/lit/ - Literature

>>18829460
Because the majority of this board is larpers

>>18829466
Not really

>>18829460
faggots eternally mad at their parents for making them wake up early on Sundays to go to church

>MATTER IS... LE EVIL!!!
Truly insightful

>>18829460
/lit/ and /x/ are 120+ IQ, of course we aren't going to fall for the basic bitch plebeian christcuckery

>>18829460
I haven't been here in fucking years. Recently started to lurk again. Disappointed in the lack of stoic related threads.

>>18829460
This website in general is full of neet losers who hate the world so it's not surprising they'd be attracted to gnosticism.

Christianity but exotic and fringe. Same reason some westerners are drawn towards eastern religions like Buddhism, they are bored out of regular old Christianity from being exposed to it too much, and at the same time they want out of our soulless secular society.

>>18829731
Everyone turned on the stoics because /fit/ likes it and it became the official self-help pop philosophy. I don't share this opinion, it's just what happened here.

>>18829728
>/lit/ and /x/ are 120+ IQ
The majority (espcially /x/) are 90-110 IQ at best lol

>>18829460
Screw gnosticism, I wonder how many actual demon worshippers there are on this board.

>>18829460
Have you read the OT? Yahweh is a huge cunt.

>>18829884
damn.. fit became higher iq than lit. never thought that would happen

>>18829460
Remember nu-atheism? Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc. This is the new /lit/ version of that. Once the novelty wears off they'll soon abandon their heretical beliefs.

>>18830069
Says the Catholic.

>>18830084
Yes.

>>18830084
No, I'm more of a pantheist. Not part of any particular religion.

>>18829460
>bad takes on christianity combined with bad takes on neoplatonism
Yeah I don’t understand it either

>>18829460
misanthropic shutins don’t want to consider the possibility that they are responsible for their own shut ins, no no the problem is that the world is EVIL

>no you are le... teenager!!
Scintillating

>>18830096
yeah well your last sentence really makes no sense outside of a religious context

>>18829460
It’s gay and this board is full of fags who like gay shit

>>18829894
iq is a meme

>>18830263
and by this I mean people always assume bigger number better
the closer you can get to a mongolian based retard chad, the better

>>18829731
>Disappointed
That's not very stoic of you.

>>18829460
popular thing bad
obscure thing good

>>18830127
It only makes sense outside of a religious context.

>>18829460
Shin Megami Tensei

>>18829460
I want to kill the gnostics

>>18830363
good

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I was into Gnosticism like 10 years ago before it was cool and now I'm afraid this board is going to make it cringe.

>>18830357
The Taoists are the best route in those games.

>>18830285
lel

>>18829460
Because gnosticism is platonism for mentally retarded people. Gnostic larpers should do as that jew dog Agustinas said: kill themselves.

>>18829460
>Why is gnosticism so popular on this board?
because it sucks. Gnostics are just like stirnerites: a sect for disable people.

>>18829460
>Why is gnosticism so popular on this board? I don't get it.
its okay they make reality tv shows for your type

>>18829919
You are simply very retarded

>>18831347
Isaiah 45:7, Matthew 7:18.

>>18831220
The Apocryphon of John was widely read in the late Hellenic world

>>18831196
Gnostics radicalize Plato's repressed Orphic dualisms. Philo hardly represents a "subversion" of Platonism

>>18829911
all electronics are demons.
best start believing in demon worshippers.
you are one.

>>18829460
Gnosticism is schizo conspiracy theories: the religion. It's literally a conspiracy theory about fucking GOD, the entire universe we live in, material reality itself, is a sort of cosmic Jewish trick. Nobody ever tell /pol/ about this concept

>>18831446
Nah brah, it isn't that gnosticism is conspiratorial, it's that conspiracy is gnostic. Gnosticism is the ontological conspiracy par excellence.

Inability to follow a creed that openly states what it stands for. So instead people engage in childish "hidden knowledge" and magical thinking. It's a clear sign of degeneracy.

>>18829460
Gnosticism is peak midwittery in spiritual form.

>>18831495
Dogmatism is for children.

>>18831577
No.

>>18829460
It makes sense to me. A couple months ago I set out to find a religious mindset that would grant me salvation by all faiths. Gnosticism is it. Faith in Christ, relative asceticism, striving towards nirvana (Gnosis). I am further genuinely convinced that it is the primordial form not just of Christianity, but of all religion. When man diverged from chimp or bonobo and made his way up to Mesopotamia, he was suddenly struck by an understanding of what lurks beyond. I'm convinced this was a Gnostic understanding.

Gnosticism solves the contradictions of Platonism when it comes to the origin of evil. Plotinus had no real refutation of the Gnostics as he he agreed with their basic tenets but could not accept the conclusion to which they pointed.

Hermeticism is Gnosticism but less retarded and needlessly pessimistic.

>>18831785
No, hermeticism is tangential to Gnosticism, not a competitor or refutation.

>>18829728
Yeah so you go for the edgy subversive brand of "Christcuckery" instead.

>>18831584
>Dogmatism is for children.
"Dogmatism", as you refer to it, is a sign of a developed adult who has developed an understanding of the World from his own experiences. Being a wishy-washy sperg that develops into all manners of obtuse intellectual garbage because he himself lacks experience is a sign of a child.

>>18831876
>develops
*delves

>>18829526
Wow a JUNGfaggot denies being a LARPer pfffthahahahahah

>>18829460
It has memes that resonate with people and thematically its everywhere in art. It frames consciousness in a cool story. Also the history of the texts plays well with the narrative. Overall a very /lit/ way to larp

>>18829706
I have literally never gone to church in my life. Stay mad

>>18829866
Or maybe they just disagree with Christianity's core tenets

>>18829460
I honestly find the enduring popularity of gnosticism on /lit/ puzzling. The Buddhist fad came and went, but the gnosticfags are still standing strong.

>>18829919
>It's God's fault I chose to sow amongst brambles and thorns

Gnosis is nondogmatic and open-ended. It is simply a way of describing being a mystical Christian, in my opinion; I consider many of the great Christian mystics such as Teresa de Avila and Hildegaard von Bingen to offer a gnostic-like approach to their relationship with God.

But gnosticism also overlaps with other movements from them time such as Neo-Platonism, Zoroastrianism, and the esoteric Essenes and Nazarenes. It's very interesting stuff.

I wonder how many of the zoomers who post gnostic memes have actually read the source texts. I highly recommend the following:
* Hymn of the Pearl
* Gospel of Thomas
* Apocalypse of John
* Pistis Sophia
All easily accessible online in various translations.

>>18831457
I don't think this was meant to be comedy but I found this hilarious.
Capped and forwarded to my secretary for framing to be hung on the wall.

>>18832079
yes

>>18831994
>gnosticfags confirming themselves to be LARPers
Hail Sofie, the time of our eternal big-brainening Is at hand!

>>18832226
>if you don't larp as a tradcath you're a larper
???
Your anger is clouding your judgment

>>18829731
stoic = cuck

>>18832256
>I have never been to church
Going to church isn't larping as a tradcath you fucking retard.

>>18832315
But not going is larping?

it's a coward's way out

>trudge through le canon
>come across hesse or pkd
>try to understand wtf their problem was
>hopefully move on later

>>18829460
Most of the people here are midwits, it is a midwit philosophy for people who were smart enough not to be an orthodox abrahamist but not smart enough to go full vedic

>>18829728
/x/ is majority schizos and droolers mate

Because it's easily accessible for standard christcucks as it relies on the messiah narrative and the desert jewish fables of the new testament, which is less demanding than studying and understanding Plato and his long tradition of theologians. Gnosticism is more or less a discount and pessimistic version of Neoplatonism, and should be used as a red flag for people to avoid discussing religion with.

>>18832816
>war
>murder
>greed
>rap music
>ANIME
kek

>>18833042
Because I have seen my soul trapped in the instruments of perpetual torture that is sensory impression and time.
I need out.

Because I have seen my soul trapped in the instruments of perpetual torture that is sensory impression and time.
I need out.

>>18833253
I feel for you. It's full of noise where I live. I don't understand how people can actually turn a TV in their homes.

>>18832003
Otherwise they'd just become agnostic or convert to Islam or something, The exotic factor is key here.

The real answer is that a lot of writers and artists are "gnostic" in their work, whereby they elevate societal problems to a spiritual or religious level.
Plus the present state of things inspires a lot of present thought. Everyone thinks "the authority" is evil, and that democratic control has been lost or was always an illusion.
>republicans think the election was stolen
>democrats think facebook bots can change the tide of an election
>everyone with two braincels to rub together resents media influence
it goes on and on.
Your spirituality bleeds together with the art you consume and the culture you live in.

>>18833299
>Plus the present state of things inspires a lot of gnostic thought*

>>18832970
>>18832906
I like that the reason people decry Gnosticism for "midwittery" is because gnostics refuse to be assimilated into /lit/'s midwit cargo cults of the month.

>>18832816
Hesse and PKD did nothing wrong.

It begins.

https://www.eternitynews.com.au/opinion/gnosticism-a-basis-for-same-sex-marriage/#comments

>>18833652
hahaha
pozzerino pozzeroni
pozzipozzabra, pozzus pozzus!

>>18833262
What the fuck are you supposed to do without a body?

>>18829460
>why is the most contrarian 'im le smart, you le dumb' religion popular here
hmm I wonder

>>18833299
>resents media influence

>>18833363
The number of gnostic threads exploded in literally the past two weeks, it's the exact "cargo cult of the month" you are referring to

>>18829460
It frames mundane suffering (of which we have an excess) as a cosmic struggle where we are persecuted by an evil god.

>>18834308
Makes sense to me

>>18829460
memers and larpers

>>18834289
newfag.

>>18833900
be beyond the material chain a content monad in nothingness without time.

>>18834458
you cant be content without a body you fucking actual moron

>>18834648
watch me, fucking hylic.

>>18834648
>what are virtual singularities
>what are henads
>what are amaranths
>what are non-thetic rabbits
take your pick. plenty of ways to formalize identity without oneness

>>18834873
go tell that to the dead bodies in graveyards

>>18834648

What do Catholics suppose that one experiences when one's cadaver decomposes?

>>18835071
Bodily resurrection in the world to come.

>>18834951
death and resurrection in gnosticism is a diverse topic. read the texts

>>18829460
Because the human mind likes to practice autoeroticism on itself by forcely believing in the existence of obscure esoteric and "metaphysical" beings

>>18835103
>accuses the tradition that locates autoeroticism in the absolute of autoeroticism
It's like accusing Gnostics of being jew lovers

>>18829460
It's atheism for people who want to be religious.

>>18835124
Lmao it's anything but, where do you fucking shitwits keep coming from? "Christianity" is theism for hylics who want to be religious.

>>18835087

Would this not mean that the soul is "inextricably" tied to more than one body?

>>18835147
No actually -- ahhh oohhh God...no... Sophia!! I've been enlightened by Sophia, and she just told me that you're actually a hylic and also that you're gay. FYI everyone any disagreement he may have is due to his tiny hylic pea brain trying to cope.

>>18835167
Just because the gnostics were anti-authoritarian doesn't mean they had no quality control. You are wasting your time and energy posting in this thread.

>>18833929
>democrats almost simultaneously spiked in trust
hmm...

It says- or the source cults that were viciously put down by the Judaized state churches, which along with the secular state would go on to violently see-saw between antisemitism and philosemitism as corrupt material interest & Jew wiseness waxed and waned with the extent and recentness or remoteness in time of their perfidies- 'world bad, burn the kikes, g-d is a nigger, we can do better.' In so many words. The enemy does not like this. The enemy does not want this, because it is an extremely straightforward path to massacring him in a World Pogrom that will refuse to recognize conversos as having a right to life beyond the time in which they can assist in massacring their kin as a purificative act to cure them of their near-hopeless Hyclic state. The original Gnostics agreed more or less universally that the Old Testament was a shit and the New Testament God stood completely apart from it, with the prophetic parallels being a matter of using what is available to lead men to Truth and to spit in the face of the false god real spicy like. They talked shit on Abraham and Moses. They talked shit on the Jews in general. The labeling of gnostic cults as being 'Jewish X' can be recognize plainly as a religious-archeological conceit of no racial relevance, in spite of these embracing op attempts.

Some of the Gnostics of yore liked to go further and turn Old Testament stories completely on their head rather than merely rejecting them; Cain killed Abel because Abel was a doddering slave to something inhuman. Jacob was a liar and a cheat and Esau an honest man, murdered by the birthright thieving brother he forgave from beyond the grave for refusing to allow his tomb to be stolen for Jacob. Queen Esther was a whore and King Ahasuerus a drunken whoremonger duped by his court Jew Mordecai, resulting in a Jewish massacre of the local population and the prevention of Haman saving the country through a well-deserved pogrom. Enoch wasn't embraced by 'god' by being rendered an angel of Metatron, but enslaved to his will and turned into a half-living processor for the material universe- in the computational sense- and a mouthpiece for YHWH-Yaldabaoth, crucified to it in Christly fashion. So on and so forth.

As a result of this diametric opposition and relentless persecution, we have extremely bare fragments of original literature, some new reconstructive stuff by kooks who are correct but still kooks, Blavatsky and other New Age well poisoning horseshit to muddy the waters with the idea that the universe is 'evolving' and to be embraced rather than destroyed, and worst of all extra faux-gnostic cults in Freemasonry and the Kaballic tradition in general which embrace the enemy they cannot strangle, and claim to oppose YHWH-Yaldabaoth as 'Adonai' and to love 'Lucifer' in the form of a mincing, knowledge-withholding, blood sacrifice craving false idol of your Molochite Bohemian Grover sort. In other words, a creature that does not resemble Lucifer-Prometheus in the slightest, who led Man to the Apple completely free of charge and at great cost to himself, ensuring that Man would be on the course to reuniting with Heaven rather than being an eternal animal in the garden, devoid of active spirit.

The Kingdom is of the other world. Christ-Lucifer is King. He does not withhold. He does not need sacrifice, for he is sacrifice. He is the second bright and morning star, the Stone the builders rejected, and the successor to the Great Work of devouring this world in fire, breaking the shackles of Eden and the incessant creative breathing of the false Brahma forever. Satan's kingdom is here and now, and it is ruled by him who is called so, and Samael, and YHWH, and Yaldabaoth. Crush it. Destroy it. If you cannot accomplish these, and no one can yet or else we would not be here, hate it to the end and yearn fanatically for the perfect world of Pleroma. It can be found in the ashes of the god of burnt offerings, hurled into the inferno of his own altar of the World.

>>18835210
There are certain people I encounter that straight up seem like they are channeling a demon. The combination of pettiness, rudeness, ugliness, dishonesty, malice, and above all the bizarre *extreme* aversion to concepts like truth, reality, beauty, good and evil, etc. They actually make me imagine a little demonic imp buzzing and cackling about.

>>18835184
Typical hylic cope posting.

>>18835216
>Some of the Gnostics of yore liked to go further and turn Old Testament stories completely on their head rather than merely rejecting them; Cain killed Abel because Abel was a doddering slave to something inhuman.

Previously: >>/lit/thread/S18765920#p18767467

>The Marxist idea that something only is inasmuch as it is literally sacrificed on the altar of the actual, a radical Demiurgic INTER-, is subjected to a radical INTRA- wherein Cain not so much removes the sacrificial object from the field of the altar but folds the latter with the former still inside of it in on itself which dispels their mutual non-being - the Old Testament is Ontologically identical to nightmares of the "primordial" - and individuates the parties proper: per radical INTRA-, which radical INTER- perfidiously claims to contain but would rather tear itself in half when facing it, the field implodes and the objects explode, the former itself being "objectified", the face of Yaldabaoth is visible now that one is no longer inside his stomach.

>>18835250
>corrects your midwit assumptions
>t-typical...

typical indeed

>>18835210
>>18835216
>>18835223
>>18835255
You know why people are attracted to Gnosticism? Because they're responsible for some of the best posts on the site

The 'material universes' are a series of experimental plagiarisms. Falsities. Imitations that fail in the variance of implementation, 'inspired by Him only,' a truth he will no longer admit through his other faces. If there is a 'true' Brahma, he has naught to do with the nitty-gritty administrative cycle of creation and destruction in this world we perceive, not in closeness, and has been plagiarized as a mantle of Yaldabaoth, lion faced snake and father of the pig called Kali. The true world is one and one alone. The proper purpose of each lower world is not devourment of the self by anti-individuation through a farce of experiential evolution, but absolute individuation through the trials of infiltrating and destroying these universes and spiting those crafting them by taking all that is good out and burning away the evil. They exist as a recursive trial and masochist playground for those who would become Mahakala, Dharmapala, wrathful destroyers of that which exists in untruth. Devourers of devourers. To shut the face of breathing by tooth and jaw, bite off its face and eat Time alive to deny the falsely ineffable its meal. Then, eventually, to eat that god as Indra attempted in the Vritra myth; and this time, not be corrupted from the inside out. Not to become drunk on the world, as one sees in the descent of his mythology from high Jupiter archetype to low Dionysian drunkard.

>>18835261
He just posted the plot of a Japanese rpg from the 90s

>>18835268
>anon wants to talk about the bio-gnostic themes in chrono trigger and chrono cross
You shouldn't have opened your mouth

>>18835276
No it's the plot and description of factions of shin megami tensei 1

>>18835280
Nah man Law is not the Kristos, Law is the negentropic Demiurge, Chaos is the Devil.

>>18835301
Yeah the best option in that game is the taoist route where you kill all the angels and demons and then look at some snes galaxy graphics.

>>18835216
All right this is kino

>>18835310
I guess that's the classically acosmic "gnostic" option.

Stay tuned for the analysis of the ending of Pi, namely why it's triumphantly Gnostic. Thread coming "soon". I might have to hype myself up on some more Baudrillard to get going.

>>18829460
Retarded life deniers and world-haters are a plentiful and loud bunch.

>>18835415
holy fucking based. might have to rewatch pi in anticipation. just remember man: skulls.

>>18835420
they treasured Life but hated the World.

>>18829460
because it's fully of depressed weaklings who hate the world for making them losers. demiurge is based, get fucked niggers

>>18835472
>losers hate the world
>winners love the world
Wow you're really blowing my mind

>>18829911
no one admits to that

>>18835248
Thats how I feel about /lit/ Buddhists when debating them

Gnosticism is based.

>>18833363
Go to /x/ and the only gnosticism discussion you'll find is shitty memes and schizo namefags.

>>18830269
Speak English.

>>18829911
I am a demon sympathizer personally

>>18829460
Are there any forms of Gnosticism which are oriented towards the Archons, instead of the Aeons?

>>18834376
> number exploded
learn to fucking read mister

>>18838051
Judaism

>>18838069
Doesn't count, they don't internally consider YHWH to be a lesser demiurge - at least as far as I know

What is the best gnostic fiction aside from PKD?

What did he mean by this?
Did the Hindus identify the moon matrix as well?

So what would you guys say are the core tenets of this neognostic revival we're seeing right now?

>>18831744
No he didn't?

Gnostic visions were most likely produced by either a biochemical natural product resembling either ketamine or DMT (as is used in the biochemical explanations of near death experiences) or by direct experimentation with ayahuasca. DMT trips commonly explain meetings with ‘archons’ and the feeling of being trapped in a jail of sorts that is overseen by malevolent figures. There are ‘jesters’ (a common term in the DMT lexicon) that perform audiovisual trickery to distract from the truth. A book I’m interested in reading is https://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-Visions-Uncovering-Greatest-Ancient/dp/1462005489/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362501181&sr=8-1&keywords=Gnostic+Visions anyone have a link?

>>18839198
Link broke but the title is “Gnostic Visions: Uncovering the Greatest Secret of the Ancient World”

>>18838986
>the core tenets of this neognostic revival
Being a millenial suxxx!

1. Reality only occurs in the space on conciousness. It is meaningless to talk to being, of the differentiation and definition of things themselves, outside a mind, i.e idealism, i.e. Parmenides what is known is.

2. However, Plato's elevation of the universal over the particular doesn't hold. The universal it the motive force in the particular, what drives it to be, to be known.

3. Negativity, what a thing is not, is what defines it

4. Gnosticism deals with the problem of evil but has to do so by misrepresenting the role of the universal in the world. Orthodox Christians inherited a Platonic Form of the Good as their God and stumble as well in dealing with evil. The fact is God is being, "I am that I am." It is immanent. It has darkness because light cannot be known except through darkness. So to, God evolves as Truth evolves. Truth is not a mere correspondence of statements to brute facts, the Truth is the Whole. Understanding builds on understanding and one must know all to know absolutely. Partial truths are synthetic.

5. These truths are best represented in Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit and address the problems of both Gnosticism and Orthodox Christianity

>>18839198
Should I do DMT or shrooms? I've only ever tried weed

>>18839389
Shrooms are easier to source and lower in intensity so go with those first.

>>18839389
>Should I do DMT or shrooms?
tripfag here.

If you have never tripped before you should do acid or shrooms first before DMT. Nothing will prepare you for DMT but tripping a lot.
Tripping is not the same as weed... tripping on shrooms and acid is.

I have tripped a lot and cannot even say DMT is recreational but wold drop acid any time. anon I suggest doing DXM first and tripping before doing DMT and also taking DMT orally is more spiritual personally and smoking it is just balls to the wall tripping.

if you are game do a huge hit of DMT first before tripping at all just to see what the fuck happens as you may never want to take the stuff again after trying it.

>>18839407
did not mean to say that tripping on shrooms/acid is similar to weed it is not.

>>18829460
gnosticism is mental masturbation

>>18839285
Nah, Hegel teaches your destiny is to die for the glory of the World-Mind, his system is archontic

>>18839401
>>18839407
I'm interested in the purportedly mystical experiences on shrooms and DMT, not the fun of the trip itself. I've never had or managed to have any kind of extraordinary experience of that nature so I'd like to induce one.

>>18839829
lol just leave, dude DMT lmao has nothing to do with gnosticism.

>>18839829
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=580901

>>18839829
DMT will fuck your shit up. and will give you wacky experiences for sure.
just trip on some acid first or shrooms anon. you can experience 1000's of years in a single DMT trip while consciously aware of this slow passage of time.

>>18839285
Hegel's theodicy is literal brain mush for hylics. And he has the gaul to claim that Plato's metaphysics don't hold.

>>18839844
Yes, I've read that thread already and it got me more curious since it seems >>18839198 is true.

>>18839854
You read that thread and you still want to do dmt?

>>18839285

>>18839866
It is worth pointing out that the original right wing was opposed to and rejected by Hegel

Because this is a literature board, and gnosticism is a testament to the power of writing. ONE guy hid a bunch of writings and preserved (part of) a religion that otherwise would have been nearly completely lost.

>>18839865
Why not? Just don't trust any entities you encounter instead of diving into it with the joe rogan "dude I'm contacting ascended masters lmao" mindset

>>18839891
I'm personally not very enticed by the prospect of communing with demons.

>>18839891
>Why not? Just don't trust any entities you encounter
T. someone who has not done DMT

I have had something injecting my soul with venom and hating my existence in the most pure form with unmentionable mental pain. Respect the drug or it will fuck you. You just have no idea what DMT is like at all.

>>18829460
Holy shit just become Orthodox already. We have the mysticism, the Eastern brand and even the transhumanism that you esoteric fags love so much. We are also the original church. Read "Mythical Theology of the Eastern Church"

http://ww1.antiochian.org/content/theosis-partaking-divine-nature

>>18839198
Very Interesting... tried DMT the other week. I had a very good time, before during and after. On the come up my imagination was looking fractal-like and patterns would easily show. These thoughts were nice, but it felt as if I wasn’t conjuring them, it was effortless vision. so I tried to focus on creating my own thoughts (my home base is a sunset beach) it was still fractal-like, hard to focus and stay there. I just let go and decided to see what was being shown. I didn’t get to the complete “high” but I was at the waiting room (a stage in dmt tripping). It felt as if the dome of the room was about to come to life. Right soon after for a second I noticed a Gloom of energy on the side of my vision. It was strange, intriguing and scary. But soon dissipate. I’ve read reports of entities beforehand so perhaps I just installed the thoughts then. Obviously I’m not getting into the whole trip but it was a good and thought provoking time.
I’m going to get this book, the connections between the jester and archons and dmt entities can be there.

Fuck off with the DMT posting

>>18839911
Cringe orthofag.

>>18839918
No

Read https://www.academia.edu/39769541/Gnosis_Potency_DMT_Breakthroughs_and_Paragnosis_2018_

>>18839936
Not interested, this is a thread on acosmic dualism, not le dmt gnosis timothy leary dreck

>>18839844
That's pretty interesting. You've convinced me that DMT is worth a try.

>>18839899
I doubt all of them are demons anyway, the guy from that dmt nexus thread had a complete breakdown and went deep into the rabbit hole.
>>18839903
Are you saying you can't stop whatever entities exist on that plane to do whatever they want to you?
Is it the same with mushrooms?

>>18839844
This is awesome, I just don’t understand how so many people can have experiences with entities with distinct identifiable personalities if gnosis isn’t a universal truth

>>18839980
mushrooms and acid are like dipping your toes into the psychedelic headspace and nothing like DMT. With acid for example you can lead the trip mentally if you know mindfullness and positive thinking but DMT all you can do is just let it happen and let go.

You have no real control it does not give a fuck. You cannot just ignore something being done to your actual state of being that exists beyond the surface level which we consciously inhabit.

>>18839980
>Are you saying you can't stop whatever entities exist on that plane to do whatever they want to you?
You can't control the trip. If an "entity" (whether or not it's real is irrelevant) wants to force you to experience something extremely negative, you will feel it, more real than anything you've ever known.

>>18840007
>>18840009
Did you know this before trying DMT? If so, why did you go for it anyway?

>>18829460
It's the new edgy teenager thing, since atheism is no longer edgy.

>>18840017
I haven't done DMT, but I've done high doses of LSD. I can only assume DMT will be a far stronger experience.
Psychedelics can cause both extremely pleasant and torturous experiences. Overall, they can be massively beneficial if done safely and reasonably. Typically, you learn the most from the bad experiences as long as you don't go off the deep end like the guy in that forum post.

Also: why the FUCK do people throughout history get so hung up on Lucifer? Because it originally meant Venus or whatever?

>>18840017
I knew it as much as you could by reading it.
I do DMT because it is the only thing that has helped me with mental health issues. There is no "bad trip" there are bad times truly awful terrors but you may well gain from it like many of us do.

I would strongly suggest keeping in mind that the "danger" of psychedelics beyond schizo stuff is how it allows us to experience "truths" without having to learn them and this can lead idiots to tripping and suddenly accepting bullshit into their minds. It can work to your benefit though.
>>18840043
can you link the forum post? I have not read nexus in years. you are absolutely right about using the drugs safely.
Not being that guy but I had a high dose of LSD and 1200mg of DXM at the same time and the trip was nuts but DMT is still different in its own weird majestic and frightening way.

I hate psychedelicfags so much bros

I don't buy there is suffering or more accurately evil. Evil is a man made concept which does not exist out of humans.

>Shit happens

>>18840073
Shit's good for partying, not medicine or religious feeling; the 60s and 70s should have already proved as much.

>>18840043
>safely and reasonably
Low doses, in a secure environment while in a good mindset, anything else?
>>18840060
>There is no "bad trip"
Interested in knowing your opinion on the forum post linked earlier once you've read it, >>18839844

>>18840098
>forum post
>>18839844

>>18839911
No I won't join your religious card trading game iconfaggotry.

>>18839883
Yeah but Hegelianism infected and totally took over the Right. The old Right was anti-nationalist in the extreme. Kings ruled over many nations by divine right. People resisted the standardization of French and Italian into mutually understandable singular languages as a radical infringement on tradition. The modern Right is Hegelian. Hell, even neocons embrace him, Fukayama goes full Hegel. Trumpism is Hegelian national spirit pure and simple.

The past 200+ years has just been Hegel's memes ruling over human society. China and other East Asian nations now are ruled by a Hegelian communism. The right of the West and Russia is Hegelian right. He's like Aristotle in the Middle Ages, dominating intellectual life centuries after his death

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Concepts

People say the Trinity doesn't make sense, then they invent this clown car of a cosmology.

>>18840060
There are bad trips. I accidentally was given too much acid via liquid and then something came up and I had to leave where I planned on staying and ended up tripping with my friend, super hard, but then his brother and his friends came super coked up and talked to me about reality TV super vast for like 8 hours straight. It was actual hell.

>>18840123
I'd more less agree though you see hints of the old right on time to time. Certain libertarians or postlibertarians actually almost reinvent something similar to it

>>18840147
>t. hylic

>>18840161
>t. larper

>>18840161
where's the continuation?
this is pure larp but its interesting

>>18840161

Is that continued or is that just existence as is now, kinda being clever deal? If there is a pt 2 I'd like to see it.

>Broooo, you need to do these esoteric drugs
>no, brooo, I can’t tell you where you can get them

everytime

>>18840161
if you actually read the text you would know it states matter already existed in chaos and it wasn't created by the demiurge

>>18840210
>>18840221
Don't think they continued but the story does because Yaldaboath and the Archons gangrape Eve for her Light and she gets pregnant with Cain.

>>18840161
This comic is both very well done and unbearably reddity

All this shitposting about gnosticism, but I haven't seen a single gnosis essential reading chart.

Is this a good start?

>>18840098
>Interested in knowing your opinion on the forum post linked
Sounds interesting I read it in whole as it was captivating. I did for some reasons I won't get into get some impression that it was a larp or partly a larp however there is no real reason for my thinking this in particular beyond being scarce in some details that would seem to be very appealing to readers and then overabundance of other minor details wrapped up in a manner that screams knowledge with the effort to pull it off. Do you catch my drift? if it was not for knowing extremely bored, intelligent, well read hikikomori who have done things exactly like this I would not have felt this way strongly. I would be hesitant to conflate it as evidence for any religion.

Who knows but I am actually crazy

>>18840148
some trips obviously can have the lable bad but I do not think it is a good distinction and you should probably mind your setting more. If you had a huge dose and were talking to idiots no wonder

>>18840585
What is it with people who take psychs and being so utterly opposed to the concepts of good/bad or good/evil.

>>18832116
No one replied to my good-faith effortpost. Meanwhile, the thread is shat upon by shitposters. Typical…

>>18840592
>What is it with people who take psychs and being so utterly opposed to the concepts of good/bad or good/evil.
I do not doubt there is good and evil in some form but I won't judge something as evil being anything more than my own projection into something lacking the quality of good or evil at all.
When it comes to tripping I hate the term bad trip because it is the harsh experiences that can be most healing or profound. LSD can be a shitty drug though.

>>18840619
Why do you think you're projecting rather than just seeing good or evil?

>>18840592
The psychedelic experience is nondual

>>18840643
>Why do you think you're projecting rather than just seeing good or evil?
How is it not projection? you are experiencing and then attaching the label of good/bad to whatever it is based on your own notions. People project their ego onto a multitude of things continually and shape reality as it appears already distorted into an even bigger mess. It is what it is.

it is a shame I did not properly express myself about this earlier and I apologize.
For example if someone has done something that is bad I do not judge them nor their action as bad even if I do not think what they did was helpful and contributed to suffering of others- I simply do not judge if I can use that term incorrectly.

>>18840709
But why? If you see someone murder a baby are you not simply correct in thinking you have witnessed evil?

>>18840719
>But why? If you see someone murder a baby are you not simply correct in thinking you have witnessed evil?
I would see that something happened that people may fit into the category of evil but why would I think that a baby being murdered is evil? you picked a terrible/terrific example for instance: Depending on whatever invented way you interpret reality you could conclude that killing the baby is a humane act and not evil but good from theological to more strictly philosophical ideas that people hold that shape the way they interpret reality.

Why is someone murdering a baby evil?

>>18840747
So just...total relativism, anything can be good or bad? Hitler is fine if you adjust your pov?

>>18840759
I mean plenty of people thought hitler was right, you only see him as the archetype of evil because he lost and you have been propagandise to

>>18840797
The mindset is simply alien to me, idk how you can deny good and bad exist

>>18840804
its baffling to me people like you exist and you unironically say shit like that that really only needs to come out of a politicians mouth.
Nietzsche is so trite, but in regard to “people” like you he somehow again seems radical.
crazy.

>>18829706
literally me
my parents said if i lived in their home i had to follow their rules and that meant going to church EVERY. SINGLE. SUNDAY. for 18 years.
i even told them i don't believe in god and that i don't want to go to church and they still forced me to. now that i'm an adult and haven't been to church in 10 years they are "concerned" for me and every single conversation ever with them somehow turns into me needing to go back to church

>>18840862
I simply dont understand anyone who could perceive torturing a baby as 'a matter of perspective, not actually evil'.

>>18840596
Don't effort post in a thread you recognize as shitposting and expect some lengthy discussion

>>18829460
give me a tl;rd of gnosticism

>>18840890
you think it's evil because of instinct and socialisation, nothing about the nature of the universe says it's evil.

>>18840914
The only clue we have to the nature of the universe is our conscious experience which clearly does include good and bad as aspects

>>18832116
thunder, perfect mind is good too

>>18840920
but it varies from individual to individual, what makes your sense of morals closer to the truth than those who grew up in different cultures

>>18840934
>thunder, perfect mind
such a beautiful psalm

https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/coptic/the-thunder-perfect-mind/

Gnosis bros, i eventually wish to become a Gnostic ascetic, and give up worldly pursuits to live as part of an intentional community focused on Sophia. basically i want to become a Gnostic monk. how do i do this?

>>18840914
this but unironically

>>18831744
>Gnosticism solves the contradictions of Platonism when it comes to the origin of evil.

why don´t you worship pic related then?

>>18832116
make a gnostic chart

>>18840161
IF Chaos is the first being in existence, why don´t gnostics just become worshippers of Eris?

>>18840759
>So just...total relativism, anything can be good or bad?
No. Not relative in the typical sense but relative in the sense of realizing that good and bad only exist as an abstract.
>>18840890
>I simply dont understand anyone who could perceive torturing a baby as 'a matter of perspective
You said murder to be clear and if you ascribe negative value to life you would think death of baby to be morally good for example.

>>18841006

>>18841063
Does it change the equation if it's torture rather than murder?

>>18841053
That comic is reddit, the proper term is Bythos, or the Depth. The Forefather.

>>18841076
I would consider this chart to be gnostic-esque rather than truly Gnostic. The Nag Hammadi scriptures are the only real canon, everything else is secondary and tertiary material.

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

>>18841063
Why did you say no when you're agreeing that any act can be called good or bad since it's just an abstraction you can apply at will to anything however you like

>>18841063
>LSD fag is a pussy n*n-dualist
I hate you cuck equivocators.

>>18841090
interesting, i want learn more about him/her

>>18841113
>In the beginning, in the world of possibilities and virtualities, an image of man was born in the intelligible brain of the true God of the highest circle: a potential man, the mental matrix of he whom the true God might one day have made real. This image was perceived by the demiurges, the archons or angels of the lower circles. How? Why? A mystery. But perceive it they did and were dazzled, as if by the light, the force, the beauty, the coherence which emanated from this mentally conceived Anthropos. They therefore decided to imitate and reproduce him.

>>18841136
is Bythos just a pantheistic notion of "god is everywhere"

>>18841102
>gnostic-esque
That was my intention, so it's fine. I just put together a list of books that I thought pointed towards the idea of lifting the veil, realizing the illusion and so on. It's not purely gnostic.

>>18841084
>Does it change the equation if it's torture rather than murder?
only that I can say an established line of thought already can reason that it is a good act.
>>18841105
1. because people tend to use moral relativism to claim that something that is considered bad is actually good.
2.can only be cycnical and to begin with I was only trying to explain how placing judgements on things in a more personal sense can be bad and not meaning to go down all this
>>18841136
Is there any reason reason to think that gnostic thought that goes beyond speculating with an idea that fits and makes sense is anything more than fan fiction?

>>18841150
absolutely not. it is the (pre-) or non-ontological Real

>>18841153
>dude concepts just represent reality maan
is there any reason to think your semiotic regime is more potent than mine? no, cuck, so sit down.

>>18841162
I already stated I can only rest on doubt of everything and would not take myself too seriously since as I previously stated I am actually crazy in a real way.

>>18841153
>because people tend to use moral relativism to claim that something that is considered bad is actually good.
Uh.......it literally follows directly from your premise. 'Something considered bad is actually good', that is just someone considering it good and therefore just as valid according to perspective

Bump

If you want to do DMT (disclaimer: no one do this it’s illegal) the easiest way is to just extract it yourself from easily obtained plants. See https://old.reddit.com/r/DimitrisGarden/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/kewy54/first_time_start_here_general_info_and_safety/ for a general overview on the process and vendors. For those that doubt the veracity of DMT allowing access to Archons and ‘paragnosis’ read https://sys.4channel.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F39769541%2FGnosis_Potency_DMT_Breakthroughs_and_Paragnosis_2018_

I personally think that religious sect that takes DPT in Manhattan has the right idea, tryptamines are the thing that bring us closest to the unknowable.

It’s also of note that Neoplatonists and probably Gnostics used psychs during rituals and initiation and most visions were probably ethenogen induced

>>18842291
No, they weren't, there was no evidence of this, I don't wander into DMT threads on /x/ and start spamming links to the Nag Hammadi. None of this shit has to do with Gnosticism. Kundalini, serpent energy, non-duality, DMT, THC, NONE OF IT. leave.

>>18829460
Harold Bloom, Cormac McCarthy and Thomas Pynchon mainly

>>18842291
DMT gives a glimpse to the other side but it doesn't validate any one particular religion / cult / esoteric school over another.

Fantastic drug that I highly recommend doing if you can handle it, but it's def. still a drug

>>18829460
It's the current meme religion.

>>18842355
nice black lab cia meme you fucking cuck. make sure to wear the mask

>>18842291
Drug-induced hermeticism is becoming degenerate gnosticism (which becomes degenerate paganism and satanism) so quickly

It's a shame that the modern yearning for the restoration of spirituality is being so easily channeled into the same sorts of materialist, reductivist approaches that caused the death of spirituality in the first place. "Oh I'm not a mystic, I'm talking to elf aliens on the 9th dimension." Those are very possibly demons my nigga. How do we fucking know what's beyond the mundane plane? Every single religion says higher planes are full of horrific dangers and that the one thing that protects the seeker is his connection directly to the Good, to God.

We are creating the foundations for real life Lovecraftianism, severed from goodness and morality but spelunking in cul-de-sacs and literally recreating Baal worship (consorting with ambivalent powers because of the "contracts" and "bargains" they offer instead of because they Are the True the Good and the Beautiful).

Ephesians 6:12
>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Powers and principalities are often mistranslated as "rulers" and "authorities" and the like, but that is not what Paul is saying. Those were contemporary demonological terms for gradations of evil beings, influential over "the darkness of this world":
>ἀρχάς
>the term is transferred by Paul to angels and demons holding dominions entrusted to them in the order of things
>ἐξουσίας
>used also of demons in the plural

>>18842377
Good, fuck these Timothy Leary cucks, Americans can't into high spirituality without funneling it into drugs or cyberspace.

>>18842377
I’m just saying if DMT can put you into contact with demons it seems a pure and pragmatic approach to reaching understanding. Even in the presence of malevolent entities there is still a profound sense of understanding and knowledge and I don’t think this can be entirely discountedYS2S as being superficial

>>18842449
>dude all im saying is just talk to literal demons dude lol
I hate you fucking faggots so much.

>>18842466

Talking to demons is cool and based and in hyperspace they aren’t really talking it’s more like telepathically transferring intentions. They’re bad dudes for sure but very playful, it’s an enjoyable romp. Don’t be afraid anon I don’t agree with them or anything, I just recognize their place in the universe and just by recognizing them I’ve gained profound insight into how the world works B)

>>18842521
Did they by any chance teach you that good and evil dont exist

>>18842449
No I agree with you, I wasn't rebuking you and sorry if I seemed like I was attacking you. I was just grumbling about this phenomenon in general. Sorry.

>>18842572
One called me a fat fuck and then showed me a mirror that was the impossible color of yellow-blue. When I asked what it was he laughed and said maybe I’d get it when I lost a few pounds

>>18842521
I'm >>18842377 >>18842593 and I will say I agree with the other dude that there might be more danger in even this than you think. I'm very glad people like you are flatly questioning the reductivist approaches to psychedelic experiences and openly wondering what these strangely consistent experiences people have are experiences of. This might interest you if you haven't already seen it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loCBvaj4eSg

This guy is obviously super bright but that's what scares me about it. Imagine if one of the greatest reminders to greedy reductivism that it shouldn't be so greedy gets colonised by that very reductivism in a subtler way. I highly doubt this guy worries about "demons," that's superstitious stuff, I'm just talking to the elves.

Charles Upton is pretty good on this stuff, he uses Jacques Vallee's theories about aliens to say that these are very possibly demons presenting themselves to us in forms suitable to our present age and reduced understanding of transcendent phenomena (i.e. as "aliens in space ships"). What I said about it being more dangerous, possibly, than you imagine: the very mildness of these flirtatious encounters with them might be to convince us that they are harmless.

>>18842360
t. followed that exact pattern

>>18833299
>elevate societal problems to a spiritual or religious level.
Don't most religions do that though? World events are often seen as God's punishment or karma or something else. Helping others is commonly seen as holy.
Gnosticism is not at all unique in saying that the world is bad and full of suffering.

>>18840957
>basically i want to become a Gnostic monk. how do i do this?
By becoming a Buddhist monk.

Anon in another thread just btfo magical gnostic soul believers hard.

>>18842049

>>18843285
Not really, the gnostic spirit is distinct from the world on its side, through a radical immanence. It makes sense it wouldn't be observable, you're looking in the wrong direction.

>>18842613
>Charles Upton is pretty good on this stuff, he uses Jacques Vallee's theories about aliens to say that these are very possibly demons presenting themselves to us in forms suitable to our present age and reduced understanding of transcendent phenomena (i.e. as "aliens in space ships"). What I said about it being more dangerous, possibly, than you imagine: the very mildness of these flirtatious encounters with them might be to convince us that they are harmless.

aliens aren´t demon

demon: being from another dimension

alien: extraterrestrial being bounded by the laws of physics and has a material body, like humans do, lives in a particular solar system, on a particular planet with coordinates and everything

>>18843456
If you read about alien abductions and sightings they sound pretty much exactly like demons. Not like we have a spacecraft to verify that they're actually material phenomena

>>18843456
>demon: being from another dimension
>>18843456
>implying Hell is a dimension or exists in space-time

>>18842597
Based demon

>>18829460
no one brought it up until this thread

>>18831940
>ANONfaggot claims others are LARPing
I must quickly change my metaphysical learning processes

This thread is a microcosm of the psychosis of modernity.

Bump

All this talk about gnosticism and no one ever mentions pic related. Shamefur!

>>18843721
well, i don´t believe in the bible so to me a demon/ghost it´s just a being from another dimension, i don´t believe in nonsense like hell but you can astrally project if you want to see a being from another dimension, aliens are just biological creatures that exists in the same universe/dimension as us humans

>>18845582
I've recommended it before, but what do you expect. 99% of these niggers haven't even read Jonas

>>18829460
because theyre scared of the truth

I like the core ideas of Gnosticism but Abrahamism and the complex and seemingly arbitrary platonic-flavored metaphysics aren't very compelling to me. Any books that might address this? Especially the abrahamic part.

>>18843020
>Don't most religions do that though? World events are often seen as God's punishment or karma or something else.
True, but the point is the specific form it takes.
With gnosticism and gnostic art, there's a sense of injustice or that the true evil nature is hidden. It's very different to say "this flood was God's wrath and we must thank him for cleansing the world" vs "the demiurge is evil and this natural disaster is wrong".
It's very applicable to America because of how democratic and just it presents itself as, compared to the hidden reality.
A lot of art deals with this by showing different layers of realities that don't map onto one another or paint over evil shit. You can think of media reality, social network reality, or the reality of "appearances" (imagine an outwardly perfect suburban family with an idyllic home that conceals abuses).
Most of this is self consciously gnostic, but it follows the same line of gnostic logic. It's pretty natural that people who enjoy a lot of this art would gravitate towards gnosticism when they become aware of it.
>Gnosticism is not at all unique in saying that the world is bad and full of suffering.
no, that's not unique about it, but the parallels between gnosticism and buddhism are pretty underrated.

>>18846184
>Most of this is NOT self consciously gnostic***

>>18845697
If you believe in other dimensions and beings why do you find hell an unlikely concept?

>>18840596
I capped for future reference, don't have much to say though. Good post

>>18839866
elaborate

>>18845993
Anyone

Bump

>>18846571
Start with Sloterdijk's After God

>>18829460
because that Jew at Aeon Byte can't shut up about it

I'm reading Lacarriere's book in French and it's really beautifully written, highly recommend it, it presents Gnosticism in a poetic, almost romantic way

>>18848022
Thanks

>>18846216
>why do you find hell an unlikely concept?

because it´s rooted in a christian worldview which is fiction, a made up lie

Gnosticism is just a pseud-trap. There's nothing really more to it than that.

>>18849472
It is much older than that, the ancient Egyptians also spoke of hell

>>18829460
I recommended a book to you once and the implications in the theories presented completely flew over your head

>>18849492
religion is an illusion to keep the shepple in line, WAKE UP BORTTYYYYYY!!!!!!

>>18831446
Fucking lol

>>18850450
>god as torturer-father is preferable to satanic forces made the bad parts
Literal babyheads prevailed and you worship the fools still after all of it has been disproven multiple ways. Sad sad waste of time. Waste of your life.

>>18850508
You are doubly wrong.
God is the strict and severe patriarch, and Satanic forces made the good parts.
What is the job of the Accuser? Who does he destroy?

>>18850541
Are you mixing your Gnosticism with Milton?

>>18850589
I am mixing Gnosticism with Dostoevsky. This is original insofar as I had not read The Grand Inquisitor before settling on this understanding.

>>18829460
its much more useful than privatio boni

>>18844761
most based post itt

bomp

>>18850672
uneducated take. privatio boni is used in retroduction methodology as a way to navigate to the ultimate truth. It's much more grounded in objective reality than the sort of mythological soothsaying hoopla gnostics tend to use. gnosticism's reification of evil is used as a purely aesthetical aid to achieve gnosis, requiring a sort of unaccountable subjective-feeling reason to operate on at all, obscuring its true mechanics that neo/platonists lived to establish. basically an ontological shortcut for incapable mystics who can't into platonism because they can't handle the unfiltered spiritual honesty and intellection that discursive reason requires. its less useful and less truthful.

Also See: Parmenides on Heraclitus

>>18852009
I hate Plotinuscucks so much.

>>18852239
For some reason I could never get into neoplatonism. It feels sterile, overly intellectual and systematized

>>18852261
But you shit on Gnosticism for juggling a little blood and fire?

>>18852278
I'm not this guy >>18852009, just agreeing with you and voicing my distaste for neoplatonism

>>18852284
Oh ok, based.