/lit/ - Literature

Genesis, Creation and Early Man
They need to reprint it ASAP because I'm way too poorfag to buy it at that ridiculous cost

>>19002827
Good answer. I'm still not sold on a literal interpretation of everything in Genesis so maybe reading that will clear some things up

>>19002827
you can always just get the pdf

>>19002806
The Holy Bible is all you need.

>>19002806

>>19003412
>toll house
literally true

>>19003464
meant for >>19003423

>>19003471
(You) got it right the first time, Mary, "saint", and wafer worship has you warped.

>>19003491
that's just your heterodox opinion

>>19002806
I'm about halfway through this book, and as a person who holds perennialist/Traditionalist sympathies, I'm a bit disappointed. Not because he rejects Perennialism (I actually got a bit hyped for his Christian apologetics and his arguments on how Christianity and other religions are not compatible), but because he cherrypicks examples from the worst that Hinduism and Buddhism have to offer (ISKON, Kali worshipers, mediums, Neovedanta, Californian Buddhism, etc).

How do his other books compare to The Soul After Death? It was definitely an interesting read but I was kind of disappointed by his lack of arguments, especially since I had the sense that he had compelling ones to make. His style is also very prescriptive, which on the one hand makes sense given the Orthodox viewpoint, on the other hand, people like Father Spyridon Bailey have a very gentle and convincing way of talking about these things.

>>19003622
I wish I would have refreshed before I replied because I have the same issue. It's especially disappointing because given his contact with actual Traditionalist writings he kind of breaks the principle of charity when he writes.

>>19003423
>Have you listened to Orthodoxy and Hetrodoxy?
why yes I have actually

>>19002806
I enjoyed the book about Seraphim Rose more than the books by Seraphim Rose, most of which were put together and published after his death I believe. And even that book has its problems but the story of Rose’s early life was still really interesting.

>>19003826
The Taoist to Guenonian Traditionalist to patristic EO monk pipeline is fascinating. I should pick up his biography sometime.

>>19002806
Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future and Nihilism are really his two key works for people who aren't Orthodox. For those who are Orthodox I would recommend reading God's Revelation to the Human Heart then The Soul After Death. The Northern Thebaid is a good one too.
>>19002827
St. Herman Press will be printing another batch in January.
>>19003622
>>19003654
Father Rose addressed the most predominant Hindu and Buddhist movements of his day. His goal was to reach the largest amount of people, and the majority of practitioners of Hinduism and Buddhism weren't esoteric perennialists/Traditionalists but normies.

Cracks in the Great Wall by Charles Upton

>>19003967
>His goal was to reach the largest amount of people, and the majority of practitioners of Hinduism and Buddhism weren't esoteric perennialists/Traditionalists but normies
Still, the man was a Guenonian and knew something about the orthodox practices of those religions, and I would've like to here how can argue that Christianity is the one true religion compared to those. It just seems a bit dishonest to omit them, especially when he most likely knew a lot about them.

>>19003671
>bishop chad
Who is the most chad bishop currently alive?

>>19003622
>(ISKON, Kali worshipers, mediums, Neovedanta, Californian Buddhism, etc
How is this substantially any different from Advaita when all of them bind you to evil spirits?

>>19004097
Prove it

>>19004107
"and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world."

>>19003967
>For those who are Orthodox
Don't forget his works on Genesis. Many people are infected with the "evolution is compatible with orthodoxy" notion.

>>19004025
>knew something about the orthodox practices of those religions,
If I'm not mistaken most of Fr. Seraphim's knowledge was about the Chinese tradition. His friend Hieromonk Damascene wrote this book about the traces of Logos in Chinese thought.

>>19004187
Do you think Seraphim Rose would've disavowed everything that is written in that book? From what I'm reading so far in OatRotF, it seems like he would.

>>19004124
Those are just words in a book, I meant prove that there are entities involved in those practices that are demons not just according to the Bible but according to the later, more refined traditions of your particular denomination.

>>19004187
He had a Master's degree in some kind of Asian studies, and iirc he dabbled in Zen Buddhism and Hinduism prior to his conversion. I also read somewhere that before he converted he said that he wanted to to for Chinese tradition what Guenon (PBUH) had done for Hindu tradition

>>19003622
>cherrypicks examples from the worst that Hinduism and Buddhism have to offer (ISKON, Kali worshipers, mediums, Neovedanta, Californian Buddhism, etc).
Yes. This is what all orthodox monks do, check their writings and you will find out that they give as examples "reincarnation", "yogic powers", etc. Reading Guenon would be enough to know that all of this things are occultist inventions and not actual eastern doctrines. The only thing which would be left for them to criticize is that attaining moksha is possible (which would translate as dissolving into God). But what is the logic for rejecting this one when they still believe in theosis, which implies a closeness to God in a deified way? Is literally the same path but you stop at that point because going a step further is evil somehow? Makes no sense to me.

>>19004124
>my book is true
>"prove it"
>it says so in the book
lmao

>>19005144
You will never be a woman.

>>19005555
True, since I have XY chromosomes. And you will never be in the kingdom of god because christianity is wrong kek

>>19003671
based

>>19003423
Why are you attacking the idea of conversion. Religious conversions have been a fundemental part of our existence from the beginning. What gives you the right to judge that every single one of the anons here must be insincere? Who are you? And why is it only the Orthodox you target?

>>19005620
>And why is it only the Orthodox you target?
It seems to be the new age christian version for americans

>>19005656
>Orthodox
>New Age
Words have meanings

>>19004353
>I also read somewhere that before he converted he said that he wanted to do for Chinese tradition what Guenon (PBUH) had done for Hindu tradition
I wonder what the quality of his works would be like if he went that direction. One of the great 'what ifs' of /lit/ I guess

>>19005620
>t.

>>19005963
meanings come from people, not words

>>19005620
>And why is it only the Orthodox you target?
Because the demon inciting him to make those posts is fine with you converting to any other religion, he gets you either way.

>>19003622
>How dare this Orthodox monk not believe in an eternal midget (pbuh) living inside a cave in Tibet reeeeeeeee

>>19004341
>Those are just words in a book,
No, those are words of a holy man inspired by God the Holy Spirit.
>prove that there are entities involved in those practices that are demons
Just read what prelest is and how their practices necessarily involve the Orthodox notion of pride instead of gaining humility. All "spiritual" practices lead to genuine encounters with demons if you are prideful (I AM GOD!!!) and not guarded by Christ.

>>19005584
>never be in the kingdom of god because christianity is wrong
What other religion has the notion of "kingdom of God"? I wouldn't want to be in any other religion's form of "heaven" since it's nothing but either gnostic hell where resurrection (and the body itself) is denied or coomer islamic "paradise" where you burn with the passions.

>>19006296
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CONVERT TO ANOTHER RELIGION NOOOOOOO YOU'RE JUST A CRINGE LARPER
You're a dumbass and you should feel bad about yourself. Yes, some online Orthobros are retards, but new people have always converted to the Church, how do you think it spread so much?

>>19004793
>not actual eastern doctrine
Aren't there whole schools in Hinduism which train you to have these "yogic powers"? If Advaita thinks less of them for not following the more "pure" path this doesn't make these doctrines not part of Hinduism somehow. Advaita doesn't have the monopoly on deciding what is true teaching in Hinduism, not that truth matters very much to them since they are more focused on practice.
>what is the logic for rejecting this one when they still believe in theosis
Because theosis is defined as participation in the divine uncreated energies of the incarnate Son of God. It's an eternal participation of your individual subject (body, soul and spirit) in the eternal glory and holiness of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no abstract impersonal God you dissolve into.
>Is literally the same path
Theosis requires being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and believing in Christ as incarnate Logos, without this there is no possibility of theosis. Surely no Hindu believes this is necessary for "moksha".

Have you guys considering buying a razor? Maybe people will stop calling you larpers :)

>>19007534
but I don't want to become female?

>>19007206
>eternal midget (pbuh) living inside a cave in Tibet
woah so based!

>>19007206
Elaborate

>>19007209
Prove that they are holy, inspired words.

I know what prelest is, but show where you are forced to have "pride over humility" in every non-Christian Orthodox tradition, and prove that this is connected with demonic entities (whose existence you have not yet proved or incontrovertible connected to the Christian idea thereof).

>>19007706
an underground world exists, its network branching
everywhere - underneath whole continents, even oceans - to
attain and maintain communication with all the regions of
this world

There is also, on more
particular points, the passage where the 'Lord of the World'
is depicted in front of his predecessor's tomb and where the
question is raised of the origin of the gypsies, 3 who are said
to have lived originally in Agarttha.

Saint-Yves writes that
there are moments during the subterranean celebration of the
'cosmic Mysteries' when desert travellers stop motionless and
even animals are silent; 4 Ossendowski assures us that he was
present himself at such a moment of universal contemplation.
Most important of all, both writers by strange coincidence tell
of an island - now vanished - inhabited by extraordinary men
and beasts.

agarttha, it is said, did not always exist underground,
and will not always remain so. A time will come when,
according to Ossendowski's report, 'the people of Agharti will
come out of their caves and appear on the surface of the
earth'. Before its disappearance from the visible world, the
centre bore another name since Agarttha", which means
'ungraspable' or 'inaccessible' (and also 'inviolable' as it is
Salem, the 'abode of peace'), would not yet have become
appropriate. Ossendowski dates its withdrawal underground
as 'more than six thousand years ago', which turns out,
given a reasonable approximation, to correspond to the
beginning of the Kali-Yuga or 'Black Age', the 'Iron Age' of
the ancient West, which is the last of the four periods into
which the Manvantara is divided.

>>19003412
>The Holy Bible is all you need.
We should tell this to the "apostate" holy apostles then.

>>19008410
This makes zero sense. If anything other than the Holy Bible was needed then it would have been put into the Holy Bible.

>>19008476
The Church decided what goes into. They drew up the canon for it. By accepting the Bible, you are by extension accepting the opinions and writings of the God inspired Fathers of the Church.

He will be a holy place;
for both Israel and Judah he will be
a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.
And for the people of Jerusalem he will be
a trap and a snare.

>>19008603
>The Church decided
So much pride. Wrong, God decided.

>>19008768
>Wrong
The Church is Christ's Body.

>>19008768
>the Holy Spirit guided the Church with the building of the canon
Yes

>>19008794
The true actual church is, to the degree that human fallibility doesn't get in the way yes, but not the Church™. The Church™ even put too many books in. The Holy Bible internally proves that God intended 66.

>>19008814
>internally proves
Then it "internally proves" Book of Enoch too.

>>19008814
>The true actual church is
What is the 'true actual church' if not what Christ established to have visible bounds and apostolic succession?

>>19008840
No it doesn't, quoting something doesn't make it Biblical canon, which would include Greek plays.
>>19008847
Those who truly love and follow Him.

>>19008967
>Those who truly love and follow Him.
Where does it say that this is the actual church? Who believed this in early Christianity?

>>19008603
How do you prove that they are inspired by God? What sets a God-inspired interpretation apart from an uninspired interpretation?

>>19009065
>t. hasn't grasped Paul's writings yet nor key things Jesus said
Read the Holy Bible moar.

>>19009076
Virtue. We are graced by God in the measure of our virtue. Grace is a fee gift bestowed upon the faithful. And the seeds of faith are proven by the virtuous fruits they bear (not to be confused with empty works of the law, which are profitless in and of themselves).

Neither the ante-nicenes, nicenes, nor the post-nicenes ever added or took away anything from the scriptures. They defended Biblical Christian doctrine, as outlined by the Gospel and apostolic teaching, from heresies that still persist to this day, and will persist until Christ returns. If you truly love God with all your heart, mind, and strength, you will not by no means disagree with guys like Chrysostom, Nazianzus, Athanasius and them. Or are you just condemning the early Church without investigating it, blindly following Reformist biases?

>>19002806
bump

>>19009787
2/3 of the visible adults there were homosexuals.

>>19009910
Do you ever get tired of spreading these lies or are you literally a demon?

>>19004025
Guenon's interpreation of Hinduism can hardly be called "orthodox".

>>19003862
It's unusually common. Hieromonk Damascene did the same, and it is apparently a stereotype among Orthos that tonsured readers were Taoists a few years before.

How much drama will the Orthodox community go through when that chick at Fordham drops her queer theory reading of him

>>19006345
Letters usually have concepts attached to them, when people speak of Orthodoxy they draw concept of Orthodoxy, that is unless word Orthodoxy side step into another concept arbitrarily for you and you rationalize it by making fake colloquialism case

>>19010246
Orthodoxy survived and evolved through much worse conditions, communistic totalitarianism, fascist occupation etc... Liberal retards are childs play.

>>19010246
The most stir it will cause will be a few small Orthodox sites writing an article on it and a day or two of discussion on Orthotwitter. Large parts of the Orthodox Church just came out of over 80 years worth of oppression and disinformation at the hands of communism, some fat retard's queer theory is not news.

>>19010246
when who does the what now?

>>19010360
Fordham University has an Orthodox Studies department that is noted for publishing books about feminist/LGBT/progressivism in Orthodox Christianity and running a zine called Public Orthodoxy that calls for liberalizing the religion. This causes a lot of internet drama because they are one of the most influential English language Orthodox academic institutions and makes them fear that cultural influence will make western Orthodoxy identical to western Catholicism and western Protestantism.

>>19010441
That's the purpose of the institution. Point is that Orthodoxy is like a virus to western society and it wants to defeat it.

>>19010441
The acceptance of heterodoxy nullifies orthodoxy. You can only be Orthodox by sticking to the ancient doctrines of the apostolic early Church. These infiltrator heathens can only attract non-christians. The Church of Christ isn’t going anywhere just a new spinoff of an old heresy attempts at sabotaging it.

I have been pulled towards Orthodoxy and pushed away off and on for nearly a year now. I am not sure what to do bros, some days I am enthusiastic and do some research and consider reaching out to a church, and others I get discouraged and think myself silly for even considering it in the first place.

I am reaching out to you as a guide, can I be accepted in the Orthodox church with an atheist wife?
I dont need convincing with regards to Prot and Catholic shortcomings, (sola scriptura/sola fide + the infallible pope respectively), but I need a push one way or the other... convert to Orthodoxy, or pursue other things.

Where to start?

>>19010685
Call no man Father.

>>19010685
Actually reach out to a church as the start. Talk to the priest there, even if you feel ashamed, silly, foolish.

>>19010685
All circumstance will be understood by God and the Church, including already having married an Athiest wife. Dont fear brother, just go visit a church and see for yourself.

>>19010685
Do what you want, don't expect fix in any area of your life, not even spiritual, without your investment and effort.

The passive aspect of Orthodoxy present in even less devout ones in Eastern Europe, yea... you will not get it.

If you think your being is on the right path to God, our lord Christ and your essence is fullfilled by adjective Orthodox Christian, then answer is obvious.

Just have realistic expectations.

>>19003967
>Father Rose addressed the most predominant Hindu and Buddhist movements of his day.
They literally aren't though, maybe among a large portion of western adherents who dont even follow orthodox/traditional forms of them, but those are not for the most part traditional representatives of those religions themselves, and they are not the predominant Hindu/Buddhist movements in Hindu and Buddhist countries.

The equivalent situation would be if the Dalai Lama wrote a book that dunked on Mormonism and Jehovahs Witnesses and then Tibetan Buddhists went around claimed he explained in the book why Christianity was wrong.

>>19010685
>consider reaching out to a church, and others I get discouraged and think myself silly for even considering it in the first place.
You have to participate in prayer in the Church if you want to understand and know internally that it is the correct path. A person can have multiple PhDs in theology and still effectively be an atheist, Orthodoxy isn't strictly about gaining knowledge detached from prayer and living the Christian life.
>can I be accepted in the Orthodox church with an atheist wife?
"For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy."
(1 Cor. 7:14)
>convert to Orthodoxy, or pursue other things.
If you care about salvation and eternal life then the choice is clear. You're at a fork where you need to make the correct decision and stick to it. I had a similar situation where I realized how my life will have to change if I sincerely start following Christ by going to church, this scared me but when I went to my first confession and communion I understood with all my being that there is no turning back. I'll pray for you, brother.

>>19007515
>Aren't there whole schools in Hinduism which train you to have these "yogic powers"
Yes, some fringe groups of tantrics/yogis do, but this doesn't even occur to any significant degree anymore like it once did in the medieval era, and the mainstream schools followed by millions of Hindus tend to look down on this stuff as distractions/deviations from the spiritual path, at least when pursued for their own sake. If it occurs accidentally without even one intending to, as a result of one's spiritual attainment or purity, then it's basically the equivalent of a miracle being associated with a monk or nun in Christianity. But the mainstream schools almost never say you should devote yourself to acquiring these things.
>not that truth matters very much to them since they are more focused on practice.
It's actually the opposite
>le dissolution meme that no eastern text actually teaches
lol
>Surely no Hindu believes this is necessary for "moksha".
No, but the Hindu scriptures say initiation or otherwise formal entry into a religious community is necessary, and multiple Vedanta schools say that faith is a necessary component too

>>19010846
>They literally aren't though
Westernized syncretic new-age meditation is more popular in the relevant geographic area than traditional advaita-vedanta.

>>19010907
>Westernized syncretic new-age meditation is more popular in the relevant geographic area than traditional advaita-vedanta.
The discussion isn't about Advaita alone but traditional Hinduism vs new-age spinoff cults. The latter actually is not more popular, because there are vastly more Indian Hindus following normal Hinduism in North America and Europe etc than there are white converts in the same location following Neo/Newage-Hinduism. I don't know if the same is true of Buddhism because there is a greater white Buddhist population in the west but it may be true that normal Buddhism is more popular too when one considers all the Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese etc immigrants in relation to the smaller amount of white converts.

>>19010904
>It's actually the opposite
You can have multiple schools with different contradicting "truths" but same general practice. Thus doesn't correct practice in two contradicting schools still "give" you "enligthenment" in the end even if you don't believe in the same underlying truth about reality?
>that no eastern text actually teaches
I was responding to that anon, not to their religious texts. Although I am interested to hear how the "enlightened" maintain their personhood when it is seen as an illusion. It still dissolves away because it is not seen as eternal and having a real subsistence.

>>19010948
>You can have multiple schools with different contradicting "truths" but same general practice. Thus doesn't correct practice in two contradicting schools still "give" you "enligthenment" in the end even if you don't believe in the same underlying truth about reality?
No, because the schools disagree with each other on what enlightenment is and school A may say the enlightenment of school B is actually a minor/intermediate realization on the path to real enlightenment or even that its actually a totally wrong and foolish notion.

>Although I am interested to hear how the "enlightened" maintain their personhood when it is seen as an illusion.
No school of Hinduism says the person dissolves, not even Advaita. Vishishtadvaitins believe the person goes to serve Vishnu in the Vaishnavite heaven Vaikuntha. Advaitins teach that the real person is the innermost consciousness consisting of immortal effulgent bliss-awareness, and that this continues forever. For Advaitins this is the person and the mind is the external individuality, which are like clothes that the person of Bliss-presence wears and discards. The person of the enlightened Advaitin retains these clothes when the physical body is alive, but just knows they are the person of Bliss and not the clothes; they correctly regard them as garments that they qua Person are associated with, when their physical body dies, the insentient 'clothes' don't continue and their Person, which is the timeless Person of God Himself, continues as it always has been. This isn't equivalent to one's person dissolving but rather involves the actualization of its latent or concealed immortality.
>but I dont agree this is what a person is
You wouldn't consider a person to be a person without sentience, an insentient person is an oxymoron; sentience or consciousness is the crucial ingredient without which nobody would be a person in the western sense, so what Advaitins regard as the person is actually the essence of what you regard as the person. You just consider additional things on top of this sentience to also be the person, while the Advaitins don't combine it with other things like the western conception does. What Advaitins regard as the person, you actually do too, you just group other things in with it too in addition to what you and Advaita both regard as the person.
>but its a dissolution then
if you were the sentience itself, and not the clothes temporarily associated with it, what (you) are is not actually dissolving

>>19010750
Having a pea brain is required in Protestantism

>>19011253
I genuinely fail to comprehend why anyone would be a protestant.
Even newagers I understand more.

>>19011253
>calls religious leaders Father after Jesus instructs not to in a rant specifically against religious leaders
>calls others pea brains

>>19011730
>I genuinely fail to comprehend
To be expected from someone who allowed themselves to be deceived into praying to anyone other than God.

>>19011730
Eh, highly anticlerical, individualistic, eager to overthrow the oppressive dogmatism and recover the authentic original spirituality- newagers are just protestants dialed up to a higher intensity arent they?

>>19011934
Interesting that you choose "oppressive" rather than "obviously made up heretical bullshit dogmas".

>>19007881
What's some decent non-sensational King of the World reading? I'm writing an RPG where he's ultimately who the character's are lead to deal with.

>>19013326
Just use Guenon's alone writing to make the maximum artistic epic RPG.

>>19012045
>Interesting
Is it though?

>>19014281
Lol that's mostly been my approach so far at least for the deep lore/metaphysics. I've been hesitant to try reading King of the World though since I've only read a couple of his symbolism essays and have yet to tough it through his metaphysical trilogy.

>>19002806
>Heterodoxy and the Religion of the Past

>>19010246
>be a part of a religion that's all about strict adherence to tradition and rejection of heterodoxy
>spend all your time arguing for women priests and transgender nuns
Why not just become a spirit of Vatican II Catholic or Methodist at that point? Makes no sense.

>>19015136
Everything must be corrupted

>>19015136
> Vatican II Catholic or Methodist
The demons are already leading them into damnation so not much work is needed on their part. It's a bigger victory for the devil to lead away the Orthodox, this is why you see people trying to merge these incompatibles together.

>>19013326
Don't bother. Mage: The Ascension already has the perfect Trad setting.

>>19003967
To be honest, most of the time you see Christians still cherry picking other religions. Of course most other religions do the same to Christianity.

>>19016080
>Satan already has them because the earthly institution they go to holds some wrong doctrines
>Satan has to work extra hard on our earthly institution because we are the one true true Church™ with nothing but the right doctrines
Looks like he's got you pretty good already just on pride, even aside from the Mary, "saints", and wafer worship. So much idolatry, even idolizing the Church™ institution itself.

>>19010685
Go for it anon, go to Orthodox church and talk to a priest. What you are feeling is what everyone feels at the beginning. If it sits with you well, convert. If you feel like you've made a mistake, you can just stop. Christianity is not like Islam or mystery cults, no one will harm you for leaving. There's nothing to be afraid of.

>>19016207
I'm already using Delta Green and it's set in the 2000s, this other system does look interesting though, closer to how I'd like 'magic' to work in the campaign. Again I'm using Guenon for some of the "deep lore" and metaphysics.

>>19016618
>earthly institution
>blaspheming Christ's Body as an "earthly institution" which can have "wrong doctrines"
Very cringe.

>>19016618
>"saints"
You deny the existence of saints?

>>19016738
>blaspheming the earthly institution as being Christ's body
>>19016745
No, I deny humans having the ability to accurately determine who is and is not one to any degree of officiality.

>>19003622
To be fair, Eugene Rose was a homosexual prostitute who took up LARPing as Eastern Orthodox after he met Mary in the desert while tripping on cheap psychedelics. He's accurately relaying his understanding of religions other than Low Church Protestantism exactly as you would expect a Low Church Protestant to.

>>19003423
only one of these things is bad at all. haters will seethe

>>19016933
> lives in literal hermitage for years
> LARPing
To be fair, you are a homosexual prostitute as well

>>19017113
I'm sorry anon, but you believe that you're not allowed to leave the religion that you were born into.

>>19017132
I do not.

You goys are falling for pathetic bait here

>>19011730
>I genuinely fail to comprehend why anyone would be a protestant
No one remains prot after getting to know the patristics

>>19017099
Yeah, the "Orthodox" part

>>19010132
Strange words for you to speak, who believes everyone who is not a particular, pious subset of Orthodoxy (which is only 5% of the global population) is demonized or deluded. Of course, this is hidden behind all sorts of useful caveats such as "we do not know who is going to Hell," but of course we have an inkling, and that's enough.

>>19018444
Nice trips, but non Orthodox are deluded. It's the only denomination of Christianity that makes any sense historically and theologically. Now, if you want to argue Christianity vs other world views, that's a far more interesting conversation.

>>19018485
It making sense is not a guarantee of its truth; there are many delusions that "make sense" or are historically defensible (whatever that is supposed to mean; are you referring to forgeries?).

>>19018494
I mean that what could be called "Orthodox" Christianity has always existed. There have always been Christians that believed in the Real Presence, there have always been Christians that believed in Apostolic Succession. It is not the case that Catholic or Protestant theology has always existed. This is especially true for Protestant theology. What then can he said of Jesus Christ's own prophecy that the gates of Hades would not prevail against the Church?

>>19018485
>calling religious leaders "Father" after Jesus specified not to and praying to beings other than God makes sense
Prelest

>>19018522
He also says not to call any man Teacher.. read the whole passage. He's specifically addressing something

>>19005620
>orthodox thread
>WHY ARE YOU ONLY ATTACKING THE ORTHODOX????
it must be hard being so stupid

>>19018444
>we do not know who is going to Hell,
This is cringe and condemned. All non-baptized non-orthodox are 100% guaranteed to go to hell.

>>19018543
>He's specifically addressing something
Yes, religious leaders. Interestingly enough, Orthodox use literal Pharisee costumes.

>>19018516
Depends on how you define "prevail" and "church" but these will always be redefined to fulfill the prophecy, which is not a proof in itself (it could be a coincidence or it could be fulfilled for a different reason, depending on which deities or "higher powers" exist or do not exist).

>>19018564
At least you are honesty enough to make God's judgement for Him. It's not the first time you put words in His mouth

>>19018579
>noooo it was a metaphor! it was purely figurative when He said you need to born of the spirit and eat His flesh!

>everyone I don’t like is satanic or an actual demon
woah........such insight........

>>19018596
>>everyone I don’t like is satanic or an actual demon

>>19018615
>t. satan
you shall not deceive me

>>19018615
>all visions, dreams, dogmas, churches, saints and miracles are satanic

This is a sad thread. Jesus Christ loves you. Stop coming to this hell hole

>>19018661
>God 4chan sucks so much I hate it here you’re all so evil
>leave? why would I do that?
shut up faggot either leave or stop whining this is nothing new

>>19004793
Why do you care about what Guenon has to say when historically and contemporaneously Hindus and Buddhists attest to reincarnation and yogic powers? You could say that age-old stories of Padmasambhava and Mahavatar Babaji are straying from the true tradition and that Guenon knows the undiluted tradition instead, but why would you? Why put this modern frenchman above the word of yogis who have received direct teachings from masters and claim to uphold that lineage? These yogis, by the way, are abundant in history and modernity.

>>19002806
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