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What books did he read?

>> No.18174566

>>18174552
The Idiots' Guide to Cause and Effect

>> No.18174573
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18174573

>>18174552
all of them

>> No.18174663

>>18174552
Bell Curve

>> No.18174695

>After graduating from Cambridge with a double first, and having won several classics prizes, including the Porson Prize and the Browne Medal, Powell stayed on at Trinity College as a fellow, spending much of his time studying ancient manuscripts in Latin and producing academic works in Greek and Welsh. In 1937, he was appointed Professor of Greek at the University of Sydney aged 25 (failing in his aim of beating Nietzsche's record of becoming a professor at 24). Among his students was future Prime Minister of Australia Gough Whitlam, who described his lectures as 'dry as dust'. He revised Stuart-Jones's edition of Thucydides' Historiae for the Oxford University Press in 1938, and his most lasting contribution to classical scholarship was his Lexicon to Herodotus, published the same year.
more lit than anyone on here

>> No.18174699

>>18174552
A lot of Greek literature, Nietzsche in his youth, he liked Camões enough to teach himself Portuguese. He really liked Shakespeare too, though he thought there was some conspiracy about his true identity.

>> No.18174721

>>18174695
So reading more makes one right wing?

>> No.18174728

>>18174699
What conspiracy, if you don't mind me asking?

>> No.18175284

>>18174728
From Wikipedia:
>Powell firmly believed that William Shakespeare of Stratford on Avon was not the writer of the plays and poems of Shakespeare. He appears on an episode of Frontline, "The Shakespeare Mystery," 19 April 1989, where he said, "My astonishment was to discover that these were the works of someone who'd 'been in the kitchen.' They are written by someone who has lived the life, who has been part of a life of politics and power, who knows what people feel when they are near to the centre of power. Near to the heat of the kitchen." He called the traditional biography a "Stratfordian fantasy."
He was a very smart and grounded man, right up until you got to his historical ideas. He had some strange ideas about the death of Christ too.

>> No.18175304

>>18174721
everyone was right wing until (neo)marxists took over unis

>> No.18175306

>>18174552
Dislike him. Writer of corncobby chronicles. To consider them masterpieces is an absurd delusion. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.

>> No.18175375
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Rivers of blood...

>> No.18175607

>>18174552
Reminder that the majority of Brits supported what he said

>> No.18175628

>>18174552
Mosty classical literature, history and politics.

>> No.18176120
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18176120

>>18175375
>Like the Roman, I seem to see my bathtub foaming with much suds

>> No.18177538

Backward travels our gaze, beyond the grenadiers and the philosophers of the 18th century, beyond the pikemen and the preachers of the 17th, back through the brash adventurous days of the first Elizabeth and the hard materialism of the Tudors and there at last we find them, or seem to find them, in many a village church, beneath the tall tracery of a perpendicular East window and the coffered ceiling of the chantry chapel.

From brass and stone, from line and effigy, their eyes look out at us, and we gaze into them, as if we would win some answer from their silence.”Tell us what it is that binds us together; show us the clue that leads through a thousand years; whisper to us the secret of this charmed life of England, that we in our time may know how to hold it fast”.

“What would they say”?

They would speak to us in our own English tongue, the tongue made for telling truth in, tuned already to songs that haunt the hearer like the sadness of spring. They would tell us of that marvellous land, so sweetly mixed of opposites in climate that all the seasons of the year appear there in their greatest perfection; of the fields amid which they built their halls, their cottages, their churches, and where the same blackthorn showered its petals upon them as upon us; they would tell us, surely of the rivers the hills and of the island coasts of England.

One thing above all they assuredly would not forget; Lancastrian or Yorkist, squire or lord, priest or layman; they would point to the kingship of England, and its emblems everywhere visible.

They would tell us too of a palace near the great city which the Romans built at a ford of the River Thames, to which men resorted out of all England to speak on behalf of their fellows, a thing called ‘Parliament’; and from that hall went out their fellows with fur trimmed gowns and strange caps on their heads, to judge the same judgments, and dispense the same justice, to all the people of England.

Symbol, yet source of power; person of flesh and blood, yet incarnation of an idea; the kingship would have seemed to them, as it seems to us, to express the qualities that are peculiarly England’s: the unity of England, effortless and unconstrained, which accepts the unlimited supremacy of Crown in Parliament so naturally as not to be aware of it; the homogeneity of England, so profound and embracing that the counties and the regions make it a hobby to discover their differences and assert their peculiarities; the continuity of England, which has brought this unity and this homogeneity about by the slow alchemy of centuries.

>> No.18177867

>>18174552
he liked greek books if I remember correctly

>> No.18177873

>>18176120
why does this photo exist?

>> No.18177879

>>18177867
I think he used to recite greek poems to friends when he was in the army or something along them lines

>> No.18177889

>>18174721
Reading the Greeks can often do that.

>> No.18177912

>>18177538
>so sweetly mixed of opposites in climate that all the seasons of the year appear there in their greatest perfection
>England

>> No.18177985

>>18177873
he had a deathly fear of the bath. took only one a week, forced screaming into it by his wife

>> No.18178169

>>18174552
Unironically the Greeks, Latins, Nietzsche and then the Bible.

An admirable man.

>> No.18178178

>>18175284
He makes a good point, I can't think of a brilliant writer who hasn't at least been close to those actions in real life which are directly reflected in fiction. Rarely are they crucial to those events, but they did get a taste.

>> No.18178184

>>18177985
Really? Give me a sauce.

>> No.18178208

Rate Powell's music selection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzWHsmEkbfI

>> No.18178836

>>18178208
I never understood how he was such a fan of Wagner, given how much he respected Nietzsche. It's a good selection though.

>> No.18178880

>>18178836
He converted to Christianity later in his life. But even still, Nietzsche himself never took his criticism of Wagner seriously, and it's been the same with many of his followers.

>> No.18178887

>>18174552
They were in English, I bet...

>> No.18178929

>>18178887
The man spoke 14 languages

>> No.18178973

>mfw lefties say there are no right wing intellectuals
>mfw

>> No.18179001

>>18174552
f

>> No.18179037

>>18174552
I miss him so much bros...

>> No.18179344

>>18174552
He wrote many commentaries on christian books and the bible as well as making his own translation out of the greek

>> No.18179385

>>18174699
>he liked Camões enough to teach himself Portuguese.
wow that's really cool. Makes me happy that he liked us enough

>> No.18179403

>>18178836
Nietzsche started as a huge Wagner fanboy (you could even say a Wagner disciple) and only pretended do dislike his music after they had a falling out.

>> No.18179418

>>18174552
Is there anyone like him in Britain today? or even the Anglo-sphere?

>> No.18179442

>>18174552
I really need to read more into windrush and immigration.

it seems crazy how such an unpopular policy was allowed to go through in such an overtly racist time. Particularly listening to Akala a popular lefty black guy talk on the issue its actually sad how fucked it was. Elites essentially shipped minorities from the colonies onto the mainland fully knowing how the populace would treat them. Which ended up with a bunch of pissed of white people, which turned into deep resentment from the minority communities back and the only winner being the powerful who chose this decision. Enochs rivers of blood speech was torn up in the press and in popular media even though something crazy like 80-90% of people at the time fully supported it

>> No.18179495

>>18178184
Literal retard

>> No.18179503

>>18177912
Yes.

>> No.18179543

>>18179442
That's common thing anon. There was this morning TV programme where they invited Peter Hitchens and he was arguing alone against mass immigration while the Tory politician sided with labour fruits invited there. Now the thing is, Hitchens represented the majority opinion in Britain, but, if a 55 years old boomer watched it and felt he's right, he would think that maybe his opinion is in minority which is why nothing is done with it.
The point of the media theatre is to gaslight people into thinking their views are extreme and unacceptable even if they are in fact mainstream.

>> No.18179647

https://youtu.be/rjeJIlxj5OI

>> No.18179714

>>18174552
The Aeneid

>> No.18179717

>>18179543
Sounds like its time to watch/read some chomsky

I wish the dynamic of democratically led leaders vs leaders influencing the masses was more studied though.

>> No.18179786

>>18179385
People don't get what he was about. He loved the cultures of Europe, but didn't want them to be diluted. He opposed both mass immigration and the EU as a result of that, but people see his position and assume he must have been a racist.

>> No.18179860

>>18179786
This is a majority opinion.

>> No.18179887

>>18179717
There is nothing comparable to the speed and control of todays information, only in world war 2 intelligence espionage maybe

>> No.18179918

>>18174573
Came here to post this.

>> No.18180082

>>18179786
>He loved the cultures of Europe
the man spoke urdu or whatnot, he clearly loved all cultures, and wanted a home for everyone.

>> No.18180632

>>18180082
Oh yeah, I only focused on Europe because that guy was Portuguese. He actually said Indian mythology possibly impressed him more than that of Europe.

>> No.18181056

>>18174552
This video is kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEPtyb9OHP8

>> No.18181216

>>18181056
>can't make eye contact
>has ridiculous rambling misrepresenting what Powell is saying
What a faggot.

>> No.18181245

>>18179418
Nigel Farage is like a modern version but more retarded

>> No.18181246

>>18181056
My radar went off right away and I was right.
>Every
>Single
>Time

>> No.18181250

>>18181246
?

>> No.18181253

>>18175375

> “As I look ahead,” Powell said, “I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood,’” an allusion to a line in Virgil’s Aeneid.

Based classical allusion.

>> No.18181254

>>18181250
(((Jonathan Miller)))

>> No.18181258

>>18181254
damn, went straight past my head

>> No.18181265

>>18181056
The difference in posture is hilarious

>> No.18181269

>>18181258
Really? his very first question was classic pilpul

>> No.18181284
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You guys remember back in 74 when the Libertarians grew fond of Powell?

>> No.18181318

>>18174552
I have both Freedom and Reality, and Still To Decide by Enoch and his writing skills are profound

>> No.18181397
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18181397

Was he right?

>> No.18181689

>>18179442
Not only did they know how they would be treated, but they also promised them jobs they knew they would never get hired for. The whole point of bringing them over was to reduce the cost of unskilled labour, but they were advertising the trip as an opportunity for advancement. So accountants and nurses would come over and end up as bricklayers and cleaners.
>>18179717
>Sounds like its time to watch/read some chomsky
As far as I can tell "manufacture of consent" and "liberal elite" are the same thing, but depending which political side you align with you'll be told one of them doesn't exist. It would be good if we had a more neutral term for it, but anyone who comes up with one will tend to get associated with one side or the other. Moldbug's association with Neoreaction will put a lot of people off the term "Cathedral", for example.

>> No.18181723

>>18181397
No

>> No.18181816

>>18181284
He actually preempted the monetarist ideas that Friedman later brought to the fore, it makes a lot of sense that they liked him

>> No.18182280

bump

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>>18181246
lol

>> No.18182482

>>18181397
It's an interesting take, somewhat reminiscent of Gould's idea of separate magisteria. I suspect a lot of people miss a subtle implication in this scripture though. Jesus begins by asking whose face is on the coin, to which the answer of course is Ceasar. We are then told to give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to the Lord what belongs to the Lord. In the Jewish tradition man is said to be made in the image of God, thus His likeness is stamped upon us just as much as Caesar's is on the coin. Our thoughts, beliefs and actions can never belong to Caesar, as we already belong to the Lord. This is the spirit of passive resistance, not indifference.

>> No.18182502

>>18179418
David Myatt

>> No.18182986

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYy8ORPz1nE

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>>18176120
>>18177873
>>18177985
>>18178184
>>18179495
Fuck, I love this site!

>> No.18183651

>>18182986
Interesting

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>>18174721
Yes, as long as it's from the first half of the 20th century or earlier.

>> No.18183711

>>18183668
is this a recent photo? did he bounce back from his wife's death already?

>> No.18183736

>>18183711
Does it look like he bounced back? Just kidding, it's a screencap from a podcast thing he did. Also he made a new post on his substack - so kinda I guess?

>> No.18183800

>>18174721
libro e moschetto fascista perfetto