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>kills an innocent baby because "he will become stronger than Hector"
>becomes a national hero
why is Odysseus a fucking awful human being?

>> No.18809626

>innocent
>baby

Pick one

>> No.18809876

>why does past man not follow future morals?
wow better cancel him on twitter, sister

>> No.18809923

>>18809601
You’re right, maybe he should have put him in a chest with his mother and pushed it out to see.

>> No.18809962

>>18809626
t. Augustine

>> No.18809987

>>18809876
Someone tried back in 2018.

https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/odysseus-jerk/

>> No.18810001

>>18809601
That's what people did back then. If he had left him alive the baby may grown up and built up his own army to tear down the Greeks

>> No.18810786

>>18809601
Athena liked him.

>>18809876
Weak cope

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>>18810804

>> No.18810842

>>18810001
Nah.

>> No.18810954

>>18810786
Athena was a nutty bitch.

>> No.18810958

>>18809601
The Iliad and the Odyssey make me 'basedface' like a modern man watching a Marvel movie. God I love that shit.

>> No.18810963

>>18809876
>killing the most innocent thing in the world was okay in the past

>> No.18811011

>>18810963
It literally was

>> No.18811017

>>18810963
Back the they didn't think of people as individuals, but as extensions of a family line. The baby does inherit the sins of the father, back then

>> No.18811851

The idea that killing children is morally wrong only came to Europe when Christians brought slave-morality (the idea that being good is about serving other people).

Killing someone who might be stronger is morally good in master-morality where anything that makes you stronger, more beautiful, more feared, richer etc. Is morally good.

>> No.18811862

>>18810963
Why would it be morally wrong? There is no non-religious reason why you should have any duties to a baby if you don't want those duties and are powerful enough to not be strongarmed into giving those duties.

>> No.18811872

>>18809876
>future morals

Didn't help Agamemnon much

>> No.18811885

>>18809601
He does what he must without hubris. He is rationality personified. He fucks mad bitches. He also saw his wife three times in 30 years. How good is that life?

>> No.18811889

>>18811872
Didn’t kill enough babies.

>> No.18812281

>>18809601
Because he was a Hero, not a hero. Ancient Greek hero's weren't really good people, just interesting ones

>> No.18812362

>>18811851
Man you clearly didn't understand Nietzsche

>> No.18813582

infanticide is based, lions do it too

>> No.18813791

>>18809601
Are you upset that Greek heroes don't act like comic book superheroes?

>> No.18814141

>>18812362
Nietzsche didn't consider killing children to be morally wrong in a master morality system.

>> No.18815685

In which part of the Odyssey he kills a damn baby?

>> No.18816420

>>18814141
>>18811851
Sauce?

>> No.18816441

>>18811017
*Back then they knew people were extensions of their family lines.
fixed

>> No.18816505

>greek man kills a baby circa 1000BC
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>shekelwitz kills a baby circa 2021AD
YAAAAAAAAAASS KWEEEEEEEEEEN SLAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY

>> No.18816556

>>18809987
Reminds of that lady who tried to cancel Genghis Khan on Twitter a few years back.

>> No.18816564

>>18811872
Agamemnon was fated to die. Could have been the nicest guy ever and he would have still been murdered. Part of the whole his family being cursed thing.

>> No.18816584

>>18816564
They're fated to die because they're a family of assholes

>> No.18816700

>>18816584
Even the non-assholes suffered like his daughter and son who ended up breaking the curse.

>> No.18816868

>>18816420
Genealogy of morals for example. Beyond good and evil. The gay science.

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>>18809601
There's the other versions where Neoptolemus kills Astyanax and then Priam.
Makes the scene with Andromache, Hector and Astyanax all the more depressing. Almost ready to cry now, honestly.

>> No.18816932

>>18812362
You’re clearly a leftist who think you can appropriate Nietzsche by thinking his maater/slave morality dichotomy is not fundamental to his thinking. There’s nothing inherently wrong with killing other people, children, animals or what have you. You’ve been poised by christcuck morality, you’re whole ideology wouldn’t exist without Christianity and it’s still acts as the underlying base of all your moral assumptions; unknowingly. Nietzsche repeatedly made it clear that he was pro-genocide.

>> No.18816975

>>18816932
Self-indulgent sociopathy.

>> No.18816994

>>18816975
Not an argument against master/slave morality; try again Christcuck.

>> No.18817003

>>18816975
Not an argument against master/slave morality; try again Christcuck. I love it when leftists reveal themselves to be the biggest adherents of Christian morality

>> No.18817071

>>18810963
was it not? according to who? you?

>> No.18817980

>>18810786
Please stop being a lesbo Butters, I want to caress your cheeks, bite your lips, kiss every part of your body and fill you up every night.