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it's spenglerian 'second religiousness'. he talks about it in decline of the west

Arrogance and entitlement. They want to be perceived as good people, without putting in any of the work to reflect on themselves or augment their behavior in any way. So a whore with 12 tattoos, 37 ex's, and 3 drug addictions will say she is "spiritual but not religious" because every religion on earth would ridicule her as an empty-headed, hedonistic whore.

See also: Psychology -- Coping Mechanisms

>>18340812
obvious incel

>>18340850
thanks

Evola's The Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism.

>>18340793
>spiritual, but not religious
What's the difference?

>>18340891

See >>18340812

>>18340815
Not male
In long term relationship
Get laid every weekend

Kill yourself, spirituoooler.

>on tinder/bumble
>thot has spirituality listed
>linked instagram full of semi lewds and link to an onlyfans
lmfao. its quite common.

>>18340793
Orthodoxy and the religion of the future, 1975, by Seraphim Rose, discusses this from the orthodox Christian perspective . Essentially he sees it as the influence of demons and people losing connection to God, interestingly he includes UFOs in this category of new spirituality as a blatant example of demonic activity, while discussing Eastern religion, the Evangelicals, etc. and how people are deceived by spiritual phenomena that are basically malevolent but appear benign. 1975 was 45 years ago now but the new spirituality hasnt changed much really.

I am not christian so from this book's perspective I'm part of those led astray, but it's an interesting perspective. The orthodox Christians really have the most coherent interpretation of their religion, to me as an outsider who knows only the basics, the unbroken chain of consonance of interpretation of scripture between the church patriarchs as sign of the holy spirit's activity makes a lot of sense. Even if you aren't Christian it might be interesting to see how modern spirituality is perceived by a different framework, a markedly non-modern, non-materialist framework, since we non-religious moderns are ourselves the object of study and can't step outside our own perspectives.

>>18340793
Evola: the mask and face of contemporary spiritualism

>>18340793
>trend of our society right now?
I don’t think its a major trend, I think you’re just triggered by something on social media

>>18341126
no

>>18340803
Qrd?

>>18340955
ywnbaw

>>18340812
what a dumbass take. people can't repent and find god if they have sinned in the past?

>>18340955
>refers to females as "empty-headed hedonistic whores"
>not male
you are not credible, you stupid fucking tranny

>>18343540
that's clearly not what he was implying.
he is not talking about repentent sinners at all. he is talking about people who say they are spiritual for +rep but act no different to before

please learn to read

>>18340793
The Spiritist Fallacy by Rene Guenon

>>18343551
no, not exactly. in two out of the three examples mentioned, he (or "she", apparently, according to what he said) referred to consequences of past acts that cannot be erased, such as tattoos and exes. neither of these factors are situated in the present moment. a repentant sinner could display these features. that anon should have chosen better examples.

>>18340955
>Get laid every weekend
you empty-headed hedonistic little whore.

>>18340793
>Spiritual
>To be concerned with the human spirit or soul over material things.

Literally anyone who has ever said something anti-consoooomer is spiritual.

>>18340812
>So a whore with 12 tattoos, 37 ex's, and 3 drug addictions will say she is "spiritual but not religious" because every religion on earth would ridicule her as an empty-headed, hedonistic whore.
Because religions aren't famous for taking in many rejects like those

>>18343609

>>18340812
This describes most American Christians as well though

>>18340793
Alasdair MacIntyre's essays in The Religious Significance of Atheism
Alasdair MacIntyre, Against the Self-Images of the Age

>>18340793
I'm religious, but not spiritual.

>>18340793
It's a bit of a nobrainer really. Spend your time instead researching why this website is becoming to shit, and post a thread in the next few days with your evidence.

>>18340955
Women don't get laid, they are laid.

>>18343792
like an egg?

>>18340793
Evola talks about it in Riding the Tiger, pic related.

>>18340793
99% of people who say this are young and freshly disillusioned about religious organisations. perhaps they're repulsed by the crimes and abuses of most major religions and refuse to be associated with them.

>>18343827
Ebola admired the beats in the same books

>>18340873
This, pic rel is the new edition by Inner Traditions

>>18341093
Based

99% of it is feel-good LARPing, individualistic, consumerist pseudo-spirituality. Saved you the read

>>18343609
religions do take in people like that, however they ask of them to change their behaviour
spiritual non religious however do not want to change

Organized religion has been under attack since the reformation. The first few who popularized that a relationship with God is only personal put us on this track. Coupled with the ontological disintegration of post kantian philosophy, a person's mere subjective feeling takes on supreme importance.

>>18343609
And the people whom anon refers to do not consider themselves religious.

>>18341093
That is a good reccomendation. I also advise Gilson's "God And Philosophy" to show how contemporary philosophy has destroyed coherent metaphysics as they relate to God.
https://youtu.be/mgVh8aJPPN8
This lecture by Edward Feser also details how the mechanistic view of the universe has led us to this

>>18343770
Based tradcath zoomer

Strange Rites: New Religions for a Godless World by Tara Isabella Burton

>>18343918
That’s weird I just read the old version. This one seems more normie friendly

>>18341933
It’s directly concerned with OPs question and gives some very good points

>>18346218
based

>>18340793
At least they're trying. All you other faggots here have given up trying to be a positive force. No wonder you suck.

Believing in magic and miracles but being too lazy to follow religious rules and doctrine. simple as that.
t. SBNR

>>18347644
It's not laziness, it's throwing off shackles.

>>18340793

>>18343918
Why did they change the title? I really dont like this cover.

>>18347051
I wouldnt be surprised if women were a large percentage of the customers for inner traditions.

>>18340891
"Spiritual" people refuse to name the god or spirits they believe in, or even separate demons from angels. Neither do they follow any religious commandments

>>18347702
Indeed, they are not part of a one and holy Christian cult, not part of the tens of thousands.

>>18343918
>Author of the Bestselling Revolt Against the Modern World
top kek

>>18346274
Ty for recs. Also I should really have said that the orthodox interpretation appeals to me rather than that it is the most coherent, bit arrogant to dismiss the other denominations interpretations when I don't know that much.

>>18348273
No prob man. Orthos and catlicks have been around a long time. They're both worth checking out. Trust your gut.

Are women the antichrist?

>>18349341
No

>>18347895
From New York Times Best Selling Author, Julius Evola

>>18340793
i am disgusted by this image. what fags.

>>18346218
very true, i have much experience with this group of people.

>>18340793
>trend
I have never met anyone like this?

>>18340812
second post best post

>>18343835
but instead will happily support the crimes and abuses of corperations/celebraties and partake in unsavoury behaviour themselfs. yeah hipocrits

>>18340812
>Arrogance
Ironic since you find it comforting to simplify it to such a puerile extent.
One could argue religiosity is the same, a façade that absolves one of their deeds and one that rejects introspection. Most practicing theists today don't even go to church or pay tithe, they just pray, it's all spirituality to some degree, to denote superiority or inferiority of character according to the brand of spirituality epitomizes the entitlement and hubris that you speak of.

>>18349252
Just finished God and Philosophy, was a good overview of the material. I knew most of the individual ideas but I had not seen them organized into a clear systematic history of philosophy and theology, and he does it very concisely. Thinking about the I am that am, the being which is being itself and creates all beings as given essences feels very close to the heart of the mystery, almost a spooky feeling really when you imagine its particular incarnations and what they imply beyond them, the world becomes extremely suffused with God and accompanying sense of awe and mystery. In purely metaphysical terms leaving aside judaism/christianity there is still something that seems slightly arbitrary in arranging being above essences instead of the Spinoza type reversal or the various Greek systems but I would have to think about it. Nice rec anyway

>>18347712
They're not part of any religion or cult, they do not worship at all.

>>18340815
Woman spotted.

>>18343540
They refuse religiosity because they refuse to repent. If you look at most new age trends, they're basically specifically designed to allow every kind of hedonistic belief cloaked within a pseudo-spiritual framework. They then make the only sin being a social conservative. It works very well in countries like America that have religious freedom written into the framework of the country, because you can justify all your retarded behaviour within your religion. LaVeyan Satanism is a perfect example of this.

>>18349801
Then you've never been to a major metropolitan area.

>>18343770
This
>Can easily switch between jihadist and sedevacantist
>Love condemning others with religious zeal
>Dont even believe in God

>>18343827
Not really a fan of Evola but he's bang on here.
>mfw i watched a "witchy" subreddit

>>18351158
Won't be so smug at the end.

>>18351186
Yes i will

>>18351158
pray for mercy

>>18340850
This actually looks interesting

>>18350179
I'm glad you liked it. He's a fantastic historian. He goes into more detail in his theory in The Unity Of Philosophical Experience. I'm only halfway done with it but his explanation of Cartesianism and how it broke with that mysticism you described is really interesting. I'm very excited to get onto his explanation of Kantianism and how it gave us the positivism that basically killed God. I have also read that Being and Some Philosophers is his magnum opus but I haven't read it. As for the critique of the view of God in the medieval system described in God and Philosophy you should read Gilson's The Spirit of Medevial Philosophy. Obviously God and Philosophy is a short book and doesn't really intend to go into detail about the particular views but rather give a historical context to the development of the views. So it is lacking in rigorous justification for the particular views.

>>18349906
Most people who are into this kind of stuff are usually heavily anticorpo, socialist types

>>18347051
>>18347663
>I wouldnt be surprised if women were a large percentage of the customers for inner traditions
Definitely. I always found it strange that Arktos unpublished the book a month after releasing it (I managed to snag a copy though). As far as I know the translation is the same, it's just a different title and cover (and publisher). Probably to cater to the Evola hype.
>>18347895
I mean for Inner Traditions Evola is definitely one of their best selling authors, and Revolt is probably his best selling book, so technically they're not wrong.

>>18352937
Thats a meaningless title at this point. I remember during the Obama era disdain for corporatations seemed sicnere. Occupy Wall Street was actually promoting something. Now corproations have become friendly and adopt all the liberal attitudes in marketing. All these spiritual but not religious types are the Millenial Karens who just love shopping at Target

>>18352937
Most of them, at least the ones I have met, are middle-upper class white neoliberal women. They live for consumerism.

>>18352851
I'll definitely take a look at the more in depth ones. I did find it impressive though his ability to explain the fundamentals with such concision and place them into an intelligible story, the way he describes the existential revolution in metaphysics as having come from religion was particularly interesting, the whole section about Augustine attempting to incorporate Plotinus into an existential metaphysics he was incompatible with was very interesting, how nobody appeared to have even realized the revolution the abrahamic god implied, a confusion which reemerges with the moderns.

“Spiritual but not religious” is code for “I am a slut but don’t judge me I am just finding myself”

>>18352937
It depends what circles. Backpacker circles, they are all dirty and broke smelly hippies.
Middle class young people (18-30), they will spend $200 on an outfit to look like a hippy in rags. They will spend hundreds decorating their bedroom to match whatever stage of spirituality they are in. They will buy overpriced food and drink that is marketed in a spiritual manner. They will spend $300 on a 'grounding blanket and pillowcase'.

These days being 'spiritual' means that you want a taste of God without any regard for the ethically bounding aspect of it.

>>18340793
Read some. All say the same bullshit but differently.

Actually, the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to these books are the ones trying to pass off spiritualism as being compatible with science and shit to that extent. Sam Harris is probably the most guilty of this shit. He goes on and on and on about how meditation and spirituality are compatible with science but never once makes a convincing argument.

Science sterilizes everything it touches by trying to assign some reductive reasoning to it. Is that bad? Not necessarily, but it's a terrible idea to try to mix it with spirituality.

The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, Vol. 1-2 by Drunvalo Melchizedek