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Corpus hermeticum

>devoid of trad political bullshit
>Guenon and Crowley
Uhh

>>18651125
Guenon is not strictly political like Evola, at least as far as I know

>>18651110
Gathas

Tao Te Ching

>>18651110
What is the literary (preferably non-fiction) equivalent of Haibane Renmei?

>>18651179
My diary desu

>>18651110
You were low iq retard and instead of pursuing education and critical objective thinking you decided to go full retard. Kys.

>>18651110
Read Plato's dialogues and the Enneads. This is the only valid suggestion in this thread.

>>18651190
Imagine typing this post and calling someone else a "low iq retard"

Take the lainpill instead

>>18651186
I'd like to read your diary desu

>>18651195
imagine getting into spirituality

>>18651232
Imagine thinking about the human experience only in terms of brain chemistry
Imagine never having had a meaningful dream
Imagine being a troglodyte bugman

>>18651213
I have a tiny notebook with leather cover. I only write in it when at work (last time was over a year ago, worked on a ship, transporting bananas from South America to EU).
The "diary" was used mostly to went my anger, depression. If there was a big legal incident at sea I could be in some legal trouble if they searched my belongings and found it. What it is is mostly me whining, sometimes trying to be positive.

>>18651213
Just become a neoplatonist and ignore these illiterate shmucks stuck in the material realm

>>18651110
idk, i was planning on doing the same except skipping over the bible and other religious texts straight into Guenon
>>18651193
stop /threading your own posts dummy
>>18651205
the government is going to merge with the private sector and control all data traversing inside and outside. what does this mean? it means the death of piracy, the death of typing nigger on the net, the death of any "tendencies liable to threaten the system" (Habermas 1987). this advertised utopia in the form of "lainpill" is an advert-isement from the private sector.
>>18651232
>tenor.png
spirituality is the only way to consider around surroundings

>>18651240
>Imagine never having had a meaningful dream
Not him but man my dreams are so fucking boring

>>18651252
There are ways to spice things up.

>>18651240
>Imagine thinking about the human experience only in terms of brain chemistry
that is how I think, I don't need to imagine it, imagine not being a delusional retard for just maybe one day of your life

>>18651265
>that is how I think
I know. Because you atheist materialist stemtards are all the same.

>>18651250
>delusion is the only way to consider around surroundings
I don't see how, maybe if you are a patient in a mental institution

>>18651259
How?

>>18651250
>this advertised utopia in the form of "lainpill" is an advert-isement from the private sector.
Most of the chart takes a pretty sour view of that utopia you're imagining that it is imagining, in fact mostly warning against it, but okay

>>18651265
>muh chemicals

>>18651293
Do something exciting. Think about death or violence. Try to piss off a demon or something.

Imagining your own suicide may unironically be the fastest way

>>18651278
there is nothing wrong with logic and critical thinking, however pursuing and losing oneself in delusion has absolutely no use and is detrimental to an individual in every possible way

>>18651232
Spirituality is the only thing that matters. Your "education" means jackshit without the spiritual context. You mean jackshit as a NPC. For your sake you'd want the soul to exist; but I think even if souls did exist, only some have them and you certainly aren't one of them. Go be a fleshbot somewhere else. Hylics exist to be productive and die.

>>18651307
I have some schizo tier thoughts throughout the day yet I still dream about buying soap or taking a shit in a canoe. It's like my unconscious is a NEET

>>18651306
no no no, it's muh sky daddies, karma, astrology and nonsense like

>>18651333
Your miraculous trips have converted me. I will now pray to science for deliverance like you do.

>>18651324
I find the use of a 'however' to connect both thoughts an odd choice. Noone needs to be reminded that delusion and critical thinking are anti-thetical.

Anyhow, what gives you the will to continue, stembro?

>>18651332
>I have some schizo tier thoughts throughout the day
That's probably why. You tend to dream about stuff you mentally neglect. It's like your mind gets tired of hearing you think about something incessantly and it decides to go do something else. This becomes less true when you grab the reins of your unconscious mind and can consciously induce certain dream or lucid dream.

>>18651367
So I dream about inane bullshit because my thoughts are focused on spirituality? Alright then, how do I grab the reins of the unconscious and make it reveal itself to me?

>>18651329
>zero actual proof that soul exists
>zero actual proof that afterlife exists
>not even shitty theories from third rate scientists suggest that any of these things are possible
>but the book(s) and their derivatives written 2000 years by some illiterate goatfuckers is sufficient proof for you to believe in delusion and even dedicate your entire life to it

>>18651384
Look up what your favourite scientists have said about god
>inb4 Dennett

>>18651379
Meditate. Channel your schizo during set hours, the rest happens on its own

>>18651153
This is and always will be the best introduction to spirituality. From it you can go to 1000 others places, to Buddhism, to Crowley, even to the bible.

>>18651419
I'm really shit at meditation. I'll try harder.

>>18651110
Please, read Guenon! You are smart enough to avoid being filtered, I believe in you!

>>18651425
It's fine. Aim for consistency. A minute today, a minute and a half tomorrow, 2 minutes the day after. And so on. Also you can try different techniques. There's way more stuff than just "no thought head empty". You can focus on symbols or even just colours and sensations

>>18651353
>Anyhow, what gives you the will to continue, stembro?
I am not sure but It definitely isn't god or spirituality

>>18651426
Don't fall for this OP.

>>18651379
Keep a dream journal. Learn how to lucid dream or how to incubate dreams (there are plently of sources online that can explain this better than I can. Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming is the best book on it, grab a pdf of it). You can also meditate or do Jungian active imagination.
The dream journal part is really important. The unconscious already sort of reveals itself through dreams: you may think they are inane but maybe they aren't if you actually pay attention of whats happening and whay they could signify. Maybe the process of paying more attention to them through dream journaling will make them interesting; you putting in the effort to keep a dream journal and doing all of that other stuff will tell your unconscious mind that dreams are important and maybe it will use them more than a mental dumping ground.

>>18651448
>I am not sure
I don't think you have a clue what it is. None of your kind do. You just take it on faith that "this is what you're supposed to do" and so you do it

>>18651110
THE TAO TE CHING
SEX AND CHARACTER
THE DHAMMAPADA
THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA
THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS
THE GOSPEL OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA
SOREN KIERKEGAARD'S JOURNALS AND PAPERS/NOTEBOOKS
'The Banquet' from STAGES ON LIFE'S WAY
THE ATTACK UPON CHRISTENDOM

>>18651451
seethe more

>>18651451
I don't suppoer the caste system at all but this is a very stupid.
Western heirachy is created with the goal of creating capital.
Indian heirarchy is created with the goal of each individual piece being used to worship god.
Doesn't it wasn't exploatitive in practice, but is has no comparison to Western heirarchy.

>>18651477
Jesus Christ my fucking phone cuts words out for no reason.
I'm done phoneposting.

>>18651438
Is there a wrong or harmful way to meditate?

>>18651457
I kept a dream journal for about six months for no particular reason, my dreams definitely got more detailed though I didn't get many meaningful ones. I'll try again but man the last thing I want to do upon waking up is sit up and start writing shit down. I need discipline I guess

>>18651491
Yes because what you meditate on defines what grows in your mind.
If you meditate on evil and pain and horrible things you will become that more.
If you meditate on God you will become more close to him.
If you meditate on nothing, well that is very difficult to do, so I dislike the practice of telling people to just focus on their breathe.
You could try mantra meditation, it's very effective for a beginner.

>>18651491
Only if you're prone to having a messiah complex or something of the sort. It can (and will) however detach you from your surroundings regardless of your mental makeup, which can be harmful depending on circumstance. Chances are you'll be completely fine tho

>>18651477
>but is has no comparison to Western heirarchy
It has with feudalism

>>18651513
>>18651517
Thanks for the help anons.

>>18651523
And feudalism has nothing to do with that image.

>>18651477
>Western heirachy is created with the goal of creating capital.
>Indian heirarchy is created with the goal of each individual piece being used to worship god.
What's the difference again?
>>18651474
Go stroke your english translations of modern french commentaries on a mishmash of arabic and sanskrit texts by crypto-atheists somewhere else.

>>18651458
It is because there really is no higher purpose, it is what you make it to be, that becomes the reason, maybe my reason is simple and not esoteric enough for the likes of you, but it is real, it is based in our world. God or spirituality is a delusion, no matter how you think about, how you constantly trick your mind, how you refuse to put even tiny amount of mental effort to rid yourself of dumb ideas that pollute your mind, it is fake, they are stupid ideas that you refuse to let go, that you allow to distract you.

>>18651205
>lain_pill
>microshit windows iconography

>>18651537
Brahmans we're meant to forsake wealth, pleasure and any material gain and focus on continuing dharma on earth. There was obviously bad brahmans but that isn't what the system was meant to do.

Do you see our highest caste doing that even a little?

>>18651529
Sure thing

>>18651546
But what is your reason? You say your reason is simple, but you have not stated it.

>>18651110
Read those two first and only then come to make threads like this.

>>18651549
They are literally taking your wealth as we speak and blasting themselves into space using it to achieve twenty minutes of transcendence.

>>18651563
Yes that's why the modern caste system can be seen as almost an inversion of the traditional one.

>>18651537
you're a retard

>>18651568
I'll be harsh here to get a point across. The best case scenario is what you are describing. But the mode result we get in history and here now is escapist parasitism, whether priest or 1%.

>>18651599
As usual anyone who doesn't like your guru must be defective in some way. Are any of you capable of reading anything without becoming it? Typical pseuds

>>18651612
Blah blah blah, I am not wasting my time with a hater like you. Guenon is king.

>>18651553
I just don't mind living. It is not always great, but it is not always bad. Once my life reaches the end then it will end. That's it.

>>18651546
>God or spirituality is a delusion

>>18651205
Lain is unironically hard for me to watch.. it gives me anxiety. I love that Duvet theme song tho..man.

>>18651623
based, PBUH

>>18651879
I am so sorry, I was wrong, god exists, it has been proven by /x/ board

>>18651205
Lain is the weakest of the meme trilogy imo but still great

>>18651915
>Sarcasm

>>18651110
>Im agnostic but have been interested in spirituality and esotericism for some time now, but I havent yet read any serious work. What should I read(after Bible and Quran ofc) that is devoided of muh trad political bullshit? Im particularly interested in Guenon and Crowley
Read Jan Assmann and Schwaller de Lubicz.

If you want to know how fucked up we Moderns are and how the Shizo split happened between non-abrahamic spirituality and spirituality.

>>18651232
>imagine getting into spirituality
>post's a Pepe
The Irony.

>>18651975
What is wrong with posting a pepe?

>>18652015
>posts a pepe
>doesn't get the spirituality that made it possible

>>18651232
Have you ever stopped to consider "why"? I mean, why does anything exist? A STEMfaggot like yourself might answer "nothing is unstable" or some bullshit. But why are laws how they are?
Materialism takes the bottom for the top. They think things work as so: energy > particles > objects > brains > minds. But this has no explanative power, it only describes how things ARE. It makes much more sense for it be as so: the All < Minds < Bodies < Subjects < Particles < Energy.

i keep trying to get into catholicism since my ancestors are from a ultracath country but whenever i tune into mass and the guy is reading these little stories about jesus i just don't care.

>>18652094
Mainstream Christianity is what you get when you take a faith and extract the soul

>>18652094
>i keep trying to get into catholicism since my ancestors are from a ultracath country but whenever i tune into mass and the guy is reading these little stories about jesus i just don't care.
imagine hearing that in Latin kek

>>18652119
at least then i could practice my latin and it would be interesting sort of

>>18652085
It is a meme, some people came up with it, having imagination and believing in delusions are two different things


>>18652088
The questions you asked will possibly be answered by physicists in the next 1000-2000 years, I would like to know the answer know but it is impossible to come with a correct answer. If you cannot accept this fact and have to make up things to compensate for not knowing then you are of a weak mind

>All < Minds < Bodies < Subjects < Particles < Energy
this makes no sense, just because you believe in some fantasy (or some theory of yours) and it exists in your head, believing it doesn't actually make it real or valid/correct.

>>18652094
Same. I have a bunch of tradcath friends that drag me to mass. I’ve given prayer a try but it feels like larping.

Agnostic what? You think it's mutually-exclusive? Yikes.

>>18651143
East and West, The Crisis of the Modern World, and The Reign of Quantity and Signs of the Times are all polemics against everything from the Renaissance on. He also randomly polemicizes in other books of his like Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines. Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta is the only one I've come across where he doesn't do that, but I think the stuff about symbolism is also clear of it.

>>18652147
>the... the physicists
Holy cope. You can't get answers about these things from science, because there is nothing outside the laws of physics. The only valid considerations are philosophical. Besides, as we go deeper it appears that reality only gets more nonsensical and convoluted.
I'm not saying it is absolutely correct, but it is surely more likely than "it just is lmao"

>>18652147
>It is a meme, some people came up with it, having imagination and believing in delusions are two different things
And yet here you are, posting in an Anonymous forum were you can't confirm if any of us even exist.

>>18652164
Personally, I have my suspicions that STEMtards are p-zombies.

>>18652147
> physicists in the next 1000-2000 years

Actually impossible. The scientific method of explaining things in terms of something else eventually runs out of something elses. You're left with stuff that just is there with no account at all as to why (currently the big bang, the elementary particles, the fundamental forces etc.). Even providing a scientific account of these things just kicks the can down the road, for why would the X that explains the Big Bang be there? Science cannot exhaust reality.

>>18652161
>>18652202
In that case they will be left unanswered.

>>18652164
true, I have long suspected npcs making god and spirituality supporting posts in this thread but I have no way of proving it (it could be just some meme deep learning ai baiting for replies)

>>18652222
>They will be left unanswered
Answered, as in we will have a perfect proof? You don't even have a perfect proof of the existence of others, nor a proof that "you" are nothing more than a transient Boltzmann brain, which under materialistic considerations would be by far the most typical mental formation.
But then, how could you trust your conclusions? Your "brain" is probably comprehending things incorrectly. It's not coherent to be a materialist.
>npcs
eat shit retard

>>18652248
Honestly these questions at this time are irrelevant, once our understanding of world on quantum level or even deeper than that greatly increases then we can try answering these questions.

>>18652265
>Honestly these questions at this time are irrelevant, once our understanding of world on quantum level or even deeper than that greatly increases then we can try answering these questions.
which is ironic given the fact that to understand Quantum, scientist are going back to Egypt.
>>18652222
>true, I have long suspected npcs making god and spirituality supporting posts in this thread but I have no way of proving it (it could be just some meme deep learning ai baiting for replies)
You have no manner to prove that you actually exist or that you are even talking with people.
Where is this conversation even happening?
Where is that where?

>>18652286
>which is ironic given the fact that to understand Quantum, scientist are going back to Egypt
will they go to wakanda next?

>>18652286
>You have no manner to prove that you actually exist or that you are even talking with people.
>Where is this conversation even happening?
>Where is that where?
there is no need to prove or disprove this at our current understanding of science

>>18652265
Every time we get "deeper" into quantum things get less simple, the "truth" becomes more complicated and elusive.

>>18652341
>Another appeal to science
How tiresome.

>>18651513
Since when did concentration on the breath become meditating on emptiness?

>>18651153
Best translation?

>>18651110
Before you start with esotericism and occultism learn about parapsychology. Read Ian Stevenson's work on reincarnation proof and Robert A. Monroe's Journey's Trilogy. Skim the Project Stargate documents. Learn about Remote Viewing. Then look into esoteric traditions. Plato's dialogues, Meditations by Descartes, History of Magic by Eliphas Levi, the Gathas of Zoroaster, Zhuang Zhi and the Tao Te Ching.

>>18653622
>Robert A. Monroe's Journey's Trilogy.
He basically says religion is wrong and some kind of control structure for astral entities.

>>18654261
And he is right. Remote Viewers have corroborated his findings during blind sessions.

>>18654540
Oh, I agree. It's just strange to recommend his books and then go on to recommend scripture, no?

>>18654587
You can gain knowledge in many ways. Looking at the deception while acknowledging it as such helps understand how the deception works and how the system is perpetuated.

>>18654627
True.
By the way, to get back to what you said concerning the RV sessions, it's not exactly true, they corroborated a lot of elements but the main and most important one, which is that this realm is managed by evil entities, was not stated by Monroe in his books. His experiences led him to believe that we were not coerced into coming back here but that we were simply weighed down by our earthly attachments.

>>18654644
True. That's where I disagree with him.

>>18654678
Why do you think he made that mistake?
There's a thread about this on the catalog (books on escape) so we can talk there instead of derailing this thread.

>>18654692
Alright, I'll make a post there

>>18651110
suck dick

>>18651190
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>>18652341
>all this bait

How the fuck do I start believing in things? Not necessarily or just God, but any "values" and "ideals". I hate the absence of these things in modern society but I am no different. I'm just critical of the Zeitgeist instead of enamored with it but that's not enough. It only makes me a hypocrite if I lament the lack of ideals but I'm just as cynical as everyone else except I'm also bitter about it.
I feel like I've been stripped of something precious and I don't know how to get it back.

>>18655027
I'm asking you unironically here. How old are you?

>>18655027
pray
seek help to your local nearest church, ask them to pray on your head and cleanse you off the bad shit you got on you

>>18655062
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>>18655065
I can't pray with any degree of sincerity.

>>18655027
Start wirh parapsychology:
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk
All will reveal itself from there.

>>18655072
open your heart .
close your eyes, meditate .
connect with God .
talk to Jesus .
if you can't then go to local church and get rid of the shadowniggers feeding off you preventing you to have Faith .

>>18655089
can I help myself with alcohol? I feel a bit more naive when I drink

>>18651110
>I'm interested in spirituality and esotericism but I'm not interested in people who aren't half-baked crypto-materialists.
No, you're not. You're just an atheist. Read Sam Harris or something, maybe Nietzsche.

>>18651110
just pray bro

>>18655072
Doesn't matter that you can't do it earnestly at first. It will have an effect if you keep doing it. You will see the world differently. That's the power of habit, which is why >>18655459 is the wholesome truth. You don't need to read much, the Gospel of John should suffice in the beginning. And if it's gobblygook to you and you can't believe it, just pray more, it will have physiological and spiritual effects and you will learn to do good and wish good through it and become grateful for this life you got.

>>18655511
This. Praying is like breathing. You do it unconsciously all the time. Every time you think about wanting to have something you are already sort-of praying. Now try and make that conscious and try to ask for the right things.

>>18655027
Understand that you are drawing from same "inexistant" abstract crap you don't believe in to conclude that abstract crap does not exist, then realize how retarded you are and that you literally cannot not interact with the abstract. You are trying to converge to be an animal, but can't because you are slave to abstract, it's just that you chose to let specific abstract rule your thoughts and behavior.

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>>18655550
Amusing to see prayer reduced to a cargo cult mentality by e-christers. It's been a while but there is a passage in Plotinus I remember about how prayers should be appropriate to both parties involved. This attitude appears to have been lost with the leveling of time and now people just ask the god or God "do x for me plz," converting the divine into a wholly maternal element, assuming it could not say no or answer your request in a monkey's paw sort of way as retribution. And so regardless of whether you understood the text, the advice is to beg?

>>18655594
Yeah its true. I'm the guy who wrote these 2 prayerpilled posts but I agree. People pray kinda wrong, but first they have to start praying at all, and then later they can learn that it isn't for wish-fullfillment but to align your will with the divine. But your average secular fag isnt ready for that, they rather wanna hear something nice and comforting as I have given them. Tho prayers like Our Father and the like already in their structure alude to this. Prayer is about accepting fate as divinely ordained and figuring out what your next move in the play you are witnessing is supposed to be aswell as asking for the abbility to carry it out.

>>18655631
The Our Father if you look at it in terms of structure is actually far more in line with what I am talking about than the "just pray" attitude. The supplicant praises the god's power and pays homage to him, asking that his will (that is to be clear, God's will) be carried out, that he merely provide for the sustenance of the supplicant and even forgive him for anything he may have done wrong. Finally god is asked to fulfill an apotropaic function on behalf of the supplicant. That's all folks. There's no new cars, girlfriends, raises at work, etc. Just ward off the bad stuff and give me my baseline. And that's all you are entitled to unless you've got something else you're bargaining with.

>>18655594
Plotinus is wrong to view prayer as a transaction. It isn't. It is you readying yourself for your purpose, it's you reaching your arm out. And God gives you what you need anyways, if you pray or not. Prayer is just so that you can learn to accept that which is given to you, and strengthen your own will to give. God doesn't demand anything; he rejoices.

>>18651110
Upanishads
Gita

>>18655631
I am not that guy, but you know how life is full of uncertanties?

Let's say you are to give interview for work. You can reread, repeat, re-imagine the scenario 10000x times in your head, you can 10000x times go and to fake preparation interview with the friend, but while the chances are better, still the fact is, it's is uncertain. Prayer is a form of building trust and love in the absolute, to accept uncertainties , accept the fate and the God.

This is same for sport performance, exams, work projects, approaching the girl.

Prayer is also a form of bonding with God and his love and trusting him in the uncertainties of our life and existance.

>>18651110
Start with the Chinks

>>18655665
exactly. That's why I recommend these nibbas to read Gospels also.

>>18655676
Yeah that is true. Although if anything it affirms the comment made.

>>18655667
>Prayer is just so that you can learn to accept that which is given to you, and strengthen your own will to give
I disagree. Many traditional prayers are highly formulaic and rooted in the covenantal (i.e. contractual) origins of theism, but perhaps you've recited them enough that they're mere soundwaves at this point. See
>>18655665

>>18651243
Sounds cool

>>18655692
You are talking about the prayer from a pre-gospel view and are not necessarily wrong, but if you take Christ into consideration we are leaving the realm of mere contractualism and entering the realm of beatitude. Loving God and loving your neighbor, what else should prayer concern itself with?

>>18655764
Admittedly I have not read the gospels in a long time. But isn't the Our Father/Lord's Prayer taught by Jesus in there? Are we to buddhicize Jesus and suggest that was just intended for certain listeners?

>>18655930
It's in there. But Jesus changes/elucidates it's purpose. What Moses taught is to serve God, what Jesus teaches is how serving God serves you. Moses gave you ten commandments not to break. Jesus affirms those same commandments but turns them from mere behaviour rules to vehicles for the soul. It goes from "You shall not kill" to "Blessed are the meek". They become affirmative realities which you can grasp through faith and works, which are good in and-of-themselves irrespective of the fact that they don't elicit punishment.

>>18651110
If you want to start practicing spirituality this is a great book with directions on how to put it into action. How to meditation, rosary pedigree, explanations, et al.

>>18656020
oh sorry for not being a retard and taking a side in a matter which is this serious

>>18651153
Literally this, it may be only book you need to read on philosophy or spirituality if you can understand it comprehensively.