/lit/ - Literature

>>18568385
Yeah, why?

the stoics are ok (still pagans) but modern day "stoics" are nothing but self-help fags.
no understanding of metaphysics or theology
im just gonna imagine all possible things that could possibly happen to me so i don't have to be bothered by it :)
fuck them

>>18568385
you got cucked? just be stoic about it bro

>>18568385
No.

>>18568385
it isn't cuckoldry in itself, but yes it certainly leads to cuckoldry.

Does stoicism prohibits a person from taking an action for himself and in his interests? Genuinely asking.

some guy on here really has a grudge against stoicism. Did Epictetus hurt your feelings or something?

>>18568385
It is for plebs, ex degenerates and proletariat masses bro just like epicurean thinking

just be yourself bro that's all there is to it

>>18568692
Quite the opposite. Stoicism advocates action. It just has a fall back position that not everything is always in your control and so your expectations should have that in mind.

>>18568709
I've noticed it as well.

Epictetus tongued my anus!!!

>wife gets BLACKED
>caring about this would be weak
Pretty much

Daily reminder that bashing Stoicism is literal kinkshaming

>>18568692
Nope. Epictetus plainly states that humans are beings with self-interest, they do things because it's beneficial to them.
>Looking after one’s self is not selfishness, it is only man’s nature. We cannot expect someone to be indifferent to his welfare. But constantly acting in self-interest is not anti-social, and it is not antithetical to altruism. God made rational man is such a way that once he holds correct views about things external to the will—realising that they are not good nor evil—he cannot attain personal ends without also providing for the community.

I would just like to point out that someone sold a magic spell that instantly gave you the most meaningful and happiest life you could possibly have and sold it for 99 cents, this board would call it soi because lots of people they don’t like bought it.

Given that stoicism preaches against involving oneself in politics and accepting hierarchical rule, it can be considered cuckholdery. But, on the other hand, its followers also preach being a slave to pleasure.

>>18569532
“I wouldn’t buy it because magic is an affront to God, and my 99 cents could be much better spent on Taco Bell’s Cheesy Bean & Rice burrito, one of many fine selections on their dollar menu.”

what is the stoic sixpack?

>>18568385
>stoicism is bad now
welp gotta burn more books now

>>18569617
Unfathomably based.

>>18568385
can someone explain the stoicism hate? did it become popular or something?

>>18569571
>Given that stoicism preaches against involving oneself in politics
Wrong. Who is Cato, Cicero, Aurelius. Stoics advocated for political involvement.

>accepting hierarchical rule
What was the Stoic opposition?

Nice try Hedonist. Try reading more Wikipedia articles before you post.

>>18571123
Probably a butthurt christfag

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>>18568385
>let the world rape you and learn how to take it like an anal champ
>vs
>FUCK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>I HATE THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!!
>GLOWNIGGERS!!!!!!!
>DESTROY EVIL!!!!!!!
Stoicism vs Schizocism, which oneis better?

>>18569043
Kek

>>18568385
Apparently Marcus Aurelius got cucked and he asked his stoic teacher what to do.
He was told to kill his wife's boyfriends in front of his wife and make sure she got all of his blood smeared over her.
The wife never cheated on him again.

>>18568385
>Is stoicism just cuckoldry with extra steps?

The internet has rotten your brain

>>18572387
holy fucking shit:
>Aurelius summoned Faustina and the gladiator in his room and asked them to have sex. While they were having sex, Aurelius’s soldiers executed the poor guy. Faustina had to bathe in the gladiator’s blood. After the gladiator was dead, Aurelius and Faustina had sex.
And on top of that he personally lead his men into battle and conquered several nations. And people are calling this man's philosophy "cuckoldry"???

>>18572387
>The wife never cheated on him again.
That he knows of. In 2021 she'd be hitting the clubs covered in blood as soon as he turned around.

>>18568385
Yes.

>>18572418
bro i think in 2021 women cheat because men don't pull that shit anymore (excluding black women. They cheat anyway on niggas)

>>18569508
whoa sounds similar to what Adam Smith said

>>18572438
Smith was heavily influenced by the Stoics

>>18572387
source: gossip

>>18572438
You are now beginning to see how much Stoicism influenced the world.

>>18569617
based

>>18571126
How could you forget Seneca in your line-up.

Commenting on its popular perception, not going into the original school:

It's popular with your typical 4chan/Reddit user because it legitimizes being an autistic shut-in. It's one half suppressing moral unease and ambiguity caused by political appeals to conscience by telling oneself that 'the SJWs are just unvirtuous crybabies', and one half generic self-help, but with marble busts.

On the plus side, at least these folks are not becoming literal Nazis because a feminist made a YouTube video about their favorite video game.

>>18568398
fpbp

>>18572767
post body

>>18572767
dumb reddit spacer

>>18572767
Could you really say it's popular when the perception of it is has completely irreconcilable differences to what it is?

stoicism is self help and babies first philosophy. an adolescent can understand any stoic text. it is easy and literal. in this way people feel that have been initiated into philosophy

>>18572943
You make simplicity sound like a negative trait.

>>18568385
Whats he actually holding in that pic?

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>>18572962
it is in a sense because it is just ethical philosophy. i walked that path too. started with seneca in my adolescence. then some epictetus and marcus aurelius

>>18572989
Ethical philosophy should be simple so that is actually practical. Anything else is just worthless theoretical masturbation.

>>18573017
knowing precedes being in hierarchy. how can one be without knowing first? there's a qualitative decline when philosophy becomes mainly ethical in the hellenistic period.

>>18571126
Hedonism and Stoicism are not significantly different. Fetishizing asceticism is no different than fetishistic hedonism - you are still enthralled by what your relationship to the world should be.

>>18573033
When you start discussing quality when it comes to philosophy; you're becoming more and more obtuse and nebulous - wasting peoples' time with questions nobody cares has to care about.

>>18573017
You're mistaking philosophy with self-help, bucko.

>>18572415
No wonder the roman empire fell.
Degeneracy.

>>18573142
You're making normative claims and not positive ones. Self help can be philosophical - its called egoism.

>>18573312
Of course I am, it's a claim regarding the division of areas of study (if self-help can be termed as such).

What I meant was that ethical philosophy is not about simply stating guidelines for life on the merits of their practicality (which self-help does), but requires deriving those guidelines from (or legitimizing them via) a wider philosophical systematic worldview.

If in egoism one can derive practicality as a criterion, then fine, but that still only applies within egoism.

>>18573492
Normative claims are just not useful since you're just playing nominalist word games. This will just be a circular argument ad naesum over what things we ought to value. There's no point to continue the conversation because clearly we have difference preferences, and it is not necessary, at all, to continue philosophical inquiry with dialectical discussion into such matters to live.

>>18568385
there are many stages of understanding stoicism
first level is
stoicism is meant to keep the plebs at bay
2nd level
stoicism is for cucks
3rd level
stoics are psychopaths
4th level
stoicism inspires many religions is the reason why the west follows a guilt based approach to life instead of fear like asians
5th level
stoicism actually helps you achieve your goals and sets you on the path to become the Ubermensch
7th level
stoics will be the only ones surviving the death heat of the universe

>>18573306
>scare your wife into never cheating or cucking you again and get revenge on the faggot who cucked you
>l-le degeneracy, the Roman empire fell because of this
Aurelius was one of the greatest emperors of the empire unlike Eastern larpers who only managed to get rekt by illiterate arabs and turks

>>18572433
>excluding black women. They cheat anyway on niggas
not just black women, all the colors of the rainbow

>>18572415
I thought this nigga was supposed to be GOOD what the fuck is this???

source

>>18571093
Only 6 pack that man will ever see

>>18573515
As you wish. I believe that everything I said is in line with the general consensus within the field, but sure, that is just consensus, and not positive knowledge, so I'm fine with leaving it at that.

>>18573776
It's one of the things he struggled to reconcile with. His desire to live a philosophical life, but yet he had been made the most powerful man in the known world with all the responsibility that came with it - and his philosophy trapped him to endure this duty fate had assigned to him.

Rather tragic.

>>18573863
Following up the above - there's a great lecture on Marcus Aurelius which lays out how much of a tragic figure he was:

https://youtu.be/L5_an6B3H4E

>>18573059
Hapiness is futile. People will drag their balls through the sand to achieve it. The truth is pleasure and pain are fleeting. It's better to wait and let the hapiness reach you where you are then to dedicate your life to chasing happiness. You'll just be pushing the rock like sisyphus thinking you're going somewhere, too busy to notice you're going nowhere, doing nothing but fighting against yourself.

>>18568385

Yes.

>>18568417
This.

>>18569617
Christcucks eternally BTFO

I just started reading Meditations and you have to be an absolute fedora to think this shit could apply to a modern day man's life. It's like reading Art of War and trying to hone the blade like Sun Tzu.

>>18573776
she got off light, should have killed her.

>>18575470
You probably should guard yourself against coming to a conclusion on a book you've only just started to read.

>>18575470
I doubt "modern day man" had to deal with managing an empire stalked by invaders, ravished by plague, and besieged by usurpers.

"We fuck our own wives in our minds more than we do in reality" - Seneca

>>18572972
>why it matters
spoilers: it doesnt matter

>>18573540
9th level
stoics are psychopathic cucks that are plebs kept at bay

>>18568417
Stoics were christians without christ. The literal proto-christians. A disgrace to pagan values

>>18571204
Your pic is an abomination.
How dare someone edit in that disgusting word to the masterpiece that is Akagi

>>18572415
Wtf are you talking about. He literally got cucked, your post admitted it.

the "internet stoic" is the worst meme in recent history

>>18573888
trips of truth

great lecture so far, good find anon