/lit/ - Literature

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>>18889477
I read mostly because I like writing.

>>18889487
do you write for fun or are you hoping to get published?

i don't write at all. do you think somebody who reads a lot should try it?

i feel like it's a waste of time. people out there much more qualified to write still pump out garbage, and i'm not delusional enough to think i (zero education) could do better.

>>18889477
>enlightenment
I mostly read just to be here anon. Any other form of media doesn't let me think. While I read I can actually feel my mind doing stuff, i.e. remembering stuff, thinking about random things, and generally being conscious. I honestly read just to get time to let my mind meandering off stuff for a while, because I noticed that between phone, television, internet, computer and work I am basically not thinking.

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>>18889477
Flashcards. This way I never forget and in a few years I will have the biggest brain on Earth.

>>18889526
Lol i just made that, didn't even know an original version exists

>>18889534
i have one more.

kanji flashcards on Anki.

>>18889526
Wtf 2 suns

>>18889477
>the measure of a successful person or life is in his achievements
Very ignorant and short-sighted conclusion as you seem to measure achievements as valuable in the sense of what is socially preconceived as "valuable" - and that could be for instance being rich. Or inventing something new that can have disastrous consequences on yourself and the human race. Are these achievements good? Everything you do has a price, so what prices do you want to pay for your actions, or achievements? You can only know this through thinking.

I can't speak for everyone, but I read in order to better understand the world, my relation in it, but most of all, in order to become a better, clearer thinker. Asking questions, then reading and thinking about them results in you getting to know yourself better, which then will result in you understanding what it is your REALLY want from life (this duffers from individual to individual). Think of Plato's allegory of the cave in which you see your Self as the shadows, but your true Self is hidden behind layers of what you thought was reality. Reading penetrates these layers

Becoming a better thinking makes life easier and you can relate your place in it in a more deep and authentic manner.

That's just me though, some people here are pseuds though. Reading for the sake of reading or to appear smart and learned is just pseud shit and is most likely more damaging that good, but probably better than being addicted to Fortnite or being a full time coomer.

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>>18889540
I'm afraid of becoming an Ankier who just turns everything he reads into cards and doesn't bother thinking. Everything just becomes an exercise in memorising shit.

>>18889539
We need to push it further

>>18889490
I write because there's something in my head that must get out. I would like to get published and make some scratch, but this turd is wiggling out of my ass regardless of if I can market it or not

>>18889529
How do you use flashcards? Feels to bothersome to me and more interrupting than anything. How do you make the process easy? >>18889534

>>18889556
achievements are subjective. we feel reward in having achieved something that we consider challenging or difficult, whatever that might be. but the fact that you interpreted this as meaning money or material things or status or some other bullshit is something you want to think about. most people have moved past wanting to meet "socially preconceived" targets.

>>18889562
I get it out by posting here. Also agree with this >>18889498 in that when I'm not reading or thinking about something I've read I'm really just wasting time.

>>18889556
I think this is all bullshit. Everyone is signalling at every moment, no one does anything for any reason other. This whole world is full of frauds who will never admit this, probably because they lack the capacity to even recognise it in themselves. Perhaps in more intelligent people the signals are more subtle, more clever, regardless it all stems from the same contrasting of the self against the other. Nobody does anything for any reason other than this. You're lying to yourself.

>>18889604
not that guy but there is nothing wrong with doing stuff 'for other people'. we're not lone wolves - part of human nature is being around others and feeling a sense of community.

the whole 'i do it for myself' thing is something that teenagers tell you, despite it being very obvious that they're posturing.

>>18889542
The true sun is the upper one.

>>18889477
You don't do it for some external achievement. You do it because it enriches your inner life, adds extra dimensions and colors to your experiences, makes life more interesting. If that hasn't been your experience maybe try reading in a different way or finding better books.

>>18889477
>hundreds of books
A feat that can be achieved in a couple of years was supposed to turn you into a superhero? Read the wrong books.

>>18889604
If a person does something from a purely utilitarian or self-satisfying position, it will be interpreted as a signal by others who are themselves living in a world of signals. But that person isn't signalling from his own position you see?

>>18889557
I use flashcards to maintain my understanding, not to cram random shit. So I'm not learning unrelated facts; I filter out trivia and leave only facts of high applicability; I make sure I have a strong mental model of a topic before I attempt memorization; I periodically walk though specific topics to make sure the connections are still there; when I forget something, I try to identify the reason: what related facts are also gone? Can I recreate the big picture?
But again: flashcards are maintenance and must be preceded by a solid effort to understand. In any case, it is my side-project and the reviews don't take that much time if managed right. Learning a piece of information for years takes no more than a minute or two if the repetitions are well-distributed. For that reason I use paper and pen instead of anki, which makes the repetitions way too frequent and thus inefficient.

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>>18889609
>the whole 'i do it for myself' thing is something that teenagers tell you, despite it being very obvious that they're posturing
What is physiological egoism, will to power etc? Sterner's and Nietzsche's philosophy is convincing; we do "good" to others for the sake of our own ego. I'd say people who do good deeds to others out of "altruism", and not for themselves are the ones lying to themselves, not the other way around

>>18889678
>Read the wrong books.
yes you have. if you've read hundreds of books over a couple of years you're definitely reading worthless stuff or skimming. redditors do this to pad their goodread stats.
understanding a real book without fluff takes weeks/months. sometimes even years.

>>18889701
Typical of someone in their late teens to early twenties to not understand altruism and think it must be an act. It's due to your brain not being fully developed yet. Give it a few years.

>>18889698
so there's no difference between books and books+money.

>>18889706
Lol, no. Maybe if you are a distracted zoolennial with anxiety issues, but I thought they gave you kids xanax for that?

>>18889691
>flashcards are maintenance and must be preceded by a solid effort to understand
Yeah the problem is most people I see using spaced repetition (especially students) think that the memorisation part IS the learning activity. I've witnessed people literally pasting stuff out of textbooks right into Anki without even bothering to read it properly.
But you're clearly not making this mistake.

>>18889708
Good argument there, boomer. Are you calling Nietzsche and Sterner teens?

Give one good argument for altruism being real

>>18889701
If you were truly doing things for yourself you wouldn't feel the need to justify them to others. And I very skeptical of people who dye their hair green and tell me they don't care about others' opinions

>>18889712
okay i'll let you spout more topical catchphrases (must admit it's pretty ironic calling me a zoomer then acting like one)

>>18889723
>Are you calling Nietzsche and Sterner teens?
Lol, yes, not only that they got stuck developmentally because of trauma, they are both mentally ill people and hardly an argument in your favor.

Go out into the real world and really look at people who help. You won't be able to do it without flinching little boy, but you may learn something yet.

>>18889724
Yes I agree with that, there are many "spooks" of the mind you must rid yourself from in order to truly free, which is impossible for teenagers and degenerates

>>18889701
I don't really care about ultimate intentions. It's the same thing with free will: it doesn't matter if I can ultimately demonstrate it exists because I'm fine just assuming it does. Likewise I'm fine assuming an altruistic act is ultimately a charitable act rather than assuming an ulterior motive.

>>18889730
So a millennial, I see. And a poor victim of catchphrases, how fitting xD now take a few years to understand your entry level philosophy books.

>>18889708
This shitpost has some truth to it. Young people are obsessed with themselves and their in-group.

>>18889709
Bros...

>>18889565
I think it's greatly about building a habit. For details see >>18889691. You can also google "20 rules of knowledge formulation", which will probably serve you better than my rambling as my work-flow is still work-in-progress. I think though that one thing people get wrong which makes it burdensome to learn this way is that they overdo details. For example, if you want to learn when some historical event took place you often don't need to be exact up to the year. The decade works just fine, is more meaningful to you and reduces the cognitive load. It really isn't about learning a bunch of details but about getting down these salient facts that makes forming connections between them possible.

>>18889739
>go out into the world and look at people who help without flinching
Is this your best argument? Kek. I am easily persuades since the idealism of altruism is a comfortable thought, but you're making it hard for me gramps

>>18889752
>now take a few years to understand your entry level philosophy books.
unironically YES. i'll will spend years studying plato's republic, an "entry level" book as you call it. at least I know i'll truly understand it.

>>18889753
Nothing about that post was shit.

I mostly read nonfiction. I want to go back to school and get my PhD, so a lot of it is really niche and directly applicable to what I want to research. Hopefully someday I’ll be able to use it.

>>18889760
>spend years studying plato's republic
Based. Don't listen to that skimmer he will end up with superficial understanding of everything and become another Jack of all trades.

>>18889756
You have nothing going for you but smug self satisfaction. That as well is a sign of a late teens early twenties underdeveloped mind. You will have it difficult.

>>18889760
So you are saying op should be enlightened after having read hundreds of books?

>>18889749
Free will doesn’t real, read Skinner. Science and philosophy are contingent on a rationally ordered universe and, if true, that precludes the possibility of free will without relying on a supernatural explanation.

>>18889782
I doubt you've even read the basics writings on free will. Most proponents of free will assume an ordered, deterministic universe. Not here to have that discussion again.

>>18889771
You're the one judging me out of self satisfaction and are just shitposting. Go to bed Loki

>>18889791
>Loki
This is what you get having a conversation with a teenager

>>18889787
I don’t read metaphysics you loser. You either believe that human behavior can be explained scientifically or you don’t. Human behavior is governed by the brain and by logical principles of behavior. People don’t do things for random reasons.

>>18889557
It all depends on how you use it. There is stuff that just has to be memorized raw, sure, but for other things SRS can actually become a help to improved reasoning.

Take mathematical proofs. When I first add one, I simply try to reconstruct the proof as given in the book. This takes a lot of time. As the card keeps on showing, I start to get a better and better understanding of the logic behind the proof, and can often group a whole sequence of steps inside one single concept or principle.

>>18889853
>I don’t read metaphysics
I know you don't, but feel qualified enough to assert statements of metaphysics. AND you tell me to read some dated discredited author as though that's where the answers are. Who the fuck is behind these posts lmao

>>18889483
This one is fucking shit. It's something that banksy would do. I fucking hate it. >>18889477 is correct and not even that, since any books won't work. The guy getting over the wall should be climbing the wall with his teeth and bloody hands.

>>18889559
last guy should be hanging himself from the bile of books

>>18889542
the earth is flat so it makes sense there be a need for 2 suns