/lit/ - Literature

Families are miserable.

a supporting and loving family letting their little kid go through their silly but normal rebellious phase

>>18286402
a child is going through a rebellious phase

>>18286420
this.

The grandmother is sprinkling rat poison into that cup while the birthday girl is distracted by the camera man. The other young lady knows but says nothing, the Matriarch has ordained it so. It is for the good of the Clan.

>>18286402
>be American youth
>raised in individualist-libertarian cultural vacuum
>raised in consumerist dystopia
>treat identity as a consumer good that you can just purchase and apply as easily as you can apply makeup
>pick the gaudiest, shallowest and most external identity possible, because to modern tastes anything is "good" or "special" so long as it stands out
>ineffectual father figure fails to even assert his authority, much less actually address the profound existential dread that drives a youth to this type of clownery
>vapid, uncaring family - unconcerned with any serious paternal authority that may assert order or any sense of personal and cultural standards - enables this disastrous and self-destructive behaviour
>at best, all this means "celebrating" the birthday of a cherished family member while paradoxically experiencing deep anguish at the same time; at worst, this celebration entails treating this normally due to a complete lack of awareness
>this is the future we chose

>>18286548
have sex

>>18286566
okay, hand over your bussy

>>18286420
None of this is normal you half-brained domesticated faggot

>>18286575
i'm too fucking old to argue with some try hard "trad" edgelord on the internet

>>18286420
Kid should be beat until it has a reason to dress like that

>>18286635
very naive. all you're doing is hurting the kid who will most likely ignore you anyway.

>>18286575
Your sons will end up touching their daughters.

>>18286623
>t. you
>>18286645
Clearly, you have never been beat.

>>18286402
jessica, 9 looks like a weird goth fuck

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>>18286548
Well said.
I would have never found those words. Das it mane

>>18286658
i was actually. my dad is cameroonian and he thought everything could be solved by violence, like most people there.

>>18286635
Holy mother of based

>>18286635
>>18286658
reminder corporal punishment empirically makes children's behaviour worse, reduces their grey matter, impulse control, etc.

>>18286658
Yes people tend to think the treatment they recieved as children is justified. Because if they didn't they would have to accept that their childhood wasn't good, and that the childhood has affected their mental state in a negative way.

I understand why this is hard for you, but it's probably the reason you have multiple wojak folders on your computer.
Beating your kids isn't helpful mkay. You aren't changing them, just making them hide those parts of themselves.

>>18286672
Lambert based.
>>18286679
I've had time to reflect on it, the same shit happened to me lol. Only difference is I got into a different type of metal music so no goth makeup. Spent my teen years walking around in all black with the leather clothes and all that. I got better, but since I didn't learn good taste when I should have I still have a huge fetish for punk girls and dyed hair. It sucks so hard bros.

Her birthday is on halloween or something idk

>>18286548
Still not necessarily the easiest style to pick though. It'll still get you lots of weird stares and in trouble with various school administrators.

Typical shit.

>>18286402
Teenage menstrual trauma happened, therefore, penis needs to be applied to turn underdefined lacking unwashed pussy into real grown up cunt.

t. Freudian analyst with 30 years of consulting experience

>>18286683
Your dad sounds based, bro. DESU generally violence is better than no violence, although a really talented parent can solve things perfectly with just a normal chat. Those people are rare, though.
>>18286687
Reminder that not using corporal punishment empirically makes your kids lose all respect for authority and that actions have consequences.
>>18286698
I was beat, my childhood was shit (but not because of the beatings). I don't care.
>Beating your kids isn't helpful mkay. You aren't changing them, just making them hide those parts of themselves.
Maybe if your kids are weak. Being beat not only taught me to stand my ground or get fucked, but also taught me good habits because that's why my parents were beating me. Some kids shrink away. Those are not very suited for corporal punishment, but then again with that kind of people, you won't need it very often.

>>18286635
Don't worry, give her a year or two and she will be working in a bank or estate agent somewhere, hoping that mom never posts this pic on her feed where her yearly performance reviewer will see it.

>>18286721
That is true, but that's also partly what makes it compelling for many youths. Paying a price for your style makes you feel that it's significant and truly matters.

>>18286698
>mkay
Or maybe sometimes it is okay to realize you were a faggot that deserved a little slap for fucking with your mom or dad.

>>18286736
Reminder that authority based only on violence doesn't deserve respect.

>>18286749
cont. It's not necessarily that it was good, or that it could not have been handled better, but have the imposition that another person's childhood was "bad" because it didn't fit in with your cultural conception of a "good childhood" is retarded because the subject's account is still important.

/lit/bros, please, never have kids. they'll turn into serial killers.

if you think you can beat a child into conforming to your ideals, try reading about the mistakes of the behaviorists

>>18286736
>Reminder that not using corporal punishment empirically makes your kids lose all respect for authority and that actions have consequences.
If that were the case, then why do kids that get hit behave worse? Most of the badly behaved children I've known came from dysfunctional households with lots of corporal punishment, while all the meek ordinary hard-working children came from middle class households without it. The cause and effect link between corporal punishment and future misbehaviour seems to have been empirically demonstrated by studies showing that when parents phase out corporal punishment, bad behaviour decreases also. Viz. your "actions have consequences" comment -- children subjected to corporal punishment have lower impulse control, more likely to commit crime, do drugs, etc. It seems to have the exact opposite effect that you say it does. Defenders of corporal punishment speak in platitudes (and enjoy the gruff grandiosity of their own statements) but rarely appeal to empirical evidence. Ironically betraying their own lack of intellectual discipline, and emotional impulsivity.

Lmao at the poofta cunt bootlickers itt having a sook because "huur dressing goth means you are rebelling against society".
First of all its superficial.
Secondly should society in its current state not be rebelled against?

>>18286548
>>18286575
>>18286635
>>18286658
>>18286672
>>18286679
>>18286686
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>>18286749
nasty
vile
little incels

>>18286703
>Sucks so hard

Got to make the most of it Anon, my carer is pretty gothy and I don't think i'll ever make a non consumerist out of her but she's cute, kind and obedient so I manage. Just find one who's not an edgy degenerate.

My parents beat me, my school disciplined me, I was still punk as a teenager.

>>18286783
Why are you Americans so obsessed with sex? Is it because you're all homosexuals?

>>18286736
>the grown """""""""man"""""""""" who needs to bully small children to feel tough
>calling others weak
lmfao if you justified this this by saying that rabbi guenon said so this would be peak /lit/

>>18286783
one single incel is worth ten thousand women

>>18286402
This child can't be helped, right?

I've been thinking of the aporias of an imaginary heroic-like salvation of someone stranded and astrayed and, alas, yet without a sufficient self-awareness to seize the roads they've astrayed in for a while.

And what i've came to is -- not because the so called unique horrible modernity, that i doubt exists -- because of the very nature, a priori and ontologically based, of a human kind one cannot escape the traps scattered along the way. Not only the evasion is impossible, but also it is impossible to quit such a trap without being damaged. So there can't be such a hero to save. That hypothetical Orpheus will escape only with wreckage left from what have a been a pure soul.

Either way she quits -- gets on drugs, self hate, mental degradation or chooses middle class life journey -- isn't she doomed? As doomed as her family?

In this perfectly contraposed image interdependent parts are presented: silly and unfair label of "rebel" attached by the left part onto the child (she exists only as long as they exist) and the silly contempt opposed from right to left (not to mention, their existence is dependent on hers). But they are dialectically the same. The ones who lost the battle, and the one yet to lose. And, to tell the truth, i see more blackness and horror on the left.

>literally in this place, a bunch of losers squeal from a cool looking girl who will never be with such nerds as they

>>18286750
Reminder that authority based on violence doesn't care if it deserves respect.
>>18286769
Beatings aren't sufficient for a good upbringing. Used on their own, they will backfire. Combined with other methods, they can help.
>>18286770
>If that were the case, then why do kids that get hit behave worse?
Sounds like bullshit. At worst, they'll learn to lie very well, but they will behave nice in public.
>children subjected to corporal punishment have lower impulse control, more likely to commit crime, do drugs, etc
I will accept what you say as true, but I do not think you can blame this on corporal punishment. Quantitative study cannot pinpoint something like this. All the alcoholic retards who beat the shit out of their families would also count in such a study and would therefore spoil the results.
>Ironically betraying their own lack of intellectual discipline, and emotional impulsivity.
Meanwhile "meek middle class" kids like you take smug jabs from behind their veneer of impartial intelligence, because you think you're so smart.
>>18286793
Nice fanfic retard, want me to jerk you off as well or is your own hand sufficient?
>>18286813
Take your meds.

>>18286783
Post tits, Wendy

>>18286783
I told you earlier to hand over your bussy, anon.
>>18286789
That's the issue. Physically, I am super attracted to edgy degenerates, even though my soul knows that I should be going for the opposite type of woman.

Absurd

>>18286813
based
when you losers have a girl you won't care about your dumb fucking incel ideas
let her enjoy her self
if you're worried about her becoming a whore then lead by example

>>18286829
Have you considered that the reason that you are unhappy is that the views you hold are making you so? You got beaten as a kid and now are terrified of other men seeing you as weak because you only ever see yourself as a child in comparison to them. The only one you are fooling is yourself.

>>18286852
>>18286813
cringe samefag

>>18286862
more like based truthfags

>>18286703
>>18286847
>since I didn't learn good taste when I should have I still have a huge fetish for punk girls and dyed hair
>Physically, I am super attracted to edgy degenerates
reminds me of this
https://youtu.be/TSKizLRFbTo
>her infertile lifestyle drives you wild

>>18286736
>empirically
then show the proofs

>>18286420
>>18286430
It's NOT a phase mom!

>>18286687
>empirically
I dont believe in studies

>>18286623
Ah, so your testosterone levels have shrunk to negative levels due to a lifestyle of physical inactivity and conformity. Go hang yourself, faggot.

>>18286901
we know, you've already shown yourself to be illiterate and retarded

>>18286907
i bet when you hear that older people tend to be conservative you attribute it to their wisdom in old age. cherry picking fuck lmao

>I will do the sex sex sex sex cannopt stoph me oooogoooooohoooooohooooooooo cryiogn psuuuy styanly,,,,,,,

>>18286829
>Sounds like bullshit. At worst, they'll learn to lie very well, but they will behave nice in public.
The effect I've seen described in the literature is that corporal punishment produces a short-term increase in compliance but a long-term pattern of increased non-compliance. It also says that corporal punishment doesn't seem to produce moral internalisation (the kid learns not to perform the behaviour in front of the parent, not that the behaviour is "wrong". They become better liars and continue to act out risky and/or antisocial behaviours in secret).
>All the alcoholic retards who beat the shit out of their families would also count in such a study and would therefore spoil the results.
This is a reasonable concern but so far as I've seen follow-up studies have accounted for the severity of punishments (and also adjust for factors like race, socioecononomics, education, etc.).
>Meanwhile "meek middle class" kids like you take smug jabs from behind their veneer of impartial intelligence, because you think you're so smart.
No he can't heckin insult me on an internet forum

>>18286907
what's wrong with conformity? don't you want everyone to be nazis/christians/whatever?

>>18286847
Well good luck Anon, meanwhile I get stuff like

>sorry Sir, I got cheek piercings and forgot to ask if thats ok

Edgy degenerates are fun but so are sweet girls in edgy costumes.

>>18286921
>conformity with all things good, noble and beautiful
>conformity with clown world
>the same thing

>>18286940
>no argument, just spooks
looks like I win yet again

>>18286940
>>conformity with all things good, noble and beautiful
the love between men,. only lower souls love women..

>>18286951

>>18286861
>terrified of other men seeing you as weak because you only ever see yourself as a child in comparison to them
Leave the armchair pop psychology in your advice column, cheers.

>>18286402
I unironically thought this was photoshopped.

>>18286402
The problem is the age of consent. If only her teacher could lay his hands on her she would immediately be cured.

>>18286960
Because children who are sexually abused turn out fine

>>18286954
I accept your humble concession.

>>18286967
Its not abuse if she needs, wants and thrives through it.

>>18286960
umm... based?

If I say I want to fuck her
>I'm an incel
If I say I don't like her
>I'm an incel

>>18286967
desu Trauma is a myth and an adult cock could potentially cure all of todays youth problems.

>>18286974
This lol. Dressing like that is a cry for help from the child. Help in the form of beatings.

>>18286402
She cute. I wish I had a girlfriend like her.

>>18286992
Not beating but the cry for her first orgasm.

>>18286984
It isn't about wanting to coom.
It's about your attitude to people that makes you an incel
i.e. beating kids is good

>>18286402
teenage angst fueled by social media apps engineered to fixate your instantaneous cravings, I wonder how much pornography women look at.

>>18286548
oh she'll grow out of it

>>18286990
this is why I love 4chan, you don't get posts like these anywhere else

>>18286861
I have literally never been unhappy, anon. When I see something funny, I am happy for the next two minutes. When I see something sad, I am unhappy for the next two minutes. When I see your post, I feel cringe overcome me for the next two minutes. Simple stuff.
>>18286894
Source: my interaction with people who didn't get beat as kids.
>>18286920
>The effect I've seen described in the literature is that corporal punishment produces a short-term increase in compliance but a long-term pattern of increased non-compliance. It also says that corporal punishment doesn't seem to produce moral internalisation (the kid learns not to perform the behaviour in front of the parent, not that the behaviour is "wrong". They become better liars and continue to act out risky and/or antisocial behaviours in secret).
If you only beat your kid then yeah they won't internalise shit. If you explain why you beat them then they easily will. Also the "act out in secret" stuff is a cope. It's only true if you beat your kids enough to piss them off but not enough to make them realise that actions have consequences.
>This is a reasonable concern but so far as I've seen follow-up studies have accounted for the severity of punishments (and also adjust for factors like race, socioecononomics, education, etc.).
I doubt the ability of researchers to account for this acceptably well.
>No he can't heckin insult me on an internet forum
I literally insulted you back retard.

>>18287005
>i.e. beating kids is good
I never said that wtf

>>18286892
It's fucking true, although some of the ones in the video look soulless. Also, a septum piercing is an instant turnoff. Makes otherwise beautiful people look like livestock. No idea why people get them.
>>18286927
LOL that's kind of cute. Thanks btw.
>>18287033
By no means a foregone conclusion.

>>18286575
>>18286635
these two are also going through their silly but normal rebellious phase

>>18287049
People learn that "actions have consequences" regardless of whether or not they are beaten. And even those that are beaten follow rationality: they minimise negative consequences and maximalise positive ones, while still behaving in as close a manner as they please as possible. Is the "actions have consequences" precept a moral one? Because it can be learned anywhere. And is it meant to prevent bad behaviour? Why, when bad behaviour can easily be committed without incurring negative consequences?

>>18287005
Still in that huh?

>>18287066
>By no means a foregone conclusion.
I biated you, I merely parroted what i have heard parents say, when they are either too apathetic or scared to impose onto the development of their children, or simply have no idea. It is so strange, the nurture of the human mind

>>18287049
lmao

>>18287079
>People learn that "actions have consequences" regardless of whether or not they are beaten.
This is absolutely untrue and I know this because I go to university in a Western country where no one beats their kids. I have never seen a people this fickle, entitled and unrealistic. No respect for family at all, either. Whenever one of them complains to me about their siblings or parents it makes me want to throw up.
>Is the "actions have consequences" precept a moral one? Because it can be learned anywhere.
It's a practical one at least as much as it is a moral one and the problem is that it is not learned just anywhere.
>And is it meant to prevent bad behaviour? Why, when bad behaviour can easily be committed without incurring negative consequences?
Because it is a demonstration that bad behaviour is beneath the dignity of the party which is being punished. If you did not think someone could do better, you would not bother to punish them at all. Not to mention that people who act with utter impunity often do a lot more damage with their lack of good sense than those who at least know the limits of what can and cannot go unpunished.
>>18287140
Owned.

>>18286402
a desperate cry for attention and genuine family bonding that the child has been denied her entire life

>>18286749
Well I think it's pretty safe to say you are socially maladjusted. I turned out good, you go around advocating violence against children.

>>18287114
LOL. Okay anon, you got me.

>>18286420
this.

>>18287151
If beating produces respect for parents, then why are children that are beaten less compliant? If corporal punishment produces moral behaviour, then why do those reared with it have worse outcomes: more criminality, more drug abuse, more domestic abuse, etc.? Your subjective experience of people being "fickle, entitled, unrealistic" and lacking in respect for family can be attributed to a million other cultural factors. What country did you come from, and what country are you in now?

>>18286808
that's a lot of words to say not much at all. If you can summarise your post in one sentence, post it as one sentence.

>>18287183
See >>18287049

>>18286402
The most creative people often don't appear any strict way at all and are even through subconscious envy belittled by people like in the OP but are never called creative in the same way she would be. I would know because I used to be that way and by proxy still am. Someone who comprehends the world in such a physical and literal way will only ever skim the delightful surface but never really puncture into anything substantial.

>>18287183
>then why are children that are beaten less compliant?
They are not. Use your brain. Who is more likely to comply with your requests, a person who knows they will get beat if they don't or the opposite?
>If corporal punishment produces moral behaviour, then why do those reared with it have worse outcomes: more criminality, more drug abuse, more domestic abuse, etc.?
Because most people who use corporal punishment are alcoholics or other shitbags and skew the statistics.
>Your subjective experience of people being "fickle, entitled, unrealistic" and lacking in respect for family can be attributed to a million other cultural factors.
It can, but it is not, because my qualitative analysis is way more reliable than "quantitative social science".
>What country did you come from, and what country are you in now?
Serbian living in the UK.

>>18286420
it's not rebellious in the slightest. taken alone it wouldn't be, if anything it would be total conformity to subculture marketing. but if they are a supporting and loving family then what is rebellious about it. and what is rebellious about normalcy?

>>18286635
>t.

>>18287212
>They are not. Use your brain.
You can invent rationales for anything, the problem is that the evidence contradicts you. When parents stop using corporal punishment, the behaviour of their children improves.
>Because most people who use corporal punishment are alcoholics or other shitbags and skew the statistics.
This is literally the first thing they account for.
>It can, but it is not, because my qualitative analysis is way more reliable than "quantitative social science".
Delusion.

>>18286770
corporal punishment isn't some utter failure/loser beating their kid constantly for no reason. it's actual corporal punishment. measured and applied effectively with no emotion involved on the punisher's part (much less enjoyment). you can't take people who are worse than their kids fucking around as an example of corporal punishment lmao.

>>18286402
>marilyn manson
dumb bitch, at least listen to nine inch nails if you have to listen to edgy goth shit

I correctly understood that you guys would beat your daughter if she dressed like this for her birthday and you would ruin her holiday because of your stupid views?

>>18287253
Sorry anon but even moderate spanking produces these same effects, just to a lesser degree. All violent punishment is associated with these outcomes.

Damn you really are legion

>>18287251
>You can invent rationales for anything, the problem is that the evidence contradicts you. When parents stop using corporal punishment, the behaviour of their children improves.
Muh evidence. Most of you people do not actually have any sources. Those who do typically have broken methodology. What you say is simply wrong and no appeal to authority will make it otherwise.
>This is literally the first thing they account for.
I am sure they do, anon.
>Delusion.
It is called independent thinking, anon.
>>18287281
If your kid has the clothes and makeup to dress up like this you have already lost the war.

>>18287295
>Those who do typically have broken methodology.
You literally made this up. Your parents should have spanked you more to stop you lying

>>18286548
>authority enables prosperity
O.K pal

>>18287193
>I could save her bros

Best books to read about goth girls?

>>18287268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbnN6QmdrH4

>>18287336
100% of social studies I have actually bothered to read off of the "peer reviewed journal" had some deliberately misleading, obscurantist or flawed methodology.

>>18286402
literally me

>>18286402
>how would you describe what is happening in the photo?
badass

>>18287253
it generally is

>>18286548
Did you give yourself a little rush while typing this out?

Girl is cute. Hope her family supported her.

>>18286402
Her makeup job is excellent. That kid is talented

>>18286402
based

thread has a disturbing lack of big tiddy goth gf

>>18286528
I love this.

Marilyn Manson is a bad person but his early psychedelic rock stuff was pretty good

https://youtu.be/phjXoYqYE2U

>>18286402
>when amidst the flashing multicolor strobelights, ear-grating music, glittery oddly demonic costumes, and facepaint of a bizarre end-of-the-year elementary/middle school stage performance your high-school class was forced to watch from the bleachers, you uneasily and in reluctant disbelief begin to differentiate and draw distinctions within the dance-chaos of spasmodic, erratically dancing costumed imps—recalling what could perhaps be, behind the eye mask, a memory of an individual seen the year prior, a memory of that attentive, energized yet contemplative, member of a group of elementary students who you taught in the identification of native plants on campus, that girl who sat cross-legged on the grass, in dreamlike observation of flowers and leaves of each particular tree in discussion, asked questions wisely beyond her years, her distinction not obnoxiously distracting from the rest of the group but completing and vivifying and motivating both students and teacher, an archetype of the awe-struck, religious curiosity of the child-observer of the natural world, that simple passion which you yearn to reobtain, failing to conjure it no matter how many field-guides and academic papers you read, no matter how much isolated strolls in the woods, the child-spirit that never doubted why it stared intensely at the smallest insect, that child-spirit which synthesized science and religion, that threefold spirit of wisdom and knowledge and understanding that goes beyond jargon and sterile biomass calculations…..alas that childish spirit, that innocence, I have lost it, it has been lost—……
>……the clamor stops abruptly and the darkling ghouls in risqué costume end their performance and the masks disappear behind the shadows of the curtain and neon-purple glow is all that remains. The nightmare is finished
Yeah it wasn’t her OP, surely it wasn’t, no chance, couldn’t have been. What was I thinking?

>>18286921
Not everyone is an universalist

>>18286420
Tbh I get the sentiment but a loving family wouldn't let their child dress like a horror movie antagonist. Girl in op is 12 and that's kinda fucked to let her dress like that at that age

>>18286772
>superficial materialistic society
>rebel superficially and materialistically.

>>18286402
/ck/ here. Why isn’t anyone talking about those atrocious yellow cakes?

>>18287268
Lycia is better

>>18287574
I think the question of "should" or "should not" is not really the main question, rather it's the fact that "she does" and trying to suppress this will likely only make the tendency grow stronger. She is a young artistic-minded girl and as a social / cultural phenomena what she's doing isn't very different from Renoir's depiction of a young "Bohémienne" from 1868.

Also the history of gothic art, literature and aesthetics have a long tradition in western culture. This might look like an extreme modern version of it, but I don't think it's that new, really.

>>18286652
Hits pipe

This is an artistic representation of me when I go to dinner with my family

>>18286402
Kid goes through unfortunate phase, family being gracious

I feel that a 12-year-old dressing like a horror movie antagonist is much better than a 42-year-old dressing like a horror movie antagonist.

>>18287675
>OH GOOOD IM GONNA FOOOD OOHHH I'M FEEDIIIING
back to co/ck/, f**dfag

I find the speed at which people forget what being an adolescent feels like to be very tragic and socially stifling.

>>18286528
The old man sees and disapproves yet remains silent.

>>18286548

>>18287675
Nobody gives a fuck about a shitty cake, as if there is such a thing as a good cake, when the endgame is asceticism

>>18287936
13 candles
>>18287675
Lemon cake is delicious

>>18287903
>trying to suppress this will likely only make the tendency grow stronger
This is a lie that has been repeated to you so many times you started to believe it.

>>18286402
A little old for trick or treating if I'm being honest.

>>18286913
Sc*entism is the most repugnant religion on this planet.

>>18287027
>I wonder how much pornography women look at.
I would not be surprised if most of gen Z were internet pornography addicts.

>>18286736
>Reminder that not using corporal punishment empirically makes your kids lose all respect for authority and that actions have consequences
Lol no. I was beat and it just led me to have no impilse control, I'd beat my own parents back (lmao) until I got my shit together on my own.

>>18287985
Read the desert fathers. There is a time for asceticism and a time to rejoice for others. You must be fun at parties—forcing to guests to eat shitty cake while you sit their moping after not eating for several days. Fast in private, eat well in company. Unless you are a total hermit, but if you need to eat, which you do since you are not angelic, eat well and partake of the fruits of creation. Learn to live in want but also learn to live in satiety

>>18287985
Furthermore, the Israelites literally offered cake offerings to God and if you do not comprehend the immense importance communal eating and BREAD has to do with Christianity then you are probably a braindead gnostic or someone who denies the incarnation, in which case you are truly lost. Asceticism is a means not an end to itself. See you at the wedding feast!

>>18288190
Imagine caring about your relevancy at parties

Its cruel to let your child become a freak, you dont have to beat them but if you seem them get into weird shit it's your job to steer them away

>>18287221
its rebellious but not revolutionary - it's easily recuperable by capitalism and does not threaten the structure it rebels against but rather appreciates this structure through rebelion.

>>18286575
>>18286635
being a teen trad is not normal you half-brained domesticated cunt - someone has beat any sense out of you guys.

>>18287574
I wish I could dress that edgy at that age

>>18288281
Caritas!

What would you guys do if you adopted your niece and she was like the goth girl? How would you go about giving her the love she needs?

>>18288190
I’m not eating that sugary cyanide, I’ll politely refuse. And continue to socialize. I never eat anything I don’t personally make and I’m still invited to dinner parties(I bring my own food)

>>18288247
That shit isn’t comparable to what was offered to god. The Israelites put more work into their “cakes” than that bitch who likely bought a “cake” from costco

>>18286402
Why are white people so emotionally unavailable for their own kin? And they want to make fun asians lol.

>>18288098
scientism is a term used to deride. i don't think you understand it. it is not a religion you utter twat.

>>18286402
>thirteen candles

>>18286528
sorry but she's just holding a phone, it blends into the background.

>>18288652
Science "believers" are religious, and frankly, more often wrong than other religions.

>>18286736
Sounds like a lack of grey matter.

>>18288661
those are the prime childbearing years

>>18286420
There's nothing normal about it, and allowing your kids to act in such deviant ways is not good or healthy. In that picture I see evidence of the parents not having any control over who their daughters hangs out with and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

>>18286420
this. and also rich people privilege that the kid has time and energy to go through this phase instead of worrying about other things

Fuck I miss being 13

>>18289021
Actually same.

>>18289028
Thats when I peaked. Its all been downhill since

>>18286420
"rebellious" phase is literally a marketing term to get kids away from their parents and sell them harmful garbage

>>18289037
For me, it was before there was any pressure. Now I have to be someone and do something.
Back then I could just be me and was glee.

>>18289046
>t. Has no personality

>>18289051
cope, your rebellious phase was just a consumerist scheme and you fell for it

>>18289046
>rebellious" phase is literally a marketing term to get kids away from their parents and sell them harmful garbage

>>18289059
Everyone thinks you're boring

>>18289051
>t. bought a personality

Better to have none than have one made for you

>>18289066
Everyone thinks you're a sucker and laughs knowing how you acted as a teenager

>>18289074
>>18289065

>>18289079
Cope, keep buying what the merchant tells you to buy