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Yockey

>>18131979
ignore >>18131983 yockey was retarded
read history books, spengler gave you the method, its up to you to learn at last

>>18132172
Filtered

>>18131983
thanks
>>18132172
ok, any preferred authors you care to recommend?

>>18131983
Fpbp

>>18132220
not 72 but I highly recommend reading the works of Goethe. Princeton has a collected work series on him and Volume 12 has all his scientific and philosophical texts.

>>18131979
This
Also >>18131983

>>18132181
liking yockey is for the retards that only read spenglers wikipedia and believe in "cyclical history"

>>18132220
depends on what you want to read about, if you tell me i can recommend some good books

>>18132367
alright well I'm interested primarily in military history, at least that's what I've enjoyed so far. I started mostly with ancients but have recently gotten into the Napoleonic period and WWI

Nietzsche.

>>18131979
Toynbee

>>18132375
spengler himself mostly read wilamowitz and mommsen for the greeks and romans respectively, they still hold up.
for the french revolution, adalbert wahl has an excellent book, for napoleon, bainville has a good short book. i also recommend mahan's influence of sea power upon the french revolution and empire.

>>18132311
I don't know Goethe relates here but based

>>18132454
Goethe was an instrumental influence on Spengler, he even says so in The Decline of the West

>>18131979
read kojeve next
>>18132420
toynbee was a retard

This anon >>18132172 is correct. Read some good history books, start with something like Fernan Braudels "Civilization and Capitalism"

>>18132595
shut the fuck up Logo you are a nigger

>>18132604
he's right about kojeve

>>18132595
Cringe

>>18132597
>Good
>Br*udel
Pick one.

>>18132627
He’s really not.

Serious question

Why are people interested in being invested in a doomer philosophy?

Schopenhauer- Fourfold process

>>18131979
sex gifs

>>18132746
are you retarded?
>>18132822
based

sex gifs

>>18132595
chinlet

>>18132375
what ancients have you read anon

>>18133132

I don't understand this meme.

>>18132375
Military history? Spengler?

Easy.

OP, read this.
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Weapons%20Systems%20and%20Political%20Stability.pdf

This is Carroll Quigley. Influenced by Spengler, wrote another (great) book, not too long, titled The Evolution of Civilizations.
The book I just linked you is a thousand-page, THOUSAND page history on war with a special emphasis on weapons, how they were developed for and within war and how they were utilized for future wars. My nigga goes from the pre-historic period to classical civilization to now. If you are so ambitious, read this. Open it on your phone.

Standing in line to get your chipotle? Read this.
Procrastinating from school/work? Read this.
Taking a long shit? Read this.
In line at the post office and only one person is working the counter? Read this.
Lying in bed at night completely awake and want something to read (on your phone)? Read this.
Lying in bed in the morning completely awake and want something to read (on your phone)? Read.
Sitting in your car in the winter while waiting for your car to heat up?

Pull your motherfucking phone out and read this.

When you have read this, come back and we will discuss it.

>>18132434
>spengler himself mostly read wilamowitz and mommsen for the greeks and romans respectively, they still hold up.
how do you know this?

>>18134636
Isn't this guy just another schizo conspiratard who thinks the world is run by an international banking cartel. Also I flicked through a pdf of The Evolution of Civilizations and he's clearly not influenced by Spengler at all. He's trying to be "scientific" like Toynbee which Spengler dedicated an entire chapter of TDotW complaining about.

>It is by some such process as this, but much more elaborate and complex, that civilizations grow, thrive, and expand. Every civilization must be organized in such a way that it has invention, capital accumulation, and investment.
This sort of materialism gets you nowhere in a philosophy of history. it's the reason Toynbee is forgotten. It's essentially an exclusively economic analysis of history. I ctrl f'd Kant and Descartes, 0 mentions. No discussion of Mozart or Beethoven, nor Shakespeare or Goethe, or Renaissance painting or the Dutch masters, etc etc. This all inclusive approach was essential for Spengler and he did it so well that anything on the subject of civilization cycles written after him cannot even hope to compare to his depth.

>>18132220
Huntington is kind of of interesting, as is Toynbee. Guenon also fantastic.

Conservative Revolutionary
Yockey
Evola

>>18131983
Do people remember the thread where his grandson posted here? Can't find it in the archive

>>18131979
But he is white?

>>18134814
Discord
Asked him there

>>18134466
Herotodus and Thucydides obviously, most of Plutarch too and now I'm starting with Julius Caesar

>>18135591
who is this

>>18135668

Spengler.

>>18135475
>>18135159
>>18134636
This
>Gibbon, Rise & Fall of Rome

>>18135785
looks better without hair desu

>>18132172
>>18132181
>>18132220
Spengler was not a cyclical historian contrary to popular belief, Yockey was so his whole outlook is different.
Read Toynbee's stuff instead.

>>18134636
hello tarnseele

>>18134814
He cites those two the most often

>>18132375
Homer Lea

>>18135582
WHY DID WE NEVER QUESTION THE OBVIOUS

>>18131979
Eric Voegelin. I'm not sure I've ever seen him mentioned on here.

>>18134567
Oswald Spengler looks similar to that bald actor from Breaking Bad, who once accidentally tweeted "Sex gifs" when he meant to search for it

you know who

>In Russia, Spengler sees a young, undeveloped Culture laboring under the Faustian (Petrine) form. Peter the Great distorted the tsarism of Russia to the dynastic form of Western Europe. The burning of Moscow, as Napoleon was set to invade, he sees as a primitive expression of hatred toward the foreigner. This was soon followed by the entry of Alexander I into Paris, the Holy Alliance and the Concert of Europe. Here Russia was forced into an artificial history before its culture was ready or capable of understanding its burden. This would result in a hatred toward Europe, a hatred which Spengler argues poisoned the womb of emerging new Culture in Russia. While he does not name the Culture, he claims that Tolstoy is its past and Dostoyevsky is its future.
He predicted the Hyperborea-Atlantean war which has come and is to come

>>18131979
What should I read before Spengler?

>>18131979
Take the Wangenheim pill, read Kultur und Ingenium

>>18137559
wait, qrd?

>>18136790
he looks a lot more like aliester crowley

>>18131979
Who?

>>18131979
This guy looks like he's an ASAC Schrader, and I could go fuck myself.

>>18137559

Lmao

>>18132381
>Nietzsche

>>18134636
Awesome

>>18137559
I don't speak German but from the couple of english YT videos he posted I agree 100% what he's saying. It means modernity is sort of the same thing as the Crisis of the Late Middle Ages: an apocalyptic hatred of the entrenched culture and an extremist inversion of old values. Kind of puts the trannies and William of Ockham on the same wavelength. What is essentially happening is Western civilization is reinventing itself once again. I would kill for an English translation of this book.

>>18132454
This
>>18132571
I'm thirty pages into Decline and that's already evident. Nigga, we're in FAUSTIAN civilization, how the fuck isn't it readily apparent.

>>18134636
>>18134950

http://www.carrollquigley.net/book-reviews/Spengler_Abridgement_Helpful_to_Students.htm

Quigley at least saw merit in Spengler's perspectives on mature civilizations in crisis.

>>18131979
the Hour of Decision is his best work.
seethe more Decline shills

>>18137478
just familiarize yourself with Prussian shit because 90% of his work is sucking Prussian cocks

>>18140158
And the funny thing is you can even see this principle of Kultur und Ingenium already implicit in Spengler's civilization model. The transition from the early to the late period of Kultur for Spengler is marked by "interregnum", which in Western historiography is termed the Crisis of the Late Middle Ages, and in Egyptian historiography is called the First Intermediate Period, when the old order is torn down and there is a long period of lawlessness and barbarity, of nihilistic wars and materialism. It is only in this context that the Borgias make sense. Wangenheim points out that these so-called "interregnum" periods are when previously fluid cultural forms have crystalized into a cultural absolutism and the new generation feels smothered underneath it. This is the task for Western civilization today and why there is such a thing as the "clown world"; the West is currently stuck between the old order and a new one taking shape and doesn't know itself.

>>18135668
Richard Nixon

the blueprint.

>>18132220
For high IQ anons only.
If you can apply Spengler's historical teachings and views to the underlying teachings and views that Parkman presents in France and England in North America, you will come to realize truths about the processes and innerworkings of history that allow for impressive predictional power.

Read in-between the lines.

>>18131979
Carlyne

>>18132746
Because by believing in a doomsday scenario, they can justify their radicalism.

>>18131979
Spengler considered Tristan und Isolde the last great work of art. So read Wagner.

>>18132746
What doomed philosophy?

Bump.