/lit/ - Literature

>>18421904
They are considerably more common than intelligent OPs

Do bully intellectuals exist?

Do serial killer intellectuals exist?

Someone’s going to say Junger or Sun Tzu.

>>18421917
>someone's going to answer the question
OH THE HORROR

>>18421904
Yeah, they are in charge of military strategy

>>18421904
I don't want you snatching up their memoirs so I won't name them

>>18421936
Soldiers and brass aren’t intellectuals for being soldiers or brass.
Military strategists and tacticians, no matter how effective they are, aren’t deep intellects.
Plain enough for ya?

>>18421904
When I worked as a diplomat I met many officers that were well read, but those were mostly higher up ones as opposed to rank-and-file brass. I imagine it's less common on the enlisted side.

>>18421904
Haha bro do you think it's just a coincidence they call it military intelligence?

Clausewitz maybe?

me

>>18421904
Yes there are genius tier people in the military

tim obrien

>>18421904
Junger, Sun Tzu, Socrates, Archimedes, Vonnegut, Hitler

>>18421917
kys tripfag your posts are abhorrent

>>18421904
Varg

>>18421916
fpbp

>>18421904
Yes. They usually become warrant officers or generals, or get out.

>>18422077
you're*

>>18421904
you have to be over 120iq to get into delta force

>>18422151
No, the cutoff for all cool stuff in the army is a 110 GT score

Mussolini claimed to be one. So did Stalin and Mao. The Kim dynasty of NK claims to be made up of intellectuals too but it's a complete sham.

>>18421957
This coming from a vapid cunt who never leaves her apartment and seeks validation from internet neets. Fuck you.

>>18421904
Enoch Powell

>>18422223
>her
anon I.....

>>18421957
That they're soldiers is a necessary but not sufficient condition for them being military intellectuals. Being soldiers alone is not what makes them particularly well known, there were many men just like them in their time who acted similarly in courage and expertise. What makes them military intellectuals are the ideas they have written about.

Reminder most of the Greeks were themselves war veterans including Socrates.

>>18421976
Is being a diplomat interesting, fulfilling, or worth it? Thinking of trying to become an FSO

>>18422152
Cool, my source is Haney's book and he was actually in it so I will go with what he said

>>18422077
>hasn't added this "person" to filters yet
Do it now. Your life gets better.

>>18422253
i was in 175 and my squad leader and a handful of friendss are in cag. You don't need a 120 iq retard that doesn't even make sense. The army uses the ASVAB, which the GT score is a part of, 110 is the max requirment for anything in the military dumb bitch

>>18422253
>Haney
>dude who got called out for making stuff up by other Unit veterans

James Mattis has read thousands of books and said you're illiterate until you've read a few hundred does that count?

>>18421957
Spoken like someone who never has to see war.

t. infantrymen 8 years

Does Henry Kissinger count as one or is he more Political?

>>18422312
Killing isn’t an intellectual pursuit

>>18422312
i bet you have like one boring ass deployment where u didnt do shit and maybe you scammed a cib because a mortar landed within 50 miles of BAF pussy

>>18422427
How would you know if you've never watched the life leave someone's eyes?

>>18422461
Iraq not US military.
>>18422427
Experience determines thought.

I wouldn't be sure about how intelligent military generals are. In some cases being too intelligent can actually be a hindrance, and war isn't really that complicated.

marines, cryptographic linguist
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>>18423022
Need a cryptographic linguist to decipher jarhead speak.

>>18421904
Xenophon, Julius Caesar, Flavius Josephus, Ammianus Marcellinus
*drops mic*
Don't you dare @ me, Butters.

>>18421904
On a similar note, what are some must-reads for officers, regardless of branch?

>>18421904
Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Steve Jobs

>>18422427
Winning wars and securing peace is though

>>18423203
No.
Avoiding wars, knowing why there’s no peace, and taking steps to dismantle the illusion of states is

>18423141
>kicks mic back atcha

>>18421904
Robert McNamara

>>18421904
Marcus Aurelius

>>18421904
yes

https://jdeanicite.typepad.com/i_cite/2006/09/why_the_israeli.html
> asked Naveh why Deleuze and Guattari were so popular with the Israeli military. He replied that ‘several of the concepts in A Thousand Plateaux became instrumental for us […] allowing us to explain contemporary situations in a way that we could not have otherwise. It problematized our own paradigms. Most important was the distinction they have pointed out between the concepts of “smooth” and “striated” space [which accordingly reflect] the organizational concepts of the “war machine” and the “state apparatus”. In the IDF we now often use the term “to smooth out space” when we want to refer to operation in a space as if it had no borders. […] Palestinian areas could indeed be thought of as “striated” in the sense that they are enclosed by fences, walls, ditches, roads blocks and so on.’5 When I asked him if moving through walls was part of it, he explained that, ‘In Nablus the IDF understood urban fighting as a spatial problem. [...] Travelling through walls is a simple mechanical solution that connects theory and practice.’

>>18421917
Pussy

>>18423234
Well that's just your take man. Or are you so closed-minded that you do not recognise other approaches to securing peace?

The self is also an illusion, but it's still a beneficial one. States caretake necessary social and infrastructural dynamics for society in the same way.

>>18423234
Historically war was always something aristocracy engaged in with professional soldiers and volunteers. Civilians were largely unaffected, battles were not to the death. Aristocrats funded through their own private estate and took on private debt.

>>18423234
>it's not an intellectual pursuit because I don't like it!1!!
You're an absolute retard, holy shit.

No. My intellectual acuity has eroded since joining the army.

>>18421904
Who is this guy? Face looks familiar.

no, they only know how to do the pang pang, i mean you are required to be clinically stupid to be accepted into any military, if you slip to the maze as a sane person, they see to it that they make you wonkers

>>18423295
this is a very good find, any more interesting stuff in your folder?

>>18421904
For starters, virtually all Greek writers before Alexander brought forceful peace. Several Roman great writers too of course.
Then you have quite a number of important writers that were soldiers at some point, even outside conscription. Say Descartes. Plus entire generations in early 20th century that were conscripted, if they count.
As for people that were soldiers as a career through their lives, it is less common but you'll find some.

>>18422165
Source for all 4?

Intellectualism's founding purpose was to contradict the principals of might makes right. Any military "intellectual" is someone who is clearly smart enough to know right from wrong, but believes they have an intrinsic authority to move others like chess pieces.

>>18421904
Absolutely.

Just look at the field of nuclear strategy.

You've have for example, Thomas Schelling (The father of Game Theory) and Hermann Kahn (Ladder of Escalation, Madman Theory) both of which their works have significant cultural impacts beyond their influences in nuclear thought.

>>18421904
>‘several of the concepts in A Thousand Plateaux became instrumental for us […] allowing us to explain contemporary situations in a way that we could not have otherwise. It problematized our own paradigms. Most important was the distinction they have pointed out between the concepts of “smooth” and “striated” space [which accordingly reflect] the organizational concepts of the “war machine” and the “state apparatus”. In the IDF we now often use the term “to smooth out space” when we want to refer to operation in a space as if it had no borders. […] Palestinian areas could indeed be thought of as “striated” in the sense that they are enclosed by fences, walls, ditches, roads blocks and so on.’

Smedley Butler bro

>>18422312
So you were a welfare queen for eight years. Congrats on gaming the system.

>>18424014
>Intellectualism's founding purpose was to contradict the principals of might makes right.
Wrong, intellectualism is not moralism, and often times intellectual pursuits directly contradict moral. Think of Da Vinci's creativity being sparked by the blueprints for war machines he sold to Conddottierri, or Einstein's crucial work towards developing the Nuclear bomb. Even Pythagoras was a siege engineer.
I think of the Nazi's as being one of the last good examples of Militant Intellectualism. And I say that as a Jew, not an /pol/cel.

Hitler and his subordinates were utterly obsessed with the idea of Racial superiority, yes, but they were grounded in philosophical and intellectual pursuits. Take Mengeles for example, you would be hard pressed to describe the man as anything but an intellectual. Sure he might occupy the mad scientist archetype because of his callous disregard for human suffering, but ultimately he and those in the Nazi party had married military doctrine with classical thought, add a twist of (applied) Darwinism and you can almost draw a straight line from 1830 - 1933. What better example of a (failed) philosopher king than Adolf himself?

>>18424062
>Think of Da Vinci's creativity being sparked by the blueprints for war machines he sold to Conddottierri
To be honest, Leo designed a project for a diving suit, but refused to create it or divulge this info, because

>«per le male nature delli omini, li quali userebbono li assassinementi ne' fondi mari col rompere i navili in fondo e sommergerli insieme colli omini che vi son dentro»

>for the evil nature of Men, who would used them for murders in seabeds by breaking ships from underneath and sink them together with the men inside.

>Einstein's crucial work towards developing the Nuclear bomb

>Einstein influenced the beginning of the Manhattan Project. In collaboration with Leo Szilard, Einstein wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in 1939, warning of possible German nuclear weapons research and *proposing that the United States begin its own research into atomic energy.*

>Einstein *played no role in the Manhattan Project*, having been denied a security clearance in July 1940 due to his pacifist tendencies. After World War II, he worked to control nuclear proliferation. *He later regretted signing the letter to Roosevelt*, saying in a Newsweek interview that "had I known that the Germans would not succeed in developing an atomic bomb, I would have done nothing."

Emphasis mine

>>18421904
yes, defintely. many great men have understood battle planning and the creation of new, powerful military formations as a deeply intellectual undertaking

>>18423387
I’m open minded enough to realize why wars are fought in the first place. You come off as close minded.

>>18423565
Historical anomalies. The Iliad is a fiction about a pirate raiding society

>>18423632
Because killing and stealing isn’t an intellectual pursuit, retard.

>>18424050
War is a racket

>>18421957
>Women talking about soldiers :D

Talk about owning a penis next oh wait you already have one tranny.

>>18424563
You’re confused.

>>18424555
There are no intellectual pursuits. There are simply things called intellectual pursuits, which depending on your perspective can be defined individually or socially, but which are only ultimately arbitrary designations due to the highly subjective nature of the word as applied. Chess is a game which is commonly designated as an intellectual pursuit, but in and of itself is little more than a highly abstracted, simplified, and gamified facsimile of war on a very small scale. I see chess as a game with an intellectual interface, and I see warfighting in much the same light, it's entirely up to the persons who intermingle in the domain to interact with it in the intellectual capacity, something which naturally emerges from probability.

"The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell" is a pretty good, albeit perhaps "lowminded" rendition of this. It's modern and salient, thoughtful and reflective of the soldier.

>>18424591
I did serve though. So I'm not the one talking out of my ass.

>>18424685
>In the military
>This insecure about his sexuality

>>18424650
Spoken like a real blockhead

>>18421904

Yes, me.

>>18424555
No you don't. You're a retarded fucking nigger. Your communistic ways will cease one of these days. Jewish tricks do not work here. Incredible the daftness of your posts for someone who reads words but does not understand them.

>>18422010
how much reading were you able to do while on tour?

>>18424704
Butterfly what are you doing :3

>>18422301
Mattis is a hapless midwit. His shtick is repeating basic facts in a slow and dramatic voice, putting on the airs of an introspective person, while encouraging rumors that he's a badass. I read Woodward's book and was completely put off with how he fellating Mattis for being an unimaginative boomer neocon.

>>18424704
Aren't you a fan of Gore Vidal?

>>18424844
Sure.
In case you missed it. My point is that being in the military isn’t intellectual in itself. There are intellectuals in the military on spite of it.

>>18424916
No one ever claimed that.