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Is Mark Fisher correct in saying that today's students cannot and will not focus adequately even in elite positions? What he mentions is 2008 level and already bad. Even though especially on the internet it seems like almost nobody has a sufficient attention span, students seem to me like they sacrifice a lot of time for their careers and I don't think they have fried attention spans

>> No.18101823

meh the problem with atheism is that's it's jsut hedonism with a coat of self delsuion about humanism.
Those people have truned humanism into narcissism. So when you add this '''ethical'''part to hedonism, just get cognitive dissonance, privileging only women. Because only women can naturally handle neuroticism. That's right a vagina is a neurotic by birth and they are the only living creature with this feature. A man cannot be neurotic without being driven towards suicide.

Now the big picture problem with the secular democracy is that the fantasy of the hedonists is that hedonists will hug each other once all their desires are met.
This is why marxism is materialism, ie reducing everything to material conditions and money, and why they push for more and more cheap goods.

hedonists get acclimated to their current situation, but they need more and more pleasures and less and less hardship to feel happy, otherwise they get depressed.

This is why atheists (who are hedonists) confuse happiness with having free stuff, free goods and services.
According to marxists, people are happy only they have the material conditions for it.

Liberals define freedom and happiness with an opulence of goods, an orgy of sense pleasures and they call this progress.

Okay, but since hedonists need bigger and bigger breakthrough to ease their life, they get depressed when those breakthroughs do not happen, like it has been the case since the 80s.
They freak out when there is a recession and they whine that progress stagnates.

For 2 centuries atheists could hype their human rights has progress and the right side of history, because human rights is just giving people more and more of an easy life.
However it is never enough.

>> No.18101946

stop shilling this SHIT book
This isn't even a coherent criticism of capitalism, its a fucking blogpost rant

>> No.18101951
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>>18101804
I remember Fishers rants about students with earplugs in class - compulsively even if they didn't listen to anything at that point.
This comment always struck me as bitter, non-relating to younger people and antagonizing.

Similar to what you say. While Fisher gives an explanation or likely reasoning, he at the same time seems to antagonizing those "victims of capitalism" to their behaviour. This isn't a criticism of his analysis, but this bitterness calls his write into question for me, because of it.

>> No.18101957

>>18101823
Please, for the love of god, take your fucking meds

>> No.18101972

>>18101804

There is no hope for zoomers to be honest
All I'll say is I wouldn't want a zoomer to be my doctor

>> No.18101975

>>18101946
Based.
Fuck off accfag

>> No.18101999

>>18101951
Maybe they just didn't want to hear Mark Fisher drone on about pop culture and hecking capitalism lol

>> No.18102018

>>18101972
Zoomers are literally retarded.
The worst part is midwit retards just respond to the criticism of Zoomers culture and the retarded Zoomers with the platitude "older generations have always thought the newer generation was bad and complained about them". But this platitude only displays the fact that they are retarded and not able to understand nuance.
Nothing akin to the Internet and social media has ever existed before and these technologies fundamentally change how Zoomers organize themselves socially. Zoomed genuinely are fucked in a way that no generation has ever been before. They will never be able to accomplish anything let alone carry the torch of society and civilization.

>> No.18102026

>>18101804
sounds like he's a butthurt faggot jealous of little kids who can play fortnite while doing homework whereas he can barely write a coherent book

>> No.18102030

>>18102018
Nothing akin to the television has ever existed before and these technologies fundamentally change how Boomers organize themselves socially. Boomers genuinely are fucked in a way that no generation has ever been before. They will never be able to accomplish anything let alone carry the torch of society and civilization.

>> No.18102042

>>18102030
>Nothing akin to the automobile has ever existed before and these technologies fundamentally change how ??oomers organize themselves socially. ??oomers genuinely are fucked in a way that no generation has ever been before. They will never be able to accomplish anything let alone carry the torch of society and civilization.

>> No.18102059

>>18102026
Based

>> No.18102067

>>18101823
> Religious countries
> Third world hellholes
> Secular countries
> Advanced wealthy and healthy, the places where everyone in the former category wants to move to

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>>18102018
correct
>>18102030
correct
>>18102042
correct

>> No.18102301

>>18102266
Nothing akin to MKULTRA has ever existed before and these technologies fundamentally change how primitivists organize themselves socially. Primitivists genuinely are fucked in a way that no generation has ever been before. They will never be able to accomplish anything let alone put out the torch of society and civilization.

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>>18102301
KEK, based.

>> No.18103819

>>18101823
anon stop with the drugs

>> No.18103889

>>18101804
He's absolutely correct when he says that the socioeconomic conditions in the US have doomed the last few generations to blatant stupidity. They are incapable of creating great art.

>> No.18105473

>>18101972
>>18102018
It is incumbent upon Gen X and Millennials to help Zoomers escape the digital dreamworld. Millennials and Zoomers are both fucked and the best among them need to work together and make sacrifices to fix the damage done by the selfishness of the Boomers and the broken promises between generations. Someday the party is going to end, and someone has to take responsibility for the mess and clean it up, even if it wasn't their doing.

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Why mr moderators you are probably wonder why is this related to your hypercommunist subreddit? Well let me please explain. You see this image,this photo is showing a keked out meme of an edited facefag with a masculine chin. Why the chin you may ask and why the title you may ask? Well let me answer that latter down the line. But first why a facefag of all people? Why because he a gourgouis man of intellect who's quotes I have etched into my membrane and he is apart of the reading list on the left side of my (our) computer(s).now let's get to the meat and taters of the picture:what's with the Chin and the title? Well,well,well let's begin... The chin is supposed to represent the aristocrat, the chin of fine taste in music,philosophy and films.now the title,upon seeing such a chin you will now know that man hat great taste when you first glance on him

And now you know why I posted this meme, this SATEMENT to show everyone that the computer gangster communist of yesteryear is trying to stay relevant though the media and our elders and we must assassinated this cyber beast of the neo east

>> No.18105682

>>18105672
lmao, i dont understand why you meme this guy so much. he just posted a pic with a weird grin

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>>18105682

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>>18105682
I wonder

>> No.18105765

>>18105744
>>18105755
Holy kek

>> No.18105771

>>18105473
The first step towards accomplishing this is ditching the gay little generational labels the media has forced on us. The internet is everybody's problem.

>> No.18105785

>>18105765
Is it the same guy?

>> No.18105836

>>18101804
most students yes. the internet and social media have ruined minds.

>> No.18105844

>>18105785
Looks like him

>> No.18105918

>>18105765
hahahahahahaha
please be the same guy

>> No.18106438

>>18105765
Lmao accfag is a facefag.

>> No.18107126

>>18101823
The fuck are you on about?

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>>18101823
Don't listen to the hedonists, you're spot on.

>> No.18107414

>>18101946
Which is rightly the appeal. I'll always defend MFisher because he was a light in the dark for me with his Kpunk blogs

>> No.18107482

>>18101823
i agree bro don’t listen to the others

>> No.18107548

>>18101823
>meh the problem with atheism is that's it's jsut hedonism with a coat of self delsuion about humanism
Bhuddism exists. How do you explain that phenomenon?

>> No.18107624

>>18101823
>This is why atheists (who are hedonists) confuse happiness with having free stuff, free goods and services.
>According to marxists, people are happy only they have the material conditions for it.
Don’t talk about an ideology if you don’t understand it.

>> No.18107728

>>18107624
How is he wrong?

>> No.18107751

@18101823
Man, the Christian larpers on this board are so obnoxious.

>> No.18107766

>>18102018
I completely agree, as a (older) zoomer myself. How the fuck can we treat it? My attentions span was decent, but not great, before the pandemic. But now it's totally and completely shot after weeks of zoom meetings and online modules. I feel like someone took my brain out of my skull, shoved it in a blender with some eggs, then fed me the brain-egg smoothie. And now I'm just trying desperately to metabolise my blitzed brain juice back into my skull with some kind of coherence. ???????

>How can someone retrain their attention span?
Do you need to go off to the woods or something, with nothing but a couple of books and basic survival gear for half a year? Longer? Will sufficient distance from the addling brain-blender tech help heal my cognitive necrosis????? HELP!!!! fuck, lord, just something. Honestly I'll join the fucking military if it would get me back to a stable, focused internality.

>> No.18108153

>>18105765
Wtf

>> No.18108413

>>18105672
Lmao

>> No.18108442

>>18101823

This is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Olympic mental-gymnastic gold medalist

>> No.18108481

>>18107766
Dopamine fast
Cringe nonsense name for it but the principle is there

>> No.18108599

>>18107766
Force yourself to read 50 pages of a book without looking at your phone. No need for extreme measures.

>> No.18108638

How would Mark know he only ever taught at shit tier institutions for retards lol

>> No.18108767

>>18108638
Students are fairly similar across the board. Elite is mostly a marketing term. I'd even wager the students at average institutions are better adjusted than the neurotic kids at elite institutions.

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>>18105765
What does he read?

>> No.18108788

I’m a Zoomer and can focus fine.

>> No.18108796

>>18101823
Schizo thread

>> No.18108822

>>18108638
warwick isn't a bad uni by any means

>> No.18108978

>>18102030
Bro, I think you just proved the point you were trying to critque.

>> No.18108984

>>18102030
This is actually true

>> No.18109014

>>18101804
>attention span
There are two classes of people in the world
The rulers, and the sheep
If you cannot control yourself, and you do not know your place in the world, you piss yourself over reading a bloated blog post, and you turn to /lit/ so all your fellow losers can take their turn in the shitpost rant circlejerk
If you're know what you're doing, you wouldn't have to ask this silly question

>> No.18109023

>>18102030
Television is a hundred years old. The boomer years were the most easy to ever be alive.
Boomers are not fucked.
YOU live through the consequences of those years

>> No.18109025

>>18109014
my friend, you have posted cringe

>> No.18109029

>>18108599
>>18108481
thanks anons. Has anyone else had any experience re-building their attention span like this or with other methods ??

>> No.18109040

>>18102266
based

>> No.18109046

>>18105765
What is this?

>> No.18109067

>>18109029
quit social media and porn

>> No.18109081

>>18105755
would be interested inseeing Sandler take on Nick Land

>> No.18109109

>>18109067
>>18109014
>>18108481
cringe repressors

>> No.18109114

>>18109067
Actually It's mostly podcasts I think... don't use social media apart from 4chan and some stuff on Urbit. Certainly don't watch porn; I'm a good Kantian and have always found it seriously icky.

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>>18109046
Someone found out who the facefag is.

>> No.18109144

>>18109109
It isn’t repression of anything to prevent yourself from dopamine bombing and the self mutilation of your attention span.

>> No.18109594 [DELETED] 

>>18107548
I'm not him, but Buddhism is literally the refusal of both hedonism and pauperism.
It is a refusal of materialism, material condition doesn't matter beyond your body needs.
Besides many Buddhist are not atheist.

>>18102067
Yeah people abandon religion as soon as they have as much stuff as they want, that's the problem of capitalist materialist hedonistic society. That's exactly Buddhism is against

>> No.18109619 [DELETED] 

>>18107548
I'm not him, but Buddhism is literally the refusal of both hedonism and pauperism.
It is a refusal of materialism, material condition doesn't matter beyond your body needs.
Besides many Buddhist are not atheist.

>>18102067
Yeah people abandon religion as soon as they have as much stuff as they want, that's the problem of capitalist materialist hedonistic society. That's exactly what Buddhism is against. I'm not religious but I think that interior factors such as morality and kindness independent from the external world matter, but we forgot them as a society.

>> No.18109645

>>18107548
I'm not him, but Buddhism is literally the refusal of both hedonism and pauperism.
It is a refusal of materialism, material condition doesn't matter beyond your body needs.
Besides many Buddhists are not atheists.

>>18102067
Yeah people abandon religion as soon as they have as much stuff as they want, that's the problem of capitalist materialist hedonistic society. That's exactly what Buddhism is against. I'm not religious but I think that interior factors such as morality and kindness independent from the external world matter, but we forgot them as a society.

>> No.18109648

OMG I am technolizing in a society mmhhmm a

>> No.18110625

Very based thread.

>> No.18110659

>>18101804
>noooo, muh crapitalism bad!1!!
Nobody cares poorfag. If the students are shit the nonshit students will get higher wages to compensate for their rarity in the market.

>> No.18111545

Bump

>> No.18111594

None of this shit matters in comparison to the dysgenic effects of a century of state-sponsored indolence as a life-style.
We are all animals, and animals are fundamentally defined by their genetic information. Any conception of reality which does not adress this fact is lacking in the must important and fundamental manner.

>> No.18112626

>>18111594
>None of this shit matters in comparison to the dysgenic effects of a century of state-sponsored indolence as a life-style.
?

>> No.18112907

>>18105771
Yes, but there is one generation who has to live at least 50 years or so on this planet and who have already been hobbled from birth by the internet.

>> No.18112911

>>18111594
>none of this shit matters in comparison to capitalism