/lit/ - Literature

It tolls for thee, OP.

For Whom the Bell Tolls is Hemingway’s magnum opus.

To have and have not is his worst book by far. Book 3 especially is so badly written lol even Hemingway hated it. Haven't read For whom the bell tolls yet, A farewell to arms is my favorite so far.

Ah, the old “I’m a contrarian therefore I’m smart”. I’m a huge Hemingway fan but To Have Or Have Not is one of the worst things he’s written

>>19139806
He is but Hemingway was pretty much the Paris Hilton of his time.

>>19139806
For Whom the Bell Tolls has the best chapter he has ever written. Kinda dissapointed by Bukowski here desu

>>19139806
For Whom the Bell Tolls is shit, and put me off Hemingway forever. He's a whiny shithead that pisses everyone off except other whiny shitheads.

>>19139806
Maybe the prose is shit, but I cried at the end. Also the part about throwing his fathers suicide weapon in the pond and after their first love making and the defense of the hilltop are fucking tip top set pieces.

>>19140019
t. whiner

>>19140023
Wait till you read A Farewell To Arms

>>19140023
he made love to his father? I missed that part.

>>19140010
Which chapter is that?

>>19140027
Is a farewell to arms a step up from FWTBT?

>>19140040
I think this big 3 novels and The Old Man and the Sea are all great. His short stories are his best though and among the best ever written. AFTA has a very hard hitting ending even if it drags at times

>>19140040
I finished hemingway years ago, I did not have the same emotional reaction to FtA as I did to FWtBT and The Sun also Rises.

>>19140032
I must have clicked the wrong tab without noticing

>>19140033
Either the revolution story about the cliffs or the defense of the hilltop.

The final chapter is fantastic as well.

>>19140033
The one where they remember about killing some fascists in a village, something about anarchists too. Chapter ten probably

>>19140060
All based chapters.

>>19139806
To Have And Have Not is much more the sort of book which Bukowski would write, so of course he likes it. Many (most) writers are poor (or at least idiosyncratic) judges of other writers, because they're so wrapped up in their own viewpoints.

That said, I think THAHN is underrated (although FWTBT is his best novel, I suppose).

>>19139806
Lol the alcoholic thinks it is a person

>>19140027
For Whom the Bell Tolls was a more exciting read.

>>19141754
I agree. The Reds taking the town is one of my favorite scenes in any book and show why it isn’t a political book in the sense that he is backing either side. I’m just saying the ending of AFTA is emotional. Total gut punch

>>19141774
Yea I always found it funny when people keep Robert Jordan as their hero/symbol of the Left, when in reality he’s completely disillusioned with politics and and constantly has doubts with the cause he’s fighting for throughout the novel. Lieutenant Berrendo even mirrors Robert Jordan. He has similar interior monologues of doubt for his cause.

>>19139857
I read it and found it to be the most boring, virgin, insufferable, shallow, innecessarily long, and fucking boring paper-sublimated midlife crisis I ever read.

>>19139806
t. teen who never lived a tough life

>>19140027
>After a while I went out and left the hospital and walked back to the hotel in the rain.
name a more devastating ending line

>>19141915
What’s your favorite Hemingway? Or do you just dislike all his stuff?

>>19142010
>”You get out”
For me, it’s when Henry says this.

>>19139806
He lived a tough life man.

>>19142098
I have only read that one and kind of killed the mood for me, but if you can suggest me something better from him I can try it8Dswn

>>19142445
Sorry, that's a captcha lol

It is a bad novel in all honesty. It's so heavy-handed and obvious with his exposition and sentimentality.

>>19142098
>In Our Time
Haven't read

>Torrents of Spring
Read some of, it's okay from what I remember.

>Sun Also Rises
Some parts are good, it's mostly dialogue and autobiographical fiction though. Barely literary.

>Men Without Women
Haven't Read

>Farewell to Arms
Probably worse than Sun Also Rises, since it's mostly dialogue along with his heavy-handed 'masculinity.'

>Death in the Afternoon
Haven't Read

>Winner Takes Nothing
Haven't read

>Green Hills of Africa
Haven't Read

>latest writings (1936 short stories)
Only read Macomber, it was okay.

>Fifth Column
Haven't read

>Have and Have Not
Read some of, no opinion.

>For Whom
Nauseating, highly sentimental; absolutely terrible. Pilar's speeches and nostalghia was so obvious it could not be taken seriously.

>Across the River and Into the Trees
Absolutely horrific, written by a retard, an extremely Hemingway novel, meaning his style is highly amplified and you can only evaluate the writing itself, not the 'coolness' aspect of him or appeals to stuff outside his writing, and thus it's his most representative work.

>Old Man and the Sea
dislike it, but have a soft spot since my dad loves it. Adventure novel for people who hate adventure novels, basically.

>Moveable Feast
Just gossiping nonsense, really bad.

>Islands in the Stream
Haven't read

>Garden of Eden
Should have been better, unique premise ruined by Hemingway's style (assuming he even wrote it)

>True at First Light/Under Kilmanjaro
Seems too contorted to even bother reading

>Complete Poems
God-awful

>>19142547
Filtered

>>19142568
Meh, he was a good intro to literature for me and I thank him for that. I enjoyed all of his works, except For Whom the Bell Tolls and A Moveable Feast. I have nothing against Hemingway, except he never really matured and his writings are very hollow and trivial. I really would like to have enjoyed his books more, especially his later ones, but he was a celebrity at that point and wasn't writing meaningful literature; just what would be perceived as meaningful. I'd honestly rather read Kerouac, and possibly Bukowski then Hemingway. I always put the three together in my head, none are anything more than fun.

Was Robert Jordan based or cringe?

>>19142728
He’s based and my /lit/ hero. Him and Levin.

>>19141925
Being a detached drunk with zero responsibilities, not even to personal hygiene, isn't my idea of a tough life. In any society less coddling than ours he'd be dead, not living off that fat of slumming liberals and bipolar freshmen.

>>19142728
Cringe

>>19143382
Who are some based characters?

>>19143537
Socrates (inb4 but he was a faggot), Arturo Belano, Satan

based

>>19139806
no, but i suppose you could give bukowski a few points for grinding away at the post office and alcoholism when a few decades prior hemingway was fucking beautiful women all over bargain-priced europe and grinding away at alcoholism. the true middle ground is henry miller, who lived a trash live fucking beautiful women in europe and wrote better books than both

>>19143949
>henry miller
Bukowski was right about him, when he was good he was great but when he was bad he was almost unreadable.

>>19141869
These are the best people on the Left, and I'm speaking as a card-carrying member of a (non-US) Marxist party. This is why I like RJ so much as a character.

I guess it's a bit like Christianity. The people who struggle with the 'faith' are the ones with their eyes open to the evidence of the world, and who choose to go on anyway. The people who get into it for sex, or for narcissistic grandiosity, or for clout, they never have any illusions to begin with, so they never have any doubts, and consequently they'll do any opportunist shit to stay in the saddle.

>>19142951
You should read Chernysevsky's "What is to be Done?" (Lenin was inspired and nicked the title later). You'd like it.

>>19140019
>>19141915
Just get to know people who read and see which ones think Hemingway is a noteworthy writer:
>Women whose only other readings are García Marquez, Maupassant and JK Rowling
>Vapid sensationalists who rate books based on their emotional reaction to the text
>Modern tankies who think Hemingway would necessarily align with their political views

>>19145337
He could really lay down a line.

>>19144960
>Lenin
You sure i’d like it if i admired konstantin levin.

>>19144954
Can you elaborate more on why you like RJ as a character?

>>19144458
This. I read Tropic Of Cancer this year and loved it but some parts put me to sleep and were violently self indulgent

tfw no guerilla spanish gf.