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because im a good boy.

>>18338735
Because it is good to do so, your actions affect yourself, the world and other people. We see the results of immoral, selfish actions in today's shitty world.

You don’t. Secularism is the root of moral degeneracy and any deviation from God will lead to your inevitable demise. The only reason why any secular person would do something good is either for their self interest or to appease societal pressure.

You don’t. Secularism is the root of moral degeneracy and any deviation from God will lead to your inevitable demise. The only reason why a secular person would do something good is either for their self interest or to appease societal pressure.

>>18339024
> t. went poopoo in the peepees potty

>>18339052
Cope you damned fool

>>18338735
for fuck sake. Every god damm day we have the same thread. Can't you guys take a break?

also. we wouldn't

>>18338735
Firstly we’re going to have to have a conversation about what is “immoral”
Secondly, doing so, we arrive at a consensus for good conduct. The ancient mother’s golden rule still applies. Do with others as you would have them do with you. Mutual respect ought to made real, not punishable by a fictitious being in the afterlife, much less a state representative.

Why is this so difficult to think of?

>>18339024
As it so happened and happens to this day, you have it backwards. Atrocities in the name of gods are sanctioned and this is what’s painted our histories in blood.

>>18340015
Yawn

You don't need to read a book or be told anything by anyone to know that killing someone will make you feel guilt. We are built to be moral.

>>18340015
>Atrocities in the name of gods are sanctioned and this is what’s painted our histories in blood
Come on.. do we need to go over the secular atrocities of the 20th century? It's all so tiresome.

And OP's point is that there is no incentive to follow the golden rule if there's no reward after death, because there's no material advantage for following it, either

>>18338735
There is no reason that is not superficial, such as it would not make you happy or utilitarianism as if suffering is quantifiable such that 1000 people's suffering is "worse" than 1 person's and that would still matter despite the fact they will forget all their suffering after death... yeah, there is no reason

>>18340068
Do we need to go over the secularist faiths that caused these atrocities? What nation or race would you die for?

And the golden rule has its own advantages! Why are you still so stupid?

>>18340015
what is the measure of what is good, in the first place?
>do with others as you would have them do with you
great way of justifying the greatest individual violations

either everyone will need to work grounded on a single principle (which will establish the very distinctions you are predicating out of opinion) or there will be no unitive principle at all. now guess what gives you the former.

>>18340068
I wouldn't go so far as to say that you need a material gain in an afterlife. Morality needs to be an intrinsic good or a telos. Neither of these are possible without divinity.
>>18340094
But why should I adhere to the golden rule? Do you have any answer other than utilitarian?

>>18340094
the golden rule has advantages
But you can reap all the advantages and more by practicing it in public and breaking it when you're assured not to get caught

>>18340094
If someone has sex with me because they want me to have sex with them is that following the golden rule?

>>18340095
>what is the measure of what is good, in the first place?
You start
> great way of justifying the greatest individual violations
What? Like being kind enough not to take things from each other?
You imagine people can’t talk things over or indeed have a baseline set of principles to work with already. You just crawl pit from under a rock or something?

>>18340101
The community that does know how to behave around each other, would likely nab a raving schizophrenic. And either treat him or take his head off.

>>18340111
Your belly will fat with twice as many tarts and cheese cakes, anon. Be careful.

>>18340130
Yes

>>18340157
christ imagine having gratuitous sex devoid of any love with people you don't know is in any way beneficial to anyone.

>>18340150
I used to browse lit daily ~3 years ago, maybe 4. Then this butterfly bitch shows up and is in every thread, derailing, never engaging a point that isn't easily dismissed.

how can a person be on here like this, constantly, without ever growing changing evolving. Is it a shitpostAI?

>>18340157
very based. idk if I could let someone I didn't find attractive have sex with me, or the other way around even. Brave opinion none the less.

>>18338735
>If there is no such thing as God, [consequence of a false proposition]

>>18340150
>just crawl pit
Crawl out*
>Your belly will fat
Your belly will grow fat*
Foof

>>18340174
Loveless sex happens in most marriages, anon.
Now imagine having sex with in a friendly way.

>>18340175
I grow. I’m not the one posting the same dozen books for the past ten years. Did you have a question?

>>18340094
Nationhood, racial identity, etcetera, are integral to human nature, and it won't. change just because you said so.
And what this guy said>>18340111
is the point of the OP.

>>18340150
>have a baseline set of principles to work with already
That's... exactly what morality is ... ffs
But again, there's no incentive to not secretly break said principles if there's no punishment for doing so.

It's good enough to say it's practical. When you consider a society, social and psychological and political and cultural reasons. Only Westerners think something being contingent makes it invalid. We don't live in formlessness possibility but a real world where there is a difference between one thing and another, a difference between success and failure, function and dysfunction. If you consider dysfunction equal then you become too subhuman to engage with higher topics to begin with.

>>18340193
>Loveless sex happens in most marriages, anon.
That doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing
>Now imagine having sex with in a friendly way.
for fuck’s sake how can people believe this kind of shit without managing to see how disgusting it is? You believe in a meaningless world where the only purpose is to fuck strangers so you feel good for 30 minutes as if that will fill the gaping void in your soul. You are no better than an incel, I will never understand people who think orgasm is somehow necessary to life or beneficial in and of itself.

>>18340225
I generally agree but sex isn't equal to masturbation and if you merely get along with the person then it will have a level of intimacy and comfort derived from the sex act.

>>18340150
Your whole moralism is predicated on that which the Sacred, numinous consciousness, bestows humanity with: reason. It is reason that separates man from animals. Without reason there can't be anything human. And it is reason that will establish religion instantiating at the same time community.

>>18340203
Your unnatural appeal to nature is why we’re a dying “civilization”. Think a little harder and you might someday realize how unnatural nations are. But I’m not making a case for a return to primitivism either. Modern thinking shows just how related we are. You’re still spooked at the sight of the Other and look at them like aliens you instinctively want to crush. So they treat you as you treat them and it goes around a’round

>There’s no incentive!
You’re degenerates. You desire punishment. Just sick modernism is all.

>>18340225
>fuck strangers
That’s another modernist invention. I don’t advocate prostitution anon.

>>18340258
Reason is independent of religion. Thankfully

>>18338735
Empathy. If you lack it then all bets are off and the only thing to stop you is consequentialism. Hence why psychopaths are more prone to immoral acts. They don't give a shit and they see people as useable objects because that's how they tick and they never installed the empathy module.

>>18340273
trolololo
1) it's not an appeal to nature because I didn't claim it was good it bad
2) You're not the real butterfly,

>>18340273
It isn't lol. There is no reduction from phenomenal flux in a natural state of survival, without a community. Reason/Consciousness begins with the emergence of the Sign, and this is the sense of the Sacred. Read books.

>>18340299
>empathy
fuck off brainlet. there is no empathy without reason, no empathy in a natural state.

>>18340094
>Why are you still so stupid?
And now we know

>>18340335
Wtf does this mean?

>>18340379

>>18340335
Fucking cunt, it's not an appeal to nature because I didn't say it was good or bad, just that it can't be changed.

You: 2+2=5 is better, it's totally how it should be
Me: 2+2=4, that's just how it is
You: appeal to nature, you're stupid

Go fuck yourself. this is why women used to be banned from serious discussions

>>18340333
Lol what a stupid remark. No empathy in a natural state? What of the maternal instinct to nurture her child?

>>18338735
ummmmmmmmm cos its immoral?
you answered your own question

>>18340440
you really don't know what empathy even is

>>18340410
Do I have a reputation here or something?

>>18340433
>City-states have always existed
You’re an idiot.

>>18340453
You are either a damaged soul or a robot. Get well soon.

>>18340475
In-groups have always existed, stupid cunt.

>>18340487
How large?

>>18340475
you can't even understand my point lol. there is simply no good or bad in irrationality, individualist, animalistic, state. morality and immorality (good and bad) are universals, universals are not particulars, thus they bind a whole, a total community. all i'm saying is how these emerge from primitive violent chaos.
also you are the one who literally worships stirner why would you even argue the things you did. is it because you don't read books?

>>18340497
Okay, you got me on a technicality. I should have said in-groups have always existed, not nationhood.Nice job. But my point stays the same, and you're still wrong.
Maybe I should clarify even more, so you don't get confused:
For as long as hominids have walked the earth, in-groups have existed, and from this stems concepts like nationhood and racial identity, and these things, for better or worse, can't be removed from the human psyche.

Better?

>>18340273
Punish me butterfly. Whip me. Make me crawl

>>18340534
>But my point stays the same, and you're still wrong.
No no. Not at all. I advocate clusters of community and an education that reduces fear of the Other. Global community through massive decentralization would be far more natural and effective to the ridiculously harmful imperialist unity/conformity we’ve been dealing with for millennia

>>18340664
So who carries out the punishment? I nominate you.

>>18340664
> global community
> decentralization

>>18340738

>>18340748
I've been very bad Butterfly

>>18339024
Lol, A religious person only does good for his own self interest - he does not want to go to hell.

>>18340787
A religious person wants to go to heaven because heaven is ultimately good. Everybody wants what they think is ultimately good. Your statement isnt much of a critcism

>>18340867
It is a criticism of your criticism, or do you think there is any meaningful difference between a secular person and a religious person wanting what is ultimately good?

>>18340886
I'm a different anon. I suppose I missed the context. I've run into people on this site who call heaven "spiritual gibs" and say that wanting heaven somehow delegitimizes a Christian's act. I guess your statement is different
>do you think there is any meaningful difference between a secular person and a religious person wanting what is ultimately good?
Not at all. Everyone wants what they think is good.

>>18340174
Charles Fourier joined the chat

>>18340015
>ought

you keep using that word, i dont think you know what it means.

>>18341894
Pardon.
“Ought to be made real”*

>>18341925
Please punish me butterfly

>>18341938
>

I don't know how to set small manageable goals to make myself believe I'm capable of doing this. I'm not able to do what I thought was a small, manageable goal reliably any more

>>18338735
Very suggestive. Just know, that if one day you do try what youre implying, you will get caught. Theres no denying it.

>>18338735
Because it's not aesthetic.