/lit/ - Literature

>>18230169
That's not what surrogate activity means

>>18230169
Convicted Unabomber Theodore J. Kaczynski considered having a sex change operation when he was in his twenties and his confusion over his gender identity filled him with a rage that contributed to his bombing spree.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/09/12/gender-confusion-sex-change-idea-fueled-kaczynskis-rage-report-says/eb33b946-8595-427d-af4c-9ccaada45935/

>>18230169
He was a dumbass

I think that surrogate activities are preferable to the primitive completion of power process. Yeah we end up less satisfied or whatever but if it leads to great things like art, philosophy or science then the sacrifice of happines and self-fulfilment is well worth it. It is better to be a neurotic creator than a happy animal.

>>18230198
He only had that thought because he was mk-ultra'd

>still seething about the fact that he was right
Just let it go

>be Ted k
>write and publish a manifesto
>in it declare everything not having to do with survival a surrogate activity
>make the argument that argument is a waste of time
>refute yourself merely by thinking
Lol what a dumbass

>>18230238
His prescriptions were retarded. It was if he tried to plagiarize Trotski, while on LSD.

>>18230230
it was probably because he was autistic in some form. and autists are showing that they grasp gender and identity differently

>>18230169
How? So first you read his manifesto and if you are not butthurt, then you have taken him serious

>>18230272
Have you read and understood it?
He's not saying not to do it, just that you are not gonna get the joy of doing anything real.
>inb4 you did a ben meme

>>18230364 me
that's why people in cubicles want to kill themself, and why people don't care about things that doesn't serve their own surrogate activity

>>18230169
> Then bombs a few people
So they threaten his lively hood and that justify murder if you read locke

>>18230272
>Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental faculties in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X? If the answer is no, then the person’s pursuit of goal X is a surrogate activity. Hirohito’s studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting non-scientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn’t know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals. On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)
Did you even read his manifesto?

>>18230419
They didn't, its just bugmen saying bugmen shit
>inb4 I read it three times so far and I'm getting ready to buy stamps

>>18230364
Ted says people would be better off leaving behind the internet, books, even language but at the same time wants to start a movement to destroy technological society. Such a movement would require tight communication and the reading of Ted’s works. This is a glaring inconsistency in his thought imo.

>>18230452
The ends justify the means.

>>18230452
Its not if you read it which you have clearly have not.
He talk about all of that. Why did you need to strawman something that you haven't read. Keep you uneducated opinions to yourself bugman
>fuck off bugman

>>18230230
>>18230333
He was just AGP. Tons of men are.

>>18230452
That sounds like a shitty moralization. Ted wants a small group of dedicated elite spec ops to ruin civilization for everyone else, of course the zealots would then abandon the technology because they are zealots.

Either that, or they would become brotherhood of steel, hoarding tech and hunting down all the normies who had idea to knap themselves a spear.

>>18230478
This >>18230419 is completely subjective lol. For me, enjoyment of art is fulfilling. I love classical music made possible by complex instrument craftsmanship, i.e. technology.

What I was really getting at here >>18230452 is the impossibility of Ted’s thought. He is anti culture, anti linguistification, anti rationality, but in creating an argument against these things he is engaging in them. Escape from them isn’t possible.

>>18230583
This
>>18230583

You are still doing a strawman, and I can't be bothered to find a pdf version and copy past the things you didn't read.

Quote Ted then, what did he really say (not in your own words)


just read it, I'm not gonna explain an essay for you if you could just read it yourself, or do you want me read it out loud for you?
> bugchild

>>18230617me
Ops
This >>18230489

>>18230583
It's such a short manifesto, just read it.

Should take you less than an hour unless you're studying it.

>>18230617
>>18230633
I read it six months ago. Ted’s project consists of him attempting to explain why human development beyond the tribe was a mistake. I consider his project a failure because he is unable to dismantle the language and rationality that gave rise to civilization. Language and rationality are what thought is. You can’t refute them because the act of refutation is them.

>>18230169
You could say the same thing sur le Marquis de Sade.

>>18230583
Duh, what is the problem with self-contradiction? it even exists in physics

>>18230716
>Ted’s project consists of him attempting to explain why human development beyond the tribe was a mistake
Industrial society =/= human development beyond the tribe
Its still a strawman, you clearly didn't understand it then.

Quote Ted word by word instead of projecting your distorted views of what you think he said onto poor ted

Unrelated but
But a case can be made for going back to pre-agriculture but you have never read or heard that argument either

Lorax quote
>My name's Ted Wiggins, and I speak for the trees! The thing is that things aren't perfect in Thneedville and they’re only gonna get worse unless we do something about it!

>>18230790 me
He explained why that the view primitivism can and always will fail and how he have come to reject it
He's not a primitivism
He's a Anarcho nihilist
You would know its the first thing he talks about in a manifesto called
>the industrial society and its future
And
>stop lying about reading something you didn't

>>18230757
It’s nonsensical
>>18230790
He’s against more than just industrial society. He’d also oppose a state like Sumer, the first high civilization.

>>18230830
I dont think he's ever rejected primitivism, he's just rejected the idealistic and egalitarian notion of it held by leftists or whoever
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-truth-about-primitive-life-a-critique-of-anarchoprimitivism

>>18230716
Why does he have to refute language and rationality? The fuck you on about nigga

>>18230830
Where does he say he’s a nihilist?

>>18230866
They’re outside the “power process”. And everything outside the power process he considers a worthless distraction.

>>18230860
He tried the whole primitivism thing but industrial society threaten the primitivism life and that turned him Anarcho nihilist
>>18230877
>Not understanding Anarcho nihilist
He didn't, I did
Give 5 min and I Will read that prison essay

>>18230911
>He tried the whole primitivism thing but industrial society threaten the primitivism life and that turned him Anarcho nihilist
I think what you're trying to say that he doesn't believe in being able practise primitivism in tandem with an industrial society, because industrial society necessarily occupies wherever it can. I think one of the big motivations for his actions where his frustrations with technology directly effecting his life in the woods, like construction, loud machinery etc.

>>18230860
It just looks like purely a critic of anarchoprimitivists.
Could you past the part that says all the stuff you have claimed so far

>>18230218
Not everyone is fit to create good works. For those who are not, they would do better to specialize

>>18230911
>He didn't, I did
I think you’re wrong. He was a primitivist, but also actively anti-tech. He never espouses nihilism, at least not in the manifesto.

>>18230932
You still missed the his anecdote about see nature disappearing year after year, slowly killing any hope of primitive life and if you believe in natural-state (locke) any threat on one's liberty justify murder and war

Anarchonihilist is someone that see a problem in the current system and try to destroy it without a model for a new system to come after

>>18230944
No i havent read it in ages that was just my recollection of it
But section 3,4,5 talks about gender equality

>>18230982
Then i would say that's probably a fair way to label him then

>>18230982
Out of curiosity, what country are you from?

>>18230953
Explain Anarchonihilism then and tell me why he's not just that
Ted could have said he was a deer but by what he believed and did (pointless terror) would make him an anarchonihilism
But that's just my opinion

>>18230994
Poland

>>18230996
I suppose Ted would qualify as an “anarchonihilist” if he were indifferent as to what happens after the anti-tech revolution. He’s not indifferent tho. He wants primitivism. That’s why he’s labeled an anprim.

>>18230230
He already said that wasn't true

>>18231017
I can't quote it exactly
The problem with technology is its duality, all technology have a good side and a bad side. You can never have one without the other
>nuclear energy - nuclear weapons
>tools - weapons
Etc
And in the end nothing really got better.
Getting a place to live
>today 10+years of work if paid for or the rest of your life if renting
>500 years ago maybe a year if you didn't just got what you parents had
>2500 years ago 5min or maybe a week

>>18231071 me
My opinion
Primitivism can not function unless everybody reject technology or as a sup system under a bigger system that can protect and justify it
>anprim are trads like most "an" prefix are
>anarchonihilist the only based anarchism around which I 100% endorses

>>18230169
>9,509 BC
>some guy drops dead while plowing his field
>local Shaman peels backs his eyelids and checks his tongue
>"poisoned. golden dart frog i think. ooga ooga."
>2 weeks laters
>people in surrounding villages start dying in similar fashion
>one day chieftain receives a bunch of bones with carvings on it
>carvings says he wants the chieftain to read his essay "Disastrous Effects of the Neolithic Revolution on Caveman Society" to the villagers at the evening bonfire or he will continue poisoning people
>calls field sowing a surrogate activity for hunting/gathering

>>18231017
The anprim claimed him yes but I do believe that that he understood its flaws and where closer to Amish the whole industrial society is what he rejected

>>18231123 me
He would have called he's main work
>all society and its future
If he where anprim

>>18230419
I agree. This is a good way to filter out casuals and incels who only look to self improve and learn science because they're sexually frustrated losers who have nothing else going for them.

Here's the perfect society. People with an IQ over 120 (ie those who have a chance at being productive in STEM) should each be assigned 10-20 beautiful females as sexual partners. If they still wish to pursue STEM after having all the sex they want, that means science is not a surrogate activity for them and they have what it takes to become a scientist.

>>18231138 me
And I nearly forgot but he didn't reject any technology that could be made with a factory or lab. He said that its okay then

>>18231199
could
>made without

>>18231158
underage retard spotted

>>18230452
>Ted says people would be better off leaving behind the internet, books, even language
>'Just trust me it's better dood'

>>18230169
So should I read his stuff or not?

>>18231527
Might as well read the manifesto at least, it’s short. If you’re looking for a cool new meme ideology you can adopt to then shitpost on the internet about, start reading now. If not, you can still read it to get an understanding of one of the various ideological responses to our clown world.

>>18231613
>cool new meme ideology you can adopt
I'm not, does it still have any merit in today's world?

>>18231158
Everything people do is for sex, in the end. Checkmate incel.

>>18231119
Take your meds schizo

>>18230169
>Kaczynski
A naive idealist that people put too much stock into because he had some nice things to say about leftists. He nothing, but gain himself cheap notoriety.

>>18230218
What is the end-aim of art, philosophy or science? Are these not performed for the sake of human happiness?

>>18230379
What technical projects did he complete?

>>18230169
Y'all niggers saying this nigger is a smart man but that nigger his whole philosophical outlook is predicated on him not being smart enough to figure out that the evolutionary theory is a load of horseshit.

>>18231635
I didn’t find it very good at all tb h. Some of its basic critiques are fine. The real value I got from it was reverse engineering the anprim ideology. I do the same when I try to understand modern “nazis” or “leftists” like vaush. These all exist in the complex media ecology of the internet, a simulation experimented upon by think tank social scientists. I find it useful to understand how this thing functions.

>>18231651
That you Freud?

>>18230198
At least he doesn't have to dilate now.

>>18230169
In the 1700s or whatever just writing something could have an impact and actually amount to 'doing' something useful

In the information age just writing something is completely worthless unless backed up with action. Hence why Ted felt violence was necessary, to make the work have impact and be notorious, so it would only appeal to those in the fringes who might actually act on it instead of just reading it

>>18231789
Kek

>>18230169
cia idpol diversion

>>18230419
What's his opinion, if any, on specialization/division of labor?
It's been known since Adam Smith (hell, even Plato mentioned it) that it's more efficient if everyone does one specialized thing and trade with each other than if each person tries to do everything for himself. In Ted's world, he would spend more effort and time just to see his food grow, and it'd be much more repetitive and boring than being a marine biologist

>>18232066
>Hence why Ted felt violence was necessary
And what has it resulted in? Nothing. His legacy is internet meme edits. The system absorbed him neatly. If an anti-tech horde dismantles society tomorrow I’ll eat my words, but any event like that ever occurring seems incredibly slim.

>>18232125
Cucked and Cucked.
I love how left is now fighting a civil war over the insane intersectionality and the outdated class-warfare.

Collectievist BTFO.

>>18231684
>he doesn't know

>>18230218 has no answer to >>18231675

>>18231675
Neither art, nor science or philosophy can make a person happy. The comfort of living or the betterment of the morals, maybe. But this is not happiness.
From a standpoint of an individual, these pursuits are gratifying on their own. Novelist writes novels because he can, because he feels the capacity in himself to create somithing of his own design. And he feels endebted to himself to expand this capacity to the fullest extent. Most artists don't know why they create, they don't think about the end-aim, for them simply doing is enough. The sole being of art and objects of art is a purpose in itself.

>>18230169
>implying bombing the right people isn't necessary for survival for the human race at large

>>18230169
I know it's not funny because random innocent people were hurt but the thought that he could just mail bombs to people to get a publishing deal is hilarious. Like a Newgrounds edgelord version of Ignatius Reilly.

>>18231658
Google Schizophrenia retard

>>18232176
I don't know if/what he talked about division/specialization.
However, about
>He would spend more effort and time just to see his food grow, and it'd be much more repetitive and boring than being a marine biologist
He actually talks (not about cultivating food, but about satisfying biological needs,) in "The Truth About Primitive Life"

>Hunter-gatherer's work is often monotonous, but it is my view that monotony generally causes primitive people relatively little discomfort.
>Boredom, I think, is largely a civilized phenomenon and is a product of psychological stresses that are characteristic of civilized life.

However, he recognizes that it's a matter of personal opinion and he can't prove that (hence the "in my view" and the "I think"), but concludes this specific paragraph by saying that:

>My opinion is based largely on my own experience of living outside the technoindustrial system.

Considering that Ted was by no means an ordinary man and nor did he have an ordinary mind, I think it's safe to say that we can't really know if it would be boring to, say, a normal guy or an average citizen of a developed country.

I read these threads and tears roll down my face. I think I'm close to the end guys.

>>18231119
>"Disastrous Effects of the Neolithic Revolution on Caveman Society"

sounds based AF

>>18235677
>Sharp Rock and Sharp Rock on Stick Terrible Thing For Grug Tribe

>>18235668
What’s wrong bro

>>18232555
Then what makes them so great? What makes them so superior to the primitive power process?

>>18236090
Primitive power process demands almost no intellectual effort. By fulfilling it, you create nothing new but only follow the steps of your ancestors and do what your nature tells you to do. It's basicly living like an animal.
Surrogate creative activitiy requires intellectual effort. By fulfilling it, you create new things that are not intrinsic to your nature. And in this creativity, which is rewarding in itself by occupying all your mental capacities, you also get renumerated by your fellow humans in terms of glory and high societal status.

some of the issues he points out are undeniable, but his solutions are pointless and delusional. i don't think there's a proper fix to any of them anyway.

>>18236308
>his solutions are pointless and delusional.
>i don't think there's a proper fix to any of them anyway
retards like you are not the target audience
filtered

>>18236308
THE AIM OF DR KACZYNSKI'S ANTI-TECH REVOLUTION IS TO GIVE HUMANITY A TEMPORARY RESPITE FROM THE ILLS OF INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY SO THAT A BETTER WAY OF INTEGRATING INDUSTRIALIZATION IN OUR LIVES CAN BE THOUGHT. WHAT IS IT ABOUT IT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND???

>>18236333
>A BETTER WAY OF INTEGRATING INDUSTRIALIZATION IN OUR LIVES CAN BE THOUGHT
what the fuck are you talking about you spastic

>>18236341
well it's not like people won't industrialize again
it's just this time it will happen sparingly or covertly

>>18236320
yeah, blow shit up, an enlightened solution. the first part of the manifesto is accurate, the second is just a mindless drivel about destroying the system, coping with the millions of dead people, and then just hoping that shit will work this time around. he knows his solution is laughable at best. it's revolution without a blueprint, much in the vein of the leftist mentality he criticizes. destroying is a pointless and empty activity if you are clueless about the next step.
>>18236391
>this time things will work out fine, just see bro
said every idiotic revolutionist

>>18236157
What purpose does this creativity serve then other than occupation of energy as a surrogate activity and social renumeration? You still haven't explained why these arts mean anything beyond existing for the sake of an artist's lack of anything else to do. After all I thought we've already established that the primitive power process is more indicative to self fulfilment, so what do these arts provide that can overide that and make it something that is actually beneficial overall to pursue. Just because it takes intellectual effort doesnt mean it's worth pursuing.

>>18236157
Not him, but I don't think that Ted opposed beauty. Art in the modern sense often gets separated from the "primitive" needs and actions but I do not think that the concept of art is a good one. For example, I consider architecture to be very distinct from painting or sculpting. A painting or a sculpture invokes memories/feelings which can modify a person's world view and motivation in a certain way. Architecture does the same, but it is also there for beauty, which a person understands based on his ancestral memories and local habitat. I do not consciously enjoy looking at a building to experience its beauty, but I experience the beauty of a pretty town in the same way I experience the beauty of a boreal forest or alpine meadow, It happens on a deep, subconscious level. Architecture, however, does not give me any feelings other than calm, induced by beauty, or anxiousness, induced by lack of beauty. A painting on the other hand is beautiful, but I do not experience it in tbe same way as architecture. The feelings are more superficial, not in a bad sense. A painting of battle inspires the warrior spirit, a painting of manless nature, a traveller spirit etc. With sculptures it is similar, but the feelings come from experiencing the archetypes of the people sculpted, reading their physiognomy and making judgements.

I think Ted meant it in this sense that these activities are surrogates. I played Red Dead Redemption 2. At some point, I thought, travelling and camping is so awe-inspiring and calming here, how much better would it be in real life doing the real thing and truly it is better. Surrogate activities are not bad as long as one acknowledges them for what they are, but they must be overcome.

>>18236413
read anti tech revolution dumb nigger

>>18236391
>well it's not like people won't industrialize again
with the damage done to the enviroment and with how scarce and difficult to extract some basic resources such as coal and oil are now compared to the beginning of industrial revolution doing it all over again will probably be impossible, even if the knowlege of how to do it gets preserved

>>18230452
retarded retarded retarded

>>18236413
>revolution without a blueprint
he wants to plan a revolution lmao
read anti tech revolution Chapter One. The Development of a Society Can Never Be Subject to Rational Human Control
>destroying is a pointless and empty activity if you are clueless about the next step
next step is going back to living like we have for the entire history of our species save the last couple thousand years
and you wont have to convince anyone to do that, once the industrial society collapses that way of living will be the only way possible

>>18230288

He fucked dogs to death with a knife and a gun. He attacked actual homesteaders. lol

>>18236718
>He fucked dogs to death with a knife and a gun. He attacked actual homesteaders. lol

Just straight up not true.

>>18231684
he built bombs

>>18236718
someone has to sterilize those rabid street dogs

>>18236437
human ingenuity finds a way but because of those factors it probably won't be as grand

>>18230169
Philosophy for teens.

>>18236439
yes, you’re retarded

>>18230198
fake as fuck CIA psyop to smear him lol

>>18230218
What the fuck does all that “art, philosophy, and science” exist for if not to somehow make us happier? If they don’t do that, get rid of them.

>>18230489
He even admits that some tech would survive/dominate and tries to delienate between different forms of tech.
I like the guy, but his logic was schitzo.

>>18231119
>Disastrous Effects of the Neolithic Revolution on Caveman Society
My diary

>>18231759
>M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
>O: Well! it CAN be!
>M: No it can't!
>M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
>O: No it isn't!

>>18236413
>destroying is a pointless and empty activity if you are clueless about the next step.
The goal is to return humans to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which is what happens if you destroy modern technology

>>18236690
Where did whoever make this get that Transhumanists are anti-capitalist? Every Transhumanist I know is all in on using markets to develop transhumanist tech - and once you have transhumanist tech, the modern conception of economic systems are irrelevant.

>>18237639
Transhumanism is possibly the worst idea in human history, comparable to “let’s all kill ourselves and eachother”, since it’s just a more complicated and horrifying way of doing that

>>18236690
Go back bunkertranny.

>>18237474
philosophy is philosophy for teens.

>>18236413
>coping with the millions of dead people
this is honest and straightforward, by rejecting humanism outright he's already more forward than any other revolutionary out there.

>>18237633
>The goal is to return humans to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle
No it isn't.
>which is what happens if you destroy modern technology
Modern technology does not mean all technology.

ted bombing people and writing a manifesto was a surrogate activity.

>>18236690
seethe troon

>>18237958
Teens is philosophy for philosophers teens. Think about it.

>>18234112
>Ted was by no means an ordinary man
>nor did he have an ordinary mind
you scared the shit outta me anon, I had to make sure Uncle Ted didn't get rona'd or anything, phew

>>18230452
Existence will often force you to violate your own principles. This is intentional.

>N-NOOOO, I'm a loser who cant adapt to modern environment
>Heh, i know how to cope with my obvious inferiority - i will blame "industrial society"
>I am totally not like leftists who i also criticize
ADAPT OR DIE INCELS.
You are no better than whining trannies if you want to blame "da system"

>>18238680
That’s an indication your principles are wrong.

Cuckchinsky is coping academia subhuman, lol, he was born and raised in sheltered suburbia, theoreticized some bullshit about primitive life which he never witnessed firsthand but learned from the books like the good bespectacled incel and built nigger tier shack to illustrate his "point" lol - all becouse of galaxy size seething from getting dubbed on by uni Stacies.
Hey, but at least he can experience primal lifestyle in prison from getting anally penetrated by inmates, heh.

>>18230169
When I was depressed and lazy I resonated a lot with his idealistic fantasies of a new society. But it’s not impossible to improve yourself physically, mentally, socially, spiritually. There’s no point in complaining, anyway. You must adapt or become weaker and weaker. I have faith that the future will be good. Time completes all things and perfects all things. Let us live in this society and its differences from the past and future and embrace it for all its perfection. But let us also seek health, and that must include being aware of the many poisons created by this society.

>>18230452
you sound like a girl

>>18238933
cope

>>18230169
People have a basic need for struggle. I would actually argue surrogate activities can be good, but often times people adopt socially-destructive, self-harming ones out of an emotional need. Hence why it’s hard to break people out of those activities: they’ve addicted themselves to the emotional highs of fighting perceived struggles.

>>18238714
Why would anyone make a post like this?

>>18239214
Because he didn’t like his Christmas present from Uncle Ted.

>>18236420
>What purpose does this creativity serve then other than occupation of energy as a surrogate activity and social renumeration?
The creation of new and unique things and ideas.
>You still haven't explained why these arts mean anything beyond existing for the sake of an artist's lack of anything else to do.
It's exactly the opposite. An artist always has other things to do. But he chooses to sacrifice all other possible activities in favor of creativity because he feels the capacity in himself to do it. Why bother writing a complicated novel when you can simply go to an 8-hour job and forget about it? Why do something which is hard and only you can do when you can do something which is easy and everyone can do? Simply because of that: because only you can do it.
>After all I thought we've already established that the primitive power process is more indicative to self fulfilment,
I would say that power process leads to an easier, and therefore less potent, self-fulfillment. You can live your life being an honest cop or hard-working clerk or being a damn good specialist in your field. You can find comfort in that. But it bears no comparison with fulfilling yourself as an artist.

>>18239214
Because he's a passive-aggressive NPC, closeted full goy-slave Leftist, who fetishizes comfort and safety above all else. He hates uncle Ted because he knows Ted's right to a great extant but he is fearful someone might take away his tendies and cuck porn.

>>18230198
They literally tried to brainwash him at Harvard. Of course he's confused about his sex.

>The creation of new and unique things
and ideas.
Again, another non answer. What do these ideas do for us that overrides the overwhelming benefits of the primitive power process. You've already admitted that they do not exist for the purpose of human happiness, and they primarily exist to satisfy the power process of the artist. so why is it worth sacrificing so much for them.
>It's exactly the opposite. An artist always has other things to do. But he chooses to sacrifice all other possible activities in favor of creativity because he feels the capacity in himself to do it. Why bother writing a complicated novel when you can simply go to an 8-hour job and forget about it? Why do something which is hard and only you can do when you can do something which is easy and everyone can do? Simply because of that: because only you can do it
Again you fail to tell me what purpose these arts serve outside the fulfillment of the artist.
>I would say that power process leads to an easier, and therefore less potent, self-fulfillment. You can live your life being an honest cop or hard-working clerk or being a damn good specialist in your field. You can find comfort in that. But it bears no comparison with fulfilling yourself as an artist.
At this point I'm starting to doubt you actually read the essay. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your statement but cops, clerks and specialists are not examples of the primitive power process. I don't understand what point you're trying to make here as all those occupations including artist are surrogate activities. Please read the essay or of you already have read it again because it's clear you didn't comprehend a thing.

>>18239357
Forgot to give (you) the (you)
>>18241180

I see that the commies managed to push their little spyop on Ted K because he saw the dangers of leftism.
There was this sudden shift in attitude as if a certain group of people were doing this in a coordinated way. That sex transition thing that of course never happened is just the perfect smear, and ironically the trannies are completely on board with this society's end game. Tu quoque, Ted?

>>18241234
yeah i dont think leftists care about some loonatic

>>18241257
sure they don't, eh comrade?

>>18236690
How are transhumanists not just another death cult in the making?
>knows that human consciousness, which emerged by accident from the chaos of nature, is the most precious and important thing in the entire universe. *All else is subordinated to the reproduction of human society*
>Pitilessly obliterated all biological life
This is where I go from disliking to feeling intense disgust for them, they're just Capitalist Consoomers who see no value in life beyond some vague sense of Human existence; They legitimately hate all life outside of themselves, and in their utopia would rather kill it if it would 'further' human society 0.002% more rather than protecting the only place we know has life.

>>18241313
people are raised nowadays surrounded with technogoly from birth and worshipping astronauts and shit like that like heros
technology for them is everpresent and they rely with their lives upon it, while nature is some abstract concept that is completly irrelevant to them and seperate from their lives
my father is 45 years old and he cant tell spruce from pine nor does he care about it. The only contact he has with nature is when deer runs across the road and he has to dodge it, nature is an annoyance to him. And zoomers are far worse than that

>>18241801
>>18241313
I think the point of the zoomerphone generation is that giving up any technology and getting off the speeding starship is about as viable as giving up oxygen. It's becoming harder and harder to live without technology, and not only technology but the LATEST and BEST technology. You cannot just be on any social media, you have to be on the new hot social media, embrace the latest trends, always be up to date, always do the latest thing, always do the video that everyone's doing, say the meme that everyone's saying. If a company switches from a software to another you just do that or you're fucked, if your school wants you to use Zoom you just do that or you're fucked. You can protest technically but it won't do shit, actually it will make you look like a weirdo because you're not just passively going with the program.
It's absolutely funny how our society is totally full of based rebels who are cray cray and go their own way but something as stupid as not being on the most popular messenger in your country but asking instead to be contacted via a different app makes you INSANE WEIRD AND CRINGE, regardless of the fact that these people have 200 shitty chinese spyware apps they forgot about on their phone but those are recommended by the play store so that's OK.

>>18242213
>I think the point of the zoomerphone generation is that giving up any technology and getting off the speeding starship is about as viable as giving up oxygen.
Zoomer here. I wouldn’t if I could. I recognize though, that I don’t “need” a phone in the same way I need air. Imho the way to prevent the phenomenon of lefty activists Uncle Ted talked about isn’t primitivism. It would be finding some sort of other, socially constructive outlet for the power process.

Also, read his “Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How”. It provides a good analysis of how revolutionary groups succeed or fail (he even throws in a bit about how communism will always fail); he also expands on his argument that a society cannot be “rationally” planned out nor can everything be predicted.

>>18242382
*wouldn’t give up my phone if I could.

>>18242390
knock knock anon
are you excited that you got a message on clover/kuroba? :^)
did you feel that dopamine rush because I got you a (you)?
well here it is! you have a (you) you can take a moment to savor it
put the phone back in the pocket or put it back on the table
are there other people in the room? man you really loved that (you) if that's so
are you going to look at them like you didn't just check 4chan on your phone?
do they know what 4chan is?
no you're probably at home
in the dark
or maybe you're having a walk
but the phone is always there with the delicious (you)s

>>18242433
Kek thanks. I’m at the gym actually.

>>18242435
>not ogling delicious toned asses to read my (you)s
anon what the fuck are you doing
drop the phone and CHECK EM

>>18242474
Kek. Then again, can’t fap at the gym. Imagine just minding your business, doing your set, and then there’s some guy right next to you jerking off!

>>18241234
meds, take them

>>18241801
at least he lives somewhere with enough nature that a deer runs across a road
over here it's just endless urbanism

>>18230218
dumb consoomer

>>18242505
>and then there’s some guy right next to you jerking off!
that's the übermensch! you'd have to ask to be his disciple if you saw that
anon you have much to learn!

>>18242795
>anon you have much to learn!
True, I haven’t mastered every fap technique

Bump

>>18237663
>comparable to “let’s all kill ourselves and eachother”
This isn't a bad idea though

>>18241313
What's wrong with obliterating all life? There are quintillions of animals on earth, and most of them live terrible lives. Biosphere antinatalism/EFILism is the true red pill.

>>18243618
Then get off 4chan and off yourself coward

>>18230482
almost everyone is, including women

>>18230230
From the man himself

>>18243995
Notice how the Reddit-droids aren't here to respond to this after you've disproven the MK Ultra meme

>>18230169
Thought he was offering me Mali

>>18230716
Ted has never argued against language lol

Sounds more like you skimmed whatever you read from Ted once, engaged with some Zerzanite leftward-ish anprim or imagined some dumb anprim charicature, and then used that as the basis of your understanding of Ted.

Reminder that Ted is a self professed Libtard that is a "product of his environment" and not to be trusted on anything that goes outside his field.

Anti-tech revolution has it especially heinous when he handwaves Post-Weimar Germany out of pure spite, almost understandable if he didn't totally ignore Fascist Italy as well to instead focus his case study exclusively on wanking leninist/stalinist Russia.

Ted's personal disposition, his natural sensibilities and most deeply internalized beliefs and behaviours is that of the typical amerilard boomer.

>>18236690
Transhumanist are all trans and no human.

>>18244793
the hard truth many aren’t ready to hear

>>18244750
Language isn’t necessary for fulfilling survival needs. Therefore it’s outside the power process and considered by Ted a worthless distraction.

>>18230198
I bet you believe thats also the case about Hitler
do you retard ?