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Plato -> Aristotle -> You should know enough by now to figure it out yourself

>>18654340
textbooks

plato -> aristotle -> descartes -> spinoza
and the world is urs

>>18654340
try the compilation work "First Philosohpers" for bits and pieces from various greek pre plato philosophers. Honestly though the book which got me into philosophy was Meditations by Aruelius

>>18654340
Plato and Aristotle, then move onto Nietzsche, go a step back to Kant, and plunge yourself deep into philosophy of the 20th century.

>>18654340
What about philosophy interests you?

>>18654340
Plato or Kant.

>>18655285
this is the only serious reply itt

>>18655275
This.

>>18655285
This. You can only really "get into" philosophy if there is a philosophical question that's of real, personal import to you, and that you want answered at any cost.

Anything else is, at best, the stury of the history of philosophy. Philosophy itself begins with awe.

>>18654340
Pick up a history of philosophy textbook, either Kenny (brief) or Copleston’s series (thorough but huge). Avoid Russell. After that you might start reading primary sources starting with Plato’s dialogues. Maybe read a book about presocratics first if you’re determined.

>>18654340
History of philosophy .net podcasts

>>18654340
Ayn Rand

>>18657120
He clearly used the word philosophy, anon.

>>18655905
I don’t really like to listen to podcasts.

>>18657120
Already went through my libertarian phase, sorry anon.

Start with Wittgenstein. Realize all before and after him are making up pseudo problems out of empty language games. End with Wittgenstein.

>>18655285
I don’t really know, that’s why I ask. I’ve partially read stuff like Carlyle before, but I’d like to get into more esoteric stuff/those who discuss meaning beyond societal.

>>18654653
I’ll do this then, which of Plato’s work should I read first?

>>18655523
I have ideas regarding spiritualism but I’d like to become well read in order to flesh out my ideas and make sense of them, if that makes any sense.

>>18657370
Republic is the masterwork and simultaneously a repulsive piece of work. But it is a must read and beautifully written

>>18657375
>spiritualism

What ideas? And more importantly: on what those ideas rely on? Why are they important to you?

Once you have those answers, you should look for authors who delve on those themes, and also on the authors who influenced those authors on those questions. The later ones should be your starting point, and you should use ideas you garner from those readings as "mirrors" to your own.

>>18654697
you missed 2 millennia bro

>>18657370
I recommend reading the trial and death arc first, because it's an easy read, has excellent examples of the socratic method, and a lot of depth. From there, you can read in the theorized chronological order. Save the Republic for when you have a good grasp on how Plato presents ideas, and save the Parmenides for one of the latest, as it's the hardest without a doubt.

>>18654340

i started with debord and i think it worked out sorta maybe just pick up a book it'll be fine

>>18658497
you missed augustine and aquinas bro
FTFY

Whatever you do, just know that it eill be very frustrating at first, and that you're bound to misread almost everything you read in the first 1-2 years of study.
That said, I assure that with constant effort eventually you'll pick it up, and that even the most unintelligible texts (including behemoths like Hegel's) will start making sense.
But again, it will be very frustrating and demoralizing

>>18655523
They study of the history of philosophy can give you enough ground to actually think about these questions. Humans, left to themselves, usually reach these questions only by accident, and since they are absolutely alienated from philosophical thinking they might be led to believe that certain wrong answers are tenable.
Basically: study the history of philosophy, you arrogant dolt

>>18655523
The world is absurdly complex, modernity and technology absolutely saturated my mind with information, I lost any grasp of who and what I am and what it means for something to be true. Is there any philosophy that sets up and justifies some kind of system or directions as to what aspect of reality should our attention be directed?

>>18660101
KEK unironically all of them until Nietzsche, and some after him.

>>18660101
I recommend that you start with a textbook, or a yt course, or a podcast called philosophize this. Or even a mix of those, I used both a textbook and that podcast.

>>18658467
>Republic is the masterwork
You haven't read the Laws

>>18654340
Read Fichte and Carnap and come back after you survive.

>>18660124
Is the Laws good? I've had it sitting on my shelf for three years, completely untouched.

>>18655591

Copleston is good but hard for a newb as the early volumes have Greek and Latin untranslated. If they are willing to do their reps good but otherwise a more concise history may be better.

>>18661526
It's Plato's last work at the peak of his maturity. A lot of stuff that betrays the anti-poetry reputation that he often is accused of. Plato understands himself as a poet but instead of being thrice removed from the source of Truth (see the Ion dialogue) he is directly beholden to Truth itself. This manifests in the Laws as a state that is organized not from the top down like the Republic with the philosopher-kings at the top (I don't even consider the republic as a genuine work of statecraft in the first place) but instead organizes the state of Magnesia like an orchestra where all the parts complement each other and work in tandem while being directed towards virtue. It's a really beautiful image that illustrates Plato's holistic, and ultimately poetic, conception of the world. It does get dry in some parts though.

Posting this dumb question here: When Plato writes is he writing Socrates ideas since he’s the main character or does he mix his (Platos) ideas in with Socrates?

Start with the Greeks. Go on the /lit/ wiki and look for the chart for the greeks.

>>18662590
He is just using Socrates as a mouthpiece for his own ideas.

>>18654340
Ask a question.

>>18662590
He uses Socrates as the dramatic conduit for the ideas he wants to express. The way he is used in the dialogues is definitely influenced by the real historical Socrates but to treat the dramatic and historical Socrates as one in the same (or even as Plato's unabashed self insert) is bad reading I think.

>>18662600
>>18662610
Thanks

>>18655275
Yeah this homie hits the core.

>>18655285
Human psyche. Emotons, subconscious...

>>18663893
sounds like psychoanalysis, not philosophy

>>18663941
You are right, lmao, sorrey.

>>18655285
>What about philosophy interests you?
Language, mathematics, physics

>>18655275
>20th century
Haha good post

>>18655275
Why Nietzsche before Kant?

>>18655285
Ethics.

>>18655523
Doesn't it begin with a question?