/lit/ - Literature

It's as good as the "adult fiction" they mention, as in pop fiction/airport novels whatever.

Childish and childishly worded poster in the YA section.
>right where it belongs

>>18760836
No, by definition if they were they would just be considered novels. The genre necessitates elements that can neatly be digested by adolescents. This picture is just casual post modernist cope.

>>18760836
>It's OK
Stopped reading there and agree entirely. YA is neither bad nor good, it's "ok". There are worse things to read, there are better things to read. At the end of the day, I'm wasting my time posting on an anonymous basket-weaving supply chain, tumblrtards are empowering the act of regressing back into childhood.

>>18760850

The problem with YA is the themes are so base level and the plot is such boring easy trash that reading it inevitably becomes a waste of your time and life. Why would you wanna fill your precious time with books like that? May work for some people but the majority on this board want to be taken on a grand, life changing adventure and not to Derek’s magical, politically correct, backyard with the token black, gay for no reason, love interest.

>>18760856
>Why would you wanna fill your precious time with books like that?
I don't know why people do this shit. Have you ever watched a soap opera or a shitty made for TV thriller? They're visual noise with zero art in it. The pipeline to produce these things must be the most dull thing imaginable.

>>18760836
how condescending. what sort of person would find this comforting or reassuring?

>>18760836
As an oldfag I find YA to just be weird, it did not really exist in my day. They serve their purpose, which is more social than literary, which is fine by me and they are as good as "real novels" in that they fulfill the role intended and in time there will probably be YA novels written with a more literary purpose.

>>18760891
A great deal of classic literature is essentially a soap opera but people give it a pass because it is well written despite being filled with the same banal drama.

No

>>18760836
>these days
probably true

>>18760836
ots the same as coming of age/teenage movies. pretty dull, always the same themes and endings. 100% of the time there will be a romance plot, school/university sucks, first sexual encounters, feeling lost in the world because that applies to every teenager, especially those who read books in todays world. for the actual audience it is good/ok, but adults who read this and enjoy it are just low brain tier. so all in all, young adult books are the same as books for women

>>18760836
Alright bros, confession time. I recently read these YA sci-fi novels and absolutely loved them. How do cope?

>>18762066
And while I’m here, I think I’ll have to confess that the sci-fi book I’m writing will probably be considered YA if it ever gets published. It doesn’t have YA themes or a teen protagonist or a love triangle or anything, but my writing style is quite simple and I refrain from any curse words (I make my own up) and any time sex is mentioned it’s pretty much glossed over

>>18760836
Holy cringe
An adult reading YA is like an adult eating candy for their meals

Sometimes, yeah. Actually, it’s largely an English language phenomenon that occurs when everything is neatly segregated into this or that genre and this genre is okay but that one isn’t. Other languages don’t do that so much.

>>18760854
>the real Sarah Connor who went back in time and destroyed skynet before it could invent the time machine

>>18760836
this kind of thinking ruined my local library it is nothing but this YA garbage now

I think in this context 'adult fiction' means Clancy and Grisham, so they have a point.

>>18760836
No. I wanted to believe it for a while, but the ratio between shit YA and good YA is like 100000:1. Adult books are good, children's books are good, but YA is almost entirely shit.

>>18760836
>in fact, you'll find they often have provocative themes and complex characters

>>18762424
>provocative themes
friends are good! U R special. don't be mean to gay ppl >:(
>complex characters
the antagonist is named Hdolf Aitler

teach me more, YA literature.

>>18762080
very cute mr shoultz

>>18762066
These are actually pretty good. They are more like college YA than anything else, but definitely still in that realm. Most scifi is.

>>18760836
A lot of good books can be considered YA. All the Pretty Horses and Hunger Games, for example. They might not be high art but they are fun and easy to read. Better than watching tv

>>18762059
When I was a kid I hated the "urban person is thrown into a fantasy world", I liked Neverending Story but I hated the ending where the kid rides the dragon. Same with the beginning in Labyrinth where the fantasy shit encroached the IRL life of the girl. I wanted the fantasy to be separated from real life if it was another world. I still have that feeling, like if you're making some kind of urban fantasy, e.g. ghost hunters in modern Japan, that's fine, but Isekai style shit irks me conceptually.

>>18760836
YA should only be a phase and adults who still read the said genre are either nostalgic for something they never experienced, or they have nothing going in their lives so they instead try and live in a fantasy filled world.

>>18762417
The ration of shit non-YA to non-shit non-YA is about the same.

>>18763056
>r they have nothing going in their lives so they instead try and live in a fantasy filled world.
ktim

>>18762775
You should read Gene Wolfe’s The Wizard Knight. It’s more or less what you refer to as isekai but it’s really a higher caliber than anything in a isekai Japanese light novel or run-of-the-mill children’s story.

>>18763056
Life sucks. If you are so eager to “grow up” and read your mundane bullshit because you think it makes you mature, then I actually pity you more than I think you pity me.

>>18763119
There is nothing mundane about literature. In fact, if it is mundane it is not literature at all. YA novels tend to fit the definition of "mundane" more often than not as well.

I think both Foucault and Spellmeyer talk about language and rhetoric a bit, specifically in the context of writing papers in academia, but the point still stands.
They found that most students when asked what revisions they would make to a paper if they had more time decided they would use a Thesaurus to change words. They argued that this was absolutely retarded and did nothing to either expand an exiting point or create a new one. Word choice, while important, is not everything. It's different if you're writing poetry or guilty pleasure fiction, because then the information is secondary to the delivery.

>>18763142
There’s nothing explicitly not mundane about it either. There are plenty of non-YA books which are every bit as dull as the worst YA so there’s no reason to write off YA exclusively for mere fact of being YA.

YA doesn't have relationships with domineering women

>>18763160
The best works of literature are always going to be superior to the best works of YA fiction, by the simple fact YA books deal with themes that are most relevant to children and adolescents, and can't ever be more complex than that. The fact that so many adults seem to enjoy them is a worrying trend, since this means they are still emotionally stuck on a child-like stage, and simply never learned to read beyond the surface level, for the purpose of entertainment only.

>>18763183
It’s a meaningless distinction and you’re just presenting the idea of what’s the best and what comprises the best is a degree of complexity which we could debate until we’re blue in the face. YA is a commercial distinction and has little relevance beyond the realm of buying and selling books.

>>18760836
I'm not convinced that YA is even as good as children's books.

>>18763346
I would think a lot worse of an adult reading a YA book than of an adult reading a Children's book.

>>18763115
Why would I read this if I dislike this concept specifically?

>>18762424
>provocative characters
Not under the watch of these condescending cunts. Can't have shit in YA without sucking sensitivity reader dick for it.