/lit/ - Literature

>>18445881
>reading at least one single book of a guy entitles you to have an opinion on a guy

>>18446009
Yes

>>18446020
Ok boomer

>>18445881
Alexander Grothendieck?

/lit/ does this with all authors. Just look at the daily F. Gardner threads.

>>18446039
That’s a good comparison. Strong opinions from people who have never read Call of the Crocodile.

>>18445881
>despite never read a single one of his books.
>is a homosexual pedo
Yeah dont need to

He’s one of those thinkers whose ideas have been so incorporated into broader culture and policy that everyone is entitled to an opinion on him and his work, and because they experience the effects off his ideas directly, what they’re saying is more than likely to be true in some sense or another.

I don't read authors with AIDS

>>18445881
>Reading a pedophile Bataillean

>reading the work of a sodomite pedophile whose only merit was being aligned with the cia
how about no

>>18446009
way more than reading zero books, yes

>>18445881
Yes it's embarrassing how many of the people that hate him would actually like him if they read him. He offers so many incisive critiques of liberal and left-wing dogmas. When you read him you feel like you have for a moment escaped from the hypermoralist hell world of the present day, and you wonder how our current dogmatisms have managed to become so entrenched given what he wrote. I mean this not to suggest that he was a "right-wing" author, but rather a genuinely radical one.

>>18445881
he was right. just look at how everyone here accuses you of being schizo if you express any unusual thoughts, especially spiritual beliefs

>>18446544
>>18446610
this, Foucault is a good thinker and should be reappropriated from sjw hands.

>>18445881
I've read his book on the prison system way back in college and, from what I remember, it was nothing but wild generalizations based on cherry-picked cases.

>>18445881
I read a book from him and it was a waste of time. This guy was dumb as a rock and if you like him you're a midwit.

>>18446711
Not even generalizations. Wilful misinterpretations to create a retarded narrative

>>18446610
>he was right. just look at how everyone here accuses you of being schizo if you express any unusual thoughts, especially spiritual beliefs
Kek, what a retard take, no one is gonna trepanate you because you post /x/-tier shit here.

>>18446009
Not even. You are not allowed to have an opinion on an author until you read and reread at least a fourth of their oeuvre.

why would i read someone that not only was a pedophile but wanted to legalize pedophilia

>>18445881

>>18446711
>>18446729
This criticism could probably be leveled at Madness and Civilization more than D&P. While in both Foucault uses specific instances and extrapolates from them, but more than that he's attempting an exegesis of the historical texts themselves, rather than the events they refer to. As such, sure, you could call it cherrypicking, but it's cherrypicking of the direct words of the people who played a pivotal role in the evolution of these structures.

>>18445881
Agreed, and further you have to read his books in French to earn the right to say anything about him or his ideas.

It's embarrassing how many people will post opinions about this guy despite very obviously having never read a single one of his books.

Finally talking about something

>>18445881
He's french. That is justification enough.

>>18446321
this

how to be a tranny on /lit/

>post leftist "thinker"
>cry about people not understanding him

>>18446068
>He’s one of those thinkers whose ideas have been so incorporated into broader culture and policy

Pray tell, like what?

>>18447497
And yet Foucault was almost spot-on, AIDS was (and to a point still is) used to single out blacks, drug users, and gays. Evidently no one here was alive in the 80s. Foucault did regret his early statements on this anyway but his point about the disease being used for authoritarian ends still rings true. Agamben developed the argument on similar lines during the first half of the COVID lockdown.

>>18448943
>Agamben developed the argument on similar lines during the first half of the COVID lockdown.
lol yeah he was the only foucauldian to stick to his guns when the going got tough. shows how intellectually bankrupt most academics are. >noo you can't just analyze the greatest epidemic of the modern era from a biopolitical perspective, if you don't accept the heckin lockdownerino without question you're literally a nazi!

>>18446009
You can have an opinion of a guy after reading 0 of his books faggot

>>18448943
>bare backers and junkies had no agency, AIDS was forced on them

>>18449320
Shut up nigger

>>18448943
>And yet Foucault was almost spot-on, AIDS was (and to a point still is) used to single out blacks, drug users, and gays
Jesus fuck what a retarded opinion.

>reading Foucault

Foucault is the worst thing that's ever happened to philosophy unless you keep on reading more authors. Then you'll realize that Althusser was even worse. Then you realize Freud was yet worse. Then you'll come across Heidegger, Husserl, Dewey, Marx, Nietzsche... A whole wicked tradition of insanity.

>>18449400
Leave husserl out of this

>>18449412

Big time Jewish tricks. He taught it all to Derrida. No wonder Derrida's first book is about Husserl.

>>18449357
whiter than you muhammad

>>18449400
>he didn’t overcome Kant.

>>18446059
And anon wanted to start with the Greeks....

>>18446068
No. As with Nietzsche, his ideas were grossly misinterpreted and the misinterpretations were incorporated into political thought. You need to actually read both of them in order to have an opinion that doesn't show your asscrack of ignorance the second you bend over to pick it up.

>>18446544
I agree that he has radical ideas, but his general pessimism about political progress saves him from being a utopic retard like the majority of his "followers" are. I'm thinking about how every attempt to reform the prison makes an even worse prison, and yet there are always people clamoring for them to be reformed.

>>18446610
Yes!!

>>18446697
It won't work. They don't read serious books, but they already have all the right opinions on the books they didn't read. Besides, as a mere gay white male, he's no longer in a privileged class and will be abandoned within the decade.

>>18446776
If someone only writes two books, do you get to have an opinion on half a book?

>>18446838
It might help you to know an argument in order to defeat it.

>>18447145
You can have an opinion on Morissey or Sean Penn without reading their awful books. Not all artists are writers.

>>18447294
Sale pédé va te faire enculé par la grosse bite de ta meuf transgenre.

>>18447497
Kek

>>18449313
I didn't read much of the Agamben controversy, but I agree with this. At least in These States every fascist demon within the progressive party came out and proud.

>>18449320
Yeah, but it's an ignorant opinion which only serves to make >>(You) look stupid.

>>18449400
Enjoy your Goodness and Sanity, anon. I will pray for you.

>pic unrelated

>>18447145
I came here to post something along the lines "dudes will go out of their way to say that about hitler and still refuse to read foucault because he fucked kids"

anyone read this? looks fun whether u like foucault or not

>>18449425
Husserl is the least jewish Jew author there is. (he did also convert to Christianism very early in his life).
Ironically, Heidegger is conversely the most jewish non-jew author.
Also you are retarded because Husserl never interacted with Derrida, he learned about Husserl from his teacher Desanti, from who he inherited his inability to express himself properly. Desanti is the (mostly unknown) point where French philosophy became charlatanism.
> "I got turned off from Husserl because you can't merge phenomenology with marxist theory".
Not even joking.

>>18449872
Bloom said Heidegger is the least Jewish author of all time, and he read like a thousand more books than you.

>>18449323
>>18449373
Literally none of you were alive in the eighties or were impacted at at all by the AIDS epidemic. Or at least you don't remember. AIDS was heavily stigmatized even when the people effected weren't drug users, or gay, or black. It was used to restrict their civil liberties even when research showed it wasn't contagious through air or through skin-to-skin contact. Thousands of people died because the US government refused treatment and research into the epidemic. Please please read more zoomers

>>18449872
just because they didnt joust pps doesnt mean there is no intercourse

>>18449888
Nice trip, but your memery isn't welcome here.

>>18449905
Derrida was 8 when Husserl died.

>>18449909

>>18449904
>AIDS was heavily stigmatized even when the people effected weren't drug users, or gay, or black.
Well that's kinda the point. AIDS ridden folks got stigmatized, AIDS was not instrumentalised against blacks, gays or druggies, it just happened that the venn circles covered each other quite a bit.
On top of things, discrimination against AIDS infected (such as the obligation to disclose their health history before sexual encounters as well as forcing them to take the new drugs) are the only way we can hope to beat that disease.

>>18449920
kant was dead as fuck when i read him, so?

>>18449939
shut the fuck up

>>18449476
>No. As with Nietzsche, his ideas were grossly misinterpreted and the misinterpretations were incorporated into political thought. You need to actually read both of them in order to have an opinion that doesn't show your asscrack of ignorance the second you bend over to pick it up.
The interpretation doesn’t even matter. The language and terminology Foucault used was enough to cause harm on its own. As with many things, the notation is just as if not more important than the actual content itself,

>>18445881
I don't think even one anon here ever read all of Eric Andre's books

>>18449476
>Yeah, but it's an ignorant opinion which only serves to make >>(You) look stupid.
I agree, but it's still an opinion. People will think you're stupid anyways. Why do you care if people think you are smart or not?
You know that yourself

>>18450152
> t. AIDS-ridden faggot

>>18445881

Foucault is a meme but I enjoyed his piece on Las Meninas

>>18445881
I'd be more embarrassed if I *had* read a single one of his books.

dude bald aids

>>18453116
dude, bold aids

>>18453119
dude, futura ultra bold

>>18445881
You don't have to read any of his books to know he died from AIDS.

>>18445881
Its embarrasing how men will go out in the street pretending to be women when not a single person will be fooled by their appearance

I don't even particularly like his work (2 continental 4 me, his historical analysis is often reductive and limited in scope but wide in its conclusions, etc.) but man do right-wingers seethe over him for absolutely no reason lmao
There's no reason to hate him more than any other structuralist or post-structuralist, and it's not like he's actually that particularly influential on the left outside some academic circles

>>18449476
>Sale pédé va te faire enculé par la grosse bite de ta meuf transgenre.
c'est "enculer" ici crétin

>>18448943
This is like saying covid is used to single out conservatives who don't trust the health authorities.

You are picrel

>>18446054
fuck this Gardner dude. Why are you so obsessed with him?

I was educated by Catholic/Anglican analytic philosophers, so prejudice against the French was instilled in me quite rigorously. But then I read Derrida's essay, "Plato's Pharmacy," and realized what a deep reader of Plato he was. Half of what he said was stuff I had always believed (but couldn't admit among peers), and the other half was mind-blowing. Of course, he had some errors in his reasoning at critical junctures, but it was just an expansive and faithful treatment of Plato. He makes Gregory Vlastos look like a dunce (yes, the Vlastos who was too stupid to realize that Diotima's description of Eros was obviously also that of Socrates).

I felt like an ass for ever scorning him without reading him. Then I read Lacan's lectures on Plato's "Symposium." I had read the excerpt on the Mirror Stage that everyone reads (thinking Lacan was not worth considering), but he also proved to be a critical and expansive reader of Plato. From my understanding of Foucault, he was more about the Greeks (b/c gay) than either Derrida or Lacan. So, I look forward to reading him on Plato. I'm happy to admit that, despite the depth of my prejudice against the French both generally and in philosophy, those two have pissed away more insights than most Anglo-American classicists ever attain in their career.

>>18445881
He fucked kids and died of aids. Whatever his opinions were, they led him to get killed by his own hedonism and I do not respect them.

>>18453904
>He makes Gregory Vlastos look like a dunce (yes, the Vlastos who was too stupid to realize that Diotima's description of Eros was obviously also that of Socrates).
https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

>>18445881
Reading Foucault is tedious

>>18445881
Who?

>>18453934
>thinks getting any pleasure at all makes you a hedon
Navel-gaze and cope

>>18454409
He got a fuckload of STDs, spread them, ruined lives and literally died in his mindless pursuit of pleasure.

>>18454415
How often did Foucault take LSD?

>>18454437
I’ve no clue. However, the reason why he died was explicitly due to his pursuit of pleasure. Foucault did not die an early death due to the will of some malicious actor, he did not die due to some unpreventable natural catastrophe, he did not die fighting for anything remotely meaningful. He fucked around, got aids and died an early death due to this desire to simply fuck around.

>>18454462
have sex, incell

>>18446544
Dubs of actual insight.

>>18445881
Do you need to read Whatever Shades of Grey to know it's shit?

>>18454415
>>18454437
>>18454462

such resentful and puritanically lobotomized takes

The only Frenchmen worth reading are practicing Catholics, Sunni Muslims, and Albert Camus.