/lit/ - Literature

>>19062247
Wouldn't it have made more sense if Job had died rather than getting a bunch of new stuff in reward

>>19062247
Dishonest bait thread. Why do you fragile fools have to shit up the board every fucking day like this?
Your god is malevolent. Your faith is polytheistic or you pretend Jesus would have played this evil joke on a family.

>>19062256
And spoil the punchline?

>>19062288
>people discussing religious literature on the literature board
>suddenly an attention starved tripfag tranny with the mentality of an edgy teenager storms into every single thread related to the topic and shits all of them up literally every chance he gets
>after meeting his quota of "shitposting in threads on a topic i dont like because it makes me feel better about myself" he asks "Why do you fragile fools have to shit up the board "

maybe you should be asking yourself that question

>>19062339
>stupid "atheist seethe" bait
>people discussing religious literature on the literature board
Pick one

the beauty of religion is that it's a superimposed layer, it's not supposed to make anyone seethe

Why would it make me seethe at all? It in no way solves tge problem of evil. In fact, if you read between the lines of this book, you can almost hear the writer admitting defeat. The book of Job isn't about the story of a man who is inflicted with suffering, but about the writer of that story, who is inflicted with a beliefsystem that he himself knows is complete bullshit, yet still forces him to pretend that it makes perfect sense, because he can't think beyond it. He simply doesn't have the faculties to look beyond his own world to a different world, and so he stays imprisoned in a world he knows isn't real, playing along, just like everyone else.

And thus, he went to his meme folder, searched for the same old stale and tired meme about a fat man wearing a hat, and posted it, pretending it was a knock-out blow, while knowing full well nobody believes him

>>19062288
>seething

>>19062356
its pretty obvious both me and the tripfag were both referring to threads beyond this singular one. its a clear pattern at this point. this tranny literally scans the catalog for threads spirituality just to shit them up. you should have seen the catastrophic mental breakdown he had when he was confronted with he fact that his metaphysical beliefs are inherently faith based too lmao.

im not even particularly religious but this person is just pathetic, straight out of r/atheism tier " i am euphoric" tier

>>19062389
fuck jesus

>>19062247
Moral derision at the fact so many people worship a god so morally repulsive. God comes off as an abusive parent in this story.

>>19062396
how euphoric

>>19062387
>explains
>seething
We simply see it for what it is. As a proto-Shakespearean tragedy it’s fine. As an actual event, it’s depraved and doesn’t even jive with your loving god theme

>>19062410
>literally cannot pass by one single thread about religion without getting angry and shitting it up
>im not seething guys trust me
loooooool

>>19062410
This is what it's like to live without the Glory of Christ in your heart

>>19062432
More dishonesty. I am forced to flag and hide multiple threads on the this idiotic cult. There’s too many to post on. This one is obviously a bait thread though, OP. Gtfo

>>19062469
>The glory of a corpse (fictional)
>That supposedly engineered the murder of a family and torture of a man in this ancient dark comedy
Such bullshit

>>19062404
>Moral derision at the fact so many people worship a god so morally repulsive. God comes off as an abusive parent in this story.

>>19062469
the thing that really disturbs me is that this person needs to be a tripfag on 4chan and make all these edgy posts because its how they feel a human connection to other people and earn recognition and stroke their ego, because this person is an extremely lonely person whos sinful lifestyle left them burned out and alone in old age, no family, no nothing, and this is literally al they have, being a tripfag on 4chan. she is alone in the dark room with nothing but her sin

the story of butters has unironically heavily inspired me to do literally the opposite of everything she says, she is like a lighthouse whose light reaches through the internet and says "WARNING, STEER CLEAR OF THESE WATERS, OR ELSE"

>>19062247
I don't know. But it give me strength during times of trouble. I have schizophrenia and my voices can become a cacophony of voices telling me to kill myself over and over and stuff like that. Bullying me basically.

I see myself as Job being afflicted by Satan.

It's nice to know I'm one of God's favorite humans if I'm like Job.

Though, I'll concede to butterfly that part of me knows Satan doesn't even exist and Monotheism dictates that it is just God torturing me. Yes I still love God.

>>19062380
>read between the lines of this book
How can you read between the lines if there are no words there?
>>19062410
YOU ARE LOVED

>>19062499
Do the opposite for real and kys

>>19062490
I will pray for you, Butters. I hope one day you will let go of all this hate

>>19062525
I am love itself. The agape I feel is why I try to turn you away from these crypt cultists

>>19062247
Why would it make me seethe if I haven't read it and don't plan to?
Checkmate, Christians.

Butterfly is such an atheistic little rascal I don't really mind :3

>>19062507
BASED & BLESSED

>>19062520
lol how about i do the opposite and live a fulfilled life striving to be a better person and enjoying the company of my family and friends whom i will grow old with instead of living a life completely dictated by narcissism and mindless hedonism like you

>>19062555
Nice gif, checked trips, but I got all that covered already.
Hey, have a nice day, ass.

>>19062520
Absolutely SEETHING lmao, that one struck a nerve

>>19062581

imaginary friends you cooked up as you sit alone and reminisce about your wasted prime years dont count

>>19062581
I'm sure you have a whole big family of cats who will eat your corpse after you die old and alone with no one to check on you

>>19062581
PLS DONT LET THESE PPL GET 2 U THATS ALL I WANNA SAY OK BYE ;33

>>19062597
dont. let. them. get. to. you.

>>19062247
>Why does this book make atheists seethe so hard?
Becaus it solves the theodice.

>>19062247
it doesn't, actually I like it because it single handedly refutes christianity
no need to answer I'm fucking off from your shit thread

>>19062288
Exhibit A

>>19062666
trips like pottery, satan was more morally righteous than god
alright fucking off for real now

>>19062666
seething

it was a proto-gnostic text, I will not reply to any seething this post causes.

>>19062581
ymnbaw

>>19062247
Teenage atheists dont wanna get a job

The particularly autistic brain that lends itself to atheism can't read anything beyond a surface level. This is why they constantly talk about God being some bearded man in the sky. They can't comprehend the analogy and literally think that's what God is.

Previously: >>/lit/thread/S18884286

>The most common idea about the premise of Job is totally opposite to the text itself. The text makes it explicit that there is no idyllic God-Job relation that Satan reactively interferes in. Who brings up Job? Who singles him out? Who puts him under the microscope? Who forces a tremendous volume of his own unwanted input onto him? GOD, not Satan. Job's obscene exceptionalism is proactively mentioned by God, not reactively questioned by Satan. Even the first, and second, question between God and Satan is asked by GOD, Job being the mere object, fetish, that God uses to "accuse" Satan. Accuse of what? Exactly.

>>19062247
it makes God seem petty, unwise, uncaring and human

>>19062814
>Reads beyond surface level
>Become atheist
Christians can’t see beyond the surface. Your post shows the same tendencies. It’s shallow seething

>>19062814
>God torturing a pious man because he made a bet with Satan makes sense because...LOOK IT DOES OKAY?

>Jeez, how shallow to not mindlessly accept this maaaaaan. Like, open up your mind brooooo and mindlessly obey a religious powerstructure that makes no sense and exploits you duuuuuude

>OP claims that atheists seethe
>his thread fills with theist butthurt about people have the nerve not to accept retarded fairy tales

Does it actually make atheists seethe? I reckon the books of the bible that would make an atheist seethe the most would be genesis, leviticus and revelations.

Because it explains that the will of God is beyond human understanding, no matter how intelligent you think you are. And that God is always right, even if you don't understand certain things. Also because dinosaurs are in it. Which means dinosaurs existed thousands of years ago, not millions, and that almost all modern science is fake.

>>19063037
tpbp

>>19062247
Job is a subpar version of the Bhagavad Gita to be quite honest

>>19062859
>Christians can’t see beyond the surface
Is this why we compare Job to a type of Christ? The Chaldeans and bandits that raided his property to the Pharisees and Saducees? But how can someone who denies the spiritual and mystical even begin to approach scripture anagogically?

>>19062247
>Why does this book make atheists seethe so hard?
huh? since when?

>>19063024
And the Gospels. Denying the parables of Christ is admittance to impiety, hostility, profanity, and cruelty.

>>19063064
Based. The Bhagavad Gita is simply superior to the Bible in every way.

>>19063118
>The BG is within my ability to understand

>>19063118
They can't really be compared. Gita is not truly about moral teachings or prophecy. It's is simply a single chapter in a larger story that is even less like the bible. But it comes ot the same moral teachings as Job in a far more illustrative way.
Now the Christians get angry at us.

>>19063037
based

>>19063037
So during the second coming all the righteous eat dinosaurs? Or is it only symbolic their?

>>19062288
No one believes Job actually happened. It's not a history book, it's a wisdom book.

>>19064447
>wisdom
It’s a book about obedience (again)
Someday we’ll say this about the Jesus myths too. Almost there.

>>19062814
>bearded man in the sky
Ancient christcucks believed this, as well as flat earth theory and free will.

>>19062247
I hate this book because my parents named me after Job. Do you know how many times I have correct people on how to pronounce my name ?

>>19064519
Based parents, you were blessed, stop being a faggot.

>>19062666
>666 digits tells me to hate the story of Job.
Checks out.

>>19064511
>Ancient christcucks believed this
citation needed

>>19064519
How you pronounce it?
Joeb?
Yob?

>>19064568
Jobe

>>19064635
Hobay?

Job is a hard filter for many people because they have a hard time understanding that God, being the absolute unit that he is, can do anything and everything he wants to do for whatever inscrutable reason, and he doesn't have to explain shit, he is God after all.

That said, there are a number of lessons in Job that humble proud mankind. That's another reason right there, humans by and large are proud, and most of us don't like to be humbled, even by God himself.

The main lesson I take away from Job is that everyone must suffer, from the very worst, to the very best of mankind; there is a planed purpose to this suffering which mankind, with our limited logic and wisdom, cannot fully comprehend on our own without revaltion from God.
Job did not understand that he was not being punished by being singled out by the accuser, rather, that he was serving the higher purpose of glorifying God and the triumph of good over evil, through his steadfast faith in God in the face of complete and total suffering.

>>19064732
>there is a planed purpose to this suffering which mankind,
What planned purpose? The story explicitly explains the terrors that befall Job as God and Satan fucking around

>rather, that he was serving the higher purpose of glorifying God
He was literally the victim of a bet between God and Satan, how the FUCK is there a higher purpose involved here?

Real talk though, why the perfect being of infinite wisdom tell his followers to not wash their hands before eating? We know for an absolute fact now that it mitigates the spread of food-borne illness and this guy just tells his bros it's cool to dig in with their shit hands. And, remember, toilet paper isn't getting invented for thousands of years. I know it seems silly, but how to the true believers reconcile this?

>>19065152
>Real talk though, why the perfect being of infinite wisdom tell his followers to not wash their hands before eating?
Because Jesus knew germ theory was a meme.

>>19065152
strengthens the immune system in a time when it a strong immune system was critical

>>19065152
God works in mysterious ways.
It's not our place to question.
If he wants your foreskin, you give it to him.

>>19065163
Why does he crave the penis skin so much? Is it for the lulz? I'm picturing some guy that just makes an entire civilization then demands they worship him by sacrificing piles of cockmeat. How do people base their entire lives and communities around this? It's fucking bizarre.

>>19065152
This image is insanely retarded, and the fact that you keep posting them is proof of your stupidity

>>19065230
Not an argument

>>19064455
>It’s a book about obedience (again)
It really isn't. God at no point tells Job how to live in the body of the whirlwind speech. In fact, God constantly questions Job.

>>19065095

You don't see it.

Why would Satan, a being who's sole purpose is to tempt and corrupt mankind away from God and righteousness, want to make a bet with God; that God's most righteous mortal servant is actually a phony who will fold like paper the moment any pressure is applied? God takes the bet. Satan tries his hardest to turn Job away from God through suffering, yet, despite Job`s complaints, despair, and confusion; Job does not curse God. He keeps his faith.

God took the bet because he already knew what was going to happen. He knew Job was strong enough to endure the worst suffering possible, but Job himself didn't know. Job and his friends errenously believed that we get rewarded or punished on Earth for our behavior, God shows them the truth.

On a higher analysis, we see that the wager is symbolic. Evil and suffering vs righteousness and faithfulness. Through Jobs example, we know that a human being can endure any amount of suffering if they keep God in their heart and stay faithful to him. We learn that God only permits us to suffer as much as we can endure, even if we don't know it ourselves. We learn that God uses suffering to burn away our delusions and teach us wisdom, if we only show humility and faithfulness in the face of it.
We learn that for the faithful believer, suffering is only ever temporary.
These and many more lessons contain in Job, taken together glorify God. The worst worldly suffering and evil is only temporary, for God's truth; that God is the absolute, the Alpha and Omega, that good always triumphs evil, and that God loves us; keeping these truths in our hearts allows mortal man to transcend his limitations and this material world.

>>19062520
seethe more tranny tripfag

I get the overall point of the book, but why have satan tempt god into doing it exactly? I guess this is one of those OT foibles that was retconned after the reboot

could Job be read as a koan of sorts?

>reee if God is so good why does he let bad things happen? reee

Why are redditors like this?

is this true? did devil trick god into torturing a man that otherwise wouldnt live through tgese griefs?

>>19066523
Trad Caths are the most unimaginable people alive. You treat the Bible as if it was a comic book. There is only the most surface level interpretation. You don't ever look into historical context, the language used, or meaning beyond what the church tells you to believe. For fucks sake, Satan was not a thing when Job was written. There is only one of "The Sons of God" known as the Adversary.

>>19066523
>We learn that God only permits us to suffer as much as we can endure, even if we don't know it ourselves
That's delusional

>>19066954
Assuming God knew the result all along, he just let the devil torture a guy for the lulz, then tossed in a lecture about how it's his way or the highway for good measure. Also killed the dude's family, but their suffering is completely irrelevant, since they aren't God's current golden boy

>>19066523
Why did God even create Satan?

>>19067194
>design being that you know betrays you in your grand plan
>punish him for doing what you directly put in motion
I think the Christian God is just a sadist.

>>19064519
I knew a Job at uni. Most of the time he was just known as 'Joe'.

>>19062247
Why does this feed make Chucks seed so Sneed?

>>19062247
You have to have an IQ over 130 to understand. The result is midwit seethe, the tripfag being a case in point.

>>19067213
BEES

>>19062247
>Why does this book make atheists seethe so hard?
does it? I'm an atheist and I find it a very interesting story, one of the best book of the bible

>>19062480
I don’t think you know what cult mean lmao

>>19067194
It's not love unless it's a choice.

>>19067287
Religion is a cult, but I use it to describe a church, a central command of clerics

>>19065269
The book isn’t for Job, it’s for other people. It is more about keeping the faith despite your miseries, god is just testing you etc.

>>19067300
Doesn't really answer the question. Absence of love is not the same as evil. I can have no love for you, that doesn't mean I hate you and plot your demise

>>19067356
>god is just testing you
I think people come away with this interpretation because they put far too much thought into the first two chapters. If people actually read the book, they would realize it is about Job wanting to put God on trial and have him answer for the evil in the world. When God comes down in the whirlwind, he turns the tables on Job. God tells Job that he will answer Jobs questions after Job answers his. Once again, God provides no rules, he doesn't accuse Job of being a sinner, nor does he ever threaten Job with eternal damnation. If God were testing Jobs faith, all of these would be key components of his speech.
Compare the whirlwind speech to the speech in Chapter 28. The speaker (KJV says its Job, but this is widely disputed) talks about how all the riches of the world cannot buy God's wisdom. God alone grasps it and keeps it hidden from people. The only way to obtain wisdom is by prostrating yourself before God and obeying his laws. When God finally speaks to Job, he doesn't give any laws. He also points to the natural world and all of creation as the source of wisdom.

>>19067360
Am I God? If you do not love me, you have done no harm to me. But if you do not love God, you do not love Goodness itself. While God can be loved to greater and lesser degrees, anything less than love of God is hatred of God.

>>19067300
Do angels even have free will? Is it not God that's forcing Satan to play the scapegoat?

>>19067610
Angels are spiritual beings, meaning they possess an intellectual and a will, but no bodies. They were made before the creation of the earth and before time. All the angels were subjected to a moral test, but as they were without bodies and beyond time, it is difficult for us to understand the manner in which this occurred. After making their choice, the wills of the angels were fixed, just as our will becomes fixed at death. Satan did not have to choose as he chose.

I'm fucking certain that Job is one of many instances of men tricked by something narcissistic pretending to be the one true God

>>19067735
It's actually the opposite and the rest of the Old Testament is that.

>>19066954
The Satan in the book of Job is not the devil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6tzNfqJ9-0

>>19062288
>The bible isn’t literal, chuds!
That’s not the point.

>>19062288
>Your god is malevolent. Your faith is polytheistic or you pretend Jesus would have played this evil joke on a family.
The family died. They killed everyone except Job in order to test Job.

>>19067254
Agreed. I read it as literature, just as I do the more aphoristic or abstract kind of religious writing. And while the latter appeals to me more, especially when systematic as Gnosticism, even there I take it as poetry about nature, its attributes, and man's weird circumstance in it. Recently a hailstorm wrecked half of my garden, which stirred a little reflection about how disasters can induce a touch of paranoia when attributing causes, influences and intents, despite the loss being a minor aesthetic one--as opposed to the ordeal of having one's house blown clean off its foundation by a twister.

>>19067356
Its more illustrating that man has no ability to call God to account due to the huge difference in rank. Its like Leibniz's privileged monads. How can an ant call a human to account? This is a legalistic text, not about faith in the least (Job has faith from the beginning, he doesnt lose faith in God, he accuses God and states 'j'accuse)

>>19062247
That whole book is about a believer seething. At the end God tells him to just shut the hell up and deal with it. Cool religion!

>>19062490
>dude religion is like so stupid!
>is miserable
Many such cases!

>>19069291
This, sad!

>>19062247
Most people fine killing children objectionable even when there are justifiable reasons.

>be zoomer/millenial
>grow up Christian and reject it because ugh going to church is boring, and ugh a talking bush....really???
>reach adulthood, the subconscious is desperately trying to fill the spiritual void
>pick and choose some epic contrarian religion (very important that nobody in your immediate family practices it)
>my spirituality never transcends beyond internet conversations
>spend the rest of your life arguing various religions and never address the gaping hole that's manifesting in that behavior
>die miserable
What do you even call these people? I assume a rationalist could easily recognize their human failings, and give in to the performative aspects of religion, and reap the social benefits, in whatever flawed manner they can.

>>19069469
excuse the schizopost, am sleepy

Bump

>>19069469
What do you feel is missing in such a spiritual void? Religion has community and fun holidays and provides you a copypasta lifestyle, but you can also get those things without it.

>>19064522
>Based parents, you were blessed, stop being a faggot.

no ,its a pain in the ass. But at least I wasn't named after cucked by god like a lot of burgers.
>>19064568
Same way your pronounce picrels name.
>>19067213
I've encountered this before and at some points I just roll with it.

>>19062247
It makes them seethe so hard because God basically teaches Job that He doesn't have to answer to him. This makes all the atheists who hate God for taking something away from them mad because God can do it, and doesn't owe them an explanation of why. It also makes all the atheists who claim God is not good angry that God could allow so much suffering to be inflicted onto a person, because they perceive this as evil. They fail to realize what Job did by the end of the book, that his suffering allowed him to understand a greater aspect of who God was, which was more valuable than the suffering he had to endure. People who don't yield to God through faith in Jesus Christ have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that God is what matters and nothing is prioritized over this; not your suffering, not your health, not your life. Atheists kick and scream at this concept because if God is not real and there is no afterlife, then this life is all they have and they want it to be as hedonistic as possible.

>>19071482
BASED

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& *excellent* explanation pilled.

>>19069291
>>19069316
I’m not, in any way, miserable. I was when I was younger, and religious. It made me miserable to follow that schizophrenic babbling as the truth of the universe. I struggled to make sense of it, I discovered Gnosticism for a time, but it too was ridiculous. I had to wash away this sickening stain of guilt and give up that immortality spell.
That freed me. And I began to feel what I called unreasonably calm. I was in terrible financial troubles at the time, but I handled the pressure and got out of it. Been feeling fine, despite everything wrong in the world, I wonderful.
Been trying to help anonymous do the same. Maybe you all need some psilocybin.

>>19071482
>learning god is a dick is worth the suffering from god being a dick
Still don't see why people feel the need to have a god to fill in the gaps of meaning in their lives.

>>19071813
psilocybin is the stuff that makes you poop to clear you out before anal sex right?

>>19071813
You may have been religious, but you've never so much as encountered the spiritual

>>19071875
No. It’s also known as magic mushroom

>>19071913
Never seen a ghost, but what I feel as spirit, I have an abundance of. I just accept it as a physical manifestation of the mind. A “miraculous” organ.

>>19071482
>doesn't owe them an explanation of why.
thats why science is so perfect for atheism

>>19062288
You seem like the type of person to blame the developer when you die in a video game because it's too hard and throw a fit about how you never wanted to play it anyway. Such a need for validation and attention is probably what led you to becoming such an insufferable tripfag for all these years.

>>19072247
Wait, what science are you talking about: the one that can't quantify good and evil, or the one which tells men they aren't gay if they sleep with another man that cut off "her" penis?

>>19072271
>pregnant video game metaphor that barely conceals the seethe.

>>19072275
Don't worry man, I gotchu some more (you)s, you clearly need them today

>>19068877
Based and mature-pilled.

Because its purpose is to evoke the question of "Why does God let good people suffer?" which, for an atheist, is the ultimate moral argument used against God.
An atheist's or midwit's interpretation:
>"God is bad because he lets good people suffer even though he is omnipotent! What an asshole!"
A level-headed, non-surface level interpretation:
>"You can be a good, loyal, and pious man whether you have a good life or a miserable one, and this is an ultimate test of one's character. Job passed that test."
The interpretation of the book of Job is the ultimate filter.

>>19072450
Why was Job blessed with more than he ever had before then? The message is totally undermined by the quintessential OT narrative that things shall always end well. It's a blatant bullshit 'just have faith and you'll be sipping honey out of your ten beautiful wives' arseholes before long!' Just a generically mercenary tale.

>>19072450
Both interpretations can be true at the same time. God is a tremendous asshole that doesn't deserve Job's love and devotion.

God may fuck you out of a drunk gamble with the devil over your faithfulness but you'll deserve it anyways if you curse god and let go of your faith.

>>19071482
Historical Job would execute you for idolatry (christianity) since he was Jewish.

Would it be sinful of Job to even expect a reward or compensation for his suffering, caused by god?

Bump

>>19064519
... did they know Job means hated?

>>19066523
Excellent post, Anon.

Another thread of pure schizo-posting by delusional christcucks. You all should start reading other books, instead of the same old Jewish midwit Books. It's not healthy to revolve your life around a desert pagan religion.

>>19064519
Bible names are the worst, the only tolerable ones are the angel names. Thank Shaytan, I wasn't named after this Jewish-Roman culture.

I always love that there are at least ten thorough, well written, theologically sound and astute responses written in these threads, and the contrarians just keep hollering "BUT HE'S A DICK HE'S A DICK" and it's almost as if they didn't actually read or attempt to understand anyone else.

Why are Christians unable to explain anything without the Bible?

Why does it not make the religious seethe?

>>19072450
What is this, Stockholm Syndrome: The Religion?
Holy shit are christfags severely mentally damaged.

>>19073213
Yes. Mourning his dead family and wishing for another day with his wife's embrace is a shameful act of defiance against God and he deserves eternal punishment for such blasphemous desires.

>>19073573
>theologically sound
As opposed to logically sound where we don't derive life's mysteries as the work of some angry narcissist in the sky.

>>19073705
If we are not punished in this life, whence cometh the old testament cycle of apostasy - punishment? Was not Jerusalem sacked by the babylonians for the jews sins?

>>19062247
Where is the female representation? Are we nothing but Cattle? Nothing but heads of cattle to you quibbling men?

Because it disproves the evolutionists' claims. Behemoth is a dinosaur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtL6To9uacI

Athiests should repent and come to Christ. Anything else is self delusion

Another day on /lit/
Another thread full of insecure faggots with empty lives trying to use religion as their personal weapon to attack and tear down straw men to make themselves feel better about themselves
Here's a hint for you faggots
God is revered because he created the universe, not because he destroyed it.
Jesus is looked up to because he brought people up and saved them, not because he put others in their places and punished them.

>>19073987
Yes anon, nothing makes people want to convert to Christianity like a SpongeBob meme

>>19072710
>>19073681
>>19073705
God is by definition the infinite, eternal, perfect, ultimate being. Meanwhile, you're finite and flawed. Knowing that the difference is literally infinite, take a moment to ponder just how prideful and absurd you have to be to ever question Him.

>>19074050
>Look fear of the master that is wisdom
>and the shunning of evil is insight
You are still missing the point. You think the quoted text is what God wants. That God holds us all with a gun to our heads and say "You shall do this, You shall not do that". However, once God speaks to Job from the whirlwind, he doesnt tell Job a bunch of laws or threaten him with eternal damnation. God displays to Job all of creation. It instills astonishment from Job. Yes it is similar to fear, but it is not the "do this or else" type. God doesn't tell Job how to live his life or if he is evil or not. God is merely demonstrating to Job his place in nature. It's amazing this book is even in the Bible. Job goes completely against the image of Yahweh presented elsewhere in the old testament, especially the writings in psalms

>>19074072
>You think the quoted text is what God wants. That God holds us all with a gun to our heads and say "You shall do this, You shall not do that".
>eternal damnation
Where are you getting any of this? Did you mean to reply to someone else?

>>19074050
>by definition the infinite, eternal, perfect, ultimate being.
Yeah, just like Kim Il-Sung is in NK propaganda.

>>19074126
>Did you mean to reply to someone else?
Yes, but I don't think that takes away from my argument

My dad hated the book of Job and he was religious. I never asked him why or if he did explain I can't remember his reasoning. Probably either the idea that God would focus on one person to deliberately make someone miserable for a bet or that giving Job a new family after killing his old one rubbed him the wrong way. As if a wife and children are replaceable objects.

>>19073775
I'm not sure what you're asking. You talking about something like karma? It's basically an oversimplification of cause/effect that doesn't really account for all the chaos/noise in the complex structure of human interaction, but it does point at trends in human behavior.

Why does atheism makes christcuck seethes so much?

>>19073987
Repent for what? What's he even have to offer? The guy didn't even wash his hands after he shits, why should I trust him about the afterlife?

>>19064447
If I make up an anecdote with a god who is the good guy, a devil who is a bad guy, and a man who experiences their interplay, would you worship my god?

>>19074143
We're talking about the uncaused cause of the entire cosmos, not a person. But you are right in that we can't trust any being that claims to be God or his messenger since we have no way to discern whether or not it's just some demon trying to trick us.

>>19074050
He's a hypothetical, while I'm a provable reality. At best, he's a tulpa that went mainstream and exists as a memetic gestalt. Besides, assuming he was an infinite, eternal, perfect, ultimate being, why would he focus on a tiny blip residing in the arm of some random galaxy? Would we even be considered life from his point of view?

>>19074072
iirc the Book of Job was the oldest of all the books in the compilation, so that's why it stands out so distinctly from the others.

>>19074215
>God is omnipotent, therefore it's impossible for him to care about the smallest of things

Job can literally be summed up by Proverbs 3:5 --
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding"

>>19074215
>why would he focus on a tiny blip residing in the arm of some random galaxy? Would we even be considered life from his point of view?
Because we're fallen souls and this is not our home. Because consciousness is the spark of divinity. And what does size have to do with anything? God's focus or attention isn't limited.

>>19074242
It's not impossible, but why would he give a shit about some ape people jacking it to pictures of other ape people. Seems insanely implausible.
>>19074267
Fallen from where? Where exactly are our souls outside of the biochemistry in our heads? Does your soul only get partially booted if you get a lobotomy?

>>19074223
Yes, but Genesis and Psalms were definitely known to to Job author if not to a wide audience in the Levant

>>19074339
Not necessarily. Granted, creation myths have been around for a long time. It could go either way. Genesis is dated around 6th-5th centuries BC, while Job is dated around 7th-4th centuries BC, so it's a bit of a toss-up.

On a side note, having a weird cutoff between BC and AD makes no sense at all to me and tends to cut off most of human civilization from our timescale by putting it in the negatives.

>>19074297
>but why would he give a shit about some ape people jacking it to pictures of other ape people. Seems insanely implausible.
You have your conclusion of everything being meaningless embedded in the premise. We're God's children, so of course, he cares about what happens to us. And you're clearly free to be as lost as you please. But if you see the material world for what it is and want to be free of it, then giving in to material pleasures is obviously not the way.
>Fallen from where?
Blissful worship at the feet of God.
>Where exactly are our souls outside of the biochemistry in our heads?
It's the deepest self that is experiencing the biochemistry of your brain.
>Does your soul only get partially booted if you get a lobotomy?
No, you're just experiencing inhabiting a lobotomized brain.

>>19074386
>Blissful worship at the feet of God.
And that's the problem. Kiss asses all you want, it's not love or faith from either side if fear is the only instrument.

>>19074223
>>19074339
>>19074383
Job is based off an old Sumerian myth. Parts of Genesis are also lifted from a Sumerian myth.

>>19074469
Fear of what?

>>19062410
>this life and its trials meaning anything to an immortal soul living in the grace of our lord

>>19062507
Very based.

>>19074660
Of your creepy totalitarian skywizard

>bad things happen because, uh, I said so!
>wow god u so smart

>>19074386
>We're God's children
Implying he's not our own brainchild, compiled onto generation after generation. What differentiates him from a tulpa, outside of popularity?
>But if you see the material world for what it is and want to be free of it,
What is it? How are you getting free? I see an abstract layer of memetics above it, but it's an emergent property not some magical mumbo jumbo with cheat codes
>then giving in to material pleasures is obviously not the way
I dunno. Does aesthetics count as an immaterial pleasure?