/lit/ - Literature

>>18588083
The Bible

>>18588083
You need to be retarded.

>>18588083
The West is intrinsically Christian. Only internet assembled faggots believe otherwise.
Medieval Europe, study it.
Libtard!

>>18588135
>intrinsically Christian
What does this mean?

>>18588083
Bible or picrel.

>>18588123
>>18588129
Let me guess you look like pic related ?

>>18588135

Apart from the actual racial group that make up the west?
The same group that built ancient Rome or Greece for example..?

>>18588221
Rome and Greece is classical, not Western. The sublation of Northern Paganism was the inauguration of the West, child.

>>18588221
You want to sacrifice goats to Zeus? It's up to you, but whether you like it or not, it's a cringe larp.

>>18588083
Read evola, he's pretty based. The books I would recommend to start with would be: Hermetic tradition, Mystery of the grail

>>18588221
I am a native european, not american.

>>18588244
Strictly speaking I'm talking about what makes a European and not a "Western" and those of the European Race created the aforementioned civilations of Greece and Rome without the help of your apparent "necessary" religion of the Rabbi Jesus

>>18588258
Based
>>18588249
How is it any different to turning into a volcel werido like a monk or a nun...?

>>18588258
>oh you want to know more about insert-topic here? Check out my favorite schizo polemicist he's my answer to everything.
This fucking board. OP if you give a shit look into Walter Burkert or Georges Dumezil.

>>18588083
Oh great, another LARPagan thread.
You are worst then actual the Israel loving Christcucks

>>18588290
>How is it any different to turning into a volcel werido like a monk or a nun...?
The common Christian doest not become a priest nor a nun.

>>18588265
I'll wager that if you have a daughter your future son in law will be African. I don't why you'd see anything wrong with that as the first gentile (ya' know after the literal Jews!) convert to Christianity was Ethiopian

>>18588083
The Bible

>>18588313
>The Christian doesn't spend their time like that

...no they just spend their disposal income on charities to Haiti and adopt Nigerians

>>18588275
Every text you could read would be defined by the Christian turn. You are a Jew so long as you deny Christ. Christ was crucified by Rome under the pressure of the Pharisees.
Paganism is dead. You are a Christian or a libtard nihilist.

The Enneads if you were serious because your meme paganism is dead.

>>18588343
As do pagans.

>>18588083
Read the Trads.
>>18588135
>medieval knighthood is literally pagan ethos with a Christian reskin
>t. Evola
>>18588295
You have never read Evola.
>>18588353
Actually good response.

>>18588345
>To stop being a Jew you have to worship a literal Rabbi

Christian logic

>>18588083
>What books do you need to become a true European..?
The Quran, if demographic trends are anything to go by

>>18588368
Last time I checked pagans aren't adopting Africans at a rate as if blacks are about to go into fashion

>>18588377
>If I call every ethnic Jew a rabbi, I will win the argument xD
kek, when /pol/ rots your brain

>>18588377
>a literal Rabbi
Where do you get this from?

>>18588083
D

>>18588376
>you just haven't read Evola/Guenon/other trad or you'd know he was perfect and impossible to dispute
Ask me how I know you're 23 at most.

>>18588377
Christ is not a rabbi. His very process denies it. You are an internet constructed deracinated ignorant mutt.

>>18588376
t. historically ignorant
Get your head out if the meme books zoomer.

>>18588398
>>18588396

>>18588393
Because larpagans are too busy complaining on vietnamese basket-weaving about "muh yuropean kulture" to actually go outside and form family bonds and develop human relationships

>>18588398
his disciples literally called him rabbi

>>18588396
>>18588398
Not that anon, but Jesus is literally referred to as a rabbi in the Bible btw. He even preaches in a synagogue.
>>18588406
Not what I said, anon. I didn't ask you to read him. I merely asserted that you have not done so, which is correct. You have never read Evola.
>>18588412
What's historically ignorant and what meme books are you talking about?

>>18588425
No he wasn't. That's an English translation.

>>18588398
Hmm well he certainly had to be literate enough that religion in order to fulfill its prophecies and engage in debate with other such learned exponents of it. But let's just use a bunch of Greek terminology to avoid that.

>>18588424
Wow dude that comeback how tf will I ever recover..?!

>>18588429
>I didn't ask you to read him. I merely asserted that you have not done so
Dumbass your point here is that had I read him I would not disagree with him or denigrate him.

>>18588425
That means master or teacher, not rabbi in the modern sense, which is a position in Judaism.

>>18588445
Yeah, terminology as in the word "teacher". You can know stuff without being a rabbi. Am I a priest just because I studied the Summa?

>>18588464
What was he a master or teacher of? Was it something that a modern rabbi would not be a master or teacher of?

>>18588345
This

>>18588453
Getting warmer, but not quite. Regardless of whether you read him or not, you are free to disagree. Calling him a "schizo polemicist" is a pretty obvious tell that you haven't read him though. The fact that you completely tiptoed around my accusation is clear evidence that I was perfectly correct to say that you haven't read him and it also shows that you have at least a shred of shame left, even though you continue to talk out of your ass. Maybe some day you will read him and who knows, you may even come to agree with him. It's none of my business. Do what you like best. I, too, do what I like best, which means calling out shills who don't read when they try to defame authors that may be useful to intelligent posters on this board. That is all.

>>18588083
La Tradizione Romana by Guido De Giorgio

(Reminder that you can't be a real European without knowing Latin, Italian and French.)

>>18588437
>That's an English translation.

>Silloin Pietari muisti Jeesuksen sanat ja sanoi hänelle: "Rabbi, katso, viikunapuu, jonka sinä kirosit, on kuivettunut".

>И, вcпoмнив, Пeтp гoвopит Eмy: Paвви! пocмoтpи, cмoкoвницa, кoтopyю Tы пpoклял, зacoхлa.

> Пeтap ce ceти, пa peчe Иcycy: »Paби, пoглeдaј! Ocyшилa ce oнa cмoквa кoјy cи пpoклeo!«

>Då kom Petrus ihåg vad som hade skett och sade till honom: »Rabbi, se, fikonträdet som du förbannade är förtorkat.»

>Naalala ni Pedro ang sinabi ni Jesus sa puno, kaya't sinabi niya kay Jesus, “Rabbi, tingnan ninyo! Natuyo ang punong igos na isinumpa ninyo!”

>και αναμνησθεις ο πετρος λεγει αυτω ραββι ιδε η συκη ην κατηρασω εξηρανται

>Und Petrus gedachte daran und sprach zu ihm: Rabbi, siehe, der Feigenbaum, den du verflucht hast, ist verdorrt.

> Pétur minntist þess, sem gerst hafði, og segir við hann: "Rabbí, sjáðu! fíkjutréð, sem þú formæltir, er visnað."

>Et recordatus Petrus, dixit ei: Rabbi, ecce ficus, cui maledixisti, aruit.

>Peteru rántí pé Jesu ti bá igi náà wí. Nígbà náà ni ó sọ fún Jesu pé, “Rabbi, Wò ó! Igi ọ̀pọ̀tọ́ tí ìwọ fi bú ti gbẹ!”

>>18588529
You could read an actual historian of these ancient cultures or you could read someone who believes in racial spirits and is just giving his opinion about whether a given culture was based or cringed on the basis of the solar/lunar dichotomy he sets up. That Evola was your first recommendation to learn about pagan Europe is testament to a profound illiteracy on the subject.

>>18588596
You are still not denying it. You have never read Evola. It is clear that you have formed your opinion on the basis of shallow hearsay. If I asked you what "solar" and "lunar" mean in Evola's framework, I bet you wouldn't even be able to answer that, even though he's explained extensively and in detail what those two approaches to spirituality consist in. In fact, I am willing to bet that you can't even provide his definition of the words "race" or "spirit", much less "racial spirit". Your entire argument boils down to an appeal to authority, specifically an appeal to liberal institutions that are barely just a couple centuries old. Evola is a very fascinating thinker in many, many ways, but his main advantage is precisely that he offers a new and insightful perspective to the intelligent reader. It is already sad enough that you have drawn your conclusions about him without even looking into him, but that you are trying to promote this view in public despite your lack of knowledge is just shameful. Why do you insist on talking about that which you have not even bothered to engage with? Do you think that you are doing justice to yourself? Do you think you are doing justice to others? To Evola's work? Frankly, anon, you are the schizo polemicist here. I already explained your problem to you in plain language twice, but you continued to double down. I am disappointed in you.

>>18588728
If someone wanted to learn more about the Bible would you send them to Joel Olsteen or to biblical scholars?

>>18588771
I don't know who that is and I don't care. Evola's subject matter is spiritual tradition and he examines his subject matter through the perspective of the Traditionalist School in his own unique way. He is the most fascinating writer I have read in my life and I am 100% certain that I could have found almost none of his insights in the works of careerist academics. The only person that I am aware of who comes close to the level of insight offered by the Traditionalists yet did not necessarily belong with their school is Mircea Eliade and even he was friends with both Evola and Guenon. Besides, you haven't even read Evola so you have no way of knowing what he's saying, why he's saying it, how well he's saying it or what his exact position even is, so you are not qualified to "direct" people to "more appropriate" sources, least of all in this way, namely trying to dismiss him out of hand.

>>18588596
>You could read an actual historian of these ancient cultures
I hate you historyfags who get pissy when someone's research doesn't fit in the strict confines of dry academic texts that catalogue a series of events that transpired. Never mind all that philosophy junk, huh?

>>18588813
Femboydin

>>18588803
Keep refusing to engage with any material on the matter and just take Evola's word for it because he's so based.
>>18588861
Yeah don't bother learning about the topic just read polemics from your favorite dilettante.

>>18588966
>Yeah don't bother learning about the topic just read polemics from your favorite dilettante.
"Dilettante", he writes, as he proudly proclaims he will never ever engage the texts of the author he writes a diatribe against.

>>18588813
Of course you fail to mention it comes from some bullshit book written by a jewish sexuoligist or whatever with 0 knowledge of old norse.

>>18588221
Weird how most people I see wearing a thor's hammer tend to look like that, while people who wear a cross either look normal, are some minority, or are surferdudes.

>>18589012
>bullshit book written by a jewish sexuoligist
Nah, this can't be real, I think
>google
>David F. Greenberg
Fuck...

>>18588316
>His breadth of caring about stuff is if white man do nice thing to non white man
how petty. Is he kissing his feet for being a non white, or as a sign of humility and stuff? You can care about your own people while being sympathetic to others, I would respect pagans more if most of them didnt have resentment as their core fundamental virtue.

>>18588966
>Keep refusing to engage with any material on the matter and just take Evola's word for it because he's so based.
And how did you reach this bizarre conclusion? What made you think I "refuse to engage" with any material? Did I say "don't read anything other than Evola"? No, I did not. I think people should read whatever they want. I myself like to read broadly whenever I can, although I prefer reading deeply even more than that. I have accepted Evola's views because he provides a very clear and sensible system on how to interpret spirituality.
>>18589013
I wear a cross often and I am a pagan-leaning perennialist.

>>18589074
>Is he kissing his feet for being a non white, or as a sign of humility and stuff?
That's just his kink. You have to be a fetishist to become P*pe, otherwise the Holy Gh*st will not choose you.

Peppe Fetish will probably be the next P*pe btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGp0Y1dHnN0

>>18589089
>I wear a cross often and I am a pagan-leaning perennialist.
Understandable, since I have always found the more ostentatious ones rather like idols. But I guess different traditions hold that thought to different degrees.

Christianity is for hipsters. It is basically communism. You faggots have no respect for tradition, otherwise you would join one of the surviving pagan Mysteries cults.

>>18589101
wdym? doesnt the tradition of sanctifying the feet go back at least to the roman times?

>>18589002
>>18589089
You're all missing the point. Someone asks for recommendations on literally any subject and the answer here is always Evola/Guenon. Then when they are called out on being pseuds who just read tertiary literature on the topic by polemicists, they act all incredulous that someone could both read and disagree with traditionalists. It's the most profound form of midwittery—to be slavishly devoted to a single author to the point of imagining everyone who doesn't care for him is just ignorant.

>>18589109

>>18589108
>Understandable, since I have always found the more ostentatious ones rather like idols. But I guess different traditions hold that thought to different degrees.
What do you mean? Are you saying that larger crosses are gaudy, and stuff? I am not sure I am getting you correctly. With that said, I try to keep my jewellery stylish and simple. I think crosses can look pretty cool, particularly taking account the Crusaders in context. They have great aesthetics. Also, the cross has great universal symbolism, if you care about that stuff.

>>18589109
>one of the surviving pagan Mysteries cults.
>Not being a hipster
only a hipster or someone in the field of history would even know what that is to begin with. Much less do it. Not being a hypster requires a level of implicitly and community. I assume this is bait.

>>18588258
i will read no book that is called "based" on 4chan, because that word is equivalent to "stupid" in the real world.

>>18589135
>are you saying that larger crosses are gaudy, and stuff? I am not sure I am getting you correctly. With that said, I try to keep my jewellery stylish and simple.
To a degree, personally, yes, but I was more rather refering to doctrine rather than style. Like how a lot of prot groups see the wearing of crosses and the like as idolatrous and materialistic. While others who are more pro it, like most catholic, see it as symbolic. Not referring to you specifically.

>>18589141
Redefining terms won't make you win an argument, anon.

>>18589155
based and checked

>>18589167
I didnt, If I heard someone was a part of a mystery cult, my first instinct would be to think they were a hipster rebeling from their parents or something because they saw half a youtube video and heard about it in their into to the roman empire class.

While A christian by that fact alone could be anything from a grandma, to a larper, to just some rando dudebro, to some spic.

>>18589126
>You're all missing the point. Someone asks for recommendations on literally any subject and the answer here is always Evola/Guenon.
Have you considered that maybe it's because they're good fucking writers? Guenon is excellent on tradition. Evola writes about a whole bunch of topics, too, and he is excellent on all of them. Of course they get recommended often.
>they act all incredulous that someone could both read and disagree with traditionalists
If someone read the Traditionalists, understood them and disagreed with them, then yes, I would be surprised. However, I respect every person's right to an opinion, even if I disagree with them. The problem is that most of you people do not read the authors you criticise. At all. It's true that most people who recommend the Trads also have not read them, but that's not excuse for dismissing books without reading them.
>It's the most profound form of midwittery—to be slavishly devoted to a single author to the point of imagining everyone who doesn't care for him is just ignorant.
That would be midwittery, but I must say that, having read Traditionalist literature, I would only consider other esoteric anons as possible conversation partners on the topic of religion. This means a handful of Christians, all Gnostics, all Neoplatonists, all intelligent Hindus/Buddhists etc. Frankly, most modern people simply do not understand religion.
>>18589141
>>18589191
Renewed interest in mystery cults predate hipsters by like two centuries. Depending on your criteria, you could stretch that to six centuries.
>>18589158
Ah, right, I see. I was surprised to hear that Puritan churches often didn't even have crosses, since it was considered "idolatry". Strange people, the Puritans.

>>18589117
>doesnt the tradition of sanctifying the feet go back at least to the roman times?
Do you think they weren't kinky at the time?

>>18589195
>Ah, right, I see. I was surprised to hear that Puritan churches often didn't even have crosses, since it was considered "idolatry". Strange people, the Puritans.
idk, there are some aspects that I really respect about some of the groups. Like A lot (of course not all) of the Amish, or more traditionalist quakers, or Shakers. A lot of them got the clossest to making Platonic/Aristotelian style utopias. Hell, Shakers died off just because they wouldn't fuck. Of course they were not paragons and all, but I try not to be a polemicist.

>Renewed interest in mystery cults predate hipsters by like two centuries.
Not saying thats not correct, but I wouldnt exactly place my money on a pruported follower of a mistery cult being a part of some grand continual brotherhood. If a rando came up to me and said they were a cristian or a part of a mystery cult, I would have a harder time pinning the former down as something specific as opposed to the latter.
>>18589197
Of course they were, but Its not exactly a binary of developments.

>>18589241
>idk, there are some aspects that I really respect about some of the groups. Like A lot (of course not all) of the Amish, or more traditionalist quakers, or Shakers. A lot of them got the clossest to making Platonic/Aristotelian style utopias. Hell, Shakers died off just because they wouldn't fuck. Of course they were not paragons and all, but I try not to be a polemicist.
Personally, I am most opposed to Prots (and especially Puritan-esque Christians) precisely because I find they strip away all of the European heritage of Christianity that they can.
>Not saying thats not correct, but I wouldnt exactly place my money on a pruported follower of a mistery cult being a part of some grand continual brotherhood. If a rando came up to me and said they were a cristian or a part of a mystery cult, I would have a harder time pinning the former down as something specific as opposed to the latter.
Why do you say that? I doubt most normal hipsters even know what a mystery cult is. Usually they do meditation or yoga, go vegan etc. Some of the New Age types even take Eastern spirituality very serously - I am aware of some yoga guys that are actually initiated into ancient yogic lineages. I am yet to meet a hipster who knows of the Mithraic mysteries, however. Or one that has heard of the Rosicrucians. From the contemporary examples that I have discovered by just reading freely, typically only serious occultists even attempt to dabble in that type of practice. It's just too restrictive for the average person.

How is Jesus Christ not a Jew? INRI literally means Jesus Christ King of the Jews.
How on Earth is literally worshipping a Jew (their King, in fact) and having the Jewish Bible be half your Holy Book anti-Jewish at all?

>>18589241
>binary of developments.
idk what this means

>>18588813
Of course he doesn't mention that the only source for that is literally something some Jew wrote.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25834456

"n today's fragmented society a large number of religious and secular neo-pagan expressions have emerged and are gathering strength. An increased interest in nature is a central element in many of its manifestations. Expressions of this attitude are found among neo-pagan believers, neo-Nazis and some extreme environmentalist currents. The ancient revulsion with regard to paganism felt by adherents of Judaism links up with the need to take stock of these contemporary phenomena. The return of paganism forces Judaism to focus on Jewish law and tradition, which proclaim that God is central in the world. Nature is not sacred and its laws represent barbarity; the Noahide laws represent civil society. There are many reasons for Jewish observers to watch attentively which direction the powerful, renewed interest in nature will take, and what consequences this may have for world Jewry."

They're afraid, and not by Christianity, which has been around for 2000 years. They are fucking afraid because they see that Ethnic European Paganism may be coming back and they will be necessarily excluded from Ethnic religions. That's what's got them scared.

Also pic related: it literally fucking says "Yahweh" in Hebrew on top of that first version of the KJV Bible. Oy vey!

>>18589274
Here we go again with the rethoric traps and management of the discussion without any real point except negative implications.

>fagans

>>18589324
>Jews are afraid of ethnic paganism
That's a laugh. Jews push paganism and derrida Christianity constantly through show's like Vikings and The Last Kingdom because paganism serves as such a useful trap for disaffected young men.

>>18589325
>without any real point except negative implications.
This is actually a great way to describe what a lot of conversations of this type are like. Thank you for putting this in words for me, anon. However, I must say that like a handful of people already pointed out in this thread, Jesus is literally the king of Jews according to Christian teaching. This isn't a "rhetorical trap". It is literally Christian doctrine.

Tell me about the brigandi the worshippers of brigette, why have they become synonymous with criminals through the name brigands

>>18589109
>Christianity is for hipsters
>join my pseusdo-atheistic gnostic LARP discord instead

>>18589195
If I am remembering correctly, Revolt has an extensive bibliography of 20th century historians of Ancient Greece. If anything that supports me even further, that you have to read the scholarly material to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter, and your first recourse should not be to a commentary on such material but the material itself.

>>18589345
where's that stonetoss comic of the pagans jews and tycoons all pulling against a couple of guys in dog collars?

>>18588221
Greece and Rone were built by Mediterranean bvlls who look like pic related. Imbecile.

>>18589350
I'm not denying Jesus being from the tribe of Judah, I'm claiming that type of conversations only have one purpose, which is to create negative implications through negative concepts and adhering those negative implications to the Bible, God and Jesus as a form of detriment.

>>18589270
>Personally, I am most opposed to Prots (and especially Puritan-esque Christians) precisely because I find they strip away all of the European heritage of Christianity that they can.
IDK about that, I think thats a bit of a binary. Prots take some of the asopects from some soruces and not from others. For example, a lot of prots started with a refocus on augaustine who was very much in line with a lot of the greek thought of the time. However, as a GENERALITY I do agree that prots are less accepting of other parts of euro culture scene as pagan.
>normal hipsters
Usually hipsters are identyified by their at least surfacelevel induction in a somewhat niche topic. "You probably havent heard of the band" ism. Not saying there are not more serious stuff out there, But I can definitly point to rather "hipsterish" channels on yt that talk about esoterica a lot. Just like I could do the same with eastern orthodoxy or somesuch. The difference there Is that I can more easily believe some russian immigrant actually grew up in an Eastern orthodox faith and practices it as an intrinsic thing rather than a passing hobby. Of course there would also be possers doing the same thing as well.


>>18589300
That aspects of culture do not follow a linear development. Like x strictly means y. Just because One aspect of greek phil for instance was pro beastiality, another may not. Or how interpretations of dyonesus may differ between different cults at different times. Not saying every interpretation is equally valid, just that there are throughlines in thought and culture as things go on. Just like Christianity is not purely semitic but has a decent amount of greeko influence even if you just read the new testament or early writers like Eusebius who had some level of greek infusion.

>>18589371
This segment literally refers to Volkisch nationalists lol, you are pretty shameless, anon.
>>18589372
I genuinely have no idea what you are trying to do anymore, anon. First you called Evola a schizo polemicist. Now you point out his credentials as a well-researched scholar of religion. I am sorry, but no, this does not advance your point further at all. On the contrary, I would say that Evola is especially useful as a writer whose examination of religion is very systematic, holistic and highly concentrated - if you read sufficient amounts of Evola's writing, so long as you understand what you are reading, you will be equipped with the necessary methodology and background information to understand any religion at any time period. His approach to religion is perhaps the one most useful tool you can have when you do your own research into other people's work.
>>18589386
That is true, but I still don't see how that is a rhetorical trap. These people attack your religion on the basis of its doctrine. It is a direct attack, not a rhetorical trap, IMO.
>>18589404
>IDK about that, I think thats a bit of a binary. Prots take some of the asopects from some soruces and not from others. For example, a lot of prots started with a refocus on augaustine who was very much in line with a lot of the greek thought of the time.
It varies from Prot to Prot, too. This is why I especially outlined Puritans and such. The other Prots also go pretty far, but they are hardly comparable with Puritans.
>Usually hipsters are identyified by their at least surfacelevel induction in a somewhat niche topic. "You probably havent heard of the band" ism. Not saying there are not more serious stuff out there, But I can definitly point to rather "hipsterish" channels on yt that talk about esoterica a lot. Just like I could do the same with eastern orthodoxy or somesuch. The difference there Is that I can more easily believe some russian immigrant actually grew up in an Eastern orthodox faith and practices it as an intrinsic thing rather than a passing hobby. Of course there would also be possers doing the same thing as well.
I must agree that lately esotericism seems to be becoming more popular than is beneficial. However, I don't think you can link this specific subject matter to hipsters. Hipsters stick pretty solidly to New Age stuff with a huge emphasis on "universal love" etc. Most of the esoteric stuff today are of a quite different nature and attact a completely different crowd. I would also argue that the same process you described seems to apply to TradCaths today, probably especially to those most closely associated with Fuentes, although he is by no means the only or necessarily the central figure in that scene.

>>18588083
Wasnt it a bunch of full blooded arians who spread Christianity to everywhere outside of its containment continent?

>>18589442
He can still do research and then say whatever the hell he wants. Have you never written a paper and twisted the words of your sources to get your thesis? He is still a schizo polemic. I would still not recommend him as a single authoritative first source on paganism in Europe. That's just /lit/'s answer to any recommending reading because all you people read are /pol/ charts.

>>18588186
It means that he is talking out of his ass

>>18589474
He's not. Mozart and Bach has brought far more to Western culture than Fagner ever did. Christianity has defined the West, deal with it.

>>18589371
Hitler was a neurotic spastic, not the best contender to refute your opponent's arguments.

>>18589464
>He can still do research and then say whatever the hell he wants. Have you never written a paper and twisted the words of your sources to get your thesis? He is still a schizo polemic. I would still not recommend him as a single authoritative first source on paganism in Europe. That's just /lit/'s answer to any recommending reading because all you people read are /pol/ charts.
Anon. You haven't even read him. How can you be so shameless? I ask you again, what are you doing here? You are disrespecting yourself, you are disrespecting me, you are disrespecting everyone who browses this board and you are also disrespecting Evola. Please for the love of God. Get a grip.
>>18589461
Arians or Aryans? Big difference. Also it spread to Italian urban centres first, before it was forcibly spread everywhere else.

>>18589442
>however, I don't think you can link this specific subject matter to hipsters
I agree, I simply said it was more likely. When I see a christian, I dont think its automatically a Fuentes alt-righter. THey could be anyone. Like I said, a true believer from a believers household in rural Minnesota, to a gra, to a Larper as you mentioned, However, If I heard someone Say they believed in a mystery cult, I would say the probability is exponentially more that they are a hipster, because as far as I am aware, there are not very many lived in mystery cult communities. I am talking about degrees, So I found it odd that whoever said christianity is for hipsters and brought up mystery cults as an alternative, when I would say the later is more of a red flag for that that than the former.

>>18589442
>but I still don't see how that is a rhetorical trap
The rethorical trap is hidden in the question and activated regardless if the answer is a yes or no.
I agree it's a direct attack but there's also a rethoric trap hidden in the question.

>>18589502
>before it was forcibly spread everywhere else.
*by whites.

>>18589519
>I agree, I simply said it was more likely. When I see a christian, I dont think its automatically a Fuentes alt-righter.
True, but it's maybe a 33% chance for TradCaths.
>So I found it odd that whoever said christianity is for hipsters and brought up mystery cults as an alternative, when I would say the later is more of a red flag for that that than the former.
Yeah that was also a stupid comment. I don't think "hipster" can be applied to either group. If he wanted to insult Christianity, "proto-Bolshevik" may have been better.
>>18589523
Can you explain how and why?
>>18589531
Yes, on other whites. Did I imply otherwise? Urban Christian minorities that moved in to Italy started to trash and destroy pagan temples and communities as soon as they could, but their success was only possible because the government tacitly (and not so tacitly) supported them.

>>18589274
>INRI literally means Jesus Christ King of the Jews.
It means Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews, not Christ
>How on Earth is literally worshipping a Jew (their King, in fact)
It was put there mockingly though, it was the Jews that wanted to kill him

Jesus is still a Jew btw

>>18588083
if you aren't just a larping atheist all of Plato in Latin

>>18589502
And we've come full circle. The devotee doesn't understand how anyone could disagree with his guru; they just haven't understood him!

>>18589552
>Can you explain how and why?
If the answer is yes then he can continue with his mockery and use negative implications against Jesus and the worship build around him. You are also ignoring the fact he did not only brought Jesus into the discussion but also the Old Testament, applying the same trick and demanding a question through a loaded question, loaded as a loaded gun. You are going to be sealed in his trap by doing this, it's a fixed door and fall into the trap.

If the answer is no, you deny Christ relationship with the tribe of Judah and part of the origins of the ancient scriptures. Then the way of attack is going to be through semantics of the term jewish and the denial of something but acceptance of something else, put it simple, you fall in contradiction and that's the trap if you say no.

If you try to give any answer that is yes or no, let's say an explanation, you reach a moot point where he can restart the argument by asking the same thing again, at best if the discussion goes this way, both sides end going in circles.
The traps are three; one is the approval of his argument, the second is a contradiction and the final one is a looping argument.

>>18589565
>Plato in Latin
?

>>18589603
You're not ready for this level of the esoteric iceberg, but Plato received his doctrines from Romulus and Remus through dream yoga.

>>18589582
>And we've come full circle. The devotee doesn't understand how anyone could disagree with his guru; they just haven't understood him!
You literally haven't read the author in question, your overarching argument is not even internally consistent and yet you still continue to dismiss Evola. I am not saying that you haven't understood him, I know that you haven't even read him and I know that you are shameless enough to still blather on. You are giving me second hand embarrassment.
>>18589594
I sort of get what you are saying, but how is this a "rhetorical trap"? If anything, it seems to be a logical trap, the effectiveness of which hinges entirely on its accurate depiction of Christian dogma. It's a "trap" only insofar as you have to publicly agree with Christian doctrine.

>>18589678
>but how is this a "rhetorical trap"? If anything, it seems to be a logical trap
I sort of agree but I have to mention is a rhetorical trap because the whole trick lies in leading the conversation and the use of obviously loaded questions.
We could say is a rethoric trap that leads to a trap of flawed logic.
>It's a "trap" only insofar as you have to publicly agree with Christian doctrine.
I think that's the main purpose. It tries to attack through a direct hit (as you previously mentioned) of the christian doctrine. This trap would never work with someone that is not christian, because he would find no meaning if Jesus can be considered or jewish or not, for the christian this question is a problem and any answer can be dangerous.

>>18589678
I would be more embarassed to be defending my Amazon best-seller purchases as qualitative to strangers on /lit/.

>pagans

>>18589603
if you can't even grasp this perhaps /r/atheism is where you belong

>>18589733
You are a sad and bitter person, anon.

>>18589794
>if you can't even grasp
?
Why would I read Plato in Latin and not in Greek?

>>18588316
>catholic church
>christian

>>18588396
>>18588398
>>18588408
Rabbi just means "teacher." All of you have shown you are every bit as stupid as the mutt you are replying to.

>>18588368
witches are just a branch of freemasonry

>>18589909
Answer>>18588473

>>18588083
>people make these images
Truly sickening. Even in Pagan civilization, subhumans such as the creator of OP's meme image would be banished from society.

>>18588083
Just read the Eddas, The Tain, Kalevala, The Iliad, the Vedas, or whatever else. It just requires simple Google search.

bless mother gaia creator of our souls and nurturer of our spirits
bro we are like all one.. crazy lmaooo
lets take some lsd and pretend we are communicating with pagan spirits