/lit/ - Literature

>>18149592
based

>>18149595
no but really. these fucking guys ate fuck all. and you knwo how alcoohol affects you when you do that. and then what? Plato says socrates wouldnt get drunk? Bull. SHit. its like they knew we would praise them in the future so they doubled down on hjow cool they can make themselves. Theres no fucking way socrates "Couldnt get drunk". am i wrong?

>>18149592
Constancy is important anon

>>18149668
what the fuck is that suppose to meanm

The same was said of Goethe, and that he conducted drinking parties like cavalry on the battlefield.
Drinking is a matter of character and fate, the strongest characters get drunk as the centaurs did, as a type of justice and warfare.

Read what Socrates and Plato said of drinking and it will make sense.

Mich ergreift, ich weiß nicht wie,
Himmlisches Behagen.
Will michs etwa gar hinauf
Zu den Sternen tragen?
Doch ich bleibe lieber hier,
Kann ich redlich sagen,
Beim Gesang und Glase Wein
Auf den Tisch zu schlagen.

>>18149775
Or in the Carmina Burana. So long as the toasts keep pace with the coins drunkenness remains at the limits of the law.
Decius only begins to strip the men of their clothes and fate where the drinkers forget the cupbearers.
The laws of Dionysus were the same.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4T8ile1uq-U

>>18149592
He was fat

>>18151045
you know what... not once in my drunken rage last night did I consider that.
maybe it really couldn't affect him... because they didn't understand that he was fat.

Greeks drank their wine with water. How the fuck are you meant to get drunk from that? Absolute fags lmao

>>18151970
they barely ate anything.
and they watered down their alcohol?
what the fuck were these guys on.

>>18152015
>"Greeks drank wine diluted with water and considered the practice of not mixing wine the mark of uncivilised people. They reveal an inclination for sweet wine and sweeten it with sea water and honey, and even adding perfumes and herbs."

>>18152061
jesus christ

>>18152015
They also mixed it with shrooms.

>>18152061
>a bottle of red wine would knock aristotle flat
in some ways I am greater than the ancients

>>18152104
and they say start with the Greeks

>>18152061
Forgot to quote the book title
>Tears of Bacchus: A History of Wine in the Middle East & Beyond

>>18152122
kek

>>18149775
>Goethe, and that he conducted drinking parties like cavalry on the battlefield.
Based.

>the Northerners are fiery and less good at concentration
>the Greeks are the perfect mix between North and South

>>18149592
He tricked them by always being drunk.

>>18152608
Sounds based.

>>18149592
Some people can maintain them composure when drunk. Also wasn’t he physically strong? That would have helped him not be a lightweight with regard to alcohol.

>>18149775
yes I remember, to never speak politics when drinking, or you will make a fool of yourself, I have long known the source of my stupidity.

>>18149775
Yes, I too am a drunk and genius.

>>18152074
That would make sense of Eleusis.

>>18152465
https://youtu.be/RSXcajQnasc?t=378

>>18155086
Lol.

>>18149592
It was just a dramatic element added by Plato. In the ancient Greek Symposion there were certain expectations between the guests and the hosts. The host (symposiarch) has control over the wine and was meant to dilute it with water as the night went on and according to the guests drunkeness. The guests (symposiasts) also had expectations about how to behave. One of the great virtues of ancient Greece (particularly Athens) was Sophrosyne, which means moderation/temperance/self-control. It was one of the most important marks of an adult in Greece. Symposions were events particularly focused around this virute. The expectations on the guests was to display sophrosyne through their ability to hold their composure throughout the night of drinking while engaging in the nightly activities. These activities are exactly like those portrayed in The Symposium: engaging in witty and intelligent discussions of philosophical topics, composing elegiac poetry (often spontaneously), all while getting blotto on the host's wine. The Athenians held rhetoric and speech in great esteem so demonstrating your sophrosyne through mastery of speech was very important.
From Athenaeus' Deipnosophistae
>[he] Deserves to be above his fellows lauded
>Who drinks and then says good and witty things,
>Such as his memory and taste suggests,—
>Who lays down rules, and tells fine tales of virtue;
>Not raking up the old Titanic fables,
>Wars of the Giants, or the Lapithæ,
>Figments of ancient times, mere pleasing trifles,
>Full of no solid good; but always speaking
>Things that may lead to right ideas of God
So the portrayal of Socrates as someone who couldn't get drunk was just a dramatic element of Plato's to show Socrates' great virtue (despite his claims to be untutored and lacking knowledge in virtue). He also shows Socrates as a guest of great eminence at the symposion by his position on the couch near the symposiarch, despite the presence of other great figures like Aristophanes. And Aristophanes' story would be considered passé at a symposion by way of its 'epic' elements, which was likely also deliberate given Plato's opinion of him. Socrates' excellent conduct also serves as a contrast to Alcibiades, who is the archetypal bad guest of a symposion. When he enters drunk with his arms draped around two flute girls, he is invoking the image of a satyr and maenad, which were symbols of Dionysus and the antithesis of the ideal guest. And his drunken speech is in no way witty or intelligent, but a chronicle of unreciprocated lust.

>>18152465
>that soijak Plato

>>18149681
fidelity

>>18151045
Dude ate bean soup and was practically a hobo. he wasn't fat

>>18155845
Wrong

>>18151970
t. Barbarian

>>18149681
Ask your doctor

>>18149592
drinking followed a feast so they ate

>>18156774
Socrates was said to be pot bellied and ugly.

>>18158130
Beer gut