/lit/ - Literature

The Holy Bible.

>>19088454
based

>>19088444
>White Nationalism
Both concepts are fantasies.

>>19088444
Just be yourself

>>19088444
Start with the geeks

>>19088444
how´d you even become right wing in the first place?

you got groomed by yt algo, or was it ya family background?
>>19088444
>No Marxist or leftist trash please
if you got told that knowledge or introspection makes you a fag why would you even bother? honestly curious

>>19088444
I have never been a white nationalist, although people would probably consider me conservative. I enjoy reading sci-fi, history, and science.

>>19088454
That is probably the answer. My gradual shift away from materialistic views of the world, a greater suspicion towards most of modern science, and measuring success in terms of technology and IQ are the main reasons I have just sort of stopped caring, as is the fact that it is full of losers and fuck-ups.

Pirate a bunch of books from oxford's short introductions series or some shit

>>19088454
This.

>>19088466
Whiteness is metaphysically real actually(capitalism is not).

>>19088480
I’ve always been somewhat right wing. Having too much time on my hands to use the Internet brought me to /pol/ and stuff though. And I’m still right wing now too. I just see WN politics as a dead end, and increasingly most politics today too. I think we’re far more deeply troubled as a species than mere political fixes and interchangings of ideologies at this point. I’m not blackpilled by any means though.

I’ve read Marxist stuff in the past. I just don’t agree with the general worldview or materialist presuppositions of it.

>>19088444
Marx, Foucault, Luxemburg, Pashukanis, I.I. Rubin, Michael Heinrich

>>19088444
Fascism and Big Business by Dan Guerin

>>19088500
>I just don’t agree with the general worldview or materialist presuppositions of it.
read Nietzsche and Hegel

>>19088444
Christopher Lasch

>>19088444
Jacques Ellul.

>>19088560
I have read his books Propaganda and the Technological Society. These are must-reads as far as I’m concerned. That along with Man and Technics did a lot to change my views on things. The influence of technique and how it alienated us, and slowly suffocates any human freedom and spontaneity are one biggest problems we face today, I think. Honestly I think he was much more hard-hitting than Kaczynski is, and it really shows how derivative he is of him.

I have not read his Christian works or the one on politics though yet, I will have to get to those soon.

>>19088500
than just take time off, and cut all the abstract part out of ya life.

you got to recognize if you learn out of curiosity or if it´s an emotional treadmill like /pol/.
it´s kinda pointless anyway since we are powerless anyways so why bother at all.

If you just want to understand society, people yourself and have interesting conversation you might wanna read theory posted here.

also >>19088500
>I just don’t agree with the general worldview or materialist presuppositions of it.
what is your problem with materialism?
i understand it got problems but its pretty relevant. it´s just the fact that power enforces the opinion the society holds to safeguard itself.
if you dont disagree that a billionaire can buy off the mediasphere you are basically already a materialist, it´s almost too basic.

>>19088514
>Luxemberg
Lmao gigakike detected

read adorno

>>19088444
>What books does one read when they are finally disillusioned with White Nationalism? No Marxist or leftist trash please
Hello me from 5 years ago.
It's a shame you are ruling out lefty stuff. If you want to read about why fascism is silly, they are most thoroughly dunked on by Trotskyists. No one else comes close.

>>19088584
> power enforces the opinion the society holds to safeguard itself.
Hmm. What opinions do you really get in trouble for having publically

>>19088584
>what is your problem with materialism?
I don’t think consciousness or life in general is reducible to just matter in motion

>>19088444
As in what, you don't believe any of that stuff anymore? I have never heard of an "ex white natinoalist" unless it was some prison gang shit or whatever. But nobody unlearns those basic ideas because they are mostly just obvious truth which we are socially prohibited from. Once you acknowledge them there is no going back. You can develop a more substantial and accurate worldview reading history and older reactionary thinkers but you can't suddenly become colorblind again.

>>19088602
>What opinions do you really get in trouble for having publically
bolshevism? There were a few white nationalists in the Trump White house, and there was one in congress until recently. And you have diet-white nats like Tucker Carlson with hit shows on cable. You can't say the same about Bolshevism. Try telling your boss you support the violent overthrow of capitalism, and see how that goes.

>>19088615
i'm a dualist and a marxist. Marxists are not committed to a materialist metaphysics.

>>19088635
Oh so you would feel more comfortable stating on your public social media that you're a neonazi Hitler fan than that you like Lenin?

>>19088632
Stop being a loser and grow up.

They come here
https://discord.gg/uxrMkbXaWY

>>19088596
I already had a phase a few years ago where I slogged through some of Marx and Engels’ basic stuff, and a small bit of Lenin, some Kropotkin and similar works. I never really found myself agreeing with it that much. If anything it solidified my view that capitalism is destructive and fundamentally anti-human. Didn’t agree with much else.

>>19088632
I’m still anti-semitic by societal standards and think that races exist in the same way that different breeds of dogs do, but what I’ve slowly come to think is that it’s not as relevant as I thought, and that most of what I have lauded about the West in the past are sources of its destruction today, like most modern technology, lots of ideologies that have sprang up in the West post-Enlightenment, etc. Most /pol/fags think that because White countries have more gadgets and a higher GDP that makes Whites objectively better in every sense than non-Whites. White countries today are completely degenerate and alienated from everything authentically human, natural and healthy, and we have now spread this cancer to the rest of the planet. I don’t think it can be totally pinned on Jews either, even though they are a symptom at minimum.

>>19088642
I would be more comfortable saying I'm a Leninist, but I would not recommend saying either. My point is that there are less crude versions of "I am basically nazi" are more or less tolerated. Whereas explicitly revolutionary variants of revolutionary are socially proscribed, in politics, in the media, etc.

>>19088652
>Didn’t agree with much else.
I was a white nat until I was persuaded of marxist econ. I would suggest looking into that more closely, especially the autistic stuff like the LTV and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.
Reading the whole cannon of political philosophy is useful as well. Seeing the origin of ideas really demystifies them.

>>19088643
Says the person responding with a butthurt non-argument.

>>19088652
I don't think technology is the problem. Technology is a double edged sword. It cuts both ways. It entirely depends on who is wielding it. If you had moral people wielding the technology they could be spreading good to the entire world in exactly the same way. If you are interested in investigating the moral roots or history of the problem there are a lot of avenues you could take. It is what I have been doing. History is good. Reactionary historians who write about much of the same thing centuries ago. Religion and psychology. Basically what accounts for the decline of morals. It is a very big question that requires a more complex answer than 'the jews.' That is what bothers me about WNs. They go for the easy answer, the one which avoids all responsibility and introspection.

>>19088444
You read the Greeks.

>>19088454
This and also Bronze Age Mindset.

>>19088444
The Bible is the ultimate red pill. KJV since it's the most beautifully written imo, and you're on /lit/

>>19088444
You never read anything to begin with so you've got a lot of catching up to do, election tourist

>>19088679
Explicitly revolutionary national socialism is not very tolerated either so that's apples to oranges. What politicans do you see saying "I'm basically a nazi"? You know that means talking about Jews right?

>>19088680
Technology itself is not bad, but it is rampant technology unrestrained by any sort of moral framework that is destroying us. The only real value today is efficiency–bigger, better, faster, more orderly, more controlled, etc. I should definitely look more into history and have been doing this with religion for a while now. If you know any good books I’ll check them out

>>19088679
Ah you're just one of those people who leap for dumb extreme shit. I'll bet you have a low net worth otherwise you'd have far more subtle politics, like the boring rich people who run the country so efficiently it gets only enough gas to keep it from freezing over.

>>19088704
>I was a WN
>I saw how nazis are tolerated in society
>But commies aren't
>I read Marx and the unquestionable sanity of Marxist economics spoke to me and now became a commie
Very plausible story, really airtight

>>19088444
Anne Applebaum

>>19088707
You don't like the moral framework, but that doesn't mean there is none. It's like when people think chaos is a real thing opposite order. It's never true. Only competing orders.

>>19088679
You don’t understand. I’m tired of stupid extremist politics and don’t give a shit about Marx and the utopian political projects inspired by his thought which have led to massive suffering all over the world. Muh economics, muh falling profit and muh labor theory of value are completely irrelevant to me. Been there, done that.

Nietzsche and Stirner.

>>19088730
You need at least $10MM for your opinion to matter. Otherwise you are the extension of someone else with at least $10MM. We have a pay to win system. That's why there's no revolution. As the rebels are closing in, you just sell them everything that isn't nailed down, securitize what can't be carted off as an investment vehicle, recruit new janissaries, create new forms of prestige, ennoble the most dangerous ideas to make them geriatic and sick with gout.

>>19088750
Do you just have this post in a word document or something lel

>>19088750
Literally don’t care.

>>19088704
>What politicans do you see saying "I'm basically a nazi"? You know that means talking about Jews right?
In 2021 you don't have explicit anti-semites in office, but you don't have to go far to find people in the same neighborhood. Just a few weeks ago Tucker had Mencius Molbug on his podcast. Moldbug doesn't self identify as a Nazi, but he is someone who has discussed the JQ and is more or less a race realist and a neo-fascist. And this guy got invited onto the podcast of the number one pundit on cable news. People like that are in the pipeline, 1 degree removed away from elite media. Just like how Andrew Anglin, Richard Spencer, and TheRighStuff.biz guys were in contact with Brietbart back in 2015.
Whereas Leninists, Maoists, etc are shut out entirely.

>>19088730
It's only irrelevant if it's wrong. I investigated it to try and poke holes in it, and was persuaded by it.
The fact that some of the state socialist projects of the 20th century went badly, doesn't mean that Marx is wrong about the ultimate fate of capitalism, and autistic things like the origin of commodity prices. The LTV et al has hardly been disproven.

>>19088759
Not yet. But if I get it refined enough I might. Need to drive these stupid election tourists away. They hate books. They hate people. They hate work. They should never be in any position of authority. And they never will be.

Look at the Marxoids desperately trying to proselytize OP. Pathetic.

>>19088767
Moldbug is literally infamous on the right for steering attention away from Jews to any other possible source lol.

>>19088767
Holy shit the most conservative newscaster had on a Jew who knows some anti semites. Nazis really do run the world.

Meanwhile the other 99.99999% of the media that exists, and actually has power, rubs shoulders with outright Marxists, black supremacists, and anti white racism is the order of the day, but this one guy being on TV once is really proof that the nazis are in charge.

>>19088767
You get put on the big screen because you're harmless. The guy wants Zuckerberg to basically become Lord Protector and CEO of the Silicon Marches right? And he will serve his King Peter von PayPal? It's silly shit.

>>19088786
>The guy wants Zuckerberg to basically become Lord Protector and CEO of the Silicon Marches right? And he will serve his King Peter von PayPal?
Sounds based

>All the retards itt recommending Marx and leftists
OP, ignore them. If you want to be deradicalized, I suggest reading stuff related more to culture and art than economics and politics. If you stick to political writing, you'll be a tankie in five months, and five months after that you'll go back to being a WN. De-politicize your reading list for a while.

I am not saying that reading political writing is bad, but if you want to be less politically extreme, stop putting politically radical stuff into your mind. When you have gained some political leveled-headedness you can go back to reading all the Marx and Bakunin your heart desires.

>>19088444
A Short History of Decay
Cioran was freaking with being an ex-Nazi when he wrote it, totally disenchanted with politics and even basic human striving for any sort of meaning

>>19088791
It's based until FacePrime Sovereignty Services plc deactivates your water and sewage pipes because you retweeted a banger from Mr. Land

>>19088444
Funny. I was a hardcore decolonial leftist for years and years. It was only in 2020 that I began to see /pol/'s side of things, and now I'm a hardcore natsoc.

Wish it didn't have to have come to this, but it do be like that.

>>19088795
Does he offer any positive philosophy or is it just despair porn to drive people to suicide?

>>19088797
And you still have an insufficient net worth to change politics away from the consensus so have fun with that.

>>19088797
>I began to see /pol/'s side of things, and now I'm a hardcore natsoc.

Dude you're either joking or a complete retard

>>19088786
iirc he wants monarchist city states

>Meanwhile the other 99.99999% of the media that exists, and actually has power, rubs shoulders with outright Marxists,
schizo cope, thinking that the conservative media-sphere is insignificant and thinking there are legions of Marxists rubbing shoulders with the establishment liberal media. Occasionally you have some edgy liberal sociologist or political scientist call themselves a marxist, but those types all vote democrat, they aren't revolutionists. And they aren't in newsrooms anyway.

>>19088796
I am loyal to my lord, I fear not.

>>19088801
These election tourists have to leave. They'll be troons in a matter of months at this rate. It's the most transgressive position

>>19088802
>>19088783

>>19088767
>The LTV et al has hardly been disproven.

>>19088802
Look m8 I will grant you that Trump was white nationalist adjacent(it was aactually civic nationalism because there was absolutely no intention of liquidating the minorities, just closing the borders, but the reason behind that is still basically WN) but a)that's not the same thing as Nazism(again Jew thing is essential) and b) look at the insane reaction to Trump, even neocons didnt want him and are now lining up with Biden.

>>19088803
You must send your copy of Fanged Noumena to the FacePrime Incineration Facility. Use the provided shipping label and make sure it is aligned perfectly in the far right corner of your parcel. If you are not available to hand it off to the FacePrime Retrieval Drone at your scheduled pickup time, FacePrime Sovereignty Services GmbH may terminate your Internet connection.

Fine, you’re out of the white race. You’re on your own. Bye

>>19088824
I guess he's on team jew and he no choice but to fall in line and read marx

>>19088824
Time to start a minority owned business

>>19088802
You are obviously just a Marxist and never were a WN.
It is pathetic how you guys feel the need to make these larps.

>>19088799
>Does he offer any positive philosophy
he comes close to taoism at times, if you want to be generous. but he's also right about everything so, if you are desperate for meaning and okay with being wrong, I guess you should look elsewhere

> or is it just despair porn to drive people to suicide?
Cioran's one major error was being too much of a softie to advocate for suicide. I think he was just too kind and didn't want be responsible for any deaths

>>19088841
I do believe the pot is calling Mr. Lovecraft's cat black

Now let's say you read a bunch of shit and get to the point where you are objectivelly right in your opinions about everything political. Now what? What is there to be done about it?

>>19088848
Get $10MM. Oh right. Ok so before you get $10MM... uh... try investing in some Chinese real estate.

>>19088841
Idk I believe him. A lot of WNs are just racist leftists and their racism is vague emotions based on wanting an identity and culture rather than having read much about race differences so it's easy to drop it for something more inclusive

>>19088857
>read some "science"
>become a racist
Keep reading until you become an anti-humanist you pussy

>>19088454
This. Abandon White Nationalism, accept divine monarchy.

"hey guys I no longer want to be a wacky white nationalist pariah what should I read"
>adopt marxism!
>become a reactionary traditionalist!!
lmao. people on this board are hilarious. op read:
burke, reflections on the revolution in france
scruton, how to be a conservative and conservatism: an invitation to the great tradition
tocqueville, democracy in america
hayek, the constitution of liberty
you might also like macintyre, after virtue if you're primarily concerned with a decline in morals in society
this is all fairly mainstream conservative stuff, intellectual and respected

>>19088846
No idea what you mean. I never pretended to be anything else. But the idea that a WN thinks the media is some rightwing conspiracy, anti semites are powerful and influential, and lefties are a fringe marginalized oppressed minority is literally nonsensical. There is no conceivable way someone could have those opinions and be a WN. If you claim to be a physicist but think gravity isn't real but magic is I'm going to call bullshit.

>>19088444
Reading a lot of stupid comments here.
Truth is white nationalism is an ideal that is not currently attainable, might as well not pursue such a lofty goal.
But thinking it's a moderately accepting view is you living in a bubble. PR is everything now a days, you can get away with straight communism. Voice anything directed towards white nationalism, you'll be torn apart. Genuine healthy political thought is generally banned.
Take the Christ pill, it's not as soft as fascists want you to think, not as hateful as socialists say.
Realistically you won't find another avenue worth pursuing. There's the neocon's, but those guys are literally jew jew cum drinkers. Libertarianism is just as lofty a goal as white nationalism, another ideal completely unattainable in a world like ours.
And of course anything left wing is malignant.
If there's some true third way I'm all ears. Maybe some form of noncucked civic nationalism, but I have my doubts.
Most right wing primitivist books are pretty based, but that usually just leads to further hating the status quo, it doesn't give any real political direction. Still, you should try and swallow the naturalist pill asap, that's a wonderful way to live.

>>19088841
I love it when people find it incomprehensible that you agree with them, and then be persuaded otherwise.
I cut my teeth on TDS and FTN, I was into the HBD blogosphere, I went to NRx meetups, I was hard into Pioneer press scientific racism garbage. I sent Bitcoin to Identitarian groups in Europe.
I cringe at all this now in retrospect, but I empathize with you all. There but for the grace of God go I.

>>19088862
Racism is just a handful of patterns, it's honestly banal as a subject or political motivator

>>19088883
And somehow you came to the conclusion that the media promotes anti semitism and nazis while suppressing communists?

>>19088883
Can I ask why though? I mean it's not like the progs have very good arguments against eg the HBD stuff, what convinced you otherwise?

>>19088889
Racism/ HBD is so banal and straightforward that it is boring. Which is why WNs are boring. But anyone who denies it simply isn't worth listening to on any level. Trying to fix society while being in denial of race is like trying to fix a car while being in denial of motor oil. It's pointless and leads to absurd workarounds and endless complexity.
Anyone who says race/ HBD isn't real isn't worth a second's thought.

>>19088862
>Keep reading until you become an anti-humanist you pussy
BASED

>>19088909
That sort of shit is cope for people who refuse to notice which actual types of humans are the problem. "I just hate everyone, man." Convenient way to avoid noticing hatefacts.

>>19088444
Brothers Karamazov
>>19088848
>Now what? What is there to be done about it?
I imagine that's a time when it is good to live contentedly (which can be done without the reading but is a lot easier with it imo).
Although anyone thinking they have the "objectively right" political opinions is most likely gatekeeping their own happiness.

>>19088873
I mean it's very easy for bored kids to swing back and forth between two extreme[ly pointless] ideologies since there is nothing practical you can do to achieve either. You stick with one, it's loses its edge since nothing happens, hop to the next one, same shit. Some people never figure out the system works as intended. It keeps these people from being anything more than a metric on intelligence agency dashboards. You want to change things you need to purchase the people who change things.

>>19088444
What is the point of politics if you don't care about your peers? I highly doubt you actually give a shit about your "fellow whites".

>>19088891
stop biting at my ankles and read chomksy or something. I didn't say the media promotes anti-semitism.

>>19088897
I became persuaded of marxist econ and convinced that class politics are the necessary and inevitable way forward for humanity, regardless of the truth of HBD.
i'm agnostic on the race stuff now, in order for it to truly be iron clad there would need to be a bunch of discrete genome wide association studies investigating the same genes across different populations and environments. Geneticists have barely scratched the surface of collecting that sort of data.

>>19088889
Sure. But why stop at race? It gives you a backstop against trashing all of humanity? Need to keep going or you're ngmi
>>19088909
This poster, he's gonna make it.

>>19088937
I don't buy it. You don't go from racist to not racist. Once the scales fall from your eyes there is no putting them back.

>>19088904
Hbd(including the wq and jq) only gets interesting when you start looking at how culture and biology interact. Which is of course an extremely complex and ambiguous area of inquiry.

>>19088918
You're just taking what's closest to you and pretending it doesn't smell like shit, that your methnostate is somehow going to be viable without its empire.

>>19088956
You have to be racist to be an anti-racist. There is no position of non-racism except the anti-human one.

>they don't know about the libertarian to alt-right to hobbesian to hegelian to marxist to post-left pipeline

>>19088949
Well that's entirely reasonable position on HBD. I do think the evidence points in one direction but withholding judgment until better evidence is available is perfectly understandable.
>>19088951
Racism is not about trashing humanity though, it's just a handful of classifications, some distributions of traits. Trashing people praising humanity is really another matter altogether. I am not particularly smart myself and I have never disliked dumb people so IQ really doesnt mean much to me.

>>19088959
Sounds like a way to avoid the topic. Sounds like "it's socioeconomic factors" phrased in a way that's supposed to sound like you aren't bullshitting.
>>19088961
>>19088969
More weird equivocating.
People who cannot be openly honest about human racial differences make up weird philosophies that are all fundamentally worthless.

>>19088990
No it's not a way to avoid it, I'm well aware of the innate average differences. My point was about how individual differences manifest as patterns in populations due to game theoretic dynamics, ie basic sociobiology; but with the added layer of human culture/technology which interacts with and complicates these systems.

>>19088990
>fundamentally worthless
If you want to talk "worth," your "philosophy," should you ever tell anyone about it, will get you expelled from ordinary economic life. Let's see how much worth you have when you can't use financial services or be hired for something other than cash jobs or trade union gigs.

If you're no longer a teenager and jumping around between radical ideologies every 6 months then you need to reassess your life and the role of the internet in it.

>>19089021
My political opinions vary wildly but my voting pattern is "Democrat down the ballot"

>>19089024
Which one are you:
>I make enough money I don't care what my taxes are
>I get enough benefits I don't care what their taxes are

>>19088843
Not interested in your despair porn.

>>19089014
Yes. It is brutally suppressed. Which is why it is such a useful litmus test. Anyone who won't forthrightly address it is tailoring their opinions around safety rather than truth. The truth is obvious and apparent. Anything that fails to address it is worthless.

>>19088444

>>19089040
>Are you black?
>Nope.
>So what's your glans, then?

>>19089031
My taxes are too high, but to be honest all I care about, politically, is climate change and America. Democrats care about climate change, and the New Democrats are pro-America, anti-communism, etc.

>>19089024

>>19088444

>>19089050
wake me up when the democrats manage to do anything substantive about climate change

>>19089035
Well if you can get ahold of enough capital you can decide what opinions are popular. Otherwise stop whining.
>>19089050
They don't care. It's not a problem they're going to solve. You want to do some damage you need to buy the companies. There are activist shareholders now on some of the oil majors voting to cripple and destroy their own business. That's how it's done. Not by giving tax credits to electric car owners.

>>19089094
>Well if you can get ahold of enough capital you can decide what opinions are popular. Otherwise stop whining.
No, you can't, this is communist fantasy. Bezos, Gates, and Zuckerberg are not controlling anyone's opinions. They are groveling at the altar of the powerful. All the rich Republicans are sure doing fuckall to control people's opinions. Money barely matters. As Mao put it, all power comes from the barrel of a gun. At most if you have money you can grovel to the men with guns for some special treatment. But ultimately they're going to do what they want to.

>>19089021
I've just gotten steadily more right wing since like 2009 until now. Around 2017 I realized that my ideal political state would have to execute or enslave me. But that doesnt make it wrong intellectually, that just means I need to be killed or enslaved in a healthy society.

I am basically for the following things:
>slavery in general for those who need it
>universal slavery for women, who should be bought around puberty
>some kind of nanobots which detect the presence of Ashkenazi DNA within the country
>property rights which allow you to shoot an orphan for taking an apple
>blood nobility, hereditary monarch, and a church as the only members with any political rights
>the religion has to be based on a principle of absolute surrender so priests can never cause any problems
>I will issue 1 dollar and it will be the only dollar ever printed. All goods and services will be defined as fractions of this one dollar
>execution for minor crimes and above
>there can only be a set number of laws and you have to erase one to add another
>males will be frequently subjected to gladiator battles, from all classes
>unbelievably large statues and buildings of stone must be built as national projects lasting centuries
>no parades, would-be paraders shot on sight

>>19089094
>You want to do some damage you need to buy the companies
I am well-off, but not so well off that I can buy voting shares in a company.

>>19089078
They need 1 more seat in the Senate and we've got it. The Green New Deal and its like will be what saves us. And what else do you want me to vote for? Republicans? They literally don't believe in climate change! Greens? Maybe. Libertarians are memes. Fringe parties like CPUSA and its ilk are not ideologies I support either.

>>19089105
Pretty based. This is patrician mind. Supporting what is right rather than what personally offers you the most rewards. You could be granted an exemption.

compared to
>>19089113

Which way white man?

white nationalism is too simplistic and their ideal pure white society would be very difficult to achieve without some sort of fascism or racist policy of more or less ethnic cleansing which i would be vehemently opposed to

it is simply far too impractical to implement these white nationalist ideas into practice in the context of western societies in 2021. it would violate the human rights of millions of people and they will fight you to protect their rights.

>>19089113
>They need 1 more seat in the Senate and we've got it.
retard you you baiting me? Every individual legislator is under enormous pressure from the donor class to cuck out on issues like that. I did a 6 month internship at a lobbying firm. Democratic legislators are not your friends. They are irredeemably slimy. They work for their patrons, same as republicans.
They always need just one more seat, one more dollar. It's part of the grift.

>>19089103
Bezos owns the Washington Post and his company employs millions of people. He doesn't even need to bribe governments, they offer him tax breaks. Every time you open the Amazon app you are told to celebrate some politicized cultural non-issue. You've no idea how money works. The "men with guns" need to pay their mortgages and keep their cars fueled up and insured. They're not just walking around snarling at rich people, the rich people pay them to snarl at you.

>>19089105
>all irrelevant larpist opinions
Go learn something useful, make some money, take over your district, and go from there. Otherwise you're just touching yourself.

>>19089105
>no parades, would-be paraders shot on sight
stopped reading there

>>19089156
Yes, he is the mouthpiece for the powerful. It is not his opinions that are being put forth. There is no difference between the Washington Post and any other media outlet, indicated he is the mouthpiece, not that he is the one putting his opinions forward.
Likewise facebook, twitter, etc. They are all outlets for the system. They are not Zuckerberg's personal tool sharing his views.
>You've no idea how money works. The "men with guns" need to pay their mortgages and keep their cars fueled up and insured
Do you know where they get their money, you fucking idiot? They print it. They don't get it from Zuckerberg.

>>19089143
>Every individual legislator is under enormous pressure from the donor class to cuck out on issues like that.
You will laugh but this time is different. We are finally reaching the point where addressing climate change is a matter of survival for civilization, and no matter how short-sighted these donors may be, they know damn well they will suffer greatly if climate change's worst effects happen. We are stuck because Manchin is too loyal to coal industry interests, but if we can get one more Democrat they'll pass the complete infrastructure bill. I've looked at it, there's good stuff in there for climate change, like moving the grid to green energy by the 2030s.

>They are irredeemably slimy. They work for their patrons, same as republicans.
Republicans are retarded, they unironically think climate change is a hoax. The two parties are not the same.

>>19089113
>The Green New Deal and its like will be what saves us.
I can't believe someone believes this. Call the ice caps; what are they going to do, unheat the earth? No amount of obscenely expensive building retrofits and electric car subsidies are going to get rid of having record breaking extreme weather every few years. If you believe your own stuff you'd know it took centuries to get to this point. You're going to need to do a lot more than symbolic weepy coping and partisan pork spending bills.

I bet you global warmists are also fully vaxxed and double masked too

>>19089180
Firstly, we need to get to global zero emissions. China plans to do so by 2060, the EU is more ambitious. The Green New Deal will get America on track with this. After that, we can look into developing Africa so emissions stay a net zero, and then using carbon capture technologies and the like to bring CO2 levels back to what they should be. So, yes, I do think the Green New Deal is a critical step.

>>19088499
>Whiteness is metaphysically real actually(capitalism is not).
you don't even know what the word metaphysical means

>>19089197
The gods reach right down and assign whiteness to certain people but there is no such process for "capitalism"

>>19089167
Who are the men with guns and the powerful if not billionaire neo-industrialists who own multinational corporations and the media? The richer you are the more convergence of opinion there is, because it starts becoming prohibitively expensive to do anything ridiculously out of line. The other elites won't have it. "Politics" as you know it is literally a brain damage circus for plebs. You think the government just owns itself? It's a yacht club, for the people with yachts. They have security guards and a treasurer, but its the job of those employees to protect the yachts. They can all be fired and replaced. Let's have an election... you might have a challenger this cycle

>>19088444
It's time to become a Neoliberal chad.

>>19089176
>You will laugh but this time is different. We are finally reaching the point where addressing climate change is a matter of survival for civilization
the robber barons that run the American oligarchy will ride this planet into the fires of hell before they give up an ounce of wealth or privilege. They will sooner resort to fascism than consent to reorganizing society. That is the most important lesson from the 30s and 40s.

>The two parties are not the same.
it's a good cop bad cop routine which extracts consent from retards like you, so we all can get fucked in the ass

Obviously Evola

>>19089188
Literally just need to build a shit ton of coastal defenses, flood control systems and ban certain kinds of construction developments. Anything else is stupid larping. Centuries of emissions, more are on their way from the non-western countries, greens are too cucked to use nuclear. You can't unfuck this, you can only adjust to reality.

>>19089201
my soul has "billionaire" etched upon it

>>19089206
>before they give up an ounce of wealth or privilege
They will lose plenty of luxuries and privilege through inaction on climate change soon. Even if for selfish interests, they will act.
>They will sooner resort to fascism than consent to reorganizing society. That is the most important lesson from the 30s and 40s.
Fascism is a dead ideology and Trump's time in power dead not change that. It died with Hitler (Franco if you want to be pedantic), there will never be a truly fascist country in the West again.

>>19089209
I agree, we need to build seawalls and flood management systems, on top of our cleanup efforts.

>>19089210
Well that's pretty kimo, lend me a smoke lol

>>19089176
>he thinks the democrats have the votes to repeal the filibuster and pass legislation
bro what are you, 5 years old?
even your average dumb twitter liberal know this won't happen. There are like half a dozen democratic senators that would rather do nothing.

>>19089229
Votes dont matter anymore my apparently rather uninformed or naive or potentially dishonest friend.

>>19089225
>Even if for selfish interests, they will act.
no, they will choose despotism and barbarism. Capital must reproduce itself at all costs.
>Fascism is a dead ideology
??????
Fascism is posture that oligarchs readily adopt when their profits are threatened. When they are unable to control democratic outcomes, they get rid of democracy. A cursory examination of the 20th century will show this.
You're a bigger retard than the nazis in this thread.

>>19089229
The shit-eating kingmaker Senator Whatshisface (D-WV) is the most powerful Republican in the government. More of them should take note of what the best way to keep their jobs is as the electorate becomes structurally incapable of voting Republican

>>19089241
Good god man how can you even exist in 2021 and still think marxism is the fuxking key?

Did you somehow fail to notice the USA allying with the USSR agaisnt the Axis?

>>19089254
Marxists are so far from reality conversing with them is an almost psychedelic experience.

>>19089241
>no, they will choose despotism and barbarism.
I don't think you appreciate how serous global warming is. The elite are in no mood to go back to a medieval standard of living, which is what will happen if nothing is done about global warming.

>Fascism is posture that oligarchs readily adopt when their profits are threatened. When they are unable to control democratic outcomes, they get rid of democracy. A cursory examination of the 20th century will show this.
It is not the 20th century. Things have changed. From the elite to the plebs, 99% of people do not find fascism palatable. Jeff Bezos's Washington Post spends all day fretting about fascism in China, in America, in Europe, etc. Do you seriously think he and his peers are fascists? The elite might not be Marxists, but they are certainly all center-left.

>>19089254
>>19089261
Generally Marxists are more polite than /pol/tards and the like, but most of the time they are just as delusional.

>>19089240
yeah we live in a psudeo democracy where votes don't matter, you fucking mongolioid. Outcomes are manufactured during donor primaries, and backroom deals with special interest groups.

Let's recapitulate. I pointed out that the senate isn't at all one vote away from significant climate legislation, because they don't have nearly have the votes to reform or repeal the filibuster. So where is my concession? Or are you terminally dishonest in addition to having garbage politics.

>>19089254
because I'm a student of history
>Did you somehow fail to notice the USA allying with the USSR agaisnt the Axis?
read trotsky if you are interested in why the USSR pursued class collaborationist, defensive foreign policy

>>19089270
>It is not the 20th century. Things have changed.
Bourgeois democratic norms go out the window when profits are threatened. American institutions are not sacred to them, they are only sacred to idiots like you.
>the capitalist class has to take climate change seriously, for real, for real this time
retard, then explain why are they still patronizing the side of the aisle that denies climate change?

>>19089105
LMAO this reads like satire

>>19088918
> anti-humanist
>"I just hate everyone, man."
anti-humanist is not anti-human, it's anti-humanism. Humanism is the absurd idea that humans are something more than animals, and that they have intrinsic "value" as humans and thus should have "rights"
As you can see, this is quite different

>>19089034
I'm not interested in knowing whether you are interested in my interests or not

>>19089229
>There are like half a dozen democratic senators that would rather do nothing.
There's literally 1, that dude in West Virginia, Manchin. The rest will vote as needed. (And if they don't, replace them too in the next election).

>>19089297
>Bourgeois democratic norms go out the window when profits are threatened. American institutions are not sacred to them, they are only sacred to idiots like you.
Again, fascism is a dead ideology. Even if I accept your "capitalists are 9000 IQ planners bro, they'll bring about fascism 80 years after it died" claim, the demographics are plain to see. There's only so many whites left, they don't have the numbers to do fascism anymore.

>then explain why are they still patronizing the side of the aisle that denies climate change?
It's the voter base that's to blame, not Republican donors. The Republican voter base are morons who think global warming is fake, and people will appeal to them to get power. Once they are no longer a great political power, the donors will switch over to addressing the issue. Hell, they might do so now, because climate change's effects are starting to be felt.

>>19089327
>There's literally 1, that dude in West Virginia, Manchin. The rest will vote as needed. (And if they don't, replace them too in the next election).
the other anon already destroyed you on this. There are like 4 or 5 others besides Manchin. You can't get rid of them, there will always conveniently be 4 or 5 others, because the donor class can use campaign donations to pick primary winners 95% of the time. And they can wave checks in front of lefty progressives to turn them into corporate prostitutes. That's what happened to Krysten Synema.

>fascism can only be done with white people
you are too dumb for this board, your inferences are shit. There have been fascist movements in non-white countries. For example, there were fascists in Brazil in the 1930s. It will not be a dead movement when profits are threatened. Anti-democratic reactionaries always emerge when profits are threatened.

>The Republican voter base are morons who think global warming is fake,
and who the fuck do you think told them that? Do you think that opinion emerged out of a vacuum, as if by some sort of miracle? Do you think it has nothing to do with what conservative pundits, and conservative media conglomerates, and conservative politicians have been saying nonstop for 25 years? You fucking retard? Smug morons like you look down on decent, hard working conservatives, but liberals you are truly the biggest shitstains on America, intellectually speaking.

>>19089389
>muh profits, muh fascists
I am talking to a pessimistic brick wall.

>because the donor class can use campaign donations to pick primary winners 95% of the time
And the day is coming the donor class will need to support candidates who will address climate change, to secure their own survival.

>there were fascists in Brazil in the 1930s.
>Brazil
>non-white
lmao
The closest thing there is to a fascist non-white country is Modern China, and they are communist at heart.

>and who the fuck do you think told them that...
People will believe what they need to believe to continue their line of work, like mining, drilling, etc. If people like the media and politicians fed them what they wanted to hear, oh well.

>Smug morons like you look down on decent, hard working conservatives, but liberals you are truly the biggest shitstains on America, intellectually speaking.
Those conservatives you praise wouldn't be very fond of your leftist politics lol

>>19089434
>the capitalist class resorts to a particular set of tools in certain situations across history and it is utopianism of the highest order to expect them to behave otherwise.
>the capitalist class has blood on it's hands, both in their responsibility for the climate debacle, and the continued obfuscation of its severity and its existence
>yet in spite of all this, the oligarchs will suddenly have a change of heart, and permit US democracy to destroy their profit margins, when in the past they have always turned to fascism
I don't know what to say, I guess this is the smug utopian idealism at the heart of every democratic partisan. Go write down some predictions on a note card and put it in a sock drawer. As the next few decades unfold, it will become clear how retarded you are.

>>19089327
>There's literally 1, that dude in West Virginia, Manchin. The rest will vote as needed. (And if they don't, replace them too in the next election).
democratic incumbents don't get beaten in the primaries except as a fluke. Even AOC will not endorse progressives challengers unless by some miracle they seem poised to win anyway.

>>19088897
biological reductionism

>>19088444
Rothbard.

>>19089434
>lmao
>The closest thing there is to a fascist non-white country is Modern China, and they are communist at heart
I just want to point out and laugh at this statement. If anything the Modern China is much more Nat-Soc than ever. The HKs(who knows China much more than a delusional pseud like you) call them Chinazi for a reason.

>>19089685
china is a degenerated workers state, just like the soviet union post-1929, or the modern DPRK. It is ruled by a bureaucratic clique, who answer only to themselves. The major means of production remain nationalized and controlled by the state. This is substantively different than the fascist states of the 20th century, where the leaders were patronized by Business elites, property relations were never overturned and enormous amounts of state property was privatized.
Two distinct phenomenon.

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>>19088867
>christcucks are race traitors
W-woah…

>>19088444
Dont betrqy your race you stupid retard
>>19088454
Nigger hands wrote this (or smug libshit hands)
Nowhere in the bible does it say race isn't real, or that we need to let it die

>>19088596
>Hello me from 5 years ago.
Sure it was, disgusting tranny

I’m a 1/4 Asian 1/4 Med 1/2 Anglo guy who wants to become a WN. Books for this feel?

>>19088514
holy based