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>>18180313
>There are, furthermore, numerous Hermetic elements in Hegel’s writings. These include, in broad strokes, a Masonic subtext of “initiation mysticism” in the Phenomenology of Spirit; a Boehmean subtext to the Phenomenology’s famous preface; a Kabbalistic-Boehmean-Lullian influence on the Logic; alchemical-Paracelsian elements in the Philosophy of Nature; an influence of Kabbalistic and Joachimite millennialism on Hegel’s doctrine of Objective Spirit and theory of world history; alchemical and Rosicrucian images in the Philosophy of Right; an influence of the Hermetic tradition of pansophia on the system as a whole; an endorsement of the Hermetic belief in philosophia perennis; and the use of perennial Hermetic symbolic forms (such as the triangle, the circle, and the square) as structural, architectonic devices.

>Hegel’s library included Hermetic writings by Agrippa, Boehme, Bruno, and Paracelsus. He read widely on Mesmerism, psychic phenomenal dowsing, precognition, and sorcery. He publicly associated himself with known occultists, like Franz von Baader. He structured his philosophy in a manner identical to the Hermetic use of ‘Correspondences!’ He relied on histories of thought that discussed Hermes Trismegistus, Pico della Mirandola, Robert Fludd, and Knorr von Rosenroth alongside Plato, Galileo, Descartes, and Newton. He stated in his lectures more than once that the term “speculative” means the same thing as “mystical.” He believed in an “Earth Spirit” and corresponded with colleagues about the nature of magic. He aligned himself, informally, with “Hermetic” societies such as the Freemasons and the Rosicrucians. Even Hegel’s doodles were Hermetic, as we shall see in chapter 3 when I discuss the mysterious “triangle diagram”.

I've read Plato, most of the Gnostics texts and surviving Cathar ones, and some on Kabbalah, although more scholarly overviews than actual practice.

Am I ready for this high sorcerer?

Hegel was the literal devil. So yes. More sorcerer than magician, but yes.

>>18180313
Freemasonry is widely known to be influenced by certain aspects of Hermeticism, and Hegel is is known to have been in contact with Freemasons. Freemasonry is not an authentic Hermetic organization, Hegel is not an authentic Hermetic philosopher. At best, he has merely expanded upon the Hermetic basis (which is extremely weak at that) of Freemasonry.

>>18180313
No, he was not a mystic(which is what the non faggot retards who want to make this claim call him) nor a "magician"(which is what the faggot retards call him.)

>was hegel a magician
>look he was well versed in the hermetic tradition and neoplatonism
literally everyone was well versed in the people you cite, it only seems interesting when you draw uneducated schizo connections in things you have a shallow knowledge of

>>18180313
What's with Hermeticism and genius. Jung was super into this shit and so was Newton. Is it real?

>>18180452
It's kino

>>18180452
>is it real?
Yes. Start with Ibn Arabi's Journey to the Lord of Power than proceed with the Hermeticists, Platonists, Sufis, Indians, Kabbalists, Absolute Idealists and Christian Mystics

>>18180452
Yes.

But Hegel us more systematic, as is Plato, who is necissary background. You need to understand Piercean tripartite semiotics too.

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>>18180313
Where to start with Boehme?

Hegel was the exact opposite of people who try to mysticise philosophy

>>18181519
Clavis, Threefold Life, 40 Questions, Aurora in that order.

>>18180313
>I do not argue merely that we can understand Hegel as a Hermetic thinker, just as we can understand him as a German or a Swabian or an idealist thinker. Instead, I argue that we must understand Hegel as a Hermetic thinker, if we are to truly understand him at all.
KEK

>was hegel a mystic?

Absolutely. Was he a good philosopher? Absolutely not

>>18180313
Is there anything to actually learn from hermeticism in the modern age? What are some interesting concepts and ideas?

>>18183061
No he was not a mystic. You either haven't read hegel or you got filtered.

>>18182721
He literally refers to himself as a mystic, anon.

>>18180313
The claims you've mentioned are not disputed at all. As Magee pointed out, Hegel talked about all those authors in his lecturs (calling Eckhart "the first great philosopher" and dedicating entire sections to both Bohmë and Bruno - the latter takes more pages than all the British philosophers combined, including Hobbes, Locke and Hume).
Moreover, I don't think these influences are shocking to anyone even if you ignore all the direct mentions of these authors. Check pic related, where Bohmë basically talk about the contents of Fichte's Doctrine of Science; or the striking correspondence between Nicolaus of Cusa's first book of De Docta Ignorantia and Schelling's concept of absolute identity. These influences were not hidden to anyone, nor where anything out of the ordinary before this period (think of the resemblance between Cusa's second book of De Docta Ignorantia - I'm mainly thinking about his concept of "contracted maxim", in which everything is in everything else - and Leibniz' monadology - and we know for a fact that Leibniz studied Nicolaus of Cusa carefully).

Unfortunately in a time of analytic anti-metaphysical readings of the German Idealists these very evident facts have to be spelled out, and for this Magee is to be praised. That said I think he jumps the shark once he starts tying these influences to occult interests. Magic finds no place in any of the German Idealists' works, nor does the kind of theogonic mysticism that Magee has in mind. This is true especially in Hegel's case, who places these forms of mysticism in the lower ranks of his philosophy of religion (which is also why we found occult texts in Hegel's library: he was just researching primary sources for his lectures)

>>18183541
He was just being edgy, to him being a mystic was the same thing as engaging in speculative philosophy. This does not mean that he was trying to conjure demons in his basement, or other dumb shit like that

>>18180330
I learned recently that free masons have a 'great work' and its nothing like the great work of philosophers.

>>18184748
what? a reasonable post on /lit/?
Cum on me my dude

>>18184748
Forgot pic related

>>18184758
>be hegel
>have friends who are mystics
>call myself a mystic
>engage intensively with other thinkers who call themselves mystics
>praise other mystics constantly
>lecture on the existence of god

>200 years later
>"he was just being edgy!" - some fucker who either hasn't read him or is mentally retarded, probably both.

I'm sure you're correct, anon :)

>>18183061
who are you to make that judgement?

>>18184949
Have you tried considering the actual content of his philosophy? Where is the mysticism in it?
>>lecture on the existence of god
This is not a mystic position, and he did not argue this position with mystic insights (instead he resorted to rational and conceptual argumentation)

>>18185015
not that guy but I think the problem here is you you're conflating mysticism with like black magic which i don't exactly blame you for since the actual definition for mysticism is spotty. basically any experience with the ineffable counts as some sort of mysticism, like meditation

>>18185040
>not that guy but I think the problem here is you you're conflating mysticism with like black magic
Magee, who is the author referenced in the OP, make, avoids this distinction, and actually argues that Hegel was an occultist (that's why I mentioned conjuring demons in one's basement in a previous post).
That said, I still don't see the mysticism in Hegel's philosophy. Meditation is not a practice accepted by Hegel either, who, in fact, rejects all mystical insights of this sort, including religious ones. Absolute Knowledge is conceptual, and Being is Thought, which is to say that for Hegel there is not a single item of knowledge that is not conceptual in nature, nor is there any being that is beyond conceptual explanation. He quite literally thinks that if your philosophy is grounded on any non-conceptual and non-traditional insight, then it is bunk (this includes not only mystical and religious insights, but also intellectual intuitions a la Fichye and Schelling).

Do we know what Hegel was like as a person? I once read that he was a rather quaint and quiet man who could talk forever once prompted to. I read an anecdote about Goethe's daughters not understanding a word of what he was saying while he calmly talked throughout an entire evening when invited for dinner at Goethe's residence. Don't know where I read that, though

>>18185217
daughter-in-law*

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>>18185217
>Do we know what Hegel was like as a person?
Hegel was a piece of shit know it all redditor and wanted to have a career by larping as an intellectual while not being viewed as a has-been christian scholar, so Heglel had to find a way to get people believe that his work is ''verifiable'' like a scientific work and he hopped in the rationalist train. A common trait of the atheists is to idolize lawyers, they think they are elite because they squeak a few random latin words in, so he became one and was acclaimed by other lawyer drones.
The best way to do this is by being an atheist, ie a guy who is obsessed with the atheist society and crams as much logic and rationalism into this atheist narcissitic analysis of the society. Heglel is the Deleuze of the french revolution. He is horrendous.

Don't forget that this piece of shit of heglel literally wanted a new religion which was popular and rational. The asshole literally said this. Like any franc mason bugman from the revolution, he was very antichristian, something very helpful to have a career, and he just swapped the one true god for the god of reason. Pure room temperature IQ. And people loved him for this. Muh I saw Napoleon today, look at me! Hegel would have made an insta story with this.

Hegel the piece shit physicist literally said there can't be any more planets that was discovered at the time. This is the power of the atheist who fucking loves science and yet suck at it. He was proven wrong and never touched maths and science ever again. Literally BTFO by a planet. FUCKING REKT. He never recovered. He knew he was a fraud who would never be seen as a scientist if his audience was educated, so he went full guru voodoism in front of gullible bourgeois (read germans and females).

After this mental breakdown, he wanted to systematize all this shallow hype of french revolution through the rationalist ultimate goal of unifying intellectual spooks and other dichotomies, and of course he completely fails. His whole oeuvre is a pile of bulky books full of jargon and word salads moving the goal posts all the fucking time. He was Lacan, Foucault and Derrida put together and deluding himself he was kant's true heir.
Now wonder a jew neet like Marx who fucking loves materialism and yet gets triggered by derivatives idolized this piece of shit. 100 years later all you get is this narcissistic crap about dialectical materialism and all marxists as their sole defense claiming that Marxism works but it has never been tried. ha yes very scientific, assholes.

Heglel is r8ddit. He is a pure product of the french revolution and the deification of the allegedly rationalist public servants. Heglel proves that Atheism is narcissism and sterile intellectualism which was created only to include the atheist scholars in the ruling class, instead of the priests.

>>18185199
>Hegel was an occultist
I think thats more accurate than mystic, but LESS relevant to black magic and demons. Occult just means hidden or secret knowledge.

>>18186092
>Heglel is the Deleuze of the french revolution. He is horrendous.
LMAO

>>18186092
Only good part of this pasta is the planet part.

>>18185217
He was very nice, he helped Schopie get into a university after which Schopie hated him.

>>18180313
What is this from? Is this one of that schizo’s posts?

>>18186092
This was awesome

Philosophy has always been a bit occult

>>18186530
No

>>18180313
>Eckhart, Bruno, Paracelsus, and Boehme
>Hermetic thinkers
dropped

>>18186092
Imagine screeching that there is no redeeming qualities from the most ambitious and brilliant philosopher since Plato and Aristotle.

Hegel might be second to only Plato you pleb. He is also essential to understanding higher works, such as the Zohar, Kabbalah, Gnostic Ogdoad, Neon Genesis Evangelion, or Chrono Cross.

>>18180452
Hermes Trismegistus is the father of philosophy. He is also a god.

>>18185015
>Have you tried considering the actual content of his philosophy? Where is the mysticism in it?
Dialectics is the hermetic principle of polarity.

>>18186092
Do you understand that the french revolution was the result of the historical development of productive forces, in the form of Capitalism? The necessity to reform the political State, so that it can be more in phase with the stage of development in production?
Of course you don't. Because you think it's a masonic plot. Does the masonic plot make history, or does history make the masonic plot?
I mean, it took me 3 weeks after i someone explained this to me to understand. If you don't understand this after many years of many of us repeating it, you are the room temperature IQ.

>>18185217
>>18186502
> He was very nice, he helped Schopie get into a university after which Schopie hated him.
Wrong. Schopie was shitting on Hegel because students would attend Hegel but none made it to Schopie
>Uncle Copenhauer chimps out
>Uni decides to throw him out
>Hegel vetos to keep Schopenhauer
Such a Chad was Hegel
I remember reading they made up later in life and had some mutual respect for each other

>>18187598
>the Illuminati was established by Weishaupt, who actively saught the overthrow of the monarchy
>his organisation had thousands of grand lodges throughout France
>all the members of the Constituent Assembly were initiated into them
uhh but you see it was just capitalism and the changing times

>>18188022
this

read Koselleck

>>18188022
Jesus i know about this since at least 12 years.
In very short terms, very easy to understand, let me explain:
Capitalism, money, commodity, push forward the illuminati. Not the other way around.
You don't have illuminati in primitive tribes in the rainforest. Nor in pygmy people.
You are trapped into causality reversal.
Also Weishaupt is not even real illuminati, but only a fake.
Illuminati goes way back to mystery schools in ancient egypt.

>>18186108
No, he wasn’t a mystic. Mystics believe in a transcendent force governing reality that humans can access through intuition. The force is a “mystery” that cannot be comprehended but nonetheless functions a certain way. This is opposite to Hegel’s system, he thinks that everything can be rationally understood. His interest in mystics lies in their engagement with the absolute. He outlines how they gradually gain more knowledge of the absolute, but shows how their knowledge is incomplete. What his system does is dissolve the mystery in mysticism.

>>18180319
No. You will not understand Hegel without a background in Kant's philosophy.

>>18183541
Its a metaphor. He constantly criticizes people who try to do philosophy as a "rapturous haziness" and wants to treat it as a science

>>18180313
hegel was trans n shiet

>>18180313
Anons, is Hegel really that great. Could I spend my time better reading someone else. I heard a lot of mixed voices on him.

>>18189325
cringe

>>18188774
>No, he wasn’t a mystic.
>What his system does is dissolve the mystery in mysticism.
Thats exactly why he is an occultist you dork. He exposed hidden knowledge.

>>18189249
You'll have to become a Hegel scholar (5+ years of study) if you want to understand him a little bit

Other thinkers like Kant or Heidegger are more accessible, but have just as much substance to their thought

>>18189459
No, historically speaking occultists have wanted to keep the mysteries secret.

>>18187978
>Wrong
How was I wrong? I said the same thing.
>I remember reading they made up later in life and had some mutual respect for each other
That's hard to believe. Hegel didn't really acknowledge Schopenhauer and Schopenhauer was a bitter cunt by his nature. But it would be nice if they did make up. Do you have any sources?

>>18187226
Based illiterate retard

>>18180313
no because it triggers normies
>>18189565
because hierophants don't exists hurrrrrrr

>>18189249
Unironically yes. It's not easy; everybody knows that he's difficult and most of those that say that haven't read him. You'll realize how truly difficult he is when you start reading him - it's far more that people will tell you, but it's not impossible, and it's damn worth it.
His prose is both impossibly convoluted (sometimes without really needing to be) and grandiosely beautiful (speaking of the tragic fate of consciousness, pain of knowing the death of God, "but God does not remain petrified and moribund; stones cry out and lift themselves up to spirit"...). You can destroy your sanity trying to truly understand him and reaching the heights of knowledge no man spoke of before or after, but you can also read him like you would or could read Finnegans Wake, but where words were actually meaningful, seeing how far a language can be pushed.
Nothing like Hegel came before or after him. He is by far the greatest philosopher (maybe not if your definition of a good philosopher is easy exposition of ideas, but he is if your definitions is about the process of reaching deepest truths (preface of Phenomenology talks about this)).

>>18188774
>What his system does is dissolve the mystery in mysticism.
Marx, had he lived longer, wanted to write a book on dialectics. Dissolving the mystery in Hegel.

>>18189249
He is absolutely amazing. I say this as someone who reads a lot of philosophy.

But don't feel you need to start with Phenomenology. He wrote it on a very tight deadline in one draft. Later Hegel is better anyhow.

>>18189249
You should read an explanatory book on the phenomenology of spirit and science of logic in addition. There a many and some of them are great.

>>18191106
There’s no “mystery” in Hegel. Everything in his system is rationally explainable.

>>18180561
Honestly this.
But also it's basically psychology wrapped in a layer of symbolism.

>>18183091
It is interesting from a scholarly perspective, and immense if you actualy pursue it spiritualy. Just gotta go through a metric fuckton of research and personal development to get anything out of it and not undergo the metaphysical equivalent of getting sucked into a wind turbine at high speeds.

>>18184748
>Bohmë

>>18189940
>references [...] to many leading figures and movements of the Hermetic tradition [...] particularly [...] Eckhart, Bruno, Paracelsus, and Boehme.
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>>18186078
So what happens if we complete the system?

>>18193627
Yes?
>>18186108
Where's the secret knowledge in Hegel's system? How can there be secret knowledge if all knowledge is rational and conceptual?
>>18187573
There are similarities, but Hegel's philosophy is still not mystic, unless you're willing to talk about a mysticism that is completely devoid of mystical insights, and which is entirely built on rational and conceptual argumentation (and I think that would be silly)

>>18194007
>and which is entirely built on rational and conceptual argumentation (and I think that would be silly)
kek, that's the rationalist drivel. Protip, rationalism is just mental circus hyped by careerists

>>18194124
So people like Hegel?