/lit/ - Literature

>>18339289
>Rent
What the fuck?

>>18339289
>"X" BTFO
Stop being dishonest

>>18339289
He’s right. /lit/ likes Guenon because you can defend his stupid arguments by just saying something like “HURRR YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND THE METAPHYSICS.” You don’t actually have to maintain a serious discussion when talking about Guenon because there’s very little material for discussion in the first place.

>>18339289
Hes right.

Also this >>18339310
>You don’t actually have to maintain a serious discussion when talking about Guenon because there’s very little material for discussion in the first place

>>18339310
Also because Islam is a very large religion and has its stans.

>>18339289
>(everything he says about it - and he uses everything he says as a reason for outright condemnations - would fall down if he had so much as heard of Hegel or Nietzsche, let alone Heidegger)
Ah yes, if he got on his knees and worshipped these Germanoids like every philosopher in the west does he would have truly seen the error of his ways.

>>18339289
Based

Bataille is just angry at the clarity of Guenon because he, like most French intellectuals, see rhetoric as mere flowery wax poetics.

>>18339289
Aaah! I appreciate you looked up the quote which i bullied the trads with.

>Bataille
Writer of terrible smut devoid of any worth. Typical french faggot.

>>18340018

BaSeD

>>18339289
>Bataille was an atheist (wikipedia)

>>18340799
and an atheologian

>>18339289
Get in your ZenBooth traddies.

>>18339310
>/lit/ likes Guenon
It's one autistic manchild, anon. It's literally just one autistic manchild.

>>18339310
>hur dur they btfo me so easily I enrage !
>I'm so jealous of their efficient principles

>little material
>all the traditions, all the traditionalist school, all traditional disciplines and symbolism (including mathematics)

Read him seriously or stop posting.

>>18340824
I think there's a couple of teenagers too.
I was actually first excited when I heard about Guenon until I realized how stupid many of his ideas are.

>>18340911
give examples ? You probably didn't understand him

>I was actually first excited when I heard about Guenon until I realized how stupid many of his ideas are.

>>18340822
I buy all my Guenon from AmaZen.

>>18339923
>worshipped

lol, you're the one worshiping this sufi french gaffot, who also worshipped a pedo sandnigger and some retarded alchemist from the middle ages

>Rent Guenon
literally rent free in his head lmfao

>>18340987
its the shitty princeton translation

>>18340986
You just expose yourself

>>18339289
>cried and threw out of a bunch of slander peppered with namedrops yet had no substance or analysis behind it
TIL every 4chin poster is on the same intellectual as Bataille -- cool!

>Guénon was a pseu-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, Russian, Polish, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who warmly praised him include Carl Schmitt, Ernst Jünger, Aleksander Dugin, Seraphim Rose, Antonin Artaud, Ananda Coomaraswamy, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, Michel Valsan, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

>“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

>“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

>“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

>Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought. The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language (and metalanguage).

>The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting (especially at a certain historical stage), subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital (which, in fact, was a colossal revolutionary and predictive course, because it allowed many things to be systematized and brought together into a single, more or less consistent, dynamic structure). Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question.

- Aleksandr Dugin, author of Political Platonism and The Fourth Political Theory

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>>18341095
holy based...

Guenon is a footnote. Not just to Bataille, but to the rest of intellectual history. The only sizable group of people that care about him are trad pakis that are trying to use his work to justify the continuation of their backwards practice. Even most other muslims aren't interested in him or might even consider him heretical considering that he was largely interested in the mystical practice of sufism rather than Islam for itself.

Guenon ruined /lit/.

>>18341518
>Guenon is a footno-

René Guénon’s influence on the literary and intellectual life of his time has been recently documented in an impressive 1,200-page book by Xavier Accart, Guénon ou le renversement des clartés, which spans fifty years of French history and demonstrates the pervasive, if sometimes subterranean and implicit, impact of the works of the French metaphysician on personalities as diverse as André Gide, Simone Weil, Pierre Drieu la Rochelle, and Henri Bosco. Upon going through the pages of Accart’s impressive volume, one is literally astounded by the breadth, and sometimes the depth, of Guénon’s presence in the intellectual landscape of France between 1920 and 1970, a presence that a cursory, conventional consideration of the French intellectual history of the time would not betray. Who would suspect prima facie that Guénon’s works have been known and appreciated by personalities as diverse as André Breton and Charles de Gaulle?

>meme attacks meme
pottery

>>18341537
That sounds impressive. I'll make sure to check it out. Oh what are you saying? The book has yet to be translated. Despite being out for over a decade already. Damn the interest in him is really uhhm astounding. That one guy studying the history of esotericism sure makes up a sizable group!

>>18341618
>If I don't know how to read it it is of no value

Avram... you're so retarded dude.

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>>18339289
Absolutely ridiculous criticism.

>>18341883
I found Guenon posting annoying at first, but I have to agree. It's helped keep normalfags and redditors out

>>18341793
How can you claim to understand guenon, when you cant even understand this anon?

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>>18341095


guys guenons was really influential, i promise, look all this names of people that allegedly was influenced by him
look all this books by super obscure authors no one knows, all of them say guenon was super influential, he surely be super influential

>>18342554
You're delusional. They are here and in greater numbers than ever before independent of this fag because he is totally irrelevant.

>>18339289
Insulting someone is not a refutation. It makes Bataille look childish more than anything.

>>18339289
>lol he’s dumb I don’t need to say anything substantive becuSe he’s so dumb
Do hylics really?

>>18342603
"Terrible! Terrible! What has to be proven most clearly and most persistently is what lies before one's very eyes. For all too many lack the eyes to see it. But it is so boring!" - F. Nietzsche.

>>18342585
His influence is esoteric by nature. It is an authory in masonic circles.
And in religious ones he influenced even the ones that would never admit they read him. You can see it by the use of typical guenonian ideas, analogies or expressions like "God is the qualitative infinite" (not just the quantitative one).
Of course there are the opposants, those he criticized, the forces of evil (like irregular masonry), religious exoterist, rationalist universitarian : most of whom will oppose him or never admit they read him (because if they did they would have to admit they got influenced)

>>18339289
>bataille calling anyone pretentious
now i've seen it all and i dont' even give a shit about gaynon

>>18342932
>You can see it by the use of typical guenonian ideas, analogies or expressions like "God is the qualitative infinite" (not just the quantitative one).
LoL, the whole Christian theology spoke about this from medieval. Read something except Guenonshit already.

>>18339289
>À mon sens, chez René Guénon, ce genre d'accusation - contre une acception autre que la sienne - auquel il a constamment recours, est toujours irritant : mais à la rigueur, lui, se justifierait en représentant qu'un certain ordre cosmique a fixé une fois pour toutes le sens des mots. (Bataille, Choix de lettres, p. 284)

Indeed, the obsession with btfo'ing is not really in earnest here. Bataille is not trying to refute Guénon, he only notes his reservation, what bothers him about him. Compare the letter I greentexted above, written to Pierre Prévost, a friend of Bataille's who was influenced by Guénon (he would later write a book "Georges Bataille & René Guénon" - but it's not worth bothering with, since he unfortunately doesn't write about a link between them). Bataille's impression of Guénon is ultimately a minor but interesting point in his intellectual history: and while he is overall not a fan, he is not wholly dismissive of him either: he thinks there's more to his ideas (e.g. of cyclical history) than to those of modern scientists, for instance.
(Guénon, in turn, had written one dismissive review about the College of Sociology, but was probably not aware of Bataille's work beyond that.)

>>18341095
Oh my based...

>>18339289
Seething

>>18342953
My bad, not the best example.
The one I had in mind was that of a teacher writing papal encyclicals using the same expression with the same analogy of the analytical analysis of all the number as the pure quantity to which the damned soul is condemned.
He even made the distinction between the infinite and the indefinite. This idea, that can of course be found elsewhere, was clearly expressed in the way Guénon.
But he was not quoted.
I should have been more precise on my example.

>>18343915
in the way Guénon did*

>>18343915
Where is that picture?

>>18343947
somewhere in central europe if I had to guess

>>18341081
>olavo de carvalho
lel

>>18343947
Soligny-la-trappe or La grande trappe, the house-origin of trappist in normandy, France.
Elie Lemoine in the photo was himself a trappist.

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>>18339289
Based Bataille not even bothering to refute priest caste gang because Nietzsche genealogically demolished it

>>18339289
Now post Bataille having a breakdown after attending Kojeve's lecture lol

>>18339289
Nigguenons btfoed

>>18344013
Based meme

>>18344013
shit meme, evola is a massive faggot degenerate

>>18344068
It was said he sometimes fell asleep during them lol

>>18344007
Cheers!

>>18341081
>Ernst Jünger
when and where

does Guenon fall for the "esotric religions were monotheistic" meme?

>>18344251
Then fight him in a duel, bitch

>>18346308
he talks about it in his WW2 diaries, Carl Schmidt told him about him but he doesn't say much about it.

>>18346722
Ok. He's dead already so I guess that means I win.

>>18341081
>Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who warmly praised him include
>Steve Bannon
lmao

>>18347132
Steve Bannon is /lit/ af, you fucking pseud

>>18346731
>fighting him in the material plane
You already lost m8

He is partly right. As a general metaphysician and diagnostician of metaphysics Guenon is amazing (Crisis of Modern World + Reign of Quantity), and as a platonist/hermetic expositor of symbols he's also amazing, but Guenon is a mediocre reader of modern philosophy at best. Partly because he simply isn't interested in it. For reasons that should be obvious if you read his broad critiques of the epoch.

To simplify, his big picture views of the metaphysical dead ends (and the social and psychological problems that result from being stuck in these dead ends) are excellent, but they cause him to be ignorant and out of step with his era, and he misses what is valuable and what has potential in it. It's a double edged sword.

Of course he would reply that nothing is of value outside of traditional doctrines, but much of what is valuable in modern philosophy is its perfection of tools for studying ancient philosophy. Guenon is very deep but very narrow in his assessment of "tradition", leaving him open to correction and criticism from people like Coomaraswamy.

His followers are much worse. Because Guenon set the trend of criticizing the giants of modern philosophy as a prelude to talking about traditional doctrines, his less talented followers, who don't even have his broad but shallow perspective of modern philosophy, speak about things they really shouldn't.

>>18344013
holy based meme

>>18339310
>you can defend his stupid arguments by just saying something like “HURRR YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND THE METAPHYSICS.”
lol, sounds like the retards who shill Evola every now and again.

>>18340822
How long until someone offs themselves in one of those things.

I was with Zizek

>>18341081
Wow a jack of all trades, master of none!

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>>18347134
>philosophers, artists and authors
Bannon is none of those, he pays people to ghostwrite pandering bs.

>>18340018
Wanna know how I know you didn't read him?

Shoo shoo crypto-Buddhists.

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>>18347169
good posts

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>>18349754
absolutely seething hylic

>>18343915
Ok, I'm sorry then. I shouldn't have been so rude.

>>18339289
Guenon and Evola fags are a pest to this board

>>18352015
???

this board is the internets main hub of /traditionalism/

>>18352466
pathetic of true

>>18341081
holy... based... PBUH!!!

>>18341081
>al arabiyya shadhilliya
>shadhilliya
>shadillay
guenon the first acolyte of kek confirmed

>>18352466
And I hate it - I was one of the people really getting the traditionalism general going by bumping the thread some years ago which reawoke traditionalism on this board. I didn't yet know how stupid this ideology is.

>>18352747
>didn't yet know how stupid this ideology
It’s the opposite of stupid, it’s the perspective of the intellectual elite

Haven't been here for a while, are Guenonfags really still spamming their threads?

>>18352813
>4chan
>intellectual elite

>>18352747
Apologize to Guenon (pbuh)

>>18353193
ye

>>18339289
lol this will make the guenonfag seethe so hard

>>18354130
It has already - most of this thread is copeposting

>>18347169
>much of what is valuable in modern philosophy is its perfection of tools for studying ancient philosophy.
This anon may not be online anymore but if he was i wish he would expand on this further. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

>>18341081
Evola > Guememe

>>18355430
comparing one shit to another doesn't spike my apatite for it

bump

>>18355430
ehh I used to think that until I read Guenon, but Evola just copied all of Guenon. he does take it in different directions and brings some new ideas to the world of Tradition, which is much appreciated.

>>18358046
bump

>>18354523
Fx. check out how fucked the readings of the emerald tablet have been throughout history because they didn't have the access to academic sources like we have today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qa4woIz_Ag

>>18360672
indeed, and the same can be said about a lot of Buddhist text, as a general rule you shouldn't thrust any orientalist work prior to 1950 and you should totally ignore works from the 19th century altogether

>>18346729
okey so he wasn't really influenced by guenon

>>18340018
Exactly this but about Guenon

>>18349779
No go ahead, tell me how you know I didn't read him. Make sure you go into full detail about how you know for a fact I did not read him.

bump

>bataille calling someone pretentious
big, hearty chuckle but he is right

>>18339289
I'm pretty sure I wasn't born yet

>>18362205
The wikipedia translation of the Bhagavad-Gita is from the 19th century. Is it really horribly wrong in some way? Does it change the fundamental meaning?

pumb

>>18362205
They are important to understanding the reception of the text and the criteria translators have held over time for producing their work.

>>18349731
I am not the poster in the screencap

>>18347169
He was corrected on hinduism, but not on his understanding of the notion of tradition.
He says the complete tradition exist only with initiation, spiritual legacy. Of course there can be some good thoughts from philosophers or academics (even though he had to refute them), but since they are not part of a tradition and are just rediscovering eternal truth with their own errors, it doesn't really matter.
Philosophy, like academy, by the simple fact of being separated from tradition or being profane, is shit in itself. Putting sweet whipped cream in it will not make it become nutella.
Guénon also says, in the same idea, that we don't have to care about the ever changing scientific theories and their useless details. Most of the spiritual thinkers who did are shit and are not spiritual.

>>18351894
No problem bro

>>18365730
plumb

It's amazing how much Guenon makes people seethe.

>>18340929
based

>>18349690
holy cope

This is amazing.

>>18339289
absolutely seething yet no substance to show for it....

>soijack memes

>>18367213
The Ayn Rand of religion.

>>18341086
>—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death
Redpill me on Seraphim Rose and Guénon, it's not the first time I heard it. I feel I am naturally gravitating towards a similar path in regards to Orthodoxy but I can't for the life of me understand where the two overlap

>>18370601
He started searching a serious spiritual tradition after reading Guénon.
Here is a letter of him

>Letter to a Reader of Rene Guenon
>Hieromonk Seraphim Rose
>Fr. Seraphim wrote the following letter towards the end of his lift, to a young man whom he heard was interested in the writings of the French metaphysician Rene Guenon. Portions of this letter-perhaps the most important of Fr. Seraphim's letters which have been preserved-have been included in 'Not of This World". Here for the first time we present the complete text

>.... It so happens that Rene Guenon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). I read and studied with eagerness all his books that I could get a hold of; through his influence I studied ·the ancient Chinese language and resolved to do for the Chinese tradition what he had done for the Hindu; I was even able to meet and study with a genuine representative of the Chinese tradition and understood full well what he means by the difference between such authentic teachers and the mere "professors" who teach in the universities.

>It was Rene Guenon who taught me to seek and love the Truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else; this is what finally brought me to the Orthodox Church. Perhaps a word of my experience will be of help for you to know.

>For years in my studies I was satisfied with being "above all traditions" but somehow faithful to them; I only went deeper into the Chinese tradition because no one had presented it in the West from a fully traditional point of view.When I visited an Orthodox Church, it was only in order to view another "tradition"-knowing that Guenon (and one of his disciples) had described Orthodoxy as the most authentic of the Christian traditions.

>>18370791
>However, when I entered an Orthodox Church for the first time (a Russian Church in San Francisco), something happened to me that I had not experienced in any Buddhist or other Eastern temple; something in my heart said that this is "home," that all my search was over. I didn't really know what.. this meant, because the service was quite strange to me, and in a foreign language. I began to attend Orthodox services more frequently, gradually learning its language and customs, but still keeping all my basic Guenonian ideas about all the authentic spiritual traditions.

>With my exposure to Orthodoxy and to Orthodox people, however, a new idea began to enter my awareness: that truth was not just an abstract idea, sought and known by the mind, but was something personal-even a Person-sought and loved by the heart. And that is how I met Christ. I am now grateful that my approach to Orthodoxy took several years and had nothing of emotional excitement about it-that was Guenon's influence again, and it helped me to go deeper into Orthodxy without the ups and downs that some converts encounter when they arc not too ready for something as deep as Orthodoxy. My entrance into the Orthodox Church occurred at the very time I left the academic world and gave up the attempt to communicate the Chinese tradition to the Western world. My Chinese teacher also left San Francisco shortly before this-my only real contact with the Chinese tradition-and in Guenonian fashion he disappeared utterly, leaving no address. I remember him fondly, but after becoming Orthodox I saw how limited was his teaching: the Chinese spiritual teaching, he said, would disappear entirely from the world if Communism endures another ten or twenty years in China. So fragile was this tradition-but the Orthodox Christianity I had found would survive everything and endure to the end of the world-because it was not merely handed down from generation to generation, as all traditions are; but was at the same time given from God to
man.

>>18370804
>I look back fondly now on Rene Guenon as my first real instructor in Truth, and I only pray that you will take what is good from him and not let his limitations chain you. Even psychologically, "Eastern wisdom" is not for us who are flesh and blood of the West; Orthodox Christianity is clearly the tradition that was given us-and it can be clearly seen in the Western Europe of the first ten centuries, before the falling away of Rome from Orthodoxy. But it also happens that Orthodoxy is not merely a "tradition" like any other, a "handing down" of spiritual wisdom from the past; it is God's Truth here and now-it gives us immediate contact with God such as no other tradition can do. There are many truths in the other traditions, both those handed down from a past when men were closer to God, and those discovered by gifted men in the reaches of the mind;' but the full Truth is only in Christianity, God's revelation of Himself to mankind. I will take only one example: there are teachings on spiritual deception in other traditions, but none so thoroughly refined as those taught by the Orthodox Holy Fathers; and more importantly, these deceptions of the evil one and our fallen nature are so omnipresent and so thorough that no one could escape them unless the loving God revealed by Christianity were close at hand to deliver us from them. Similarly: Hindu tradition teaches many true things about the end of the Kali Yuga; but one who merely knows these truths in the mind will be helpless to resist the temptations of those times, and many who recognize the Antichrist (Chalmakubi) when he comes will nonetheless worship him-only the power of Christ given to the heart will have strength to resist him.

>It is my prayer for you that God will open your heart, and you yourself will do what you can to meet Him. You will find there happiness you never dreamed possible before; your heart will join your head in recognizing the true God, and no real truth you have ever known will be lost. May God grant it! Feel free to write whatever is in your mind or heart.

>With love,
>Fr. Seraphim

>>18370791
>knowing that Guenon (and one of his disciples) had described Orthodoxy as the most authentic of the Christian traditions
is this really the case? from what I've read of Guenon, he seems more favorable towards (medieval) Catholicism, I seem to recall some criticism of Orthodox mysticism as well

>>18370791
Shit thats spooky, it's like it was written to me

>>18370856
In the article "christianism and initiation", Guénon clearly says there is no initiation in catholicism but that it doesn't apply to orthodoxy. That there is clearly initiation with hesychasm and on the Mont Athos. He says a good indicator of this is the absence of mysticism in the orthodox church (and also repetitive prayer learned from a spiritual father,...). He also talks about that in his letters.
>I seem to recall some criticism of Orthodox mysticism as well
He said the opposite, the mystics he criticize are only catholics or protestants. Of course he says mysticism is a degeneration of a similar path of devotion initiatic in essence.

I think the disciple he talks about was Michel Valsan, who went into it in detail about hesychasm and also clearly stating, as a sufi, that only orthodoxy was alive, from an initiatic standpoint.

In fact it was one of the critics of the sad Schuon when he sperged out against Guénon.

>>18370898
same bro

>>18365779
>He was corrected on hinduism
where and how?

>>18339289
bataille sounds like a /lit/ namedropper lmfao.

si c'est le seul auteur que t'as trouvé pour dénigrer guénon jai une mauvaise nouvelle pour toi

>>18371516
On Buddhism, my bad.

>>18371583
>si c'est le seul auteur que t'as trouvé pour dénigrer guénon jai une mauvaise nouvelle pour toi
cest quoi, la nouvelle?

>>18339289
That was the day the music died...
It's over, Guenon-bros...

>>18372796
It always was...

Brap