/lit/ - Literature

kek graeber was retroactively BTFO by pinker

Pseud alert.

>>18333243
Graeber died?

all I wanna do is bang cute women, eat spiced meat, and club people over the head when they piss me off. you can take all the modern medicine, iphones, and cars in the world and blow them out your ass.

>>18333256
yes. Last year. Not Rona, it was cancer.

>>18333253

>>18333368
just three men who HAPPEN to be jewish

>>18333243
Doubling life expectancy for what? What life? To live in service to corporations and then to die secluded in a nursing home. The only way to live a fulfilling life in modern society is to defy it.

>>18333243
>>18333253
>>18333368
reject mainstream discourse.

>>18333243
Graeber is cringe.

i believe in progress but it is progress to something very bad

>>18333243
Which one of you is Tony Morley?
Also for a anthropologist Graeber has an unbelievable confidence is multiculturalism

>>18333407
Damn, Syberberg was a genius. Everyone should watch his movie. One of the most lit films ever made.

>>18333464
Based and Kali Yuga-pilled.

>>18333243
No idea is as absurd as the idea of progress, which together with its corollary notion of the superiority of modern civilization, has created its own “positive” alibis by falsifying history, by insinuating harmful myths in people’s minds, and by proclaiming its sovereign at the crossroads of the plebeian ideology from which it originated.

I believe there’s such a thing as progress, I just don’t think we’re doing it in most respects.

Graeber is always worth checking out.

>>18333407
>Israel promotes Marxism
*sigh*

>>18333594
What does progress look like to you wench?

Is "progress" something immaterial like the notion of causation? A % went up or down, but where am I to intuit "progress" just by looking at mere numbers?

>>18333736
Depends on the metric one wants to measure, but I like when. Plurality of people set a goal and they reach it.
Rewilding desolated regions, putting a permanent space station in orbit or the moon. Whatever.
It does get vague as definitions go of course. Say making the medical breakthrough of slowing or stopping the aging process. I personally would love it, but I’d also fear it if it came in this age. Like damn, you just know the evil people are going to take this and lock out the “lower classes”. How’s that progress for ya? It’s a squishy word like all of them.

>>18333736
Depends on the metric one wants to measure, but I like when a plurality of people set a goal and they reach it.
Rewilding desolated regions, putting a permanent space station in orbit or the moon. Whatever.
It does get vague as definitions go of course. Say making the medical breakthrough of slowing or stopping the aging process. I personally would love it, but I’d also fear it if it came in this age. Like damn, you just know the evil people are going to take this and lock out the “lower classes”. How’s that progress for ya? It’s a squishy word like all of them.

>>18333378
>>18333552

>>18333243

>>18333807
you're a huge fucking faggot

>>18333359
It was pancreatitis, which can be caused by any number of things.

>>18333243

>>18334067
I had acute pancreatitis once. Holy shit, it hurt. It felt like a blowtorch under my ribs. I can only imagine how bad it would be to die of chronic pancreatitis. Poor bastard.

>>18334085
Go rape your wife

>>18333253
>>18333412
>>18333594
>>18334085
Read Lasch

>>18334085
History is...
monkey -> middle ages -> iphone???

read some Graeber when you get the time, friend

>>18333630
Israel literally had ties to the Soviet union and had a strong left wing for decades.

Every graeber book I have read has been utterly based and doomerpilled. Debt. Bullshit jobs. Utopia. All have been wild rides full of interesting histories, stories, and theories. No one else in this thread has ever actually read his work. You are all parrots, shitposting the same 4 lines of NPC dialogue.

>>18333243
Looks cool and seems to postulate the opposite of what charlatans like Charles Murray and Pinker say.

Will read, thanks OP.

>>18334430
based solipsist!
I read Debt. That's why I follow Wengrow and that's why I made this thread.
I don't agree with you that Graeber is doomerpilled. Would you like to go down my dialog tree on this subject?

>>18334454
coming out in October.
Plenty of time to catch up on Graeber if you're not acquainted. Wengrow I haven't read. Anyone in here familiar with his stuff?

>>18334422
will do, ah no actually i can't read cos it's the middle ages

>>18333368
>THERES NO SUCH THING AS PROGRESS GOY
>YOU ARE EQUAL TO HAITIAN NIGGERS WHO EAT LITERAL DIRT BECAUSE THEY'RE GENUINELY TOO RETARDED TO GROW THEIR OWN FOOD
The ride never ends

>>18333594
Based butterfly.

>>18334293
why should i read your chud book?

>>18333412
Wrong

>>18334501
Lasch is a moderate leftist. Not a chud

>>18333807
You have a teenage mind.

>>18334478
touché! =)

>>18333243
Tony has “#HumanProgress” in his bio lol

>>18333243
Will this be like every other Graeber book in that its findings will clearly demonstrate the ontological unreality and anthropological impossibility of implementing leftist social/political/economic principles but will nevertheless attempt to convince the reader that being a leftist is still the right thing to do?

>>18334562
I’ll take that for a compliment

>>18333243
No way the account on the right is real. His entire feed is just shilling for neoliberalism(and no I’m not using that word in the way it’s often used where it means basically anything; he actually just retweets neolibs like Johan Norberg). Looks like a total bot, or am I just being schizo?

>>18333407
hehe
fat booty

>>18333473
he simply did not live long enough to reject it

>>18334636
kek hes retweeting pinker and norberg

>>18333473
>Also for a anthropologist Graeber has an unbelievable confidence is multiculturalism
What a bizarre statement

>>18334636
https://twitter.com/davidwengrow/status/1397803152544501760

>>18333272
>all I wanna do is bang cute women, eat spiced meat, and club people over the head when they piss me off.
based, sick of eggheads.

>>18333378
>needing to refute progress by using their conditions against them
ngmi

>>18334608
Okay so you are the real butterfly, I remember you mentioning Pippi Longstocking like a year ago when discussing the concept of the Overman.

>>18333272
>bang cute women
Cuteness is a product of civilization, ever seen what the women in those aboriginal tribes look like? And I don't mean by themselves, I mean compared to the men.

>>18333272
You wouldn’t be saying this if you knew how easy it was (is) to die from an outbreak of diseases. Also, how painful. It’s easy to talk tough when you simply do not know.

>>18335657
>aboriginal tribes
Anon, we are talking about humans

>>18334497
youre misattributing. pinker shills progress

>>18334085
What's this from? The filename makes me think a Kingsley Amis book. It certainly reeks of his bad history.

>>18333243
>BLM supporter
Don't care

>>18334595
woah look at them big words

>>18335686
*wild corona appears*

>>18336134
Alright you got me

>>18333243
holy shit I had no idea this Jew died

>>18333368
loooool
whos in the middle help an il/lit/erate out

>>18334595
Pretty much. That's what I was essentially saying here.
>>18333473

>>18334608

>>18336395
Lawrence Krauss.

>>18333630
yes look into the source of money for Marxist groups

A trailblazing account of human history, challenging our most fundamental assumptions about social evolution―from the development of agriculture and cities to the emergence of "the state," political violence, and social inequality―and revealing new possibilities for human emancipation.

For generations, our remote ancestors have been cast as primitive and childlike―either free and equal innocents, or thuggish and warlike. Civilization, we are told, could be achieved only by sacrificing those original freedoms or, alternatively, by taming our baser instincts. David Graeber and David Wengrow show how such theories first emerged in the eighteenth century as a conservative reaction to powerful critiques of European society posed by Indigenous observers and intellectuals. Revisiting this encounter has startling implications for how we make sense of human history today, including the origins of farming, property, cities, democracy, slavery, and civilization itself.

Drawing on pathbreaking research in archaeology and anthropology, the authors show how history becomes a far more interesting place once we learn to throw off our conceptual shackles and perceive what’s really there. If humans did not spend 95 percent of their evolutionary past in tiny bands of hunter-gatherers, what were they doing all that time? If agriculture, and cities, did not mean a plunge into hierarchy and domination, then what kinds of social and economic organization did they lead to? The answers are often unexpected, and suggest that the course of human history may be less set in stone, and more full of playful, hopeful possibilities, than we tend to assume.

The Dawn of Everything fundamentally transforms our understanding of the human past and offers a path toward imagining new forms of freedom, new ways of organizing society. This is a monumental book of formidable intellectual range, animated by curiosity, moral vision, and a faith in the power of direct action.

bump

>>18334497
Thank you for proving again that /pol/tards are modernists and your ideologies are anti-traditional.

>>18334458
Yes, anon! I would love to.
I believe Graeber is doomerpilled only in the sense that his ability to define and critique society is so much sharper and more well defined than any of his solutions. In debt and BS Jobs, he explicitly states that he doesn't wish to provide solutions as those are what end up being criticized instead of the majority of the material content and reviewers end up focusing on the procedural aspects to criticize his work because they are lazy. I know that he participated in the Wallstreet protests, and I know in his books he does provide a little bit of solution, and in some of his lecture/talks he provides solutions and examples. But, even if this sounds like Chomsky, I think Graeber's tone and attitude towards change in the long run is most about reduction of suffering, knowing that collapse will eventually happen. Global warming, wars, nuclear holocausts, etc. What did he do? Helped get rid of a global bank! For what in exchange? Class consciousness until the market bursts again... soon.

>>18336655
Looks awesome. Actually saw this related talk a while ago
https://youtu.be/EvUzdJSK4x8

>>18337667
>Graeber's tone and attitude towards change in the long run is most about reduction of suffering, knowing that collapse will eventually happen.
What I've seen of him discussing alternatives for the future is much more ambitious than that. I think the big example is his involvement and defense of Rojava. But in general, he was always about systemic change. I only ever heard him discuss the nonsense polemics-of-the-day to point out all the solutions within the framework of capitalism are a dead end.
But hey, he was pretty prolific, we might be talking about two different sides of the man.

>>18334595
>>18336405
you know you guys are just projecting your own corrupted, antisocial psyche onto "Humanity", right?
You left your brain stewing in internet hate cults for 20 years, then you wonder why you can't imagine a better world

>>18336606
>mamas and the papas

>>18337840
I think you’re right, but I also think it’s more a “let’s go down fighting” mentality. The “what else is there to do but fight?” Kinda thing. Nonetheless Graeber was based and I wish to be as prolific as he was some day.

>>18333253
Ass

>>18337861
I live the reality you theorize about. But yes, its simple blind hatred, you got me.

>>18337972
you live in a commune? Tell us about it!

>>18334562
> “The most sophisticated people I know…inside, they are all children,” —Jim Henson

>>18334085
>McCarthy was bad
>Apartheid was bad
yikes

>>18337667
>his ability to define and critique society is so much sharper and more well defined than any of his solutions

So you're telling me he's a complainer?

>>18338080
you know I think you are retarded but I like you

>>18338212
That’s the consensus because lies, witch-hunts, poverty and discrimination are gender seen by the majority of humanity as bad things. Only frightened fascists like them. So don’t give me any “yikes” Mr. Edgy.

>>18338212
That’s the consensus because lies, witch-hunts, poverty and discrimination are generally seen by the majority of humanity as bad things. Only frightened fascists like them. So don’t give me any “yikes” Mr. Edgy

>>18338539
argumentum ad populum

>>18338539
The left only thinks fear is bad because they've lived rich comfy lives in white societies and their amygdalae are underdeveloped

Grow a brain pippiposter

Fucking ugly tripfag dyke stinking up every other thread. /pol has killed more people than will ever give a shit about your writing. It's rarely the quality threads either, just those who are set up for lukewarm progressive takes

>>18333253
>>18333243
le pseud jews face off

>>18333253
Sorry to say so, but Pinker was contemporaneously confuted by Taleb and Gladwell.

Shame really. He just could not contend with the fat-tailed doctrine.

>>18336655
This sounds like an attempt to give Marxist ideas of primitive communism anthropological backing. The book is not going to be good.

>>18338588
>The left
>rich comfy
The Left want to have the rich and comfy life the Right take from them.
NO. The Democratic Party isn’t leftist. No, Wall Street isn’t communist. No, Musk, Buffet, Gates, Bezos, Soros, they aren’t leftists.

Wake the fuck up, animu poster

>>18339104
Watch >>18337684
>https://youtu.be/EvUzdJSK4x8
It is

>>18339104
>social inequality
>emancipation
>hierarchy
>domination
>moral vision
>faith in the power of direct action
Yeah, I'm a little worried

>>18333243
>a fairly brief manifesto concerning the concept of revolution:
The term “revolution” has been so relentlessly cheapened in common usage that it can mean almost anything. We have revolutions every week now: banking revolutions, cybernetic revolutions, medical revolutions, an internet revolution every time someone invents some clever new piece of software.
This kind of rhetoric is only possible because the commonplace definition of revolution has always implied something in the nature of a para-digm shift: a clear break, a fundamental rupture in the nature of social reality after which everything works differently, and previous categories no longer apply. It is this which makes it possible to, say, claim that the modern world is derived from two “revolutions”: the French revolution and the Industrial revolution, despite the fact that the two had almost nothing else in common other than seeming to mark a break with all that came before.
One odd result is that, as Ellen Meskins Wood has noted, we are in the habit of discussing what we call “modernity” as if it involved a combination of English laissez faire economics, and French Republican government, despite the fact that the two never really occurred together: the industrial revolution happened under a bizarre, antiquated, still largely medieval English constitution, and nineteenth-century France was anything but laissez faire.

>>18339619
If there is one logical error underlying all this, it rests on imagining that social or even technolog-ical change takes the same form of what Thomas Kuhn has called “the structure of scientific revolu-tions.” Kuhn is referring to events like the shift from a Newtonian to Einsteinian universe:
suddenly there is an intellectual breakthrough and afterwards, the universe is different. Applied to anything other than scientific revolutions, it implies that the world really was equivalent to our knowledge of it, and the moment we change the principles on which our knowledge is based, reality changes too. This is just the sort of basic intellec-tual mistake developmental psychologists say we’re supposed to get over in early childhood, but it seems few of us really do.

>>18339625
In fact, the world is under no obligation to live up to our expectations, and insofar as “reality” refers to anything, it refers to precisely that which can never be entirely encompassed by our imagina-tive constructions. Totalities, in particular, are always creatures of the imagination. Nations, soci-eties, ideologies, closed systems... none of these really exist. Reality is always infinitely messier than that—even if the belief that they exist is an unde-niable social force. For one thing, the habit of thought which defines the world, or society, as a totalizing system (in which every element takes on its significance only in relation to the others) tends to lead almost inevitably to a view of revolutions as cataclysmic ruptures. Since, after all, how else could one totalizing system be replaced by a completely different one than by a cataclysmic rupture? Human history thus becomes a series of revolutions: the Neolithic revolution, the Industrial revolution, the Information revolution, etc., and the political dream becomes to somehow take control of the process; to get to the point where we can cause a rupture of this sort, a momentous breakthrough that will not just happen but result directly from some kind of collective will. “The revolution,” properly speaking.

>>18339646
If so it’s not surprising that the moment radical thinkers felt they had to give up this dream, their first reaction was to redouble their efforts to identify revolutions happening anyway, to the point where in the eyes of someone like Paul Virilio, rupture is our permanent state of being, or for someone like Jean Baudrillard, the world now changes completely every couple years, whenever he gets a new idea.
This is not an appeal for a flat-out rejection of such imaginary totalities—even assuming this were possible, which it probably isn’t, since they are probably a necessary tool of human thought. It is an appeal to always bear in mind that they are just that: tools of thought. For instance, it is indeed a very good thing to be able to ask “after the revolu-tion, how will we organize mass transportation?,” “who will fund scientific research?,” or even, “after the revolution, do you think there will still be fashion magazines?” The phrase is a useful mental hinge; even if we also recognize that in reality, unless we are willing to massacre thousands of people (and probably even then), the revolution will almost certainly not be quite such a clean break as such a phrase implies.

>>18339658
>What will it be, then?
I have already made some suggestions. A revolution on a world scale will take a very long time. But it is also possible to recognize that it is already starting to happen. The easiest way to get our minds around it is to stop thinking about revolution as a thing—“the” revo-lution, the great cataclysmic break—and instead ask “what is revolutionary action?” We could then suggest: revolutionary action is any collective action which rejects, and therefore confronts, some form of power or domination and in doing so, reconstitutes social relations—even within the collectivity—in that light. Revolutionary action does not necessarily have to aim to topple govern-ments. Attempts to create autonomous communi-ties in the face of power (using Castoriadis’ defini-tion here: ones that constitute themselves, collec-tively make their own rules or principles of opera-tion, and continually reexamine them), would, for instance, be almost by definition revolutionary acts. And history shows us that the continual accu-mulation of such acts can change (almost) every-thing.

>>18339203
You are richer and more comfortable than 90% of humans in history, if not 99%.
>muh no true leftist!!
Leftist doesn't mean capitalist, moron. The only people dumb enough to think that are communists so thanks for outing yourself

>>18336655
Cringe

>>18336173
ah god yeah kingsley amis' infamous 'bad history'.
what are you on about?
not knowing a passage from his most well known book yet somehow being au fait with his historical misjudgements (something i've never heard anyone talk about).

>>18339694
>You are richer and more comfortable than 90%
Facetious as it is irrelevant.
> Leftist doesn't mean capitalist
What I’m saying.

>>18339821
Leftist doesn't mean anti-capitalist*
Hitler had critiques of capitalism, does that make him leftist?

>>18340366
>Leftist doesn't mean anti-capitalist*
FALSE
I wish it meant anti-state-capitalism, but some split that hair.
Hitler wasn’t against capitalism. That’s like saying Rothbard is against capitalism. Ron Paul is against capitalism. Hitler isn’t anymore a socialist than Macron is.

>>18334497
The jews are the ones that advocate for progress, you dumb nigger

>>18340397
Leftism is not and had never been just an economic position. You're trying to avoid the degenerate aspects of your ideology because you know that trannies, Africans, and postmodern art are impossible to defend.

>>18340541
“The Jews” are not a monolithic people that move as one. They’re like everybody else that way.

>>18340572
>Leftism is not and had never been just an economic position.
Oh okay, yeah, the whole dichotomy of these terms have been used to confu—
>You're trying to avoid the degenerate aspects of your ide
You bloviating sack of shit.

>>18340582
what are you talking about?
Jews operate as a monolithic people that fight asymmetrically against non jews
The Talmud instructs just that retard

>>18340582
>“The Jews” are not a monolithic people that move as one.
If I may, Butterfly.

The blacks and the Jewish people are the two most insular, most severely intrinsic, exclusive cultures in the entire world, specifically for America, although with the Jewish population, their influence obviously comes from the success of the state of Israel in some ways, in other ways the success of usury.

But obviously this does not include all Jewish people, just realize that by being even tangentially related to this religion (as you may or may not be), you are impacted or affected in some way that pleases their group.

It's actually kind of how groups in general work anyway, but to say that they have no general purpose or motion within society for themselves is a little silly. :3

But obviously they are not exactly one person.

>>18340397
Ignoring for a second how fucking stupid dividing the entirety of politics into two teams is, the left-right distinction comes from a situation (the French Revolution) where "the left" were the literal bourgeoisie as opposed to monarchists (the right), you historically illiterate dunce.
>capitalism and communism are the only two economic systems
>third position? N-no that's capitalism too because...because I said so!
Why is this room temperature IQ opinion so common? Even Marx didn't think this.

>>18341210
>Not currently talking about the origin of the political terms left/right
>you historically illiterate...
Boob.
> capitalism and communism are the only two economic systems
Stuffing words in my here. There is a fence between the pro-capitalists and the anti-capitalists. Each yard could be said to have their own left and right, this distinction is all I’m pushing for
>third position
They’re capitalist attack dogs. They executed socialists. They attacked the USSR.
>why IQ bad
Old /lit/ was much better.

>>18341285
>>Not currently talking about the origin of the political terms left/right
>original leftists were literal capitalists
>"leftist = anti-capitalist"
Moron.
>There is a fence between the pro-capitalists and the anti-capitalists
Yes, and the third position is anti-capitalist without being leftist. You're using the terms interchangeably like a retard.
>They’re capitalist attack dogs
When you realise there is more than one kind of "left" (social and economic at least) you'll realise this isn't contradictory.
Explain how national syndicalism is capitalist? Explain how Strasserism is capitalist while abolishing the capitalist class in favour of state control? Explain how, I dunno, Distributism, which lacks a capitalist class altogether, is capitalism? You may say they're economically left, but socially right but that means anti-capitalist and leftist are no longer synonymous.
>>Old /lit/ was much better
>I'm a le oldfag guize, honest!
Old /lit/ and 4chan in general didn't have persistent namefag attention whores, so we're in agreement there.

>>18341406
>Moron
*holds mirror up*

>>18341544
I thought so.

>>18341544
I've changed my mind, you aren't a tranny, only a biological woman could be this unfunny.

>>18341544
>tripfaggot tranny unable to come with his comeuppance
Pottery

>>18341722
>his

It’s a trash-moronic post

>>18333243
>"we entirely debunk the myth of progress"
>Wengrow's Twitter feed: "Democracy. Anarchism. Black Folks. #RHODESMUSTFALL"
The continued existence of these types is a stronger argument against "Progress" than anything he might've written in his book with Graeber.

>>18341798
Rent free spooks, anon.
Grow up.

>>18341815
The postwar moralism shilled by types like Graeber is no less spooky, if anything it is more so.

>>18340594
Like I said, impossible to defend. That's why you've been trained to freak out instead.

>>18341825
>postwar moralism
You that guy pushing The Strong Gods a while back?

>>18333807
Progress is moving towards God and a God centered society obviously. Regression is rejecting God and basing society around the will of man. This is the only true and objective measure of "progress".

>>18342193
Crypto fascist can just stand up against the wall for their pictures

>>18342208
We all know your definition of progress is the right to chop your dick off and get your anal cavity blasted by a thick load of AIDS infected semen, Butterfly, but unfortunately the great philosophers just don't agree with you.

>>18342255
Why do you pretend I stand for any of those things?

>>18342189
No?

>>18333253
dunno...

The myth of the natural world. That's what my book would be called.

>>18334085
All of those things are actually good though.

>>18337840
>I think the big example is his involvement and defense of Rojava.
I'll give him credit for staking out a position here, but the fact of the matter is that Rojava started existing when US SOCOM started supporting that faction and ended when that support stopped. "A retarded egalitarian ideology that only exists as long as the Department of Defense protects it from external enemies" -- there are PLENTY of those around.

>>18333243
Can't say much, but life was far better when I lived in a very poor region of Brazil, people did almost no work, enjoyed quite well what they had without knowing much better and generally lived good lives.

>>18333407
completely unrelated. can anyone rec me good books about (((them))) and their history of manipulation and influence throughout histories of countries, and their governments? Which book do I read about the balfour declaration that is unbiased?

>>18334608
Stop using that name.
It's not yours, and its disgusting to steal a tripfag identity.

>>18333253
Pinker is one of the biggest living pseuds

>>18346094
>people did almost no work,
This has been the case for most of humanity ore industrial revolution and standardized work hours and time cards. If you check the history you will see that people 'worked' the entire day but they spent it resting, talking, walking around and working only when they felt like it. This is even the case today, in most offices where people pretend to work for 8 hours.

>>18333412
Booo

>>18334430
/lit/ posters don’t read books, they make threads about them only

>>18346156
The thing is that people there seem to have a low standard of desirable life, they'd work for some hours and when they reach it they'd calm down, and rest idly on it. Then I moved to SP (a 22 mi sprawl of a city) and people had a high standard and would never reach it, they were stuck in the "I need more stuff/effort/skills" limbo... it was annoying.

>>18346188
>The thing is that people there seem to have a low standard of desirable life, they'd work for some hours and when they reach it they'd calm down, and rest idly on it.
This is the normal way humans work and evolved stretching back hundreds of years ago

>>18346188
Sorry for the Nigerian English, I know it sounds pretentious and shit at the same time. But I don't know any better than this.

>>18346216
Hundreds of thousands* years ago
Lel

>>18346216
This is what I don't get about people promoting "muh progress", we have some fancy things like transport, communication and entertainment; but they are minor add-ons, and come at the cost of other more important things. It's like saying we should be thankful for a motorized wheelchair we get by cutting our legs off.

>>18346232
The march of civilization can't be stopped. Every step brings in more problems that needs even more progress to resolve.

>>18346245
The march of civilization is like the medieval notion of an unstoppable march toward the judgment day. The principle of a movement toward to that direction seems real as the moon is real, but it's just a thing of that time. If anything our civilization is less civilized in many regards, compared to the XIX and XX century civilization.

>>18346188
I will gladly accept living 20 years less for 40 years without wagecuckery

>>18346436
Then give it a shot, nothing is stopping you from "falling" to a lower life.

>>18346444
The elites use the ghetto and all it entails to keep you hustlin’. The carrot is the American Dream and the stick is white flight.
There is so such thing as noble poverty or minimalism in America. Minimalism is a luxury for those who already reside in prime real estate.

>>18336655

GALAXY BRAIN: THE PAST LITERALLY DOES NOT HAPPEN BUT TELESCOPICALLY EXPANDS FROM THE ETERNAL PRESENT AND CORRUPTS ITS QUALITY ALL THE WAY INTO A VANISHING POINT OF UTTER INCOMPREHENSION: THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHAT PAST PEOPLE DID IS PRECISELY THE POINT, ONE INTROJECTS THE LAST SEGMENT'S INCOMPREHENSION AS ONE'S OWN, PEOPLE DID, OR DO, PRECISELY NOTHING IN THE PAST SINCE WHAT SEPARATES IT FROM THE PRESENT IS NOT THE NEUTRAL MEDIUM OF TIME, WHICH DOES NOT EXIST, BUT THE CORRUPTING EXPANSION OF THE DEMIURGIC TELESCOPE WHICH LITERALLY "UNHAPPENS" THE PRESENT; ONE'S CURRENT APPREHENSION OF PAST PEOPLE AS INERT MUSEUM PIECES IS PRECISELY THEIR ACTUAL STATE, TAXIDERMIED IN THE MIND, OR IN THE STOMACH, OF YALDABAOTH.

>>18346479
Then move outside of America, I can give you the name of the town I grew up in Northeast Brazil. You can get a house for 2 months of minimal wage on the US, and anyone can move to Brazil, government will help you to learn the language, and after 4 years you gain citizenship as a present.

>>18346490
Not him, but what's the catch? For full disclosure, I am an American but I have a bad feeling that within my life there will be a major conflict here along ethnic lines (I am Indian). If I can escape to a safe country, that would be a blessing.

>>18346510
There's no catch just like there's no catch in getting bad grades on purpose... it's incredibly easy to move on the opposite direction of society. It takes 20 years of study, interviews, curricula, hobbies to get a fancy job and 5 minutes to lose it if you want.

The only difficult is about being able to give up the feeling of duty/pride/entitlement that keeps you tied.

I was born on a small town called "Engenheiro Coelho" near the city of Caxias in the Maranhão state, you can see the city if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7wZzVPio

>>18346543
Pardon me, Engenheiro Coelho is just a isolated neighborhood of the Caxias city.

>>18333552
dangerously based

>>18346444
Haha, I'm already working on it. 30 chickens and some meagre amount of arable land is all it takes to be self-sufficent.

>>18346622
A plot of land inside urban perimeter, 12 m x 40 m, access to power lines, water, hospital, school, church,... was around R$40.000,00 to R$60.000,00 last year, this is about 8000 to 12000 dollars.

Land outside the city is virtually free, R$1,00 - R$10,00 each m2 ($0.20 - $2.00), but people or the state will take it if you buy and don't move in.

>>18333630
It doesn't say that anywhere. Read it again, champ.

>>18333253
This pseud has already been debunked by Taleb. Fuck this pedo ratfaced cunt.

>>18346639
Sorry, the said plot of land came with a bricks houses, usually 2 - 3 bedrooms, 1 kitchen, 1 - 2 bathrooms, 1 living room and sometimes a garage.

>>18334085
>as bad at art
Yes. Obviously.

>>18346651
>This pseud has been debunked by another Pseud

>>18333243
This fucking picture lol'd hard

>>18346143
culture of critique
a people that shall dwell alone
libido dominandi

>>18338539
>generally seen by the majority of humanity
you realize these people are scum, right?

>>18340594
You're a fucking retard. I hate how leftists try this shit it's so transparent. "They're not REAL leftists, they haven't read the theory!"

Yeah, ok buddy. Leftism isn't just "capitalism bad", it encompasses a whole bunch of positions that stem from the enlightenment. Scientific positivism, rationalism, humanism, a suspicion of hierarchy and authority, utilitarian ethics and so on. You try and dissociate yourself from these positions because you know they're impossible to defend and that the issue isn't really "muh capitalism" but capitalism deformed by a warped and soulless society that got duped into repudiating its own heritage by faggot left wing academics that promised a better future built on "reason and science" but never eventuated because the left have a fundamentally incorrect view of human nature. Hence why they keep trying to flood their societies with niggers because they think they're all blank slates who just need a good old liberal education to be model western citizens.

You can't address economic problems without also addressing cultural ones. The problems of the west are not economic in nature, they're cultural. Until the left realize that, and the fact they've been creating the own conditions for the downfall of the civilization they inherited then they'll never provide any opinions of value.

>>18346950
Yes

>>18341285
>this distinction is all I’m pushing for
Yeah because it's way easier to point out the flaws of capitalism than trying to defend why 90% of the people who think capitalism needs to be replaced also think giving 8 year olds hormone injections if they play with dolls is a very cool and good idea. There's nothing inherent in capitalism that can't be solved with a population that actually shares common ties and works together for the common good.

>>18348155
>There's nothing inherent in capitalism that can't be solved with a population that actually shares common ties and works together for the common good.
A shame you cannot get a population that actually shares common ties and works together for the common good under capitalism... it's like saying there's nothing that cannot be solved in obesity with a slim body.

>>18348505
>A shame you cannot get a population that actually shares common ties and works together for the common good under capitalism
That's why you should be a Catholic Integralist. All societal problems come from spiritual decay. All secular solutions including socialism will only accelerate the rot.

>>18334497
go back to your containment /pol/tard

>>18348541
As Plínio Salgado would say, Integralists oppose a two-headed beast, one of its heads is socialism and the other is capitalism.

>>18348555
He's right though. You have already been fully conquered, vaccinated and harvested.

>>18340582
>“The Jews” are not a monolithic people that move as one.
They do. This is exactly why they are a different species altogether. They have different opinions but a collective genetic programming.

>>18334636
https://twitter.com/tonymmorley_II
a true NPC

>>18348056
More and more of them it seems. Still I try to reach some.

>>18348133
I designate the center of this imaginary spectrum quite reasonably at pro/con capitalism. That’s all there is to it.
But for fucksake, Biden isn’t even left-liberal.

>>18348155
Hormones? This IDpol shit is state run tactic psyops to keep people divided and confused. You’re falling for it as much as the lefty-loosies

>>18348611
>They do
>and then they don’t, but that doesn’t matter to me.
You’re an idiot racist

>>18342364
Not him, but when I see tripfag I assume the worst for person behind the typing.

>>18346151
All tripfags are disgusting, I'm happy their precious identities can be taken and reduced to anonymity.

>>18348973
Because they’re usually 4chan trolls that know how to piss you cultist types off.

I stand out because I’m sincere. Not that you care.

>>18333630
guilty conscience, Moishe?

>>18342193
>society of men should not be based on the will of the men who actually compose it
>it should instead be based on the made up will of my imaginary deity

inspiring

>>18348996
And you're wearing a collar :3

>>18333253
Refuted by Taleb and more recently in monography "Modernity And Cultural Decline" by M. Sarraf, M. A. Woodley and C. Feltham, who go into some of the tricks he did on data and how much cherrypicking he has done.

>>18338539
Find me one person McCarthy ended up convicting that didn't have connections to the communists. It's not 1970 anymore, everything about these cases is declassified and we know he was right about everything.
>b-b-b-ut I watched the hollywood movie about him and they showed him a madman
Well lots of hollywood people got their hands burned by him, you would think they'd hold a grudge, even if he was right to do so.

Discrimination is good and normal. People aren't equal, if you treat them equally, even more so - expect them to end up with statistically equal results, you've never peaked outside of your university faculty into the unwashed scum that fills the streets and even more unwashed subhumans that inhabit ghettos. And yes, this inequality will cut along the lines of all "problematic" lines - racial, sexual, national even through class(read Gregory Clark for details).
The end of Apartheid for SA brought high inflation, destruction of their national industry, massive increase in crime rate, decrease of agricultural output, destruction of their cities, issues with providing utilities like electric power and so on and so on. Even the sociological babble about helping underprivileged communities doesn't really hold its merit as the tribes were gutted and blacks in the country were dropped into cities and all these ties that held their tribal communities together were destroyed - and with them, the communities themselves, turned into black underclass - something which is evident from the fact that the tribal kings complain about post-apartheid order whole the time.
The absolute state of Zimbabwe chilled down the negro communists in that country(better to share smaller piece of cake than they could grab, but still have some cake to share), but they've been revving up their whining for few years before the pandemic hit.
The only people who don't like discrimination and have actually thought of the issue are those who know that on their own the only way they can get above bottom-feeder status in society is if their supposedly discriminated background will be used as sign of merit.

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>>18346266
That and its also a low hanging fruit metaphore. We arent going to go forwards with sudden leaps anymore

>>18348996
i like you butterfly. you piss me off sometimes but so do most people I like

>>18333407
>jews and leftists
>USA Israel axis

What's the connection there sweaty? The state of Israel is extremely right wing.

>>18349580
The state of Israel is kind of funny because they have extremely leftist supreme court that cucks their right wing elected governments all the time. That being said the shift for relative right wing in Israeli voting patterns coincides with the fall of the USSR when everyone who could kind of pretend that someone in his family was perhaps jewish(probably not) could get citizenship and free travel to Israel. So there's this ironic thing where Israeli right wing was boosted by a bunch of Russians for whom it's business like usual on Saturday, pork is completely normal meat to eat and when they get drunk at night they'll draw swastikas on the walls everywhere.

>>18349580
Israel is militarist and theocratic, otherwise its borderline socialism. It's basically USSR + state religion.

>>18333368
This makes Pinker (a pseud) look more credible as if he is part of a big brained conspiracy. He isn't. He's just a midwit that enjoys attention.

>>18335686
Yeah, because people in primitive lifestyles definitely die from *checks notes* diseases introduced through animal domestication and spread exclusively in dense sedentary population centers

Race race race race race race race race

>>18334497
....so you admit there's no such thing as progress....

>>18349625
>>18349637
Leftism in Israel largely died off in the late 70s, now it's economically neoliberal but pretty strongly conservative.
It'll probably get increasingly so as ultra orthodox Jews make up a larger proportion of the population.

>>18341544
>>18341772
Refute it, then, because it just looks like you're factually wrong and crapped out of the argument.

anons in this thread letting themselves get btfo'd by the butterfly

embarrassing

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>>18339222
Tranny

>>18342208
>Robert Anton Wilson
Isn't that the guy who inadvertently covered up MKULTRA whistleblower stories while working for Playboy magazine in the 1950s with his autistic discordianism.

>>18333255
ITT: Pseuds

>>18341544
btfo you dumb cunt

>>18348996
suck a cock you fat phony

>>18352842
>>18352850
This is really pathetic.

>>18333807
>Like damn, you just know the evil people are going to take this and lock out the “lower classes”.
How's that a bad thing? It would solve the European and Japanese ageing problem, the only two groups of people who are worthy of biological immortality. The rest of the global population is too uncultured and breed like rabbits thus they shouldn't be allowed to live past the average lifespan.

>>18333243
I Just wanna say something anons

FUCK JEWS
I HATE NIGGERS
WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE

>>18334429
>Israel literally had ties to the Soviet union and had a strong left wing for decades.
Soviets and left-wing governments assisted Palestinian resistance movements. Why would they help a nation that was inextricably linked to US/capitalist power? Morons.

you guys are so tiresome with this jew stuff... how do you live like this...

>>18349263
You do know that The US also brought in Nazis like Karl Wolff and Otto Skorzeny in after the war to help with US domestic and foreign policy. The government scalping commies and putting them in the government isn't a big deal. What is a big deal is the society they created along with lazzez-fair anglos and zionists.

>>18333368
I don't even know who the guy in the middle is, but this picture never fails to make me laugh, they are possing like they are blacks about to drop an album.

>>18353253
No, anon. Only the wealthy would allow themselves immortality. The laziest thieving... a lot of Jews. You’re not thinking this through.

>>18353315
You’re an idiot.

>>18353733
I know. Must be such tiring work being a racist

>>18338679
>>18333253

>>18333243
>medical improvements = human progress
lol. the Romans were making concrete that is superior to the shit we use today. Womyn shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>18353733

>>18355061
>Must be such tiring work being a racist
Must be such tiring work constantly filtering your perceptions to ignore race.

>>18356400
>muh concrete
you miss the point as much as she does

>>18356905
I don’t ignore it. I’m just not racist while I consider it.

>>18333253

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>>18352979
I know, what a fat piece of shit

>>18334497
>YOU ARE EQUAL TO HAITIAN NIGGERS WHO EAT LITERAL DIRT BECAUSE THEY'RE GENUINELY TOO RETARDED TO GROW THEIR OWN FOOD
You do realize that people in ancient civilizations were already vastly superior to haitian niggers since they also grew their own food, right? If that fact about haitians is the criteria on which you measure progress, you are self-refuting and mindnumbingly retarded.

>>18348600
>You have already been fully conquered, vaccinated and harvested.
That's what your "progress" gets you, goy.

>>18359506
>goy
Is this a new meme? I keep seeing this, is it a portmanteau of girl and boy?

>>18333253
>New York Times best-seller
Thanks now I know it's shit

>>18356403
now use that same part of your brain to analyze the role of white people on world history, and then that of all the other ethnic, cultural and religious groups

>>18354611
That's Cormac McCarthy's friend Laurence Krauss.

>>18333243
>progress bad
Don't care, I just want my mech. And to exterminate niggers and jews, but only after I get my mech.

>>18333807
the weak must be enslaved by the strong.

>>18333253
Pinker has no children

>>18358398
the world is fundamentally anti-racist.
scientists have found a new elementary particle of the universe, the anti-racist particle. thus anti-racism is actually one of the most fundamental laws of physics. in the same way that nothing can go faster than the speed of light, no racist statement can be true due to this recently discovered law of nature.

>>18333407
>jews build our culture
>therefore they bad
Imagine being this retarded

>>18333630
Hilarious right?

Israel promotes western 'communism' a la capitalist socialism. It doesn't want communism in the west. It wants lots of 'communist' states/groups - capitalism. Though it itself has to appear as a communist state as a 'wall' to the eastern ideological states, of which few are left.

>>18360169
Build is going a bit too far. They started the culture. They are the foundation of all western culture but each western culture built itself, let us not take away from the work ancestors of each place has put in to building their own culture.

>>18360281
this is complete nonsense man. you need to learn what words mean
'communist state' 'capitalist socialism'

israel is a neoliberal theocratic ethnostate

>>18333253
>iterative technologies implies "progress" has been made
technologies can easily be lost if you don't have the industrial infrastructure to keep the supply chains. see several occasions in Chinese history where the systems basically died.

>>18360119
>the strong.
These so-called strong are quite weak if they need everyone to serve them. Circular fallacy, anon.
Socialists thought aims to make everyone fairly equal in strength.

>>18333243
"progress" is when the liberal experiments go according to plan and further the marxist/zionist agenda. (I would also like to add on a funny side note that all these experiments segregation, limitless immigration, and diversity are all put unto us undemocratically something the liberal would scream he is the champion of lol.)

>>18360550
The infamous <70 iq post appears

>>18361378
>niggerblabber
expected

>>18338588
This is cope for the right having an overdeveloped amygdala and a fear response that makes them jump at shadows. Its usually from being forced into submission by an authority figure as a child. Its very common for abuse victims to be fearful of change.

>>18360521
How much are you going to oppress people to make them equal? Seeing as no one is born equal?

>>18333243
When the great wheel spins, is that progress?

>>18362110
>Seeing as no one is born equal?
Momma’s will thump them on the head.
> How much are you going to oppress people to make them equal?
The idea is that they’ll have to sleep well, eat well, learn from their parents, teachers and consider what work they’d like to do to see who they’d like to study under. Additionally they’d be urged to take part in the general decision making process. But they’d be perfectly able to go travel somewhere if they please.

>>18336655
This sounds so unbelievably cringe and very much like a person trying to find a way to fit history into their presupposed ideology.

Will not read.

>>18336655
>the power of direct action.

Commie dog whistle. How many more mass graves and starvations before you people learn that Marxism is antithetical to human nature?

>>18339203
Every leftist I’ve ever met lived a rich and comfy life.

>>18358814
Based,newfags need to stop replying to butters

>>18359568
Don’t talk about new memes if you haven’t been here for even a week, newfag.

>>18333272
based

>>18360294
>They are the foundation of all western culture
>Who are the Greeks and Romans
>what is hellenized judaism

What the fuck is going on on this board, jeez.

>>18341285
>They’re capitalist attack dogs

My God, you’re dumb.

>>18362200
>The idea is that they’ll have to sleep well, eat well, learn from their parents, teachers and consider what work

lol, work has to produce something valuable. Work for works sake is useless. Which is also why the labour theory of value is bullshit.

>>18362200
This is the first and last time I'm going to reply to you. You are the worst trip fag in the history of 4chan. Every thread you touch withers and dies. You never add substance to the topic discussed. Every post has this smug aura of self importance to it, "look everybody this is MY opinion", which probably is why you have no friends IRL. At a nice boring, cozy, house party I am sure the conversation dies after every remark you make. Every time you try to bring up Stirner in an unrelated discussion everybody sighs and tries to pretend they didn't hear you.

For the first time in my 10 years on 4chan I'm gonna look up how the filter function works. I find you worse than that german guy showing his cock asking to be humiliated, worse than eggman, worse than the groomer boasting on /fit/, worse than the perma spergs on /r9k/ and /pol/, worse than the schizos posting on /sci/. You're not even more vile than these creatures, those fundamentally broken humans wherein primordial evil has taken root, who by their honest shouts of rage ask to be healed, cleansed, or at least killed. The hate they garner is not against their persons but the image of evil they present. You dream to be this infamous beast, and revel in the slimy fame. The detest you garner from everybody on the other hand is an inversion of this. You are the 14 year old boy throwing a tantrum, believing his superior intellect to be neglected by his peers. But instead of having this vile personality bubble up from the tar of your gut, hating it more than your surroundings do, you willingly CHOSE to be this way by intellect instead of anima. You managed to kill the primal honest charm of being scum.

I know this post will not harm or change you. I took the time to write this because it is a rare opportunity to directly show your true detest to somebody. Don't bother replying because you're already filtered.

>>18362815
nigger

>>18362815
Based

>>18360521
>Socialists thought aims to make everyone fairly equal in strength.
ie make everyone weak.

>>18362799
They’re a defensive force that preserves liberalism. Unknowing dupes. You just don’t realize it. Which is why I’m telling you know.

>>18362810
Who said anything about work for work sake? People will do what they need to, not what some slave driver wants.

>18362815
>Yadda yadda I sure hope this becomes a famous copypasta yadda yadda nothing of substance

>>18364201
>Posts pics of liberals and a statue
No, genuinely strong, happy, independent people. We do have to work collectively to achieve this, so this balance is necessary. Read News from Nowhere

>>18362561
>>18358814
lol

>>18362561
>>18358814

>>18364451
>liberals
>le leftists are so embarrassing that I'll keep spewing the meme that every single leftist uhm ackhually is a liberal
I know you're stupid and cliched, but I didn't expect "16 year old from leftypol" tier stuff from you.
>We do have to work collectively to achieve this
wrong. people have to band together in tribes and mercilessly slaughter eachother so the weak can be killed off or enslaved and the strong can rise.

you're a puritan. you believe in intrinsic human worth because of puritan beliefs from the 15 and 1600s about gods light existing in everyone equally. that's an irrational theological belief.

in reality though, you can't make anything worthwhile out of garbage human beings. that's why a revitalization of humanity is going to involve barbarian brotherhoods descending on the decadent cities, spilling the blood of the basedmen and burning modernist architecture buildings.

>>18366415
Pro capitalism is liberalism
In this camp there are the subtle gradients from market fundies to reformists. Both are true believers that their beloved economics system is going to bring the world to some kind of utopia someday. Tankies have fallen for Leninism and the Chinese model is kicking the US’s butt for now, but they aren’t fully anti-capitalist and have more in common with the reformist left-liberals (economically).
Bit of course there’s real anticapitalists. Do I have to write “anticapitalist left” every time I refer to them? They’re actual Left.

>wrong. people have to...
>revert to caveman to satisfy my bloodlust
Sick in the head reactionary bullshit.
The system reflects the way we live our lives

>>18366464
all leftists are the same because their vision of humanity is the same. to me the goal is to create a world where leftism and leftists are completely unimaginable.
>Sick in the head reactionary bullshit
what does attila feel when looking at a modern onions-male?
humanity has made absolutely no progress, it has degenerated.