/lit/ - Literature

The Decline Of The West

>>18566850
Your view of the west is entirely superficial. I'm sure you laud westerners for their great inventions and technological prowess but your nonsensical traditionalist nature means that you would have decried these same things when they were in the process of becoming popular. The gothic architecture you bust fat ropes over would've appalled your small minded ancestors when it was new.

>>18566850
Ignatius-kun, what could be more trad than geometrically-minded buildings? The gaudy neoclassical edifices of the past century had no sense of geometry. They reflected unsound minds.

>>18567002
Glowing

>>18567029
Have sex

>>18566850
I think it's just economic soullessness. I'm willing to bet it's cheaper to maintain the buildings on the right, so that style is what is pushed. Things like culture and beauty have no value in the modern West, and to be honest, I can't think of a modern society where such things are valued. We are all screwed.

>>18567033

>>18566850
"Schizo" has been confirmed to be a buzzword on shill's toolkits anon, meant to astroturf online conversations.
I will say it now and say for as long at it is used, anyone who uses "schizo" is either a shill or a retard.
>>18566994
This is pretty good

>>18567055
History is cyclical which means there's a chance our preference for beauty will come back. If it makes you feel better though, we Europeans tend to preserve old buildings. In fact, old towns attract millions of tourists so there's clearly a demand for beauty.

>>18567055
I would question the idea that beauty has no value. Rather, what people understand as beautiful has changed. Nontheless, the economic dynamic you highlight I wholly agree with. The question is whether the zeitgeist's sense of beauty has changed to follow the salient nature of economic interests.

>>18567075
Just have sex

>>18567055
>cheaper to maintain the buildings on the right,
Possibly day to day maintenance. Long term those buildings are terrible, reinforced concrete is very costly to repair, and because they're ugly no one wants to foot the bill. Mostly it was a fashion amongst a certain class of city engineer bureaucrat that lead to these abominations.
e.g. this guy is responsible for pic related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Manzoni , as well as a bunch of other abominations.

>>18567090
Only a schizo would post this. If you actually believe in magic you're a schizo who needs to be institutionalized

>>18567116
Fuck off you soulless meat sack.
Quit shitting up the board with your soulless drivel

>>18567101
Who finds concrete school buildings beautiful? Anyone? I've never heard any students call it beautiful.

>>18567152
Suck start a shotgun nigger.
And fucking update your toolkits already. Getting real tired of the same shit from you faggots

The Death and Life of Great American Cities

>>18567153
Bro just have sex it's not that hard.

>>18566850
Try From Bauhaus to Our House if you just want a comic architecture run down of the 20th century.

>>18567164
You're on the same schizo level as those women who practice witchcraft and try to put curses on people they dont like. Please get therapy.

>>18567166
Oh, I haven't heard about that one before anon.
What does it talk about specifically?

>>18567152
Extremely raciste of you since many indigenous cultures believe in forms of magic, also transphobic to deny the magical transformation of one gender to another

>>18567183
The Death and Life of Great American Cities

>>18567181
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid faggot?
How is equating retards who believe in the power of some colorful rocks and actually calling out astrotufing efforts anywhere remotely similar?
If that was the best strawman you could come up with then I'd be the one concerned for your mental health.

>>18567190
I guess I deserve that.
What elements of the city does the book go into?
The culture? The architecture? The politics?

>>18567208
Idk I'm not the anon you first replied to, I'm just a smartass that mostly reads fiction

>>18567164
I hope this is true and the sheboons really stormed out of the office due to the racist jokes

>>18567174
If your entire identity and beliefs revolve around having sex, then you don't deserve to be called human.
So what is it anon? Are you little more then an animal living day to day on sensory stimuli alone? Or are you a human, trying to explore the complex elements of the societies we live in, as per the original goal of the thread was?

>Building ornaments
Ugh

>>18567239
Holy shit man please just have sex

>>18567094
>History is cyclical
LoL

>>18567269
That's what I expected out of you.

>>18567269
Had sex, now what?

>>18567269
Dilate

>>18567284
>>18567292
You have sex too.
>>18567287
Cope and seethe

>>18567297
IT'S A TRANNY
OH BOY HERE WE GO

>>18567304
Sex. Have it.

>>18567208
Urban design and building architecture. The main thrust of her argument is that physical space/design are causally linked to human behaviour. Build better cities and you can solve a lot of social issues. I'm not sure I completely agree with her, but I'd rather live in the types of cities she praises than in ones she criticises.

>>18567318

>>18567318
post feet

>>18567325
Have sex
>>18567339
Maybe

>>18567320
I tend to agree with that sentiment, with the entire physical space thing.
A positive, clean and beautiful space tends to entice the human zeitgeist to maintain and expand upon it, while dirty and dull places tend to do the opposite.
Basically monkey see monkey do, but on a level that promotes certain lifestyles.

Brutalism is based.

>>18567359
I'll shag your mum and give her a real son this time.

>>18567359
please

>>18567374
Glowing

>>18567377
Internalize the message of pic related. Have sex
>>18567378
Ok

>>18567369
Well, the book is basically that but with lots of examples. Check it out

>>18567387
>Ok
I lied i'm not a foot fag post legs

>>18566850
new thing bad, new thing make me angry

>>18567401
Yes

>>18567269
kys, hedonistic asshole

>>18567431
Have sex man, trust me you won't regret it.

>There are people ITT who have not had sex

I feel sick

>>18567439
I have a fiancee, faggot. You fetishize sex because you always fetishize what you can't have. I was the same way back when I was 16.

>>18567387
I've seen that doomer shit before, fag bag.
The fact that you have that saved, and the title you have it under speaks volumes at to the type of person you are.

>>18567445
>I have a fiancee

Then have sex with her! Have some balls, bro! Just ask her nicely.

>>18567440
I'm more sickened by your R*ddit spacing.

>>18567453
I just want you to have sex, no need to hang yourself

>>18567456
Repeating yourself like a monkey won't change the fact that you have been brainwashed by the media into rejecting every relevant intellectual tradition in the world without justification.

>>18567468
Im not even that anon.
The world just wants you to have sex it seems.

>>18567479
No you aren't.
No it doesn't.
Read Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Spinoza, Kierkegaard, Kant, or literally anyone with brain cells. You are an embarrassment to the human race, incel.

>>18567468
>Everyone who doesn't think like me is brainwashed

>>18567497
I will read all of those dead white men right after you have sex

We are being raided. I REPEAT: we are being raided by a tranny discord server. do not engage.

>>18567505
She will not fuck you.

>>18567466
No, that image for the abominations like you to step off into the world beyond ours.
And this anon >>18567501 is right.

>>18567518
Maybe not, but I will fuck those dead white men after I dig 'em up.

>>18567501
That's not at all what he was say you retard.
>>18567512
Again? Really?
ffs. Is it board wide or just this thread?

>>18567528
>Those anime profile pics
Why am I not surprised

>>18567528
>Again? Really?
Not him, but they are repeating the same thing over and over again, and I am pretty sure the "dead white men" thing isn't sarcasm. A lone troll would have given up by now. It is exactly the same pattern as in all raids.
You know what to do.

>>18567518
But maybe she'll fuck you.
Just ask
Just have sex

>>18567545
I have the images, but this is a blue board and I don't want to get banned.
Fug. Option #2

>>18567545
>a lone troll would've given up by now
Nope I've got time today
>>18567564
You are a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs, but that doesn't matter. You are a valid human who is trying to feel comfortable in her body.

All the “validation” you get is pure. Behind your back people love you. Your parents are happy and proud of you, your friends laugh at your jokes behind closed doors, and boys love you, and girls envy you.

Men absolutely love you. Trans folk who “pass” look ordinary and natural to a man. Your bone structure does not matter. Estradiol widens the hips.

You will be happy. You will smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, and deep inside you feel the euphoria creeping up like a weed. It is what defines you, not the transphobes.

Eventually, it’ll be perfect for you - you’ll come out, start HRT, get top surgery, and finally be your ideal self. Your parents will find you, happy and relieved that they finally have a happy daughter. They’ll congratulate you on your hard journey, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a woman is what you are.

>>18566850
Its just the decline of spiritual art. If anything you should look up romanticism.

>>18567564
Just ignore them and they will get bored eventually, I guess. Use the option so that you don't bump the thread. If you find this annoying, just remember that the seething anger they display will fuck up their mind much more than it fucks up the board. He will join the 41% soon.

>>18567574
This level of cope is worthy of song
That other anon is right. We have ourselves a raid on our hands

>>18567592
Wow that image is disturbingly accurate to their worldview.
A hearty kek. Have this gem in return

>>18567608
The inevitable cycle of two-party identitarianism, intensified by consumerism and the arrogance of modern age. I often wonder what will happen in 20 years.

>>18567629
That chart is incorrect.
The collapse of the system has already taken hold, and the age of Caesrism (Trump, BREXIT) has past.
In 20 years? Total collapse. Hell within this decade

>>18567055
>Things like culture and beauty have no value in the modern West
Yet it was the old west which gave the modern west. It was already rotten.

Anything from Belloc

>>18567055
They are vastly cheaper to maintain, but more importantly they are vastly easier and cheaper to modify to suit changing needs. Subdividing a floor to meet the needs of new tenets is a nightmare in the old style and if the interior reflects the exterior with ornate detailing it will cost a fortune and generally means the building owner or manager will either have to leave it vacant for possibly years while waiting for the right tenet or write off the first year or so worth of rent to cover the expense.

>>18567147
There is no comparison, modern is cheaper in every regard, concrete is simple and cheap to repair by comparison. We had a drunk drive into the side of an old neoclassical a few years back, cost almost half a million and 18 months the get all that new brick work carved to match and set, just a single pickup truck caused that. A concrete building would have been repaired in a week or two and cost a fraction. While insurance did cover most of it, those insurance premiums are considerably more expensive than an equivalent concrete brutalist design.

t. works for a large building commercial building management company which owns and manages everything from 200 year old classics to newly built classical and modern designs.

>>18567002
Your view of the West is entirely superficial. You are attempting to project contemporary mindsets of relations to progress onto pre-modern people with no conception of progress, apples to oranges.
You are also fundamentally incorrect even in your strawman. Traditionalists reject modern architecture chiefly because it slanders and rejects aesthetic. This does not apply whatsoever to Gothic architecture, or really any sort of pre-modern architecture, even the most utilitarian.
stupid reddit faggot

>>18567101
Polls of the general public typically find that traditional architecture is considered more beautiful than modern architecture.
The modern standard is primarily enforced by academic architects who are indoctrinated into the black-and-white "function is form" modernist approach, or else they're zany postmodernists who build purposefully-jarring geometric abominations. Meanwhile, engineers and urban planners only see the bottom line and don't give a shit about aesthetics outside their little patch of suburbia.

>>18567002
Based

>>18568899
Moron

>>18568963
> can't refute
> samefags
many such cases

>>18568028
Cheaper =/= better.
While it might be easier to repair and modify, the outside imagery is outright soul crushing.
Aesthetics play a major part in human life. The current trend with buildings have turned them into a product, meant to be bought and sold without a second thought like a metal can.

>>18568963
Jesus fucking Christ man.
Walk away with some dignity.

>>18568990
>Cheaper =/= better.
I made no such claims regarding that one way or the other.

>>18567164
>Many many MANY claims
>no proof
Less credibility than the Jewish Question

>>18567239
>If your entire identity and beliefs revolve around having sex, then you don't deserve to be called human.
>So what is it anon? Are you little more then an animal living day to day on sensory stimuli alone? Or are you a human, trying to explore the complex elements of the societies we live in, as per the original goal of the thread was?

>>18567158
parthenon

>>18569037
Better to repair and expand.
I think that their exists a happy median between the practical, that allows the full beauty of architecture to mesh between the practical applications that we need today.
I just believe it will happen, because to those people making building, money has replaced God

>>18569041
>>18569071
Go away faggot.
We already btfo'd your retarded friends

>>18567468
If the zeitgeist didn’t brainwash us then the Church or some other Big Brother would have. Also saying tradition is superior because “it’s old” is the cringiest appeal to authority I have yet to hear.

>>18569092
Ultimately you just need to learn the language of architecture and stop look at the world as old vs new and also realize that we either sacrifice a great deal of our open spaces and small towns or build more modern, classic architecture is not capable of the high density structures required for the modern city, just imagine how much worse the sprawl would be were it not for these buildings you hate so much.

>>18568979
>>18569009
I'm supposed to believe these are different, huh

>>18567164
fascinating if true

>>18569130
>world as old vs new
What? That wasn't my reason why I hate modern architecture. I hate it because it looks terrible, and is soul crushing.
And again, I see the practicality these buildings offer. I don't agree with it, and think we could do far better then we currently are, but to deny it would be foolish.

>>18567075
>Being this much of a seething incel

>>18569172
you will NEVER be a woman

>>18569135
I'm not that anon you were talking to before, I just saw you samefaging and called you out on it.
Just walk away

>>18569178
They won't, that's true, but it doesn't detract from the fact you will never be IN a woman.

>>18569172

>>18569181
I actually got bored of this thread and left

>>18569178
You will NEVER be happy

>>18569181
You can't fathom the idea of more than one person disagreeing with you?

>>18569183
I have, which is why I know that they're holes first of all LMFAO
>>18569194
projection, rope

>>18569204
> I have
Unconvincing in light of the evidence.

>>18569178
>>18569184
More of a man than you will ever be.

>>18569198
No, just I thought it was the same anon from before being ass mad.
Now I see was this retard >>18569185. And it clears this all up.

>>18567002
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>18569211
Are you sure of that?

>>18569211
self own bro
just stop posting

>>18569220
>>18569227
>>18569238
>>18569204
>>18569194
>>18569178
Why aren't you guys having sex? Have sex.

Why are people conservative? How can people be treated of this disease?

>>18569259
I am literally having sex right now

>>18569259
Oh you're still here?
Even after the other anon called your little shithole raid out?
Kill yourself

>>18569260
because it's evolutionarily successful

>>18569259
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's the nigger woman ! Why don't the CIA pay you a bit more so you can buy a gun and kill yourself

>>18567002
trying way too hard

>>18567164
>shills are mostly fat angry sheboons
This does explain a few things.

>>18569275
Conservatism is literally a loser's ideology. It does nothing but lose and then shift the goalposts a little. It opposes one of the most fundamental aspects of human history. Conservatism literally never wins.

>>18566850
Read Tolkien's letters

>>18569276
>>18569271
>>18569266
You will never have sex

>>18569260
>disease
Unironically you found the answer in your own stupidity.
Through your own neurotic behavior, and the behavior of Antifa, the MSM and BLM, you have pushed more people away from conservatism and towards radicalization then any Stormfaggot of glownigger could dream about.
The +.10 Fascism Support is very real, and your the ones pushing it the hardest. You are the architects of your own downfall.

>>18569260
Conservatives and the far left are closer than many people think but I don't know why people don't bring it up. They both see a decline in the west. A leftist sees the lost in the community that comes from the corporations building Walmart's and a leftist sees the rising depression and suicides that come from overworking and the dollar being worth less. Art being commercialized by the bourgeoisie etc etc. All of these are the same thing conservatives say yet they come at it from a different angle. I don't think the values are dissimilar.

>>18569299
Cons talk big and work hard but they always cuck in the end
Progs always win but they're pathetic soft faggots
The answer is that you should always be a reactionary

>>18569306
Quit projecting axe wound

>>18567147
We really do live in hell, don't we?

>>18569314
Both of them are irredeemably compromised by the zeitgeist they hate, the Promethean element is simply missing and they are perpetrators as much as they are victims or opponents

>>18569328
This.
Controlled opposition is the term of the day

>>18569299
Living is literally a loser's goal. It does nothing but carry itself forward a little then die. It opposes one of the most fundamental aspects of history. Life literally never wins.

>>18569344
Yes

>>18569349
So go join team death.

>>18569357
(he'll do it unprompted, anon)

>>18569340
>>18569328
What is the real ideology? Libertarianism lol

>>18569357
You made the observation friend. Both your statement and the statement you responded to are true.

Tocqueville's Ancien Regime
Jünger's The Failure of Technology
Kierkegaard's The Present Age

By far the best books to understand the modern world if you want simple historical language.

>>18569375
"Let us now turn to that aspect of technology which touches and rests upon elemental nature. This association is unconditional and indissoluble, since all technical work requires some natural element with which to operate. Whatever power technology produces, it draws from nature's reservoir in the same fashion as one draws a pint from a barrel. This holds true regardless of how ingenious the means may be by which technology taps the sources of its power.

The technician has lost the age-old awe that restrained man from injuring the earth, from changing the shape of its surface. This awe in the past was very pronounced; its traces are found everywhere in the history of agriculture, and it reaches well into historical times. With the great masterpieces of architecture there is always associated the idea of a colossal presumption – the tower of Babel is a typical example; even Cologne Cathedral was held to be built with the devil' s aid. Certain ceremonies during the building of a house that have survived until our days are acts of conciliation and consecration, implying that there has been an act of desecration. The technician, however, proceeds without awe, as his methods show. To him, the earth is an object for intelligent and artful planning, a lifeless sphere subject to mechanical motion and exploitation by him who understands its mechanics. Ruthlessly the technician conquers the earth in his quest for power; he confines the elemental forces in engines where they must obey and deliver power. Elementary nature and the man-made mechanisms controlled by human intelligence will clash and the outcome is an act of enslavement which presses elemental forces into service. Their free play is ended by force."

>>18569299
>Conservatism literally never wins.
And yet it is selected for genetically over time.

>>18566850
art is dead and the west is dead
every book about history will show nations thrive, turn to hedonism and collapse, you can start with the Bible

>>18569311
It's probably all an intentional hegelian dialectic but to what goal?

reading other comments I'm not sure my inyerpretation of the word "conservative" matches with yours.

>>18569306
AHHAHAAHHAA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
S E E T H E
E E
E E
T T
H H
E E

I hope everybody fucking laughs at you the way I am now

I hate work and want to have sex, I don't care about politics.

the true value of beautiful buildings is that they're good for your soul

>>18569436
But these classical buildings were damn ugly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw

>>18569384
Of those three books, which is the source for this quote?
Thanks anon

>>18569434
read the greeks

>>18569434
Politics will end sex :)

>>18567002
yeah jordan peterson uses this same gay argument to defend the liberalism from the accusation that it creates a trash culture and ugly cities. More than anything it is a claim that if there are great artistic developments occurring in our time, they are hidden from the masses. But it's also possible they just aren't there. So it's really just a denial that we can even inquire into whether we live in a cultural dark age or not—but to escape it we will need to do so. Refusing to take this question seriously actually makes you the dumb reactionary.

>>18569340
It's not even all controlled opposition.
For the mainstream GOP and milquetoast demsocs, it is, they are part of the institution. But even the far-right and far-left are slaves to the modern system and what it provides or has provided. Trumpers and other right-populists are nostalgic for post-war American total dominance, and leftists are nostalgic for the Star Trek TNG dream of the 90s, in both cases defined by abundance. They cannot make an Iran or a Vietnam which has been done historically, let alone the perfect societies they actually want.
Since both goals are enslaved to material prosperity, their proponents do not even need to be controlled, they will never truly threaten the power centers that provide their bread and circuses.

>>18569457
The Failure of Technology
I don't think he discusses architecture in depth, if that is what you want to focus on, but the problems can be inferred through what he says of art and technology.
It is based on Goethe's aesthetics, who is necessary to understand architecture, but may be difficult for some readers. I just mention this since I don't know what you have read.

ALL WOMEN IN THIS THREAD LEAVE NOW!!!

OR I WILL MAKE YOU LEAVE!!!!!!!

>>18569661
Holy based

>>18567164

>>18566850
>Old good. New bad
Terms like “the west”, “modernity” and “traditionalism” are spook laden and really quite harmful (to your head even) and you need to learn how to better identify the problems and how to fix exactly what it is that’s bothering you.
But since it is a macro level problem, you’re only going to be able to fix what the mass majority feels the same way about. The steps after are also difficult

>>18569661
SCHIZOS AND MISOGYNISTS LEAVE
NAO!!!

>>18570068
Your novelty has worn off.
Please fuck off

>>18570118
Invalid gripe

>>18570127
Is it really?

>>18567528

that image is wild. I can't believe people like that actually exist. probably very likely to commit suicide or end up in some institution

>>18570288
You wonder why they say to take your meds, or schizo?
It's projection. The meds for the trannies, and schizo for the kikes. Picrel

>>18570068
>spook laden
>quite harmful
you are really going to have to better identify the problems and how to fix blah blah blah i'm a stupid girl i can't think

>>18566850
>NOOO NOT MY HECKINNG CUTE BUILDERINOS! CHANGING ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IS WHITE GENOCIDE NOOOOO!!!

>>18567002
>you bust fat ropes over
haha

>>18570350
>predisposes to schizophrenia
Schizophrenia genes (immunity to schizophrenia, being able to stomach it) => higher creativity, lower IQ
Lack of schizophrenia genes (population selection against the trait) => less creativity, higher autism, higher IQ

https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1270554457047216130
"Schizophrenia risk increases with every IQ dropped and the same genes that increase schiz risk also impair mental function in normals"
https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1270550970246795266
"This is an old, well established connection between schizophrenia risk and creativity"

https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1278678660363497474
Because schizophrenia is associated with low IQ, it is not a surprise than Finns are both the smartest and blondest people in Europe. And while I don’t know any personally, I would predict that the world’s most boring man is probably a Finn.
https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1278675376806518784
"The argument I’m making here is that because of selection against schizophrenia at high latitudes Scandinavians have become hypodopamigeric, which would imply that their bodies produce less growth hormone"

https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1270553543414550528
"D helps protect Irishmen against rickets and inflammatory diseases, but an expected benefit of the selection was this it provided them with a stronger immunity to schizophrenia than any other North European people. Psychotism is a plus if your body can handle it and they could."
https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1270551242926931969
"In whites who are psychotic, creative, or creatively psychotic there is a noticeably increased tendency to have extremely thick dark hair and thick eyebrows. I’ll now put on a slideshow of great creative crazies of this type:"
https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1270550811307802626
"Blacks have higher pulses of growth hormone than whites do and much of what makes their appearance distinctive is similar to changes seen in acromegaly: thick hair and dry skin, loud, deep voices, large hands."

>>18569108
Literally no one said that, retard

>>18567147
>that pic
Kimochi warui

>>18571561
Yes.

>>18566850
Pic
>isn't schizo
Schizo books are best books
>>18568899
>>18567075
>>18567629
Based
>>18567608
>>18567593
Absolute state of redditpol,the Vaush post is especially retarded

>>18571561
>misconstruing OP that badly
embarrassing

>>18566850
This video is a Schopenhauerian interpretation of contemporary art:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FPdrLlshRA

>>18567033
What if I refuse? What will you do next?

is there a direct correlation with the decreasing white population of the US and its quality of life, or is that just my schizophrenia

>>18566850
knocking down old buildings and building new ones is not exclusively the domain of "the west".

You are all retards.
200 years from now small minded retards like you will be busting fat nuts over contemporary architecture, just as it has always been.

I haven't read it, but I'm under the impression that E. Michael Jones' The Slaughter of Cities is informative and not schizo.

>>18566850
What was - will be, what will be - was.

>>18572346
That image is legitimately retarded.
But then again, if you base your entire identity around the political compass then you probably are an NPC trying to fit in

>>18572393
Not only does this strawman completely ignore the main issue that people have with modern architecture, but it highlights the mind numbing stupidity that people have in regard to trends and beauty.

>>18571635
Oh wow, here's the Jew trying to cover for the fact that his little desert cult have inbreed themselves to the point where a debilitating mental illness has become the norm.

>>18571702
I know.
See >>18569271

>>18567152
Who the fuck brought up magic? Away with you

>>18567002
Everyone will hate you, laugh, post memes, clown you, but at least one person (me), knows, my dear friend, that you are right.

>>18567318
>>18567297
No.

>>18569259
Because I have morals and I am not a hedonist. My life does not revolve around such superficial, carnal desires.

oh no, not our 19th-century British neogothic and US federal neoclassical buildings!

>>18567094
>history is cyclical
t. Read a Spengler Wikipedia page

>>18569504
Also the appeal to populism, the peasant trust in "common sense," things that become popular deserve to be so because of some inherent virtue. Really the degree to which marketers and critics (who are also really disguised marketers) have influence over artistic production to signal to anyone with nose or eyes that our culture smells rather darkly

>>18567002
Civilizations are primarily aesthetic. They’re supposed to be superficial.

>>18566850
MacIntyre

>>18566850
The "after" buildings pay both respect to our past and inspire our future. Do you think we should return to the past? No and our buildings should not reflect that. Modern architecture reminds us of our history whilst taking contemporary culture/knowledge (new materials etc.) into account whilst inspiring our grand future. And I'll be damned if Sunderland Town Hall isn't a glimpse into our glorious future.

>>18567002
Isn't Gothic architecture based on medieval styles? And classical based on Roman and Greek.

>>18569375
Based

>>18568028
Post-modernist reinforced concrete cemetery on the left (much celebrated by architects) is already crumbling. It's barely used. Old pastiche on the right will go on being fixed up because it's loved, and plaster and tiles are cheap.

>>18566850
Whatever you take issue with has been dealt with in cogent fashion by Leo Strauss. I recommend starting with Three Waves of Modernity.

>>18574388
Our glorious future.
Of indentured slavery mixed with the atomization of human life into semi-sentient commodities.
Can't fucking wait dude.

>>18574395
You're thinking of Neo-Gothic and Neo-Classical, which are modern styles that imitate medieval Gothic and ancient Classical architecture.
For example the White House is Neo-Classical, the Pantheon is Classical.

>>18567164
You really think someone would just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>18574513
There are plenty of spaces still for free people to stand upright above the smog. It's your own fault you're a wagie

>>18569395
I suspect that the original goal of the (((people))) employing it was the deconstruction of Western values and means of life to implement a much more controllable and mailable lifestyle.
However, with the last decade it has gotten out of control and has become a self destructive force, eating itself and waking people up.

>>18574551
Other anons have posted further screenshots proving what that anon said is correct.
See >>18569723
Do you want to try again?

>>18574557
Are you sure about that?

>>18567002
You are correct.

>>18574579
I'm sure about both of those things, even in the face of muh inflation and muh Fed, Ron

>>18574613
Alright. The window is closing fast, however, behind a burning house.
I'll play the system as long as it stands, but when it comes down I'm Getting the fuck out as soon as possible

>>18566850
no, because they west is not declining. you are

>>18574564
You're posting on /lit/ retard, nobody cares about this board. If you want to be analysed by think tanks, go to /pol/

This article is interesting because it highlights the dynamic between city planners and the public over the decision to demolish the medieval core of Nottingham for a shopping centre: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54793917

>Would not, they argued, a revitalised medieval street, already popular, attract more tourists and shoppers than a new shopping centre?

>They caused enough of a storm that public inquiries were held at various stages of the development, where the protesters and council representatives each had to plead their case.

>A representative of the architects, Ian Fraser & Associates boldly claimed: "We believe our professional skill and sensitivity will make the new area just as interesting and attractive as the old."

>Documents show a Miss A.M. Mills called the plans "a cheap imitation of an American town".

>One unnamed official responded to the campaign by saying: "Isn't it ludicrous that a few old ladies should be allowed to spend time and money questioning the decisions of experts?"

>>18574624
We'll see. Millenarianism has been around for ages and hasn't yet once been right. It's always based in a misapprehension of some branch of science that peasant vulgarity renders a metaphysic (in this case, that most dismal of all sciences itself, economics). Of course, maybe this time the rapture will take place, and we city dwellers will be eaten alive by the sunburnt races while you innawoodsers think what a good decision you've made, how lucky you were to by so beloved of God as to be endowed with the "good judgment and common sense" to see the apocalypse coming. We'll see.

>>18574664
>Millenarianism has been around for ages and hasn't yet once been right.
>Millenarianism (also millenarism), from Latin mīllēnārius "containing a thousand", is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming fundamental transformation of society, after which "all things will be changed".
Are you legitimately fucking stupid? Rapid change has been the norm for the last 30 years around the world, whether it be political, with the fall and rise of countries and dictatorships, cultural and social changes etc.
Your aloof naiveté (or ignorance) is confounding. To say that we in the West are immune to the changing sands of time while everything else isn't is beyond retarded.

>>18574760
Did you just cite the first fucking sentence of the Wikipedia definition to me because you had to look up the word? And you're calling me ignorant? Millenarianism connotes a decided religious aspect. And don't think secular, economic millenarianism is any less religiously motivated than superficially religious millenarianism: the form of the revelation is the same, only the content differs. And I don't really feel like arguing with a Wiki article, so why don't you try holding a thought or judgment that wasn't pre-chewed for you, just to try it?

>>18567164
>Craig Wright is satoshi
instantly dropped right there.

>>18566850
But the ones on the left are some prior architectural style's "after" photos.
That doesn't make any sense.

For example renaissance architecture, or gothic for fuck's sake.

Why your special snowflake architectural style is ((the best))?

>>18574855
Why yes I had to look up the word, because believe it or not "Millenarianism" isn't used in everyday conversation you pompous retard.
And I will thoroughly and violently denounce your use of that word in your critique of my post, because it isn't applicable, as it ignores basically a half century of geo-political and economic happenings. From the fall of the Soviet Union, the banking crisis in '08, the rising debt in the United States, the break up of Yugoslavia to the rampant rise of intersectionality to the internet becoming the global dominant means of communication, business and culture exchange, to a million other things I'm missing that has happened.
The West is not immune to change. Whether for the better or the worse. And your rejection of this notion, and hiding behind Millenarianism to denounce anyone who (rightfully) calls out the catastrophic damage that certain issues (like the 28 Trillion dollar debt that the US currently has, that rose by 2 trillion from the previous year) that are present in our society is fucking retarded.

>>18575059
Ah, now I see the issue: to speak to you I would be required to speak exclusively in words. The "West," if such an appeal to geography makes sense anymore, far from being "immune to change," is the intellectual mother of the very change that you so abominate. And I have always believed this, from my first reply to you. The West, western capitalism and the family of interlocking, mutually symbiotic notions that compose it, subsist on this, what you call "radical," change. But obviously I may as well be speaking a foreign language to you. "This one must be an agitator: whatever goes into him comes out dull and thick, heavy with the echo of a great emptiness."

>>18567002
>>18567033
>>18567116
>>18567174
Based sex-haver
>>18567239
Seethe more

>>18575124
Wow, all those word and you have nothing to say.
>Abominate
I don't though. I welcome change and violently detest stagnation, as it is stagnation that is the greatest enemy of mankind.
>The West, western capitalism and the family of interlocking, mutually symbiotic notions that compose it, subsist on this, what you call "radical," change.
And yet it is not immune to it's destructive power. Like fire, one must respect it, and handle with care as to not get burned. As I have seen in my lifetime, that has not been the case.
You are a retard and faggot. And your posts have shown nothing me not a man, but a well trained parrot.
Good day to you, Polly.

>>18575180
You're still raiding?
Third times a charm I guess.

>>18574214
Faggot response

>>18574629
really nigga

>>18575206
I don't even know who that is, it was just funny seeing (You) sperg out because of someone telling you to have sex. I'm sorry if you fell victim to tranny-manipulation.

>>18567002
>The gothic architecture you bust fat ropes over would've appalled your small minded ancestors when it was new.
I doubt it, it is inherently beautiful. Post-modern, brutalist etc architecture is only beautiful in the eyes of the architects who design such buildings and soviet larpers

>>18575274
That is Aero, confirmed sexual predator and 4chan raider.
We had a raid yesterday in this thread. You can look back ITT and see what I'm talking about.

>>18567776
Retarded take, very retarded.

>hurr what is subversion and/or degeneration of societies

>>18567147
>Cheaper to maintain
Yeah but they always end up being demolished because they look horrible and sometimes get condemned. Beautiful architecture will always be beautiful, timeless and worth paying more for. Even if it is a neo-classical style (for example) that is made with modern techniques and simply has a facade on the front. It still looks far better than these dogshit post-modern heaps of shite

>>18567269
>>18567239
He has a monkey brain so cannot focus on anything higher than his base instincts (e.g. beauty). His soul only contains one part, the retarded animal part.

>>18567501
>the comic
Every fucking time ahahahahahahahah

>>18568963
You got it backwards.
>>18568899
Based

>>18567002
Moron

>>18569306
Cunt detected. Shut up ugly woman.

>>18574635
If you don't think that those same groups don't go to the other boards then you are a fool.

>>18569306
Its not hard at all to have sex, having sex with a woman (not you) who is greater than 4/10 and under 300lbs (not you) is the difficult part for some (you)