/lit/ - Literature

>>18730140
Nabokov should have died in a gulag

>>18730142
Seethe, Tankie

>>18730142
Nabokov is the kind of man they would have been afraid to put in a gulag

>>18730140
Nobody takes Nabokov‘s retarded views on literature seriously, why should we care about his even more retarded and unfounded views on complex socio-economics?

>>18730184
>t. Marxist

>>18730195
You can cope as much as you want but he was mentally deranged and just happened to be good at writing by accident

>>18730140
>Another horrible paradox about Leninism is that these materialists found it possible to squander the lives of millions of real people for the sake of the hypothetical millions that would be happy some day.
Well yes, capitalism is a rapacious evil. A state centralized version of it isn’t any better.

>>18730142
a commie resorts to violence when presented with an intelligent opinion opposed to his dogma, predictable
>>18730184
they weren't unfounded. materialism = lack of belief in the human soul = lack of belief in the afterlife, if you're a materialist then you cannot justify making actual living people's lives miserable to better the circumstances of hypothetical progeny. ironically commies are very similar to pro-life fundamentalists here - they want to sacrifice an actual being (a developed woman with dreams and aspirations) for the sake of a potential being (a cluster of cells) because of some Aristotelian mumbo-jumbo about actuality and potentiality
>>18730227
state capitalism is a contradiction in terms

>>18730227
How is duping a bunch of peasants, Jews, and ideologues into working themselves to death on a cabal that was never even designed to be viable capitalism? If it was capitalism someone should’ve have at least made a few bucks

>>18730140
This seems like a propaganda aimed at ignorant foreigner. Nabokov was too smart to glorify the pre-revolutionary Russia, and, in fact, spoke of it differently in other works, even ridiculed the hardcore monarchists and other types of fellow emigrants. Decades of “barbarous rule” resulted in horrible outcome, and he could not miss that.

But Nabokov's critiques of ideological approaches to art are the best nonetheless.

>>18730140
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-prophet-post-communism-vladimir-nabokov-and-russian-politics

>>18730146
>>18730265
I'm not a commie, I just hate Nabokov.
>>18730157
Why? Because he would have caught all the butterflies?

>>18730309
After 1905 Russia underwent rapid modernization both economically and politically. It was the fastest growing economy and some argue that Stolypin's reforms could have averted the October Revoluton. Ironically the myth that Russia was some kind of antiquated retrograde absolute monarchy was propagated by the communists, it had nothing to do with the monarchist dissidents

>>18730265
The Soviets did improve the real material conditions of workers though. Believing otherwise is just pure cope. Look at how the average person in Russia lived in 1917 and in 1953. It's not even comparable. By the end of Stalin's life, the average soviet citizen lived roughly as well as the average American. You guys are always falling for dumbass lib propaganda

>>18730376
>GDP per capita falls after a massive change of economic system
Wow, shocking! So this is the fabled power of Marxist economics?

>>18730386
lel are you seriously arguing the end of the Soviet Union was good for Russians? It was a genocide by western nations

>>18730386
That post mentioned nothing about gdp, you fucking mongoloid.

Incidentally, the best gdp episode is the one with the skinny Indian girl.

>>18730376
And all that after 2 world wars, a civil war, immense losses and destruction. Americans would've lived in mud huts eating acorns if the roles where reversed.

>>18730439
>gdp
Episode 486. Good luck finding it however as the copyright vultures seem to be all over that one in particular

>>18730140
>Public opinion was always liberal and progressive.
No wonder they got killed. Thankfully, as well.

>>18730344
That's what Nabokov could say, too. He used language American would understand when speaking about parties and law, but skipped over the fact that the first parliament to have any parties had only appeared in the beginning of the century. Then it was considered not comfortable enough for the state, and was literally undone. Questioning the foundations of society in print was prohibited, to keep it safe. Government actively limited the amount of people getting higher education, to keep it safe. Progressive changes that were so dear to the Nabokov's because of his family and upbringing were results of personal battles with people trying to keep it safe. Russian Empire tried so hard to protect the status quo that in the end absolutely no one saw any value in that. It was easy to attack “all the old shit” in 1917 because it existed, and people experienced it, even if they were not aligned with Socialists at all.

Economic growth had happened for decades before, because of industrialization, as in the rest of the western world. Dostoevsky wrote about the modern western man. Tolstoy preached to the modern western man. Checkhov smiled at the modern western man. Capitalist exploitation of a common worker was criticized as hard as exploitation of the serfs had been. The Bolsheviks themselves were the product of Modern society.

Instead of this, I insist on you reading “The Triumph of Virtue” that has finally been translated recently. The rest of the book, too.
http://libgen.lc/item/index.php?md5=B93BC6EE7529298E6FCBEF67003B6503

>intelligencia didn’t like the Soviet government
Holy shit how could this happen?

>>18730227

>>18730140

>Pedophile criticizes marxism for not allowing certain "freedoms"

Nothing is new under the sun

>>18730142
how's middle school going

>His father was Vladimir Dmitrievich Nabokov (1870–1922), a liberal lawyer, statesman, and journalist, and his mother was the heiress Yelena Ivanovna née Rukavishnikova, the granddaughter of a millionaire gold-mine owner. His father was a leader of the pre-Revolutionary liberal Constitutional Democratic Party, and wrote numerous books and articles about criminal law and politics.[11] His cousins included the composer Nicolas Nabokov. His paternal grandfather, Dmitry Nabokov (1827–1904), was Russia's Justice Minister during the reign of Alexander II. His paternal grandmother was the Baltic German Baroness Maria von Korff (1842–1926). Through his father's German ancestry, Nabokov was related to the composer Carl Heinrich Graun (1704–1759).

>Picture: the Nabokov family mansion in St. Petersburg

Why would such a person oppose marxism???

>>18732115
every time

>>18730142
>>18730157
>>18730184
>>18730216
>>18732052
CAN YOU ZOOMERS PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT GOOD WRITERS IN A DEROGATORY WAY PLEASE??? VLADDY BOY LITERALLY WROTE ONE OF, IF NOT THE GREATEST PROSE PORTRAIT OF THE 20TH CENTURY AND YOUR ON THE INTERNET TALKING SHIT. GROW UP FAGGOT.

IF YOU CAN WRITE GOOD YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND THATS A FACT

>>18730140
>>Under the Tsars (despite the inept and barbarous character of their rule) a freedom-loving Russian had incomparably more possibility and means of expressing himself than at any time during Lenin’s and Stalin’s regime. He was protected by law. There were fearless and independent judges in Russia. The Russian sud after the Alexander reforms was a magnificent institution, not only on paper. Periodicals of various tendencies and political parties of all possible kinds, legally or illegally, flourished and all parties were represented in the Dumas. Public opinion was always liberal and progressive.
This really is the tragic part. Under reactionary Czarism, literature had far more freedom to grow and blossom, while after 1917 Russian literature was basically smothered to death.

>>18732217
and that wonderful russian literature was still there, except now the russian people could actually read it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odM4HjF6V28

>>18732236
>Stalin ordered Dostoyevsky forbidden because he would corrupt the youth, even though he personally loved Dosto
Yeah sure, now they can read him.
And while the written works were still there, the spirit that produced them was dead, which is why the USSR produced practically nothing that would come even close to 19th century Russian lit, because everything had to be sanitized.
If Dostoyevsky grew up in the USSR he would never have written anything, because the soviets would not have tolerated anything except pre-planned state propaganda.

>>18730140
'ate Nabokov
'ate Marxism
luv Cervantes
luv Faulkner
simple as

>>18732185
what you fail to understand is that most people shitting on Nabokov had a Nabokov phase a few years earlier

>>18730140
what a gay retard
of course he didn't like communism, the whole point of it is to liquidate degenerate slime like him

Tankies seething so bad.
Lovely.

>>18732257
>Stalin ordered Dostoyevsky forbidden because he would corrupt the youth, even though he personally loved Dosto
this is just plainly false, Dostoyevsky was never banned in the Soviet Union

>>18732306
>Dostoyevsky was never banned in the Soviet Union
stalin's only mistake

>>18732412
Stalin's only achievement

>>18732443
on second thought yes, if dostoyevsky was coasting on some epic banned writer shit like solzhenitsyn...good god. we dodged the most insufferable bullet of all time there

>>18730140
>More people like the system, but those who dont are not allowed to express their opinion
>Less people like the system, but those who dont are allowed to express their opinion
Intresting choice

>>18730140
a very good writer but also the most extreme case of main character syndrome in mainstream literature

Did nabokov ever make comments on pynchon?

>>18732790
"goofy faggot"

>>18732769
if you've got it flaunt it
that's what i say

>>18732115
I think the takeaway here is that no matter what political profile you decide to support, if you are poor you are always getting shafted.
It literally doesn't matter what your ideal model is: Nazism, monarchy, a tribal gift economy, the rich will always be on top. They have more sheer resources. And you will get fucked at the first sign of instability. No matter what you think is the best way to fight the war, no matter who you want to be at war with, you will always, always be the first line of infantry.

>>18732115
Thread should've been over after this post

>>18732306
Do I need to explain to you what widespread public condemnation meant in the 30s? Officially sanctioned, of course, as nothing in print wasn't. Collected works of Dostoevsky were printed by Academy as the fulfillment of the task to publish authors who suffered under the Tsarist regime, and some of his novels were published here and there once or twice, but it was nothing compared even to second rate Societ authors. Only in the second half of the century religiosity became acceptable quirk of the artistic kind, but still no researcher could expect to write anything substantial on religious themes in his works.

What Stalin did and didn't like is of no interest to me.

>>18732635
>be dostoyevsky
>get sent to gulag
>write some of the greatest literature of all time
>be solzhenitsyn
>get sent to gulag
>crypost for the cia for a few decades

>>18732921
and pray tell who told you all of this, because none of it is true

>>18732878
You should've read more books.

> Anniversary (Essay, 1927)

> In these days when there wafts from over there the cadaver stench of an anniversary, why not celebrate our anniversary, too? Ten years of contempt, ten years of loyalty, ten years of freedom—does this not deserve at least one anniversary speech?

> You have to know how to be contemptuous. We have learned the science of contempt to perfection. We are so sated with it that at times we’re too lazy even to mock its cause. A slight trembling of the nostrils, a momentary squint of the eyes—and silence. But, today, let us speak.

> Ten years of contempt…I feel contempt not toward a person, not toward the worker Sidorov, an honest member of some kind of Kom-pom-pom, but toward that ugly, obtuse little idea that turns Russian simpletons into communist nincompoops, which turns people into a new species of ant: Formica marxi var. lenini. I cannot bear the saccharine taste of philistinism that I sense in everything Bolshevik. A philistine boredom wafts from the gray pages of Pravda, a philistine anger sounds in the Bolshevik’s political outcries, philistine nonsense has swelled his poor head. They say Russia has grown more stupid, which is hardly surprising….It has grown thick with backwoods backwardness: with its rapacious provincial accountants, its young ladies who read Verbitskaya and Seifullina, its wretchedly whimsical theater, and its placid drunkard, sprawled in the middle of the dusty street.

> I despise the communist faith as the idea of the basest equality, as a dull page in the festive history of humanity, as a denial of earthly and unearthly beauty, as something idiotically encroaching on my free “I,” as a promoter of ignorance, obtuseness, and complacency. The strength of my contempt lies in the fact that I, in feeling contemptuous, do not let myself think about the blood that has been spilled. Its strength lies also in the fact that I do not regret, in bourgeois despair, the loss of my estate, my house, the gold bullion not hidden skillfully enough in the depths of a toilet. An idea doesn’t commit murder, a person does—and will face a special reckoning—but whether I forgive or not, that is a question of a different order. Thirst for revenge should not get in the way of the purity of the contempt. Indignation is always helpless.

>>18732948
>n-no
Commies really are a bunch of fat babies. You're a literal subhuman, hahahahaha

>>18732953

> And not only ten years of contempt…We’re celebrating ten years of loyalty. We’re loyal to Russia not just in the way you remain faithful to a memory, we don’t only love it, as you love your fleeting childhood, your fugitive youth—no, we’re loyal to that Russia we could be proud of, a Russia created slowly and measuredly and a vast state among other vast states. But what is it now, where is she to go now, this Soviet widow, this poor relation of Europe?…We are faithful to her past, we are happy with it, and a wonderful feeling grips us when, in a faraway country, we hear how admiring talk repeats names we have loved from childhood. We are a wave of Russia that has overflowed its shores, we have flooded the whole world, but our wanderings are not always cheerless, and our valiant yearning for our homeland does not always prevent our enjoying an alien country, a refined solitude in the alien electric night on a bridge, in a square, in a station. And even though it is now clear to us how different we are, and though it sometimes seems that there is not one, but a thousand thousand Russias wandering the earth, at times wretched and spiteful, at times warring among themselves, there is nonetheless something linking us all, some kind of common drive, a common spirit, which the future historian will understand and appreciate.

> And at the same time we are celebrating ten years of freedom. Such freedom as we know perhaps no other nation has known. In that peculiar Russia, which invisibly surrounds us, which animates and holds us, which saturates our souls and colors our dreams, there isn’t a single law other than the law of the love we feel toward it, and there is no ruler apart from our own conscience. We can say anything about it, write anything about it, we have nothing to hide, and there is no censorship to place obstacles before us, we are the free citizens of our dream. Our scattered nation, our nomadic state, is fortified by this freedom, and someday we will be grateful to blind Clio for giving us the chance to partake of this freedom and to understand deeply and to feel our homeland acutely in exile.

> In these days when the gray anniversary of the USSR is being celebrated, we celebrate ten years of contempt, loyalty, and freedom. Let’s not take to reproving exile. Over these days, let us repeat the words of that ancient warrior of whom Plutarch writes, “At night, in deserted fields far from Rome, I pitched my tent, and my tent was Rome to me.”

>>18732944
>MUH CIA IS THE ONLY REASON FAGUNISM AND MARXKIKE FAILED, OY VEY
Wow you are a brainlet

>>18732958
So you don't have any actual source for your claims. I've studied literature in the Soviet Union so I know you're the one lying. If you would like to bring up any evidence, be my guest

>>18732115
the mansion looks like shit

>>18732975
I'm not making any claims, you subhuman marxist barn animal. I'm laughing at your idiocy.
>studied literature in the Soviet Union
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Make sure you get 10 doses of the vaccine, you big govt, big pharma-trusting commiecuck.
>studied literature in the Soviet Union
Whos the idiot?
>raises hand
OH NONONONO

>>18733019
this is pretty good bait

>>18732948
What has Lenin said about Dostoevsky?
What has Gorky said about Dostoevsky?
What have Soviet pre-war critical publications and course books said about that reactionary writer?
Were there any sizeable print runs of Dostoevsky books in the first decades of Soviet era that I missed?

>>18730140
>Without its obscurities and abracadabra, without its pernicious reticences, shamanic incantations and magnetic trash, Marxism is not Marxism.
How to write something without saying anything. Bravo.

Communists are the definition of pseuds. They are too stupid to stop and think why global megacorps openly espouse unpopular far left values while donating billions to far left causes. Or why the supposed communist "revolutionaries" can burn down cities and beat up cops for months and are given the "revolving door treatment" at the police station over and over again...while many openly admit far leftism was coopted by the CIA decades ago (but all other conspiracy theories are far right schizo bullshit apparently), this doesn't stop them from falling for it and attacking the only actual dissidents (ethno nats).

>>18733028
>gets laughed at
>"haha le bait right fellow marxcucks xdd"
>proceeds to fucks its ruined marxhole wirh a horse dildo while whining to redd1t about racism
You're a faggot and a retard.

>>18733048
Awww poor commiecuck is upset that somebody more successful than they are is yet again taking a giant shit all over "her" pathetic plebian excuse for an ideology.

>>18733051
>Communists are the definition of pseuds. They are too stupid to stop and think why global megacorps openly espouse unpopular far left values while donating billions to far left causes.
This is a low iq take. Megacorps pander to *culturally* left causes because they always pander to what's fashionable. They don't support anything close to what could be considered "far left" causes like abolishing the police or worker control of industry.

>>18733051
suck a dick bitch nigga

>>18730142
go take a bath
https://www.brighteon.com/504f4c24-2f95-4cce-9cd4-61a52ac82000

>>18733076
I work in investment banking lmao. Nabokov is just clearly out of his depth discussing marxism.

>>18730184
>complex socio-economics

>>18733096
>They don't support anything close to what could be considered "far left" causes like abolishing the police or worker control of industry.
HAHAHAHA

Yes they do you absolute brainlet. Megacorps and economic elite give billions to radical leftist groups like antifa or blm (who are not just "culturally leftist" you disengenuous fag) or other groups which work behind the scenes buying off lawyers and politicians so that radical leftist policies can be set forth to further ruin our societies. The system fully endorses antifa and blm, despite their far left politics. Once your unequivocally fucking retarded far left ideas have been implemented it'll immeditaly fall apart, allowing the elites who funded it to consolidate absolute power over our ruined societies. They use your faggot retard leftist ideology to subvert our societes, and you're too caught up huffing slavoj zizek farts to stop and think about it critically, because you're a pseud. The endgame for these people is what the chicoms have; whether that is actually far left or not in your opinion doesn't matter. Tens of millions of far leftist retards support the chicoms. Charlie Munger and Bill Gates and all globalist "elites" do as well, because they want neofeudalism, so what we can pragmatically call COMMUNISM

You stupid pseud faggot.

>>18733164
No you don't, you're some faggot 16 year old who is impressed by marxism because your brain is underdeveloped. This is the typical marxist. It is a truly plebian, inferior ideology.

>>18730140
Absolutely filtered

>>18730140
>"I have friends and family who lived there throughout almost its entire lifetime and yeah it sucked"
>NOOOOOO IT WAS ACTUALLY THE GREATEST THING EVER JUST READ 10000 PAGES OF THEORY FIRST THEN YOULL GET IT

>>18733193
>thinking the average marxcuck has actually thoroughly read and understood marx
Lel, giving em too much credit

>>18733051
>They are too stupid to stop and think why global megacorps openly espouse unpopular far left values while donating billions to far left causes.
This sentence made me sad.

>>18733172
Please try to seethe less when writing your posts, they are already painful to read as they are.
>Yes they do you absolute brainlet. Megacorps and economic elite give billions to radical leftist groups like antifa or blm
How you would you go about donating to antifa you damn brainlet do you think they have a CEO too?
BLM may be formally Socialist but they aren't working in any way to subvert the current economic systems and are focused on social issues.
The rest of your post is off topic rambling. The bottom line is that there are no big corporations donating to far left groups in terms of state structure or the economy. Now try to make a coherent response this time.

>>18733206
They don't lol it's just intellectual dishonesty. They'll never understand that the left is dying because of their inability to accept the cartoonish failure of the Soviet project and modify their strategies based on that fact

>>18733180
I wish I was 16. Also, I'm confused how you came to the conclusion that I'm impressed by marxism or that I'm a marxist.

>>18733224
Antifa is funded by nonprofits run by the same people that organize the "decentralized" protests over Telegram. You would think this wouldn't be possible because feds would go after them on terrorism charges, but they get away with it for the same reason every arrested antifa protestor gets let go by city district attorneys: government workers sympathize with them. Contrary to what Hollywood and Chomsky would have you believe government employees are not James Bond and Joseph McCarthy clones, they're pathetic bureaucrats that have BLM bumper stickers and wear gay pride shirts at work every day.

>>18733224
You're literally too stupid/disengenuous to debate. Antifa absolutely have big money backing them as well as the permanent bureaucratic state apparatus. Who pays their bail and has the money to buy off all the lawyers and politicians setting thousands of them free all year? Right wingers dont get this. Compare the 2021 capitol protests to the 2017 protests by antifa, and look at the way big tech, the media and the govt establishment have treated them. Blm are openly marxist and work towards far left retard policies like defunding the police. They get billions of dollars every year from big banks alone. Big tech will ban center-right figures who support Trump but will not say a word about far left extremists spreading their schizophrenia on their platforms. And all these academic insitutions funded by the same globalist entities are preaching marxism and far leftism, the big corps couldn't care less and continue to support them. Because this idiocy that you buy into is used to subvert societies like ours, where morons like you are easily lead into tyranny. I could go on and on.

You really do not have any strong arguments, which is why you can't even respond to the majority of what I type, and instead just repeat your 90 IQ talking point or say you don't like the way I hastily write. Keep coping, you're a brainlet and I would also guess female, which gives you a retard pass in my eyes, so I won't bully you to harshly.

>>18733283
Oh you just sound like a faggot child making it up as you go
>I'm le investment banker
This is the same as "my dad works at nintendo" and I've heard it many times by other juveniles like yourself who think doing such a gay, stupid job is actually cool because they saw a wall st movie.

>>18733295
>Compare the 2021 capitol protests to the 2017 protests by antifa, and look at the way big tech, the media and the govt establishment have treated them.
almost like they're two different things

people who come on 4chan and cry about muh antifa were bullied in school and never had a rebellious phase as teens. spiritual boomers

>>18733293
>Antifa is funded by nonprofits run by the same people that organize the "decentralized" protests over Telegram. You would think this wouldn't be possible because feds would go after them on terrorism charges
No dummy, the point is that there is nothing to fund because antifa doesn't have formal organization

>>18732257
US for it's whole existence didn't produce practically nothing that would come even close to the 19th century lit too.

>>18733164
Don’t you have a PowerPoint to fix? Enjoy working for $15 an hour wagecuck

>>18733295
bro you got a bad case of america brain

You are the actual dimwits reasoning in political stereotypes whom Nabokov despised. Begone!

>>18733304
Alright. I still have no clue how you came to your conclusions but I assume it will remain a mystery.

>>18733331
There are people leading the protests that organize them, hence the term ORGANIZation. These people receive money through non-profits that they also own (that are unrelated to antifa on paper). The money is used to buy transportation, gear, weapons, posters, water, advertisements, etc for the protesters. You're a retard if you think that Antifa doesn't have structure because there's no "Antifa Inc." registered as a business with the government.

>>18732257
US during it's whole existence produced practically nothing that would come even close to 19th century Russian lit too.

>>18733295
You didn't make any arguments.
>You're literally too stupid/disengenuous to debate. Antifa absolutely have big money backing them as well as the permanent bureaucratic state apparatus. Who pays their bail and has the money to buy off all the lawyers and politicians setting thousands of them free all year?
Given that you can't fund a group without formal organization I can only assume that you think antifa has a "secret" organization that is simultaneously known by all billionaires eager to fund them. Is this what you actually think? Wouldn't be surprising for a /pol/tard. But there is no other way to make that argument without going in wild speculation (or should I say conspiratard) territory.
>Blm are openly marxist and work towards far left retard policies like defunding the police.
Defunding the police in poor black communities resulting in more poor blacks getting killed is the closest to "far left" policies you would see. These companies would never support actual replacement of the police with community policing, so your conflation of all this with Communism is peek muddle-headedness. There are no big corporations actually supporting Communism or Anarchism. You just think that way because you are a dumb /pol/tard.

>>18730142
Based.

>>18733385
How does Bezos fund antifa if they don't have a formal structure? Is he looking at facebook posts and emailing cash to everyone who has #antifa in their profile picture? Take one (1) minute to think how all this could actually "work" in the real world.

>>18730265
Violence is the supreme authority by which all authority is derived from. Communist violence is based.

>>18733429
>How does Bezos fund antifa if they don't have a formal structure?
Not that I necessarily agree with whatever theory this is but if you put some money at the top of a pyramid it will move down to the lower ranks. If you want to fund a bunch of peasants doing guerrilla you don't have to go and give money to the peasants, give money to the people who in turn organize the people who organize them.

>>18733429
Because the people organizing the protests are serial political activists with experience, not just literally whos on social media. BLM is one of the formal organizations where donated money goes to funding antifa riots, all of the non-profits involved are well-known

>>18732834
This

There will always be a rich and poor, a powerful and not, the workers will never be in control. There is no hope.

>>18733019
Bait

>>18733061
Touch grass

>>18733193
I don’t need theory to see that capitalism is shit and killing the bourgeoise is a good thing.

>>18733403
Emerson is solid

>>18733452
The point is that there is no "pyramid", only the bottom of the pyramid.

>>18733462
Do you understand how funding works? It doesn't matter how experienced the organizers are. Let's say that you wanted to fund a group of protesters who organized using facebook. How would you go about it? Would you drop a post saying hey guys, big antifa fan here, please give me your emails so I can send you free masks? And at this point we are already in fantasy land territory since you have provided no evidence whatever that antifa is being funded and I am simply trying to show you that your theory doesn't even internally makes sense.
The fact that you think big corporations support Communism shows how incoherent your political perceptions are. What do you think Communism is? Is it China? Do you actually think Bezos support China and wants America to adopt the Chinese model? This is what happens when you take all your political views from the internet, completely different movements are lumped together under overstretched meaningless labels.

>>18733310
An astute observation. Antifa beat up and charged at police officers, caused millions in damage to businesses, blocked off entrances to the event and beat up old people. They were cleared of all charges, hundreds of them. Some Qtards and federal agents were LET IN to a federal building, walked around and someone took a shit. These people have been in jail for months many without charges and are being psychologically and sometimes physically abused. Compare the way the media treats thede two groups too.

You obviously couldn't care less about truth and true justice. You are a pleb.

>>18733366
>no argument
>"bro"
>not even american
You're an idiot.

>>18733638
>Antifa beat up and charged at police officers, caused millions in damage to businesses, blocked off entrances to the event and beat up old people. They were cleared of all charges, hundreds of them.
Why don't you post your sources then.

>>18733051
None of this shit has anything to do with Communism. Stop injecting your American culture war shit into everything

>>18733405
Billionaires fud groups which pay their bail and pay district attorneys to let them go. That alone tells you all you need to know. You are a terrible critical thinker which is why you have such dfficulty understanding why billionaires would back highly subversive leftist groups to destabilise society.
>MUH POL
I don't use pol, but the average teen poltard is more intelligent than you are, truly. Back to r3ddit, halfwit.

>>18733629
Charlie Munger is on-record praising china, all these globalists love communist china because it is unlimited slave labour. You're so stupid lmfao, guess that's why you're a leftist pleb.

>>18733644
My sources are the primary sources of video footage we have of them doing exactly this before the trump inauguration. The fact that you're so blissfully unaware of this says alot. It says you are unable to leave the msm/google/big tech safespace, which makes this stuff harder to find. But it is still out there, any 16 year old poltard could find it faster than you.

>>18733657
>Billionaires fud groups which pay their bail and pay district attorneys to let them go.
Yes you already said that. Now actually demonstrate your claim. Let's see you try to substantiate the talking points you got from the internet.
Also you completely dodged the question of how funding antifa is getting funded because every time I push your narrative a little by asking for details you get dumbfounded and can't provide a comeback. Now find us the companies that support Communist China.
>I don't use pol, but the average teen poltard is more intelligent than you are, truly.
What do you use? Reddit? Twitter? YouTube? Too embarrassed to say?

>>18733659
Okay shows the evidence then of all the companies supporting China and funding Communism. Go on, what are you waiting for. Try and substantiate your entirely internet-based understanding of politics without humiliating yourself.

>>18732790
Yes he said he never read a book by him and couldn't remember teaching him
His wife, vera, said Pynchon's handwriting was funny

>>18733667
Yes please post the video footage of Jeff Bezos shaking hand with the CEO of antifa and showering him with money. You are not mentally ill at all and you could post the footage any minute now.

>>18730142
Based, fuck that overrated trash.

>>18733719
how is he overrated

>>18732115
I don't know?????

>>18733051
Hello, q anon nigger.

>>18732185
Unironically whats so great about lolita? Is it not just some pedo sex fantasy?

>>18733777
what are you doing on the literature board

>>18733787
I started reading the Greeks after I tried listening to an audiobook rip of The Republic to fall asleep. I liked it so much I couldnt fall asleep and started reading the Greeks and since have pretty much just read Homer, Plato, Aristotle, the Flashman series, Keats, Mishima, BAP, Junger, and some random stuff like an auto-biography by one of the greatest goons in hockey history. Anyway I think I've got a fair base at this point but I know barely anything about 20th century or modern literature aside from what BAP has said on his podcast.

>>18733827
7/10 bait

>>18730142
You should die in a gulag.

>>18733727

Nabokov isn't overrated - this guy down here is a retard or a butt-hurt member of the DSA.

>>18733719

>>18730140
>Bureaucracy, a direct descendant of party discipline
damn. he don't miss

>>18732115
Does Nabakov ever talk about his background and family? I've never seen him mention his families wealth or aristocracy.

>>18735300
If you're not being facetious, look up "Speak, Memory".

>>18730376
The average american had a bigger house, a TV, a car and a more varied diet than the average apparatchik.

Stalin screened Grapes of Wrath in the SU but had to cancel that propaganda tactic because it backfired: soviet proles were astonished poor people in the US could afford cars.

>>18730140
>>Another horrible paradox about Leninism is that these materialists found it possible to squander the lives of millions of real people for the sake of the hypothetical millions that would be happy some day.
Reminds me of what Mishima said about Communists engineering the present for the supposed benefit of the future. Absolute garbage.

>>18732185
>IF YOU CAN WRITE GOOD YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND THATS A FACT
>liking lolita this much and yet being this oblivious to its core theme

>>18736900
What was that Soviet politician's name that visited America and broke down in tears at the sight of supermarkets full of food and couldn't believe they existed all across the country?

>>18736944
Yeltsin.

>>18732257
Well, the USSR produced Bulgakov but only by torturing him incessantly until he invented magical realism almost in a frenzied attempt to get thrown out the country.

>>18736948
when you're that drunk anything will make you cry

>>18736968
When you're a commie any food will make you cry

>>18732185
18-21
Atmost

>>18736972
american food will make anyone cry

>>18736944
>>18736948
And then under less than a decade of Yeltsin, more Russians died of poverty than total in the Soviet Union.
Really makes you think

>>18737014
>if the government doesn't admit it killed people then it didn't kill people
The ingenuity of the vatnik mind never ceases to amaze

>>18736961
Truly great to see what art people can produce when theyre no longer shackled by capitalism, feudalism or fascism.

>>18737008
Soviet food won't

>>18737048
Yes, well, starving artists and all that

>>18737047
the USSR archives have been combed extensively, the 60 gorillion dead was always a hoax

>>18733787
There is no way you are over 22 years.

>>18737063
Oh yes and the USSR is certainly the model of government accountability and transparency

>>18737056
you do realize there are millions of people who lived through the soviet union and are still alive and know the whole soviet no food thing is a meme

>>18737087
Build the wall again then Ivan

>>18737077
>i have no argument and i must cope

>>18737093
God I wish

>>18737094
>>18737100
The nonexistance of any Soviet Union is the strongest argument against the Soviet Union.
Try again Ivan

>>18737056
ცარიელი გაემართა

>>18737127
I'mma keep it a buck witchu namefag dat egg pizza shieet look BUSSIN'

>>18730417
Did you even read what he wrote? His point is that any sudden massive change in an economic system like the fall of the Soviet Union leads to a collapse. Doesn’t prove that their economic system was any good.

>>18732115
You people can never just respond to someone’s ideas directly. So what if some of his political beliefs stem from his class position? Not an argument. On the same grounds I could easily dismiss Marxism.

>>18737213
Then you are arguing that Marxism is correct. His arguments stem from defending his class position. You are admitting your argument also stems from your class position. Therefore, it is right that the working class defends the interest of their own class.

>>18737278
Sophism and definition games don't actually validate tyranny, Ivan.

>>18737302
It's only considered tyranny when it happens to your class. They do it to workers in every country across the world every single day. 300,000 workers murdered in the US (the richest country in the world) every year by poverty

>>18737357
Sophism and definition games don't actually validate tyranny, Ivan

>>18736900
???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_male_life_expectancy.jpg

>>18736961
>frenzied attempt to get thrown out the country.
???

In despair, Bulgakov first wrote a personal letter to Joseph Stalin (July 1929), then on 28 March 1930, a letter to the Soviet government.[19] He requested permission to emigrate if the Soviet Union could not find use for him as a writer.[15] In his autobiography, Bulgakov claimed to have written to Stalin out of desperation and mental anguish, never intending to post the letter. He received a phone call directly from the Soviet leader, who asked the writer whether he really desired to leave the Soviet Union. Bulgakov replied that a Russian writer cannot live outside of his homeland. Stalin gave him permission to continue working at the Art Theater; on 10 May 1930,[14] he re-joined the theater, as stage director's assistant. Later he adapted Gogol's Dead Souls for stage.[13]

>>18736972
>American and Soviet citizens eat about the same amount of food each day but the Soviet diet may be more nutritious.
>https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf

Books. Read them.
>>18737008
based

>>18737072
tell me more

>>18737093
???
The berlin wall wasn't in USSR, anon

>>18737100
>Regime so shit you have to build a wall to keep people in
This is unique in human society. Normally, states or cities build walls to keep invaders out, but the idea of having to build a wall to keep people from escaping because your state is such a shithole is unique to communism.

>>18737213
>>18737302
Absolutely filtered
>>18737278
Khorosho, tovarish

>>18737472
Which "wall" exactly" are you referring to?

>>18737481
The Berlin wall, of course

>>18737466
You are trying to transition.

>>18737507
its amazing how much nabokov makes election tourists seethe. another reason to love him

>>18737462
That's from 1983 not the Stalin-era you guys idealize, btw what else was happening at that time:
>At home, Andropov attempted to improve the USSR's economy by increasing its workforce's efficiency. He cracked down on Soviet laborers' lack of discipline by decreeing the arrest of absentee employees and penalties for tardiness.
Wowie, workers paradise! Good things those arrested workers own the means of production otherwise that'd sound like a neolib hellscape.. and why would they even have a lack of discipline in the first place? CIA sabotage I'm assuming

>>18737482
See>>18737468
Go look up a map of "Iron Curtain", maybe?

>>18737618
>That's from 1983 not the Stalin-era you guys idealize
Assuming, not an argument
>>At home, Andropov attempted to improve the USSR's economy by increasing its workforce's efficiency. He cracked down on Soviet laborers' lack of discipline by decreeing the arrest of absentee employees and penalties for tardiness.
>Wowie, workers paradise! Good things those arrested workers own the means of production otherwise that'd sound like a neolib hellscape.. and why would they even have a lack of discipline in the first place? CIA sabotage I'm assuming
From each according to his abilities, also not argument.

>>18737681
>Israeli wall was higher than Berlin wall therefore didnt exist
??? Do you have brain damage?
Also, my point was that communism was the only government type that needed walls to prevent people from escaping; the israeli wall doesnt disprove this because it's meant to keep people out, not in.

>>18737688
>>Israeli wall was higher than Berlin wall therefore didnt exist
>??? Do you have brain damage?
Not my argument
>??? Do you have brain damage?


>Also, my point was that communism was the only government type that needed walls to prevent people from escaping
Not argument
Your statement
>communism was the only government type that needed walls to prevent people from escaping
Is based on a microscopic wall that barely covered one (1) city, which, btw, was fully conquered by soviets and allowed to be also occupied by western powers by...the soviets. The whole Iron curtain stretched for thousands of miles and there was no "wall" in there.

>>18737729
>it's not really a wall, it's more a fence youre not allowed to cross on threat of death
oh right, that's totally different.
The point still remains that you weren't allowed to leave, which is a unicum in history because it's very rare that a system is so horribly shit that it has to force people to stay inside. Even feudal shitholes never had to do that.

>>18730140
Caring about Nabokov’s opinion of Marxism is like caring about Leszek Kołakowski’s penetrative ability to write epic mode in the novel form.

>>18732953
>>18732959

These remarks are wonderful.

>>18737771
>Even feudal shitholes never had to do that.
Holy jesus... this is your understanding of history?
In feudalism people weren't allowed to leave because they were literally tied to the soil were they were born. What kind of fucking wall do you want to build through forests and rivers at a time when people even had forgotten how to build an acqueduct.

>>18737532
Since you are under 22, you are a tourist yourself.

>>18737791
>Communism literally regresses to feudalism but without any of the benefits
kinda sad. Good thing we have past this phase of history and dont have this kind of oppression anymore.

>>18737818
>under 22
???????????????????

>>18737137
If it's pizza, it's salty cheese pizza, not egg pizza.

>>18733777
It's a harsh look at the barren wasteland that America has become.

>>18737882
>Not following conversation and blindly defending your brethren
We don't have usernames here, my redditor friend.

I used to think Marxism was cool but after reading this thread I'm not so sure.

>>18731991
lmao based

>>18737278
Thinking all political beliefs are only a manifestation of class interest conveniently allows the Marxist to sidestep refuting criticism. If every idea is always only the result of a particular class position, then nothing more can be said. As a result Marxists tend to be some of the worst & laziest debaters as they are incapable of making any sort of convincing argument against their opponents other than, "Y-y-youre just saying that cuz ur rich"

>>18730227
>Another horrible paradox about Leninism is that these materialists found it possible to squander the lives of millions of real people for the sake of the hypothetical millions that would be happy some day.
Covid vaccine?

>>18737439
Yes, Russians already lived shorter lives than even other eastern Europeans and got even worse after they lost their empire. Russia was much more dependent on oil exports than the rest of the Eastern Bloc so they had a harder time moving towards a productive, human economy, away from one based on natural resource extraction and controlling the terms of trade for other countries.

>>18730140
The pedo is a lib reactionary, who would have known.

>>18730140
>WAAAAAAHHHHH
>THE SOVIETS WON'T LET ME FUCK LITTLE GIRLS
>WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH