/lit/ - Literature

>>18967897
No, I'd recommend you stick with Hellenistic philosophy, and don't waste your time with retardation like Marxism, Anarchism or Fascism.

>>18967897
Skip it and go to egoism. Move on to fascism. Ignore retard above me.

>>18967903
Fascism doesn't interest me, my flirting with Marxism didn't end well, but I want to give anarchism a shot, so I could at least understand it more deeply and gain substantive knowledge on the topic.

>>18967912
>Move on to fascism
I reject both socialism and fascism, read Danilo Kiš.

>>18967913
You're wasting your time. You need to stop searching for some trendy political label you can call yourself, and focus on your own life.

>>18967919
You misunderstand my interest in anarchism as a mere political fad, instead of being intellectually curious to know more about something that appeals to the Nietzchean in me.

>>18967913
Anarchism stems from weakness, correct in it's assertions that being imposed upon is bad- but incorrect in it's calls for freedom for all individuals and thus denying higher beings from acting on their will to power.
>>18967915
So you do an objective downgrade to anarchism?
>Danilo Kiš.
What does he say that's worth reading into?
>that appeals to the Nietzchean in me.
Nietzsche railed against anarchism

>>18967923
Nietzsche literally rejected anarchism, so, I already you're full of shit. Find a better hobby too, because Nietzsche hated politics. Do some art, make some poetry, do something with your life that's resourceful

>>18967926
>Nietzsche railed against anarchism
Not really, Übermensch is an aristocrat and an anarchist and it seems to fall in line with his opinions on the State and generally with his individuality oriented philosophy.

>What does he say that's worth reading into?
He gave a great analysis of both fascist and communist totalitarian regimes and their death camps for one.

>objective downgrade
Fascism is for weaklings.

>>18967932
Nah uh.

>>18967932
>Nietzsche hated politics
That was mass politics he hated. His political views are no mystery and he wouldn't shit on anyone asserting their will politically. Quite the opposite in fact.
>>18967939
You are an idiot. I won't be responding to you any longer.

>>18967942
>You are an idiot. I won't be responding to you any longer.
Those are the words of a LOSER!

>>18967897
No, it is utopian and most anarchists today are insufferable sanctimonious wokesters. Just read some authors like Emma Goldman and be done with it.

>>18967897
Yeah

its good for LARPing and virtue signalling but it has no real world application

>>18967897
Yeah. It’s varied and complex, just like the natural world.
>>18967932
Nietzsche describes his Übermensch as a cross between an anarchist and an aristocratic. He was dreaming of a possible stage of life far off.

>>18968724
>Marx
>refutation

Ooferino.

>>18967897
Only thing about Bakunin that’s interesting is his Jew hatred

>>18968980
Not his hatred of authoritarian centralists?
You’re like those people that vote for a candidate because they promise to legalize weed

>>18967939
>Whom do I hate most heartily among the rabbles of today? The rabble of Socialists, the apostles to the Chandala, who undermine the workingman’s instincts, his pleasure, his feeling of contentment with his petty existence – who make him envious and teach him revenge… Wrong never lies in unequal rights; it lies in the assertion of “equal” rights… What is bad? But I have already answered: all that proceeds from weakness, from envy, from revenge. The anarchist and the Christian have the same ancestry

>>18967897
no. i got into it and now i live in the woods with my wife on 11 arcres. definitely not worth it

>>18969095
>who make him envious and teach him revenge
kek
Imagine thinking "revenge" is something you "teach"

>I want to have more and be strong because... I just do, okay?
The Ubermensch
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>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T WANT TO HAVE MORE AND BE STRONG, BECAUSE... YOU JUST CAN'T, OK?
Also the Ubermensch

ngmi

>>18969095
1. Christian anarchists are just one sort.
2. Never make anyone your guru

Bakunin is one of the few political thinker I actually have respect. Still never gonna read him though.

>>18969116
lol found the chandala

>>18969126
I dont really even like Nietzsche(he is fun to read though) I just cannot understand how socialists attempt to praise someone who said things like that

>>18969126
>without taking power
What if I WANT to become dictator. Ugh what a lame book.

You better become my friend after I become one Butters.

>>18969145
I just said. This guy appeals to the individualists, but in the meantime, we have to organize a resistance to a system that will see go extinct

>>18967915
Any recs from him on this subject?

>>18969161
You WILL become my friend Butters.

Yes, it’s the only 19th/early 20th century ideology that legit hasn’t been tried yet.

>>18967897
Not until you start with the Greeks. Then you will quickly see that the anarchists are either immature idiots or unhinged savages, both evading their political duties to their compatriots while fleecing the benefits.
A commune of anarchists with political virtue is indistinguishable from a virtuous state. A commune of anarchists without virtue is a bucket of spiders.

>>18969177
Here’s a book of his.

>>18969230
stahp ignoring moi

>>18968724
lol

>>18969016
>authoritarian centralists
so... jews?

>>18969095
absolute cucked mindset

>>18968926
>a cross between an anarchist and an aristocratic.
sounds like he was dreaming of a libertarian businessman

>>18969295
And, you know, fascists, liberals or any sort of statist.

>>18969320
That is a liberals dream

>>18969144
The what

>>18969396

>>18969425
An autonomous community is too complex for the bubbas.
Sad really.

>>18969473
Would you consider the regency of carnaro an "autonomous community"?

there's not much point
t. anarchist

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cBojbjoMttI

>>18969534
>FUCK THE STATE
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
https://youtu.be/mGjRGHVEpac

>>18968956
Yes the refutations of his work are in the graph.

>>18969559
>hot girls are dumb
Whoa...

RENDER UNTO CAESAR

I interpret this as a justification for extreme apoliticalism, so radically apolitical it becomes slightly anarchist.

>>18969673
>No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
>Matthew 6:24
You can either serve God (Anarchy) or Caesar (Government) ;)

>>18969730
Reminder that if you’re American your tax dollars go directly to funding abortion

>>18969730
How is giving your money to Caesar serving either Mammon or Caesar? He literally tells you to be poor lol

>>18969764
And the problem with that is...?

>>18969730
A fucking count. Were "the association of men who do violence to count Leo Tolstoy" take a break at him personally, his own peasants would have murderfucked him that very day. The very first champagne anarchist, troons and gents, the very first.
The police and the state collapsed by November 1917, how did that work out for 10 million dead of famine and disease and 2 million by warfare and terror by 1921.

>>18969534
Who even cares about this guys nowadays. For sure not anarchists

>>18969846
What are you talking about? Anarchists love Manufacturing Consent and all of that.

>>18969833
>champagne anarchist
???

>>18968724
>ancap
>anarchist

>>18969764
Yeah, is terrible.

>>18969895
This is a LARPing count! He never abandoned his estate, but liked to pretend to. A fucking imperial count with a fucking estate.
War and Peace gave him 25 000 rubles as a lump sum (10% royalty not included), he used them to buy 40 square KILOMETERS of land IN ADDITION to his already large estate. For Anna Karenina he bought a fucking forest in Ryazan Governorate, an house in Moscow and left about 3000 rubles for spare change. 3000 rubles in late XIX century are 84 kilograms of silver, or meagre 64 000 USD by modern prices of "spare change". That is a leftover from 20 000 rubles for Anna Karenina, a lump sum of 560 kilograms of silver. Half a fucking ton, or ~433 000 modern dollars in modern prices.
War and Peace gave him well over half a million dollars in modern silver prices that he used to cover one of his current land acquisitions, since his total estate was in tens of millions of modern USD at a minimum.
Russian silver ruble was 28 grams of silver, US silver dollar of late XIX century was ~27 grams of silver.
Silver dollars were minted in the US until 1904, so by using this link https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1904?amount=1 you can see that 1 silver USD from 1904 is worth 30 dollars 67 cents now. Adjusting for silver content you get 31 modern dollars 80 cents for 1 silver ruble, so his payment for just handing over War and Peace manuscript was 795 000 dollars, again 10% from sales not included. Damn, silver kinda lost 15% its price or so in a hundred years.
He used it cover his current debt for buying 40 square kilometers of land. Writing was NOT his main income source or, God forbid, work.

The LARPing count you post is NOT poor. He can buy out your net worth probably five to ten times with his SPARE CHANGE. His "anarchism" is an upper class prestige belief, one you could NOT afford in a country infested with murderous nihilists to become commies, as described by Dostoyevsky in Demons. This is like proclaiming Black Lives Matter while living in a luxurious gated community of multimillionaires.

>>18970064
>This is like proclaiming Black Lives Matter while living in a luxurious gated community of multimillionaires.
The main difference here is that he was literally surrounded by peasants.

>Were "the association of men who do violence to count Leo Tolstoy" take a break at him personally, his own peasants would have murderfucked him that very day.
They could have murdered him every day, they never did.

>rubles dollars spare change
He renounced copyrights and signed everything to his family, never wanting to touch money again. Sure, you can call it a larp, would you do the same? Working in the fields and teaching russian peasants how to read?

>>18969910
Certainly. Like those red Indians, Cossacks, pirates or American revolutionaries who were joining their temporary leaders with limited powers for hunting or warring expeditions.

>>18970152
>The main difference here is that he was literally surrounded by peasants.
Except those peasants would get Cossack'd at a moment's notice.
>They could have murdered him every day, they never did.
>would get Cossack'd at a moment's notice
Need I remind you what they did to the aristocracy in 1917-21?

>He renounced copyrights
>XIX and early XX century
>copyrights
You mean his book sales royalty? His average yearly income from theatre plays was around 1000 rubles a year average, or ~32k USD yearly of passive income. Also a personal fund of 2000 rubles he kept "just in case", again 64k dollars of "spare change".
Some bum. You could probably quadruple this sum for his yearly book sales royalty.
Nothing fucking changes, multimillionaires pretending to be bums for safety and cheap moralizing points (they don't actually risk anything at any time).

>and signed everything to his family
Including that meagre plot of land the size of Manhattan island he bought for War and Peace advance, yes. Gave to his wife, as if your own wife is an alien nobody. Instead of basically his estate manager since forever, because Tolstoy's management skills were abysmal.
His net worth was around 550 000 rubles, or around 18 million dollars.

>>18970064
All this writing just for a commie to say that prosperity bad and everybody should be poor.

>>18970444
>tolstoj is a commie!
???
>that prosperity bad and everybody should be poor.
???

>>18969396
Did you ever read his follow up book Against the Grain?

>>18967897
Bakunin is worth the read because of his criticism (much like Marx) of the fact that classes of people recognize their shared interest and begin to work together to protect that shared interest against those outside their class. For Bakunin, this was "priest" classes which also include academics, etc. whereas for Marx is was more economic-based.

>>18967939
>Not really, Übermensch is an aristocrat and an anarchist and it seems to fall in line with his opinions on the State and generally with his individuality oriented philosophy.

Get out of 4chan and go read Twilight of the Idols. And don’t forget your meds