/lit/ - Literature

Herman Melville smoking weed
Herman Melville smoking weed

i hate women

There is plenty of debate on this board. Unfortunately "debate" now has connotations of homosexual twitter and youtube ecelebs shouting at eachother in cringy skype roundtables, for many zoomers. Of course those debates are bad, and all who enjoy or participate in them should kill themselves.

>>18547901
>arguing with anon
>get btfo
>reset IP and pretend I'm someone else supporting my claims
>do this several times until the other person concedes due to social pressure
I always win

Dunno seeing as debating is the favorite past-time for pseuds.

>>18547901

Debates on the internet, particularly on here, devolve into ad hominem quickly, and the topics themselves are repetitive.

Debate isn't literature.

>>18547921
That's amateur:
>arguing with anon
>get btfo
>pretend to be the person I'm arguing with and make a retarded point
>respond to "him" and btfo "him"

>>18547901
Round these parts we throw tantrums when anyone says something we don't like. And we're damn good too, but you can't be any geek off the street. Gotta be handy with the sneed if you know what I mean to earn your keep.

>>18547952
>that isn't me

>>18547916
Genuinely curious about /lit/'s take on various personalities. What do people think about

>Jason Unruhe
>Vaush
>HasanAbi
>Destiny
>Jimmy Dore
>Tim Pool
>StyxHexenHammer
>Saigon of Akkad
>Nick Fuentes

To give a wide spectrum of non-corporates.

>>18547952
kek I do the same. They either pathetically try to explain it wasn't them posting or just fuck off. Win/Win.

>>18547901
I don't but it is mostly a waste of time. I would rather read something that was thought carefully and throughout examined. It is ok as an entertainment. I used to watch Sam Harris debate with Peterson to get sleepy (the beginning is boring as hell, it does get better but that start never fails).

>>18547901
Debate is only worth doing when both party are open to having their minds changed
uninvited debates are just pointless shit flinging matches

>>18547982
Why watch a debate or even get into one when you can unironically read a book and literally have your 'mind changed' by the greatest minds?

>>18547969
>Hasanabi
Based gigachad
>Vaush
Based onions-faced debatelord
>Tim Pool
Sometimes he copes a little too much

its a circlejerk of pseuds a lot of the time

>>18547969
I like Nick

>>18547990
Or even debate with a book. Debates are useful for rethorics practice.

>>18547969
I wish they'd all board a 747 heading to a debate convention and it crashed and they were all reduced to teeth and ashes.

>>18547990
>>18548000
it's the act of coming up with a defense and formulating a response that really cements an idea in one's mind
something along the lines of teaching someone else is the fastest way to learn yourself

>Presents great arguments
>Presents good evidence
>Opponent wins on a technicality because of one point in the discussion
Debates are fucking stupid and shouldn't be used for finding objective truths.

>>18547901
Because it's performative nonsense. A debate is a public 'discussion' that aims only to impress its audience, not reach any sort of truth or consensus.

>>18548017
But you will get a sloppy execution, anon. How many debates were turned into books? Compare it to the amount of letter exchanges that turned into books or even scientific articles going 'back and forth'. Those are somewhat a debate, but one of much higher quality than anything you could get in a couple of hours.

>>18547901
Most of this board sees debate as either argument or entertainment and have no real idea of the purpose of debate.

>>18548035
Debates aren't breeding grounds for ideas
it's a way to prove, or simply strengthen your understanding of a concept
it's less about the idea presented and more about the person presenting it

This board hates everything that hurts their feelings. From women to difficult books. It's not even funny anymore, I'm leaving this fucking place.

>>18547901
I have zero respect for the people here so I don't think they're worth serious replies and thus I shitpost and tell them to kill themselves.

>>18548052
and on top of that, I might add, reading a book and having a debate aren't mutually exclusive things
a person who reads is a good student, but a person that debates on top of reading has the potential to become a great teacher himself

>>18548054
see you tomorrow faggot

>>18547969
They're all grifters and manic ecelebs looking for their narcissistic supply fix, the male equivalent of an instagram bitch trying to build her "brand." They can be useful for funneling zoomers toward your preferred political ideology, but anyone who needs to watch a fucking youtuber to get his information and worldview is so retarded as to be dangerous. They are the zoomers so broken by zoomer culture that they can't be saved, only steered and herded into areas where they can do the least harm.

Dore is in a bitchfight with TYT but if you dig into it, he's being astro-turfed as much as they are. Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal are definitely receiving money to deny the Chinese genocide and probably support Russian/Syrian causes, and Dore has gone from having them on to boosting them in a way that is too consistent and sophisticated for his stoner brain. He is definitely being paid too. None of this is new, look into the Congress for Cultural Freedom and Encounter Magazine, and read this:
https://www.openculture.com/2017/10/how-the-cia-funded-supported-literary-magazines-worldwide-while-waging-cultural-war-against-communism.html

Both sides of the Cold War did this and the techniques continue today. Look into the NED:
https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/20/inside-americas-meddling-machine-the-us-funded-group-that-interferes-in-elections-around-the-globe/
In fact the apparatus that used to do this shit during the Cold War is now so massive that it is effectively running multiple states. This is what Peter Dale Scott refers to as the "deep state," and you don't have to be a conspiracyfag to know it exists.

But notice I'm linking to the Gray Zone here while saying it's probably bankrolled by the other side's equivalent of the NED. That's because everything is like this. The best you can do is try to line up which ones are "least harmful" and least dishonest. Chomsky once said, when asked what news media one should read, that all of them are dishonest and bought and paid for, so you just sort of have to read all of them and try to get the actual truth through the gaps.

Many of these youtube fags are probably bankrolled like this too. TYT is, in a softer more indirect way, because they just took easy Democrat money and now can't criticize the Dems. That's what Dore is taking aim at.

Destiny and Vaush are milquetoast neolib centrists grifting the centrist niche of people uncomfortable with the rise of "alt" political cultures. They are pap. Styx is probably a real person because he is so autistic he sticks to certain ideological guns out of pride. Tim Pool is a manic grifter who has convinced himself he is a journalist.

Fuentes is a wildcard. He may be pushing actual change, he may also be a grifter desperate for attention and LARPing in his own mind as Young Hitler. Again don't trust any of these people, instead follow the money, always ask cui bono, and at most, study how they are affecting and steering discourse.

>>18547969
They all sound American therefore retarded

>>18547901
you simply debating with another person?
or those retarded debate contests with points and winners by committee

>>18548076
>you simply
do you mean

>>18547992

Piker is the biggest grifter of them all, literally dumbs himself down and just screams brah over caricatures of his ideological opponents while his moronic fans thumbs up the chat. His vitriol over Ayaan Hirsi Ali was disgusting.

Too many tradzoom pseudo-scholastics, they just cite scripture or their favorite commentator.

>writing all this crap about some idiots you pretend not you care about
You're a bigger loser than them

>>18548052
Yes, you get better at rethorics and you also have to study whatever you are going to debate. But consider me, your regular anon, why would I bother with it? I would rather read some book. I'm sufficiently autistic that I'm able to 'have a conversation' with a book.

Dunno what teaching has to do with debates. Being a great teacher has more to do with the exercising of fascination. Those who manage to do that are the geniuses. Of course, they also have to dominate their field, but that by itself is nothing.

>>18547969
>Vaush
Bloatlord, 100% in it for the money and argues in bad faith constantly in order to follow a narrative he can exploit for marketing purposes online, waiting for the day he feels compelled to argue one of his beliefs in good faith and his fanbase ends up consuming him.
>Hasan
Communist Jonas Brother, his only value is being attractive so younger comrades can have a leftist to masturbate to and idolize given so many of them are disgusting to look at, it's amazing when a man as dumb as Jesse Lee Peterson can make you look retarded.
>Destiny
Seems to genuinely give a shit about the logical conclusions to his beliefs and has become more moderate over time, was a cuckold at one point but I can only hope he's learned his lesson.
>Sargon
Survived the longest out of liberals pushing against SJW's in the 2010's without becoming a faggot twitter leftist (see Shoe), gamergate was justified and did nothing wrong.
>Tim Pool
Went from someone who investigated no go zones as unbiasedly as he could to a youtube commentator with beliefs shifting with the wind, used to be one of the better news channels before youtube entropy overtook him.

>>18548073

Fuentes strikes me as Book Club Quentin if he only read the Bible and St. Augustine.

>>18548095
To >>18548073

>>18548096
Anon
simply having read a book, and knowing the ideas a book presents are different things
you don't really know how well you know something until you're put on the spot to explain it, or argue against or for it

>>18548108
he read the bible in college

>>18548108
Fuentes is a really interesting indicator of the populist shift in the "Young Republicans" demographic. If you know these assholes then you know it's very hard to get them to abandon or alter the hardened up wad of Republican pseudo-conservative pseudo-ideology, usually some mixture of evangelical/catholic hybrid religious traditionalism, de-ethnicized American patriotism, and "free enterprise" as against "socialism."

Fuentes became interesting when he started pushing hard on the Charlie Kirk types, and creating a center of gravity within the Young Republican demographic to resist the blandification of young zoomer joiners by the Kirk mainstream. This allowed zoomers who would otherwise have gradually surrendered their non-traditional right wing populism to maintain it. But what is really really interesting is that Kirk himself recently went from being yet another Mr. Bowtie Jr. to being Buchananite, like Carlson.

>>18548109
Read before reply

>>18548120
a student has read the book, he think he knows what it's about, he might even be able to recite it word for word
but to truly understand something, to have that knowledge internalized, that requires something more

>>18547952
you all just a babby
>arguing with anon
>get btfo
>reset IP and pretend im someone else and shit all over myself
>btfo myself
>people call me based
>mfw i never lose

>>18547901
When's the last time you ever saw someone convinced by the other side in a debate?
When's the last time someone changed your mind on anything via argument with you directly?

>>18548146
>start a thread
>argue with myself
>nobody replies to my thread but me
>call myself based on both sides of the argument
>thread gets archives

>>18548155
checkd and kekd

>>18547969
Don't care for any of these but Hasan is the only one that actually pisses me off. He's a grown man and he spends all day whining and whining about the state of the world, supporting weak politicians instead of doing something himself. Can't stand watching a man whine like that.

>>18547901
Because debating on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

>>18548150
yesterday

>>18548120
You don't have to get into a debate to do that, anon. A similar effect can probably be achieved by just writing about it or by uploading a video on youtube. Debates are probaly useful if you feel like being a politician. The work of a deputy has a lot of 'debate practice'.

>>18548205
>A similar effect can probably be achieved by just writing about it or by uploading a video on youtube
Not really, no
There's a difference between thinking about something, and actively having that knowledge be challenged

I have no desire to interact with idiots. I have nothing but contempt for people that try to debate me. I usually know exactly what they have to say and where they got their arguments from, and they can't be reasoned with.

As I've gotten older I realize that most of politics is power and manipulation. People need to be dominated and not persuaded. They're not reading books and interrogating their own positions, all of their beliefs come from people in power. I pay attention to the people in power so I don't need some asshole reciting the establishment narrative to me as if it's an independent thought.

>>18548226
That is the point of being picky about books, anon. Would you rather have your knowledge challenged by the greatest of all or someone that is just ok?

>>18548244
ok, I can see this pointless
you have a good day

I see debate happening all the time on here, what do you mean?

Do you mean formal debate? Formal debate hinges too much on the feelings of the audience. Written debate has more weight behind it since words can be precise and thought-out rather than machine-gun thought-to-mouth.

>>18548247
woah good debate. fag.

>>18548247
KEK >>18548193

>>18548252
Don't impersonate me.

>>18547901
debate is just retarded on the face of it nobody is being honest because they want to defend their point not reach a understanding, its just a shitflinging contest the only time you can have a "debate" is with close colleagues and at that point its barely a debate.
>>18548239
this, nobody is being honest with themselves

>>18548267
ad hominem? pathetic.

>>18548276
get better at fishing, anon. Would you feel like debating over the fine art of baiting on internet forums?

>>18548098

Hasan was on Jesse Lee? Oh man.

>>18548138
Read what? Your posts are embarrassing

>>18548247
Pathetic

>>18547907
Is that real?

>>18547969
Imagine knowing and caring about any of these “people”

>>18548533

That's a full political spectrum roughly. You're not wrong to disdain and avoid this shit if that's your choice, but it's hardly irrelevant to society. Like it or not, this is a selection of people with a combined audience of millions.

>>18547907
fpb-
>>18547910
spbp

>>18547901
Would you debate with a female?

because it's just speed talk

>>18548073
>Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal are definitely receiving money to deny the Chinese genocide
even Andrew Anglin has called bullshit on this and he sure isn't getting paid by anyone

>>18548694
Can women be considered as debatable beings?

Debate isn't a book it's a verb

>>18548722
Is the debate gender neutral?

>>18548744
Are dead white males allowed to debate? Or is it a living white male thing?

>>18547901
What would Plato think of it?

It's fun spectacle, pretty bad at genuinely learning anything though in most cases

>>18548073
> Vaush are milquetoast neolib centrists grifting the centrist niche of people uncomfortable with the rise of "alt" political cultures.
I get Destiny but doesn't Vaush consider himself a socialist who looks up to Marx/Hegel and quotes Lenin/Mao. Is there some aspect to him people consider centrist? Genuinely asking

Holy fuck what a shit thread.