/lit/ - Literature

I agree, pictures stand out more than dialogue, if I wanted deep narrative I would read a book. With film, less is always more when it comes to script.

>>18857780
He's right. Film is an artform onto itself.

He's not wrong. I hate the fact that most directors to-day are unable to tell a story using pictures, rather than to just have characters standing around talking.

>>18857780
In an alternative timeline he's complaining about how cinema is "always going back to the gallery" for content.

>>18857798
There's no universe where Greenaway would complain about such a thing

>>18857780
Cumtown

>>18857856
<sleepycabin

Cinema isn't image or painting though, it's cinema. The Baby of Mâcon is exhausting to watch because the spectacular, shifting surfaces are shifting into nothing, without the sureness of image or the fluid wholeness of cinema. Trying to make a moving, talking painting that involves and implicated the viewer is ambitious but to me it didn't work. The character is replaced by golem-like abstractions. I'm willing to watch some of his other work though.

>>18857872
>The Baby of Mâcon is exhausting to watch
stopped reading there

No.
People do not care about that. They want to chill for 2 hours with some story on the screen, a time when they do not have to think or do anything, just sit and look at the screen consuming how a cool badass John Wick fights some retards because they killed his dog. Entertainment. It's about entertainment. In this retarded world you need an entertainment, escapism, to not drown in dissatisfaction -- because we turned our civilisation into THIS. And we do not have great local communities, sense, meaning anymore. Just go work, go home and watch some movie to not think about killing yourself. God I hate this world so much it's unreal.

>>18857780
I endorse this sentiment 100%. Screenwriters and "critics", aka trade journalists have a major circlejerking scam going on, and it must end.

>>18857878
Yes, that's nice but there is actually a story considering that we're watching a staging and watching of a play. The characters and the smuttiness are cretinous and striking but the implication of the viewer at the end for being fixated by these qualities feels hollow as we are given nothing else as we patiently watch. The characters are not actually actors, they are roles, except apparently for the victim at the end. It feels like he just doesn't know how to write a film.

>>18857780
He's so based
>>18857798
How to show you know nothing about Greenaway in one sentence
>>18857917
Ultimate consoomer scum. Embrace confrontational art you pussy.

>>18857780
I agree. However, I think they should make more play adaptations to movies, or should I say, play recordings, as well. It's sad to see that not even all of Shakespeare's plays have film versions, having more plays and operas adapted to the screen would be an awesome way to record them for posterity, and it would be great to get people into plays, as not every big city has a theatre with good companies, and those who have generally prefer giving space to new productions rather than the classics (and they are quite right in doing so, I believe). I mean, it's also a great form of expression, as I would argue that some directors, like Bergman, fit more into theatre than cinema. So let the writers write for plays, like they have been doing since forever, and let the old theatre be the vanguard for the new productions. Also, the cinematographers should have their way, creating their art with visuals and sound, with no need for anything else.

>>18857780

I mean the MCU seems pretty "image based" to me
At the end of the day true artists and creatives will end up choosing to tell their story in whichever way they think is the most effective
Trying to overthrow the plebian majority through an obsession with images is about as sane as trying to wash your windows with a carton of eggs

>>18858206
it isn't, all of the story is told through dialogue. if you watched an MCU movie on mute it would be difficult to figure out what was going on

Screenwriters are fine. "Aspiring screenwriters" should be turned into mulch.

>>18857780
Based. /tv/ on suicide watch

>>18858908
They loved Greenaway a few years ago. Wonder how they're doing now.

>>18858946
>Wonder how they're doing now.
Blacked and Tranny threads non-stop.

>>18857780
It’s a shame that even though they’re nice to look at, most of his movies are boring as hell.

>>18857780
Just a cope. Most directors are shit writers, so it's natural the ones who're aware they can't write (like Greenaway, Malick, Wong Kar-Wai, Lynch, Jarmusch etc.) gravitate away from it, but then you got great writers like Etore Scola and you'd be fucking kidding yourself if you think some anglo fuck like Greenaway will make anything remotely comparable.

>>18859936
kek, /tv/ is like an army of incels and trannies battling it out in Troy. The fabled culture wars of 2021