/lit/ - Literature

>>18790696
start with the greeks

>>18790696
what exactly do you mean by pretentious

>>18790716
>What other /lit/ recommendations should I avoid?
>>18790716
start with the late romans instead

McCarthy aint for ESLs boy

>>18790696
Pic gets a lot of shit on /lit/, but in my opinion you should read it.

>>18790696
>I was trying to read the entire top 100 /lit/ choices but I really don't want to get memed into pretentious crap.
Anon, I...

>>18790763
Well, I did not like the book because I thought that the main story was "meh", while the language was overly complicated. So you end up making a big effort to understand what is going on while the pay off isn't worth it. This is the main reason I disliked the book. By pretentious I mean that while I was reading I got the vibe that the author was trying to send me some "deep" message, but I never got any of that, the language used is to ambiguous and so the ideas that he was trying to push are just not clear enough to be judges as good or bad philosophically, so I only can call them pretentious or "cringe"(very adequate characterization of the "judge" character).

I want books that are less verbose and have better stories. Also, if a book is trying to sell me some philosophical idea, I want those ideas fully fleshed out and clear so I can judge them as good or bad.

>>18790696
that's a western isn't it? nooooo thanks cowboy
greeks are fucking boring. sure, the foundation of western civilization etc but in themselves are dead boring.

>>18790834
lol wait til he gets to ulysses

>>18790696
BM is literally on the basic level of literature. where had you been until you get into it?

>>18790696
BM is literally on the basic level of literature. where had you been until you got into it?

>>18790696
BM is literally on the basic level of literature. where had you been until you got into it?

>>18790969
it literally isn't though

>>18790965
>>18790969
No it is not. Stop trying to fool me, I am no retard.

>>18790977
You are probably a retard though, the Blood Meridian's difficulty is mid-tier at best. Even the Moby Dick is harder.

>>18790857
>the ideas that he was trying to push are just not clear enough to be judges (sic) as good or bad
stick to aesop I guess

>>18790696
filtered

>>18791047
What is hard tier then?

>>18790965
>>18790969
>double posting
Low IQ

>>18791047
>(the) Blood Meridian
>(the) Moby dick
Low IQ

>>18791047
OP isn't complaining about the difficulty though and Moby dick is quite literally easier. The cetology only filters people because it is boring and there is lot of it.

>>18791190
I unironically like when Ishmael talks about whales and I think he is somewhat an interesting character, much better than "the kid". Also, Moby Dick is much less difficult to read.

>>18790696
McCarthy causes ESL retards to seethe and make these absurdly ridiculous posts brimming with cope about why the book is not actually good because they're confronted with the fact that their english is no where is as good as they like to think it is.
Stay in your lane.

>>18791190
>OP isn't complaining about the difficulty though
see >>18790857
>Well, I did not like the book because I thought that the main story was "meh", while the language was overly complicated.

>>18791150
Gravity's Rainbow

>>18791201
The kid is meant to be a blank canvas, he doesn't have any relation to Ishmael except that he is subsumed by the narrative in the middle like Ishmael is in MD. The most explicit MD character in BM is the Judge, who is The Whale and Ahab both rolled into one and then some more.
Look Sneed, you can come back to it later again. I think the book is worth an effort to understand and I have seen people grow to love the book on rereads. You will understand some of what he was trying to convey on a reread, that is a given.
>>18791202
Dude, chill.

>>18791226
>>>>/r/eddit

>>18791206
That does not imply it is hard. OP finished it. That is like saying Lolita is difficult because Language is overly complicated.

>>18791216
not hard just sucks

>>18791239
what does it imply then, hmm?

>>18791202
/lit/ told me this was one of the best 100 books of all time. I checked it out and figured /lit/ was wrong.

>>18791206
Nothing wrong with writing a complicated book, if you have good substance in it. BM reads like a Liveleak compilation from mexican cartels sprinkled with cringe philosophy and A LOT of description of the desert.

>>18791248
cope. you will never be native.

>>18791226
Fair. But Ahab is cool, the judge is cringe.

>>18791243
It implies that OP probably did not enjoy looking up the dictionary over and over again. In case you don't know, BM is linguistically more challenging than 99% of books on /lit/'s top 100; only Ulysses will send you to dictionaries more.
But being linguistically difficult =/= hard
The narrative might omit some things but it is clear. The ambiguity is nowhere near much to completely confuse the reader as to what he is reading.

>>18791257
this is only a problem for ESLs and/or retards. which are you?

>>18791249
Why are you seething this hard lmao

>>18791268
who's really seething, me or the person crying on an imageboard because they couldn't understand a book?

>>18791262
Nothing wrong with being ESL. EFL people generally don't even speak other languages.

>>18790857
bm sucks but youre an idiot

>>18791270
I understood the book, it is bad.

>>18791270
Honestly? You. This is like your 10th post in this thread seething about ESLs because someone didn't like your favorite book. You're pretty cringe.

>>18791271
>EFL people generally don't even speak other languages.
anglos maybe.
that's fine, but don't lump me in with them. there is no point in knowing another language other than english anyway, whereas you're forced to learn it.
>>18791280
>my favourite book
wrong.

>>18791190
difficulty is not determined by vocabulary

Blood Meridian is thus a low tier of difficulty and Moby Dick medium

>>18791276
this says otherwise >>18790857

>>18791286
I have 0 problems with difficult stories. I generally even prefer them. I just don't like when the pay off of understanding a bloated vocabulary is a "meh" story. Moby Dick is an awesome story, that is why I never bother bitching about its vocabulary on this board.

>>18791262
Forget about me, you are a retard though. You can't even understand what the OP was saying.
>muh difficulty

>>18791286
You should try reading those books because you have to pretty retarded to think MD is in anyway harder than BM

>>18791335
>It implies that OP probably did not enjoy looking up the dictionary over and over again.
>In case you don't know, BM is linguistically more challenging than 99% of books on /lit/'s top 100
>IT'S NOT ABOUT DA DIFFICULTY!! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT OP IS SAYING!!!

>>18791276
You clearly said ITT that you don't understand what he was trying to say, dumbass. Which is it?

>>18791348
>OP says overly complicated language
>BUT DA BLUD MIERDA IS NOT DIFFICULT!!! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME
Stay silent.

>>18791353
keep outing yourself ESL/retard

>>18790696
Avoid Pynchon like the plague. Gass is good.

>>18791356
You can't even read properly ESL/retard
>This retard who kept calling books DA Blud Mierda, DA My dick is accusing others of being ESL
The fuking Irony lel.

>>18791357
Gass can't write a story to save his life. He will come off even more pretentious to OP

>>18790857
>if a book is trying to sell me some philosophical idea, I want those ideas fully fleshed out and clear so I can judge them as good or bad.
babbie wants to be spoonfed. try reading it again alongside a secondary text if this fiction novel was too hard for you.

>>18791349
I understood the book and the story. I just did not get any deeper philosophical idea that seems to be hinted at by the way the author writes. I want to assume that there is no deeper message, what is ok. But the author uses the judge as a vessel of some dumb philosophic mumbo jumbo at times so it gives the impression he is trying to get at something deeper.

>>18791362
you literally can not stop outing yourself, and I just have to sit back and enjoy it.

>>18791369
>>you can't stop outing yourself
Says the ESL/retard. Pic related sweaty ;)

>>18791373
holy shit LMAO I just realised what you're talking about, you think I'm someone else because you can't follow a simple chain of comments properly
>pic rel
>has to imagine that im posting soijacks and IQ memes to feel better about himself
KEK pottery

>>18791367
>I want to assume that there is no deeper message
And you couldn't be more wrong lmao.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/cormacmccarthy/comments/7hp9l3/mccarthy_interpretation_mysticism_nonduality/
See if this helps.
>inb4 reddit
The dude is better read than anyone on this board. Scroll for evidence

>>18791378
No shit dumbass. This place is anonymous.
>retard can't understand what a meme is
What do you get by being so unfunny?

>>18791390
>entering cope mode

>>18791393
Following you ;)
>it took him 6 posts to understand that he wasn't the target audience despite blatant hints.

>>18791402
>you have should known all along that I'm a retard who has trouble following clearly marked comment chains
perhaps reddit is more your speed if the anonymity is too difficult for you

>>18790857
Bro... we read books because the language is enjoyable and skilful. Not to get some end goal, some factoid.

>>18791407
>it took the retard 6 posts to understand that I wasn't talking to him
Clearly it isn't a problem with me. I was talking to the other guy not you from the start. I have no way of knowing it was another retard. If you can't understand something that simple then maybe the internet as a whole is above your double digit IQ level.

>>18790696
I think this post outlived its usefulness. I did not intend to create an arena of war between the anti-BM and pro-BM people, but you know, war endures. Now, what books I should avoid from /lit/'s top 100 and what should I start reading right now?

pic related is my reference.

>>18791423
>resorts to the IQ meme he mocked 5 minutes prior just to defend himself
pottery.

>>18790696
>What other /lit/ recommendations should I avoid?
All of them.

>>18791428
perhaps you should avoid the /lit/ chart altogether and instead refer to the high school curriculum if you had trouble with BM

>>18791435
>keep calling other people retarded
>"Noooo you can't use the IQ meme, it is irony!!!"
Low IQ for sure lmao.

>>18791446
>i-it was irony
like pottery

>>18790857
>I got the vibe that the author was trying to send me some "deep" message.
McCarthy is just trading in nihilism, and not to say something about the universe being inherently meaningless and cruel, but due to the fact he has nothing more to say.

>>18791449
>he doesn't understand irony either
Like Potty

>>18791416
Language that cannot effectively and poignantly deliver the narrative is neither skillful nor enjoyable.

>>18791451
>I-Im operating a level too deep for you to understand, th-thats the really pottery
cope and pottery

>>18791455
>I operate on a deeper level
Unironically yes
>accuse others for not following "comment chain"
>retard himself can't follow it for 6 obvious posts
This is called irony and you are too retarded to not notice it.

>>18791454
It is good it is not the case here except for retards ofc

>>18791466
>thinks he's still talking to the same person
KEK go back to /r/eddit retard

>>18791483
Pretending to be retarded will not save you from actually being retarded.
>durr I am a different person uselessly budging in
Post screencap

>>18791474
With Blood Meridian, you mean?

>>18791428
read whatever book that's in front of you now - why would you listen to the opinion of anyone on this godforsaken hellhole?

>>18791502
Yes

>>18791494
it's pure pottery at this point

>>18791494
and here's the screencap tard

>>18791548
Shuffled your DHCP

>>18791616
this level of cope

Is there anything you liked about the book OP, I’m about to read it in the next few nights.
Also books that you would rec?
Maybe an easy one, a difficult one and your favorite(s)

>>18791548
Post screencap of this>>18791407
>get BTFod
>act even more retarded
Your reddit tactics won't work here retard.

>>18791671
*With the post you replied to

BM is a worthy recommendation because of the experience of reading about brutality through beautiful language. I don't read BM for the philosophy, I read it for the jarring experience.

>>18791671
what the fuck are you talking about hahahaha I've literally broken you

>>18791669

Is op still here I’ll repost.

Is there anything you liked about the book OP, I’m about to read it in the next few nights.
Also books that you would rec?
Maybe an easy one, a difficult one and your favorite(s)

>>18791454
Far out on the desert to the north dustspouts rose wobbling and augered the earth and some said they'd heard of pilgrims borne aloft like dervishes in those mindless coils to be dropped broken and bleeding upon the desert again and there perhaps to watch the thing that had destroyed them lurch onward like some drunken djinn and resolve itself once more into the elements from which it sprang.

>>18791454
STEMbug in action, everybody. Things have to maximally effective in transmitting knowledge, not merely conveying artistic expression.

>>18791735
Post your previous screencap. Of this >>18791402. That's all
>that insecurity
Who is breaking who?
lmao

>>18791342
corncobfag coping hard

>>18791747
>Far out on the desert to the north dustspouts rose *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise* *fart noise*

Wow! Thank you McCarthy for your astounding contribution to literature!

>>18791830
That is literally how it is you schizo nigger.
>muh cope
Read the books you retard.

>>18791847
read Blood Meridian once and Moby Dick four times. Blood Meridian is edgy western capeshit with big words. It offers nothing new or interesting on a thematic, structural, or aesthetic level.

>>18791830
>>18791861
>This coping schizo again
It's time you actually read BM instead of spreading retardation for months on end. Just how badly is corncob living in your head rent free? Kek

>>18791861
>gets completely BTFod a week ago
>so pathetic that you spend rest of your time on this board coping about books you never read
Muh "structural, thematic and aesthetic". Did you not embarrass yourself 2 days ago trying to act like an academic and ended up deleting your posts like a pussy?
You are a fucking embarrassment.

>>18791892
No idea what you are referring to, I haven't posted in one of these threads in weeks. Sort yourself out.

>>18791894
Sure you didn't bud.

>>18791897
Literal schizo mindset. Not gonna tell you to take your meds because I disagree with that, but you should seriously look at the possibility that you're a raving madman.

Half the thread is you screeching about an imaginary samefag bogeyman. Bit unhealthy innit?

One or both of these two is trying to gaslight. If you're the one who isn't gaslighting, you are being gaslit. Be warned. This exchange is giving me slippery pic related vibes.

>>18791901
Yup you are that guy. 100%
You are literally copying the words of the anon that destroyed your tranny pussy. LMAO! And I just came here.
>be creative
Rings bells?
You should actually take your meds. You are hating a writer simply because his fans destroyed you. Really pathetic.

>>18791908
I get the sense now that you're just false flagging. Pretty based actually.

>>18791909
>Deflecting to end conversation
Yes, invent narratives. That is all you do.

>failure to launch
>polemical innovation
>gratuitous violence

Hypocrite that you are, you cannot see the forest for the trees and seek to sow the seeds of doubt in the virgin fields of truth. But you do this all with a deliberate malice, and I have caught scent of it.

Run along now, squirm like the necrotic parasite you really are under your fine veneers and grand parapets of human disguise. I have you, I will find you, and I will punish you for your errant deception.

>>18790857
>while the language was overly complicated
english books are not for you. mccarthy had his dick in a thesaurus but it is by no means "overly complicated".
>send me some "deep" message
the 'deep message' (violence is eternal) should have been visible by the second or third chapter.
books pacing is shit and overall repetitive but you are a massive cuntfaggot.
as far as >>18790696
all translated works suck, go read something in your native language.

>>18791944
based and accurate post

>>18791892
>>18791908
>>18791922
>>18791932
Real schizo hours who tf up?

>>18791954
>>18791901
>>18791861
>>18791840

>>18791960
Yeah these are all me I won't bother hiding it. This would be impressive detective work if you didn't also mistakenly correlate with some other random anon from 2 days ago.

OP here.
To all those that took the bait. Kek

>>18790696
>What other /lit/ recommendations should I avoid?
Against nature
Book of disquiet
The stranger
Journey to the end of the night
All western philosophy
Not sure what top 100 you used but the rest is usually alright but the postmodern novels may filter you

>>18791257
>The ambiguity is nowhere near much to completely confuse the reader as to what he is reading.
What about the weekly thread we have discussing the ending?

>>18791908
>>18791932
lmao you guys are sonething else. the level if cope you go to to defend your faggy books is hilarious. no one knows what you are talking about nigga

>>18790696
BM is good but also is so fucking overrated here

>>18792111
You are so mad you can't even type properly. Calm down nigger
Does truth hurt?

>>18790857
BM should stand for Bowel Movement. Race woke-ness, gay scene at the end. So much for a hardcore western. baka

>>18792170
and yet /pol/troons still love it because muh guns muh pewpew so hardcore

pretty funny stuff

>>18790969
>BM is literally on the basic level of literature.
If you're not familiar with the canon you have no idea what Blood Meridian is about

>>18792170
>gay scene at the end
Headcanon

>>18791782
happy now, freud? holy fuck you're a dumb schizo

>>18791047
>the Blood Meridian
>the Moby Dick
Fucking retard.

>Captcha: WOH JAK

>>18792217
Ofc the ip shuffle removed all your (you)s, that is all I wanted.
I knew you were a fucking falseflagging butthurt retard. You felt like pic related while doing that didn't you?

>>18790857
This is a funny post

>>18791735
>I LITERALLINO BROKE YOU
not him, but this is embarassing. stop now.

>>18792297
KEK take your meds cunt
>>18792347
>not him
so why do you give a fuck

>>18792414
>try to act like 2 different people
>fuck up because retarded
>"ha-haha t-take your meds"
Take yours.

>>18792417
the only place I "fucked up" was in that schizo head of yours

>>18792421
If you weren't so dumb you would have figured what I was doing asking the screecaps.
Can't expect much retards though kek.

>>18792427
no idea what you think you've "proven"

>>18791944
It is overly complicated. Why would I search words on a thesaurus just to describe the desert over and over and over? I got it the first 100 times, the desert is dry and has bones in it. I said it is overly complicated not because this amount of synonym use is inherent bad but because he uses it to describe the fucking scenery over and over, in a way that sounds unnecessary and makes things very boring(for me). Also, war != violence, you can have war without violence and violence without war, the judge also alludes to "the dance" in a way that seems more expansive than the usual definitions of the word "war" as some metaphysical struggle between wills and even says "war is God" at some point, what makes thing even more complicated.

I don't read translated, I prefer to read the books in their native languages.

>>18792443
You will have to understand the "mechanics" of posting

>>18792453
kek ok freud

>>18791984
Book of disquiet is good, I like Pessoa, his works in Portuguese are also very good.

The stranger is ok, most people will enjoy it more as kids tho, gives me edgy teenage vibes

All western philosophy. What? To late, already got my degree in this stuff lol.

>>18792450
>>18792463
You're actually pretty based. We share a lot of opinions. What's your favourite book?

>>18790696
Stop being a cuck.

What a strange thread.
Anyway,So BM-fags, can any of you lay down the philosophy in ten sentences or less?

>>18793704
war... war never changes... spits... rapes and eats a kid

>>18792450
You have to master the prose, say nothing at all, be obscurantist and suck up to the right people (like franzen and DFW did with NY intelligentsia), maintain a persona and you can be among the greatest literary minds of today.

>>18790696
Infinite Jest

>>18793704
When push comes to shove, savages multiply. Most are posers though.
>>18793799
>advising "Sneed"
LMFAO

>>18792450
>cannot gleam words by context
you should feel bad
>you can have war without violence and violence without war
no. swords and guns aren't the only kind of violence and warring is inherent to violence.
>metaphysical struggle between wills and even says "war is God" at some point, what makes thing even more complicated.
how is any of this complicated. this is highschool imsodeep philosophy. it reads like a 16 year olds manifesto.

>>18793732
The question was for BMfags.

>>18791428
It's a decent list. Obviously too much Dostoevsky and too Anglocentric