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Are you guys into any mythology? I am European and I've been learning more about my ancient roots and reading about Norse and Celtic mythology...Apparently Hindu mythology has a lot of symbology similar to The Bible which I think I may check out next.

>> No.19147262
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>>19147194
This is a version of the Mahabharata that's very easy to read. I highly recommend it for people just getting into Hindu mythology. Also check out Max Muller's translations of the Upanishads.

>> No.19147290

>>19147194
Also the druidic religion was mostly passed on by a very rigorous oral tradition, probably similar to how the vedas are memorized today. I personally think it would be hard to conceptualize what Germanic/Celtic religion would be like since we live in such a completely different world.

>> No.19147871

>>19147194
What have you been reading about Norse mythology? I've only read HR Ellis Davidson's book and Beowulf and want to learn more

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>>19147871
I found this chart to be very useful. My next read will be Summoning the Gods

>> No.19148016

I find it peculiar when Westerners have no interest in Christian mythology, but deep interest in pre-Christian mythology. To me, that speaks to a deep hook in their psychology which was probably cast there by media and other manufactured nonsense. Not saying that’s you but I’m just saying it here because why not. Paradise Lost will always be every bit as good of a book as the Eddas.

>> No.19148062

>>19147194
>Hindu mythology has a lot of symbology similar to The Bible which I think I may check out next.
Some of that is the Celts fault. A lot of Celtic gods/saints are basically shaktic vedic gods

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>> No.19148091

>>19148062
>A lot of Celtic gods/saints are basically shaktic vedic gods
It makes no more sense to say the vedic gods are the celtic gods than vice versa. The same gods in the same stories were carried by the same people into different parts of the world.

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>> No.19148113

>>19148016
I think it's more the fact that it's clear how judaic and non-European Christianity actually is. It has its literary merit sure, it achieved some great things, but those can all be argued to exist despite Christianity and not because of it. Or because of the European elements in Christianity that balanced the jewish elements.
To the European soul, the original traditions are more interesting than the outsider religion, especially in its modern state. That said I think those interested in the former should still read the important texts of the latter.

>> No.19148143

>>19148091
Well they're not the same gods but they do follow similar forms. Sometimes you'll find generational differences or gender inversions, but the shaktic pairing is common til the modern age in the west at minimum.

>> No.19148171

>>19148143
Ok they exist in a lineage but that lineage converges on a PIE precursor.

>> No.19148215

>>19148113
There's also the theological angle to it. The only people who want cool meaningful stories that aren't just the Torah are the people who don't want just the Torah, whereas learning about Christian Mythology (actual Christian Mythology, St. George, the Green Man vs Jack Frost, the worship of Mary's Mother, etc) is pretty much forbidden for both Catholics and Protestants as it falls under idolatry.

>> No.19148262

>>19148016
Christianity belongs in the ME.

>> No.19148302

>>19148113
Sorry but I doubt you or any of the people I mentioned actually know anything much, if anything at all, about Christianity. This talk of being “natural to the soul” is ridiculous nonsense.

>>19148262
Put Germanic paganism back in the Russian steppe while you’re at it. This is retarded.

>> No.19148323

>>19148302
>Put Germanic paganism back in the Russian steppe while you’re at it. This is retarded.
Why would you do that? The Proto-Germanic Urheimat is northern Germany and southern Scandinavia. Meanwhile, the Jewish Messiah, worshiped by the people who claim to be the successors to the Jewish Religion and the Jewish cultural tradition, was born in the Jewish homeland and preached his messianic updates to the Jewish religion. The situation isn't really comparable.

>> No.19148362

>>19148323
You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

>> No.19148372

>>19148362
Hey man, you're the one claiming that Germans are secretly Russian.

>> No.19148425

>>19148302
>>19148323
>>19148362
>>19148372
i find this exchange hilarious because >>19148262 could have been referring to the retaking of jerusalem and the creation of a christian monarchy but the larper flew off the handle with his obsessive need to defend joel osteen before even considering that by definition a universal religion believes itself to belong everywhere.

>> No.19148472

>>19148425
What’s hilarious is that you think you even have a point. The retards insinuating Christianity is explicitly Jewish or explicitly Middle Eastern, neither of which are true as a matter of fact. You’re simply an idiot if you believe that and calling someone a Joel Osteen defending LARPer won’t change the fact that you are a mental midget. That’s not even considering the pagan calling of the kettle black here. Lobotomize yourself ASAP.

>> No.19148479

>>19148372
I don’t get it. Are you denying Indo-Aryan origins of Germanic mythology?

>> No.19148515

>>19148479
Do you mean Indo-European? The Western Steppe populations that the Germanics descend from were well outside of Russia. Additionally, Germanics don't descend from the Proto-Indo-Iranic people. They are related, however. I suppose you could make an argument that Germans DON'T belong in Germany because of this, but rather in Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc, but that'd be a poor one to make. For starters, Germanics literally start in Germany and Scandinavia, just as Christianity started in Palestine, and by this same logic you could argue that Christianity ACKTHYAUYUALLY belongs in Somalia because that's where the Proto-Afro-Asiatic Urheimat is. As >>19148472 demonstrates, there are people dumb enough to make that argument, but again, it's a really bad one.

>> No.19148536

>>19148515
You are a literal idiot. Everything you’ve asserted in this thread is wrong. Indo-Europeans and Indo-Aryans are interchangeable in this context. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Stop with this pathetic LARP.

>> No.19148567

>>19148536
>Indo-Europeans and Indo-Aryans are interchangeable
No, they aren't. They aren't the same group. "Indo-European" refers to a collection of languages, religions, cultures, and speakers of languages (depending on precise usage) deriving from a single language, culture, religion, and people the "Proto-Indo-Europeans", who lived in Eastern Europe and the Pontic Steppe around 5000BC. "Indo-Aryan", however, refers to a specific group within the Indo-European family that migrated south-east through Central Asia and, for simplicity, constitute the peoples living between the western border of Iran and the eastern border of India. The Proto-Indo-Aryans (AKA the "Proto-Indo-Iranics") lived in Central Asia somewhere between 3000BC and 2000BC.

Are you confusing "Indo-Aryan" with the German term, "Indo-Germanische", which is used to refer to "Indo-European"? If so, I'm not quite sure what this has to do anything. It's a simple fact that Germanics originate in northern Germany and southern Scandinavia, and that Christianity originated in Palestine. What specifically do you not get?

>> No.19148580

>>19148472
>insinuating Christianity is explicitly Jewish or explicitly Middle Eastern, neither of which are true as a matter of fact.
They are, although obviously several forms of christianity, especially catholicism and orthodoxy, have incorporated many European elements into it over time and due to syncretism, but at its base Christianity is a messianic sect of semitic origin.

>> No.19148622

>>19147262
>Max Muller's translations of the Upanishads
what about them makes them unique?

>> No.19148745

>>19148515
>The Western Steppe populations that the Germanics descend from were well outside of Russia.
Factually wrong.
>inb4 "source? =["
"Dynamic changes in genomic and social structures in third millennium BCE central Europe", Science Advances, 25th August 2021, DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abi6941

>> No.19149366

>>19147194
Do you think we should revive human sacrifice too?

>> No.19149631

Any recs of mythology of
>Central Asia
>Eastern Africa
>Northern Africa
>Himalayas
>Amerindians