/lit/ - Literature

>Socrates! You shall not think!
What did he mean by this?

God is not a gross answer, God is nothing more than an excuse for power. It’s a stick to beat people with, and anyone who doesn’t think this is a fool who doesn’t deserve to be free

>>18550355
Wow!
Thousands of years of human contemplation, wondering, questioning, wars, heated debates, about the nature of Gods, Divinity, Religion and you came up with a summation that puts it all to rest.
Pack it up folks, this guy figured it out, it's all about power, glad we can put that to rest.

>>18550378
Your snarky response immediately proves the fellow right.

>>18550398
It doesn't do that in the slightest but if typing that out made you feel good have at it.

>>18550355
>ho doesn’t deserve to be free
>I deserve to be free because I believe God doesn't exist
>I deserve to be free because I believe in God
What's the difference? In both cases there is no truth value.

>>18550355
>God is nothing more than an excuse for power.
The most legitimate excuse for power. Anything else is counterfeit.

>>18550378
>Thousands of years of human contemplation, wondering, questioning, wars, heated debates, about the nature of Gods, Divinity, Religion
and still nobody can agree on anything

>I do not by any means know atheism as a result; even less as an event: It is a matter of course with me, from instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too exuberant to stand for any gross answer. God is a gross answer, an indelicacy against us thinkers - at bottom merely a gross prohibition for us: you shall not think!

>>18550147
>In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am englightened by my intelligence. *tips inability to understand Plato*
Atheism has never really changed.

>>18550493
Filtered

>>18550147
Kek this is genuinely funny.

>Filtered

>>18551281
Thanks for admitting it.

>>18550147
Always funny to see non-whites get filtered by that quote.

>>18551613
Yeah it's super deep amirite

>>18550147
Nietzsche must have read people like Aquinas and Augustine, how could he have had such a meme conception of god

>>18551670
It isn't, which is what makes it funny.

>>18550355
>>18550147
God exists regardless of your feelings about him.

His name was God. He was based. Then one day, suddenly, He wasn't.

>>18551974
Which God?

>>18550442
This. In BGE Nietzsche comes close to asserting it explicitly. The will to power is the will to the divine, that is man’s own divinization.

>>18551999
YHWH

>>18552066
So you’re a jew, then?

>>18551999
I am always confused by how atheists think this is clever.

>>18552864
It's a simple test. If you don't say "all gods exist," then you are a solipsist.

>>18550355
This is truly the most brainlet answer someone can give regarding the existence of a god or gods. Their entire body of opinion is essentially rendered worthless by this statement.

>>18552903
You don't know what solipsism means...

>>18552944
You don't know what God means.

>>18552842
YHWH has a metaphysical and not ethnical signified.

>>18553025
Metaphysics is genetic.

>>18552842
“Yahweh” is the only thing worthy of the name of God. Resurrection of Jesus is the best proof of this

>>18552842
Nazis are spiritually trannies.

>>18553034
signifiers are.

>>18553043
>signifiers
Splitting hairs

>>18553050
You were half right, your retardation must be genetically related

>>18553063
No, I was completely right.

>>18550147
>that forehead
look at this man cursed by God

>>18553199
>hairline not influenced by the sheer size of frontal lobes
brainlet in the most literal sense.

>>18550147
>>I do not by any means know atheism as a result; even less as an event: It is a matter of course with me, from instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too exuberant to stand for any gross answer. God is a gross answer, an indelicacy against us thinkers - at bottom merely a gross prohibition for us: you shall not think!
Lol. Nietzsche is an atheist, so he has no fixed ''believes''. Nietzsche hates christian because christian think about the long term. Nietzsche wants to live in the present moment.

Do you know who else live in the present moment? Women.
Yeah that's right, atheism is feminism.

I will tell you everything there is to know about women, and then you can replace ''women'' with ''atheist'' in general and ''Nietzsche'' in particular.

one of the biggest red pills is the first time you realize that women experience literally no disconnect between saying X when it feels good to say X, and completely betraying and contradicting X five seconds later when it feels good to do that. women like to "try on" male-centric morals and virtues like children playing dress-up, but they don't actually know what it means to set up a virtue as an objective principle for oneself and then resist the temptation to break it in future moments when it stops being convenient and pleasant.

so if you ask a woman what kind of guy she values, she will blab on and on for hours about how noble she is and how she sees through superficiality and only wants sweet genuine men and etc., etc., etc. then five seconds later she'll completely contradict everything she said. the key thing to understand about women is that they don't perceive any difference here. from a man's perspective, you are thinking "but she said 'i only do X' and two seconds later she did 'non-X'?" this is because the fundamental modality of male consciousness is erecting principles and trying to follow them - even if you're a shitty man, it just means you're shitty and weak at erecting principles, not that the FUNDAMENTAL modality of principle-erection is absent. a woman's fundamental modality is "doing what i feel like." to a woman, that behavior is completely consistent: in the first instance, she did what she felt like. then she did what she felt like again. only a man perceives that the CONTENT of the actions was contradictory, i.e., would be contradictory if performed by a man. but for a woman whose primary stream of consciousness is "what do i want to do right now? :) perhaps i'll wear a ribbon in my hair tomorrow, tra lala!," no such contradiction occurred, or indeed is even possible.

>Christianity bad
No wonder Jews love shilling Nietzsche.

>>18550398
No it doesnt you fucking reddit pleb piece of shit.

>>18552977
Get a load of this nigger faggot.

>>18553381
>OMG HE JUS SAY DA BAD WORDS

>>18550355
Holy reddit

>>18553036
Yahweh was a Canaanite war god, so that’s not very universal

>>18553372
>>18553567
rent free from a fucking website
touch grass

>>18553832
YHWH literally means ‘I am’.

>>18553039
Spiritualists are literally trannies.

>>18554068
Yeah and that am is the God of the Bible that chose the Jews and gave them land, nuked cities from the stratosphere, instituted circumcision, and sent a bunch of prophets.

If you want metaphysical principles go to the Greeks. If you want a highly particular deity go read the Bible.

>>18554158
okay?

>>18554240
god isnt real tho...?

>>18554240
Please just shut the fuck up.

>>18554258
ok
>>18554259
cope

>>18553241
based incel

>>18554240
this

Do you think Nietzsche would regret all his ideas if he could see the state of the world today? His ideas are more than a little responsible for how we ended up where we are.

>>18554342
>His ideas are more than a little responsible for how we ended up where we are.
How do you figure?

>>18550493
>literally says he isn't an atheist
>fedora pic
You are far worse than those you wish you were superior to

>You are far worse than those you wish you were superior to

>>18554391
>>literally says he isn't an atheist
Learn to read.

>>18554406
But that poster is correct.

>We "men of knowledge" have gradually come to mistrust believers of all kinds; our mistrust has gradually brought us to make inferences the reverse of those of former days: wherever the strength of a faith is very prominently displayed, we infer a certain weakness of demonstrability, even the improbability of what is believed. We, too, do not deny that faith "makes blessed": that is precisely WHY we deny that faith PROVES anything—a strong faith that makes blessed raises suspicion against that which is believed; it does not establish "truth," it establishes a certain probability—of DECEPTION. What is the situation in the present case? These nay-sayers and outsiders of today who are unconditional on one point—their insistence on intellectual cleanliness; these hard, severe, abstinent, heroic spirits who constitute the honor of our age; all these pale atheists, anti-Christians, immoralists, nihilists; these skeptics, ephectics, HECTICS of the spirit (they are all hectics in some sense or other); these last idealists of knowledge in whom alone the intellectual conscience dwells and is incarnate today—they certainly believe they are as completely liberated from the ascetic ideal as possible, these "free, VERY free spirits"; and yet, to disclose to them what they themselves cannot see—for they are too close to themselves: this ideal is precisely THEIR ideal, too; they themselves embody it today and perhaps they alone; they themselves are its most spiritualized product, its most advanced front-line troops and scouts, its most captious, tender, intangible form of seduction—if I have guessed any riddles, I wish that THIS proposition might show it!—They are far from being FREE spirits: FOR THEY STILL HAVE FAITH IN TRUTH.

tl;dr - Nietzsche was not an atheist so much as he was anti-idealist, and he saw modern atheism (which manifests in the form of logical positivism) as the next generation of the previously theistic ideal.

>>18554240
Theosophy is above rationalism/metaphysics. The latter is important as hermeneutical tool. Jews wrote about haecceity a few hundreds of years before the first greeks.

>>18554331
Nietzsche worshipped jews.

>>18554462
>Nietzsche worshipped jews.
Let me guess, you read a quote where he said something positive about Jews once / mistook his opposition to antisemitism to be evidence of philosemitism? Most of Genealogy and Antichrist are him blaming Jews for historically causing the triumph of slave morality at large and the nihilism that Europe now faces. Nietzsche's philosophy is thoroughly ascemitic, rejecting the whole shebang of Abrahamism.

>>18553881
t.reddit

>>18554490
>The concept of philo-Semitism is not new, and it was arguably avowed by such thinkers as the 19th-century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, who described himself as an "anti-anti-Semite."[2]

>him blaming Jews for historically causing the triumph of slave morality at large and the nihilism that Europe now faces
Of which he was a great contributor, besides aberrations like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzschean_Zionism

Either way, slave morality doesn't exist, perspectivism cannot grant objectivity.

>>18550493
based

>>18554541
>first point
Addressed in my previous post.

>second point
So he's to blame for everyone who responded to him? What should he have done then, write nothing? Bet you'd have preferred that.

>slave morality doesn't exist
That's your perspective and it's a Judaeo-Christian one.

>>18554599
Friedrich Nietzsche's corpus basically reads as an introduction to the lifestyle of an aspiring zionist. Constant critical lack, or deficiency, of the noble ethicomoral prerequisite, necessarily leads the motivated volition of the superabundant entity along the path of villainy, by way of satanism/demonism/paganism, toward its destination in Hell.

>your perspective
Yes and it cannot be objective, that is, not definite, therefore not ''Judaeo-Christian''. I could simply call your perspective dumbnigger perspective which is closer to objectivity.

>>18554694
>Friedrich Nietzsche's corpus basically reads as an introduction to the lifestyle of an aspiring zionist.
So I'm conversing with either someone who never read Nietzsche, who is extremely dishonest, or who is a literal retard. Maybe even all three.

>Yes and it cannot be objective
No one but your lot cares.

>>18550378
>Thousands of years of human contemplation, wondering, questioning, wars, heated debates, about the nature of Gods, Divinity, Religion
...that were justified and reasonable and werent kept alive because its good cope?

>>18551974

It's exactly the other way round. god is undeserving of worship, regardless of whether he exists or not.

>>18556811
If God existed why would he be undeserving of worship?

>>18554068
That doesn’t change the fact that he still used to be a local war deity who got a promotion, and was merged together with other Canaanite deities such as El and Baal

>>18554401
Theists indeed are, yeah

>>18556863
The Abrahamic one certainly is. He’s basically nice guy: the deity

>>18556863

Because the creature described is a tyrant, plainly misrepresented as somehow not-a-tyrant by apologists. And the proper moral choice is to reject tyranny, even and especialy in the case that one is powerless to do otherwise (for no other reason than hell-avoidance).

>>18556915
How is he a tyrant?

>>18556915
The proper moral choice is obedience. The biblical acts of tyranny are there to inform us of this, we are here to obey. Like it or lump it.

>>18556944
Does he host a pantheon of other gods in his crib and make love babies with pretty humans like based Zeus? Or does he just kill people and dish out endless punishment for not following his strict set of self-castrating rules?

>>18556944

1) The creation itself. The ideal is nothing. And if a god is perfect, then he does not require a creation. he is serene and sufficient unto himself, with nothing else.
2) But, fictional fool and psychological projection of humanity that he is, he created something, while suffering suffering to exist in what he had created. We already have errors compounded on errors. He could even have rectified this secondary possibility, this downgrade from nothing, by making it into a SIMPLE Something. A Big Rock Candy Mountain where everybody gets cummies all the time and nobody misbehaves, because it is not in their nature to do so. After all, god doesn't get bored. But no, there's complexity and strife, further signs that the thing is the psychological projection that it is.
3) Around this point someone will say "But Muh Free Will". Someone will be WRONG, taking up a minor point. We have been led so far astray from the obvious goofs in 1) and 2) that we are reduced to the discussion of theology, the most impoverished discourse that ever took place.

>>18556957
Glorious liberty! The foundation of the Faustian spirit! May you go immediately to the end and conquer the authority of your genitals by moulding it to your glorious will.

>>18556999
nice digits, I have my own belief in God and here is my reasoning behind it I've been developing, first time sharing it on 4chan so feedback is welcomed.

The universe is expanding therefore Big Bang, two possible causes

1) everything already there but compressed, then exploded. (impossible if black holes exist. When matter is compressed to a certain volume to mass ratio a black hole forms allowing nothing that falls into its gravity well to escape therefore no explosion therefore cause 1 of Big Bang is impossible.

2) something from nothing. Logically nothing cannot create something, therefore that which created the universe (our something) was created by a different something ( the Godhead).

Math Proof that something (represented by non zero numbers) cannot be derived from nothing (represented by 0)
0 + 0 = 0
0 * 0 = 0
0 - 0 = 0
0 / 0 = undefined (still not something)

Common objection to #2 proof: The universe came from a special particle like the Higgs Boson.

Response: the Higgs Boson, and any other recursive cause of it, is a something, a something must come from a something and a recursive process must have a base case. In a finite universe the set of recursive causes (recursive somethings) will eventually become exhausted and the final logical conclusion is the Godhead.

>>18557149

I skimmed your post and I didn't bother to read it due to the arithmetic and the pop-sci reference to Higgs Boson. The chosen image and opening "okay here's my theory guys" make it even shallower.

>>18550378
>Gods
>Divinity
doesn't exist
>Religion
tool to keep stupid people in check

Wondering about it surely is an amazing proof of its validity

>>Gods
>>Divinity
>doesn't exist
>>Religion
>tool to keep stupid people in check

>Wondering about it surely is an amazing proof of its validity

>>18553322

I bet I could put the fear of god into the non believers
If you know what I’m talking about, you know there’s no reason to respond
If you (you) me on this one, you just haven’t lived long enough to have any close calls

>>18557340
The West is Christian, it began with the taming of Pagan trannies. Deal with it.

>Gods
>Divinity
Heh, the burden of proof is on thee!

>Religion
A mere tool to keep the hoi polloi in check!

Neet btfo

>>18550147
>r/atheism tier

>>18550147
Can we stop the neetch bullying?

>>18562083
I say allow it, Christians need a way to vent after a day's worth of cucking after all.