist of wars over what the answer to that question ought to be.
>"Mankind can begin to have fresh hopes, only now that I have lived. Thus, I am necessarily a man of Fate. For when Truth enters the lists against the falsehood of ages, shocks are bound to ensue, and a spell of earthquakes, followed by the transposition of hills and valleys, such as the world has never yet imagined even in its dreams. The concept "politics" then becomes elevated entirely to the sphere of spiritual warfare. All the mighty realms of the ancient order of society are blown into space—for they are all based on falsehood: there will be wars, the like of which have never been seen on earth before. Only from my time and after me will politics on a large scale exist on earth."
Communism, Fascism fought battles to replace what would be man's destiny after the death of god. Neither one of the won. Instead, they were both swept away by a secular, technocratic vision of human progress. This did not give birth to Nietzche's project, but what he warned against, the Last Man - man's only goal will now forever be his own happiness.

>>19165570
>his natural instinict to be egotistic
Prove it, I contest your claim because all evidence shows that throughout history humans have not been greedy.

>>19165777
that prediction was truth of the 20th century but in the 21st century wars are going to be based on the clash of different civilizations and regional rivalry, ideology wars was more of an anomaly than the norm in human history

>>19153670
The video is pretty good for getting a baseline understanding of what Nietzsche is though. I'm glad someone as popular as him is dispelling some misconceptions about him.

>>19153901
It's clear that he has read one of his books in the video.

Okay if nietzsche is fag tier, what should I be reading to develop a coherent world view, I don't want to be subjected to brain rot anymore and want to feel genuine

>>19160255
Can you explain how he's a nihilist?

>>19154686
What kind of doggo?

>>19166809
First thing you should do is let your ideas be divorced from others. Be a true creative and bring values from yourself. So don't let someone put you off when you could make your own idea.

>>19166852
*Put you off from reading Nietzsche when you could make your own idea about him.

>>19166209
>Prove it, I contest your claim because all evidence shows that throughout history humans have not been greedy.
Altruism is a form of pscyhological egoism for the weak. You turn weakness into a virtue, and then argue backwards by saying sasitifying your demands doesn't have a egoistic benefit instead you certainly benefit it economically, emotionally from the altrustic action. "Greed" is the complaint you have against the fact your egoistic intentions are denied by the stronger pary.

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>>19166855
I mean I'm planning on reading beyond good and evil soon, I might read more of his books depending on how much I understand and like bge

>>19153651
zoomer here kinda, some of them are but to be quirky and but overwhelmingly uncertainty makes people question the structures they exist within and what they believe

>>19160486
Aren't those scenes literally making fun of kids who talk like that? It's not the writers flexing the fact that they know philosophers, it's them making fun of kids who think they do. Though I don't remember what the context was exactly since I watched it a long time ago, I remember AJ telling or being told by a friend that Sartre totally ripped off his philosophy from Nietzsche or some shit like that; I thought it was funny.

>>19159771
Even if he was intoxicated to some extent, that doesn't necessitate extreme use of force. Let the innocent throw the first stone--I don't imagine you've never been intoxicated in your life; in any case, cops have killed people for less. Is the institution of policing necessary to secure communities against petty crime and violence? Probably, but that doesn't excuse the actions of all officers.

>>19166890
Cool Nietzsche posturing, maybe you should actually read him and discover that such notions are not eternal, which is my point. There is simply no reason to assume humans are egotistical in human nature because your entire conception of human nature is based on unexplainable. (Spefically capitalism that you have projected backwards into mankind). Human nature is not static and our behavior and thoughts change when we interact with the environment and vice versa which is Engels entire point. Again this is just a well-established fact in anthropology or else large phenomenon in human history is unexplanable.

>>19154078
>lefty whose entire political foundation is based in ressentiment
Her fans must be such great Versucher

>>19165777
>man's only goal will now forever be his own happiness.
Why does Nietzsche have a problem with this? Isn't that kind of a master morality? I understand that the "last man" is totally impotent but I didn't think he was fundamentally characterized by the will to happiness (though I remember the line "'we've discovered happiness', then blinked thereby".)

>>19156359
that surely compensated for all those illiterate people working in the fields of which you and me would have surely been part

>>19153651
I don't think Zoomers are getting more into philosophy without a big influencer being a trend settler. That's literally how zoomfag gets interested in new things.

I'm 19, I don't associate myself with the zoomer generation but I got into Nietzsche because of the video titled "The man who vibe checked God". I find him interesting, not the "god is dead" or slave morality part but how he deal with life's suffering. I'm at a rough spot in my life for a 19 yrs old, with 2 attempted suicides on my belt. Nietzsche is a breath of fresh air for me, I'm still chronically depressed tho, but things got a bit better. I'm sure people get interested in philosophy when they grow older mentally, no matter what age. Life experience makes you question everything around you, and philosophy helps you with your thinking. They are not answers but food for thoughts.

>>19168980
Are you a women? I fail to see how someone can seriously maintain their suicidal intent when they've failed twice; surely there must be some latent desire operating there.

Not that I'm one to chastise you of course, despite wishing for non-existence every waking-hour I've yet to muster the courage for even a cursory slitting of the wrists, much less anything excitingly portentous.