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Why did this happen?

>> No.18344945

It’s an archic version of “bad” as good

>> No.18344949
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18344949

>terrible
>terrific
what the fuck happened?

>> No.18344950

>>18344945
Time to take the pants off Butterfly :3

I command it.

>> No.18344951
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>>18344936
horshoe-ization

>> No.18344952

>>18344936
You're right, I have never said egregious starting with that phoneme (/J/), I always treated it as 'air' /ɛ/.

>> No.18344997

>>18344936
"Shocking" seems to be the clue as to the progression. It seems likely that at some point, it progressed from meaning "remarkably good" to meaning "surprisingly good," or "shockingly good," if you will. From there, it probably eventually became popular to use it simply as a term to express shock or surprise, and then eventually came to ironically mean what it does now.

>> No.18345000

There have been some words I can't remember at the moment that I've come across that have the same root but appending different prefixes or affixes either alter the whole logic of the root or they've just been used without respect to the root. And then there's the ones that have comparable roots but they're not the same.

Kind of annoying especially when the word fits well.

>> No.18345013

Perhaps it was a victim of sarcasm.

>> No.18345016

>>18344936


THE BAD SENSE AROUSE FROM THE PROTESTANTSPHERE, WHERE CONFORMISM IS A VIRTUE, AND EXCELLENCE IS SUBJECT TO SUSPICION WHEN NOT TO SUPPRESSION.

>> No.18345035

>>18345016
*Arose.

>> No.18345041

>>18345035


YES, TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR.

>> No.18345044

>>18345016
lol i remember reporting your threads the instant you'd spam them a few years ago, when you were advertising mundus millenialis.
hows life since then? you're still just a kid right?

>> No.18345050

>>18344936
From Webster's Unabridged 1913 (Webster's actual publication):
Egregious: separated or chosen from the herd, i.e. distinguished, excellent;

e out + grex, gregis, herd

surpassing; extraordinary; distinguished (in a bad sense);-- formerly used with words importing a good quality, but now joined with words having a bad sense; as, an egregious rascal; and egregious ass; an egregious mistake.

The egregious impudence of this fellow. --Bp. Hall.
His [Wyclif's] egregious labors are not to be neglected --Milton

>> No.18345069

It became a sarcastic/ironic way of saying "bad," which in turn became so popular that it eclipsed the archaic denotation.

>> No.18345071

>>18345044
He's a kid at heart. You're a kid in the mind.

>> No.18345077

>>18344936
>>18344945
>>18344949
>>18344950
>>18344951
>>18345016
>>18345035
>>18345041
>>18345044
If you deleted all of these posts this thread would only be bad, but as it is now, it is egregious.

>> No.18345081

in Danish we call words which change definition into its own antonym: pendulord 'pendulum-words'

>> No.18345096

>>18345069
It actually got its name from a small King in Monaco, the Frenchman Edgar declared himself lord over the land, and would send his acolytes to mainland France and England to spread his name. He had an odd penchant for Latin, and had a head like a god damn crystal ball; such was his hatred for modernity, he enforced that only classical languages could be spoken (sanskrit, latin, hewbrew, and greek - at least, until the jews were thrown out). Eventually, the usurper's name became synonym with dishonesty, cretinous behaviour, and renowned as a blight to all of god's kingdoms. But it was not so in Monaco, and thus a cultural rift began to form, where King Edgar would become either synonymous for 'exceedingly good', or 'exceedingly bad'. Given all said and done, it should of course be easy for to connect how King Edgar, became Egg Regis, or 'Egregious' as Samuel formed it.

>> No.18345097

>>18345071
are you supposed to be his little assistant? not big enough yet for your own tripcode?

>> No.18345123

Useless google dictionary. Look at what we lost >>18345050
Notice how Milton's usage does not feel wrong at all even though it is supposedly archaic. The abstract meaning of the word didn't change, only the nuance in common usage did.

>> No.18345140

Now look up "literal" in Merriam-Webster.

>> No.18345226

>>18345097
No, and no. But I know cutting edge when I see it. Eat my ass.

>> No.18345252

>>18344949
It's like when people starting saying "bad ass" to mean something is in fact good

>> No.18345259

>>18344951
Huh I havent seen this one yet

>> No.18345268

>>18345226
please point in the direction of anything cutting edge, 14 year old child
also, TP is what I use to wipe the shit off my asshole, maybe come up with a better tag

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>>18345123
From the '81 edition of "Webster's Collegiate Dictionary" published by Merriam-Webster

egre-gious:
[L egregius, fr. e-+ greg-, grex herd -- more at gregarious]
1 archaic: Distinguished
2: conspicuously bad: flagrant (an ~ mistake)
egregiously adv
egregiousness n

>> No.18345327

Egregores fucked with my main man egregious.

>> No.18345344

you know what this thread needs? it needs more named posters

>> No.18345351

>>18344936
Literally the slaves' revolt in morality

>> No.18345440

>>18345140
That's interesting...

The 1913 Webster:
Lit"er*al (-al), a. [F. litéral, littéral, L. litteralis, literalis, fr. littera, litera, a letter. See Letter.]
1. According to the letter or verbal expression; real; not figurative or metaphorical; as, the literal meaning of a phrase.

It hath but one simple literal sense whose light the owls can not abide. --Tyndale.

2. Following the letter or exact words; not free.

A middle course between the rigor of literal translations and the liberty of paraphrasts. --Hooker.

3. Consisting of, or expressed by, letters.

The literal notation of numbers was known to Europeans before the ciphers. --Johnson.

4. Giving a strict or literal construction; unimaginative; matter-of-fact; -- applied to persons.

The '81 Merriam-Webster:
lit-er-al:
1a: according with the letter of the scriptures
b: adhering to fact or to the ordinary constructions or primary meaning of a term or expression: actual, obvious (liberty in the ~ sense is impossible -- b.n. Cardozo)
c:free from exaggeration or embellishment the ~ truth)
d:characterized by a concern mainly with facts: prosaic (a very ~ man)

2: of, relating to, or expressed in letters

3: reproduced word for word: EXACT, VERBATIM (an ~ translation)

(2) literal n: a small error usu. of a single letter in writing or printing

>> No.18346097

''gullible'' had the complete antonymic meaning just 150 years ago, funnily enough

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Why are angl*ids like this?

>> No.18346221

>>18346206
Because this is hell so they act like empathy is evil.

>> No.18346242

Layers of irony eventually become fossils. Literally.